
Apparently, Monckton is a member of the House of Lords, according to constitutional lawyer in England.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, I’m just in it for the popcorn sales. That said, here’s the plot summary.
A lot of the alarmist side of blogosphere (especially John Cook at SkS and Tim Lambert at Deltoid) spent a lot of time trying to distract from the science presented during Lord Monckton’s summer tour in Australia. Of course, Monckton himself made some ugly distractions at the outset, with a poorly chosen comparison of Ross Garnaut.
That row aside, basically as the tour went on, they didn’t like the message, so they attacked the man.
Here’s how the peerage title tiff got started. Responding to some small outrage in the southern hemisphere, and some emails that came his way as a result, Dave Beamish, Clerk of the UK Parliaments, posted up a letter on the House of Lords’ official website telling Lord Monckton not to call himself a member of the House of Lords. Trouble is, Dave had gotten it wrong.
Hundreds, perhaps thousands of articles, commentaries and blog postings were aimed at Monckton, for having answered an Australian Broadcasting Corporation radio interviewer in August 2011 by saying he was a member of the House of Lords, “but without the right to sit or vote”.
This is sort of like being an “ex US senator”. They enjoy certain rights and privileges of the once held office, like getting to use the library and automobile parking in the senate, but they don’t get to vote of course. In England, these sorts of privileges get passed down hereditarily, such as in Monckton’s case. While “hereditary US Senator” probably wouldn’t fly in the USA, England and its Monarchy has its ways of tradition that don’t translate to such expectations in other countries.
Monckton, on returning from Australia from his tour this autumn, consulted Hugh O’Donoghue, a leading constitutional lawyer at Carmelite Chambers, overlooking the River Thames just a mile downstream from the Houses of Parliament. His question: “Am I or am I not a member of the House of Lords?”
O’Donoghue, who specializes in difficult human-rights cases and Peerage law, spent months carefully researching Monckton’s question. He says Lord Monckton “was and is correct at all points”. The conclusion of his 11-page opinion (see PDF at bottom of this article) , reviewing 1000 years of Peerage law, is clear on the issue:
“Lord Monckton’s statement that he is a member of the House of Lords, albeit without the right to sit or vote, is unobjectionable. His claim is not a false or misleading claim. It is legitimate, proportionate, and reasonable. Likewise, Lord Monckton was correct when he wrote to the US Congress that ‘Letters Patent granting Peerages, and consequently membership [of the House of Lords], are the personal gift of the Monarch. Only a specific law can annul a grant. The 1999 Act was a general law.’ He legitimately drew attention to a parliamentary answer by no less a personage than the Leader of the House, making it plain that the Act was a general law and not a particular law that might have had the effect of revoking Letters Patent. We now have the recent authority of the High Court, in the Mereworth case, for Lord Monckton’s assertion that the 1999 Act did not revoke or annul his Letters Patent. Unless and until such revocation takes place, Lord Monckton remains a member of the House of Lords, and he is fully entitled to say so.”
Lord Monckton has sent copies of the Opinion by registered mail to the Lord Speaker (Baroness d’Souza) and to the chairman of the Privileges Committee (Lord Brabazon of Tara). I have a copy too.
Monckton said:
“I am awaiting with interest the response of the soi-disant ‘authorities’ at the House of Lords to Mr. O’Donoghue’s definitive statement of the law as he sees it. At the very least, it is surely clear that I am entitled, in what is supposed to be a free society, to speak freely about my point of view.
“Dave Beamish has made a prize ass of himself. This criminous clerk has brought the already-tarnished House of Lords and the ancient office of clericus Parliamentorum into further disrepute. His position is now untenable. He must resign at once, or be fired by the House. I was embarrassed by having had to deflect journalists’ questions about whether Dave has been in league with climate-extremist lobby groups. I was not and am not in a position to answer those questions.
“I hope that, for the sake of sparing further harm to elderly and vulnerable family members who have been getting hate-mail as a result of Dave’s unprecedented and extraordinary abuse of his office, the House ‘authorities’ – if that is the right word – will have the common courtesy and good sense to take down his offending and offensive letter from Parliament’s website and replace it with an apology.”
To people outside of England, who don’t deal in formal titles of hereditary peerage, this might look like an overblown egotistic row . But in England, such things are considered very important and are a tradition of position that affects families and reputations going back centuries.
