"Without energy, life is brutal and short"

Yesterday I had the honor of co-presenting a seminar with Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama, Huntsville, when he visited Chico State University. He had relatives to visit in town but had asked to be able to make a rebuttal presentation is response to Dr. Ben Santer’s presentation a couple of weeks ago which I had attended and written about here.

Dr. James Pushnik, moderator for the Santer event at CSUC, graciously allowed Dr. Christy and myself to make a rebuttal presentation yesterday and I thank him sincerely for the opportunity. Dr. Christy ended his essay with the title of this post saying “Don’t demonize energy, because without energy, life is brutal and short”. Dr. Christy writes this from his firsthand experiences in Africa, where he watched the native people just trying to survive and where wood carried for miles was the energy source for their society. I thought those were good words to consider, especially since we have activist maniacs like weepy Bill McKibben out to demonize energy on a daily basis. McKibben and his followers, not possessing the intelligence to fully understand what they are doing, think “they won“.

Bottom line: that tar sands oil is going to be burned somewhere, in other countries willing to buy it. Stopping a pipeline has no effect on Canada’s export of the oil, only on American jobs, but McKibben and his 350.org is cluelessly ecstatic over this. I like how he’s brainwashed these poor souls into thinking they have to cut back.

Along the same lines and coincidentally about the same time as all this was happening, I was asked by WUWT reader Paul Homewood if I’d be interested in carrying this essay from his blog “Not a lot of people know that” about how difficult life was during the time of the little ice age.

Today, I’m thankful for two things: 1) Our freedom, secured by veterans we honor today and 2) Our wonderful energy infrastructure, without which, I couldn’t bring you this essay and Bill McKibben would be chopping wood in Vermont just to keep warm.

Here’s Paul’s essay on life in the Little Ice Age in England:

image_thumb1In Part I we started to review the book “The Little Ice Age” by Brian Fagan, a Professor of Archaeology. If you have missed it, you can catch up with Part I here.

Everything that follows is based on the book.

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Storms and Floods

imageDrawing by Hans Moser in 1570 of Scheldt flood

It was not only the cold that was a problem during the Little Ice Age.Throughout Europe, the years 1560-1600 were cooler and stormier, with late wine harvests and considerably stronger winds than those of the 20th Century. Storm activity increased by 85% in the second half of the 16th Century and the incidence of severe storms rose by 400%.

Perhaps the most infamous of these storms was the All Saints Flood in