In short, Lord Monckton is not amused, less so at the boys down under than at the Clerk of Parliaments, Dave Beamish, in London. He adds in his letter:
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The Summary of Mr. O’Donoghue’s learned Opinion reads as follows:
“I am asked to consider whether The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley was correct when, in a recent radio interview in Australia, he answered the question ‘Are you a member of the House of Lords?’ by saying, ‘Yes, but without the right to sit or vote.’ My conclusion is that Lord Monckton’s answer was and is correct at all points. We have the authority of two Law Lords in the Privileges Committee that the meaning of the words ‘membership of the House’ in the Act is confined to the right to sit and vote. The implication is that in all other respects excluded Hereditary Peers remain members of the House. Also, the Letters Patent that created Peerages such as that of Monckton of Brenchley have not been revoked, and we have the recent authority both of the Leader of the House and of the High Court for that. Though the House of Lords Act 1999 purported to remove ‘membership of the House of Lords’ from excluded Hereditary Peers including Lord Monckton’s late father, its constitutionality is questionable. Peerages entail membership of the House. Lord Monckton is correct to state that he does not at present have the right to sit or vote, though if the 1999 Act is unconstitutional the excluded Hereditary Peers are unlawfully excluded. Therefore, Lord Monckton remains a Member not only of the Peerage but also of the House of Lords, save only that he cannot for now sit or vote there, and he was and is fully entitled to say so.”
The ancient common-law offense of wilful misfeasance in a public office gives the citizen the right of redress against a defalcating public official who might otherwise persist in his crime with impunity. In the present case, the rap-sheet might read as follows:
“You, Dave Beamish, Clerk of the Parliaments, of the House of Lords, London, SW1A 0PW, are charged with wilful misfeasance in a public office, contrary to common law, in that, on a date unknown in July or August 2011, in London, you did knowingly and without lawful excuse cause to be posted on the House of Lords’ official website a letter to The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley falsely stating that the said Viscount Monckton of Brenchley is not entitled to say that he is a member of the House of Lords, and that upon repeated request to desist you wilfully and harmfully persisted in the said misfeasance.”
Section 21 of the Data Protection Act 1998 creates the offense of unlawfully processing unregistered data. Here, the rap-sheet might read:
“You, Dave Beamish, Clerk of the Parliaments, of the House of Lords, London, SW1A 0PW, are charged with unlawfully processing unregistered data, contrary to Section 21, Data Protection Act 1998, in that, on a date unknown in July or August 2011, in London, you did knowingly, harmfully and without lawful excuse cause sensitive personal information about The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley to be published on the House of Lords’ official website.”
Article 8-1 of the European Human Rights Convention, enacted by the Human Rights Act 1998 in the UK, gives everyone “the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence” and states plainly that (except on grounds manifestly inapplicable here) “there shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right”.
Under Freedom of Information law the disclosure of the Clerk’s letter to Monckton is a misfeasance at least fourfold. The Act prohibits disclosure of the Clerk’s letter in that the disclosure is a breach of an enactment (the Human Rights Act); and a breach of a Community obligation (the EU has adopted the human rights convention); and the Act exempts disclosures of sensitive personal information (the Clerk could have given his opinion about excluded Hereditary Peers without mentioning Monckton by name); and exempts disclosures of confidential information (it was calculated to cause harm). Breaches of the Human Rights Act and of the FOIA do not give rise to offenses, but are actionable in damages, as is libel. A complaint has gone to the UK’s Information Commissioner. Furthermore, as Hugh O’Donoghue’s Opinion says: “Lord Monckton may legitimately raise not only the matter but also the manner of the conduct of officials of the House with the Privileges Committee.”
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Lord Monckton is quite skilled in oratory skewering. Thus, I had to look up “defalcating”. It has roots in the bankruptcy code. I think he’s implying Mr. Beamish was/is morally bankrupt.
In short, don’t mock the Monck for his title. Here’s the PDF of the legal opinion:
O’Donoghue-lords-opinion (PDF 335k)
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How ingenuous of you. The whole point of this discussion is the fact that, instead of responding to the substance of his arguments, Monckton’s critics prefer to attack him personally on whatever grounds, including his heritage and even his appearance. I have no doubt that this issue is the last thing he wants to discuss. Perhaps you could get things back on course by disputing some his scienfic arguments. I’m sure he’d be delighted to respond.
artwest says:
November 20, 2011 at 4:54 pm
You mean humility from hereditary types like say the Artist Currently Known as Prince? Humility? Or the notoriously humble Queen?
I love watching UK folks tie themselves in knots regarding their love/hate for the aristos … priceless.
w.
Willis:
So you don’t think it’s even funnier that we in America indulge our faux aristo-Camelot fantasies? Have you ever been to pseudo-America Keenedy-land in Martha’s Vineyard?
At least the UK aristos have an historical past to base their claims on. We had twice as many TV viewers of the recent British wedding than the whole rest of the world combined.
Go figure…
Christopher Monckton’s, excellent skewering of the befuddled and bemused clerk Dave Beamish; it would have been a sight to behold the look upon Dave Beamish’s drained defacing as he read the legal opinion and realized the full grasp of his mounting doom with Lord Monckton’s eloquent rise from the ashes beaming back into the House of Lords, albeit without the right to vote or sit (yet).
[;)]
R. Shearer says:
November 20, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Poor Jack Greer, all he can do is mock, call one names and in the face of evidence contrary to his beliefs claim BS.
Yes I agree; “in small minds the fish of little thoughts cause great comotion.”
Jack Greer says
“They are so predictable and of the same style and tenor used in his GW arguments … pure, and widely recognized as, unadulterated BS. What’s important is that he’s been exposed for what he is. A title doesn’t fix that.”
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Well, Mr. Greer, would you care to elaborate on this, as in, ” be specific”? I’m sure Lord Monckton would be happy to debate with you.
And I think WUWT reader’s would love the exchange, because the last smackdown Monckton gave was brilliant.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/09/18/monckton-answers-a-troll/
For my 15 minutes of fame, I was with Lord Monckton in Australia on at least one of the occasions where he made his claim expressed above. Afterwards, we chatted about this and that, then I mentioned his fancy neck tie, which contained the chemical elements of the Periodic Table. Now Lord Monckton does not claim to be a chemist (whereas I majored in Chemistry); so when I asked him if the tie was related to the Tom Lehrer song “The Elements” (1959) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYW50F42ss8
I was very impresed when he rattled through it without even a pause. There are over 100 elements in the song. This is a formidable feat, a formidable memory. The Lord not a person with whom to disagree lightly. I readily concede that his genius IQ exceeds my genius IQ.
@artwest: thank you so much. That there is an entire thread discussing this, rather than the scientific claims of the man, is absurd. And it’s funny how the people with hangups accuse you of having a hangup for not being hung up on this nonsense.
Why would any sane person debate Monckton, or anyone else that had absolutely every one of the salient facts on their side? One needs suicidal or, at minimum, self-debasing tendencies to monkey with the Monckster.
Jack Greer says:
November 20, 2011 at 7:44 pm
You’re right–everybody is taking your response in jest (at best).
Do you have any references or sources that support your accuasation that “none of the voting members want anything to do with Christopher” or are you just dreaming that up because you’re in league with the “climsci” that Monckton eats for breakfast (and lunch, and dinner) in debates?
Funny, you’re right about what Monckton said about never having the right to vote, but what’s really strange is that you’d equate this to the “tenor used in his GW argument” which he has never lost with any opponent, by the way, so if you equate that to “BS” then you don’t understand your own analogy or have a different meaning for “BS” than most peope have).
Again, you’re right–Monckton has been exposed for exactly what he is–the most effective force there is against all the lies and deception the CAGW forces perpetrate on an unsuspecting and trusting citizenry. But again, the old paradigm is changing–due partly to how effective Lord Monckton (sorry, but the title stays) is in debating what he sees as one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated on mankind, and partly because posts like yours are just as transparently fraudulent and fun to refute. Belittling Monckton simply provides me with a great forum to say:
“Truth, contrary to your goals, fixes far more than you want it to, title or no title.”
Marcus McSpartacus says:
November 20, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Oh, please… enlighten us. Otherwise, you are just as bad as Jack Greer in his drivel.
You do realize this is just a refutation of those “climsci” who have nothing of substance to discuss with Lord Monckton and so they settle on the gutter snipe approach just like you. (In other words, Lord Monckton is stating the truth whereas his detractors are not. So is the truth of no value to you, whatever the level? Or are you just tired of Lord Monckton beating your side of the debates?)
Sooooo,
Lord Monckton may not sit, but he is confirmed a Lord in good ‘standing’!
};>)
Go the Monck, absolutely spiflicated Beamish.
“To people outside of England, who don’t deal in formal titles of hereditary peerage, this might look like an overblown egotistic row.”
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Oh, it looks much worse than that. Those of us of “common” stock can only look forward to the day that placing such a title as “Lord” before your name will give one such pretense of puffery that you’ll be rightfully laughed at and quietly dismissed as a relic of a thankfully by-gone era.
This is as good an occasion as any for Larry’s stoopid question of the day. Aside from Clarendon, about which I did not know before today, I wasn’t aware that England had a constitution.
Yet I’ve read terms like constitutional and unconstitutional in this thread. Does Clarendon plus the later Magna Carta count as the whole constitution? What’s up with that?
Moral bankruptcy is a widespread phenomenon but, alas, not a legal concept.
@Geoff Sherrington
My brother always used to ask before a performance if there were any Tom Lehrer fans in the audience. There was always one. He would say, “There is always at least one of you sickos out there!” Then he would perform a selection of one or two of Tom’s masterful ditties. He could also perform ‘The Elements’. I never mastered that one but used the approach (and tune) to fit more than 120 countries into a UN Day song. We were raised playing the first 10″ LP (“An Evening Wasted with Tom Lehrer”) and went on to learn all of them through “The Vatican Rag” on “1965 – That was the Year That Was”.
His musical support on the latter album for Vatican II was probably the closest he got to mentioning royalty. He was, of course, also a skilled mathematician so he would be on Lord Monckton’s side and singing from the same hymn book.
My mother’s preference naming politicos was one of the sings from the Mikado:
“I’ve got a little list.
I’ve got a little list.
And there’s none of them’d be missed,
There’s none…of…them’d…be…missed!”
Still seems appropriate.
England has a constitution. It is just we never got round to writing it all down on one bit of paper. Ours is a rat-bag collection of laws, conventions and judgements. Unfortunately by not collating it we are open to “slippage” in it with our political masters making it up as they go along. But fortunately by not collating it we have a flexibility to ensure the system lasts and an absence of an abundance of constitutional lawyers.
bubbagyro says:
November 20, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Have you taken up telepathy? How would you know what I “don’t think”?
We’re a nation of anglophiles. We also have seven times as many TVs as the UK …
w.
‘This is as good an occasion as any for Larry’s stoopid question of the day. Aside from Clarendon, about which I did not know before today, I wasn’t aware that England had a constitution.’
The UK has a constitution – what it doesn’t have is a single, independent document called “the constitution” (or something similar). Instead there are multiple laws that deal with constitutional matters (the make up of parliament, laws of sucession, the powers of the monarch etc).
Arguably your actual statement is correct that ENGLAND doesn’t have a constitution, in so far as that particular nation doesn’t have the same legal existances as Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland – but that is a whole other constitutional argument.
As for Monckton he is manifestly a peer and he manifestly does not have a seat in the House of Lords. If he somehow manages to find a legal case for asserting that he is a member of the House of Lords who just happens not to have any of the rights or privileges or status that comes with being a member of the House of Lords then his previous assertions are merely deeply misleading rather than technically false.
Remember that Monckton is also a long-time Eurosceptic, another sinister supranational plan foisted by unelected technocrats on an unwilling population, which is also beginning to unravel.
NyqOnly says:
November 20, 2011 at 11:03 pm
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Don’t be a sour puss. Your ramblings Crass (what ever that means) and just far off topic and boring.
Public castigation is the least that Beamish deserves.
Lord Monckton deserves not just an apology, but compensation out of Beamish’s personal resources for the unlawful attempt to deny Lord Monckton the rightful use of his title and claim to entitlements accorded the Lord.
It looks an unlawful attempt at deprivation of the rights of an individual.
Peerage, etc. is irrelevant from that perspective.
NyqOnly says:
November 20, 2011 at 11:03 pm
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Don’t be a sour puss. Your ramblings are Crass (what ever that means) and just far off topic and boring.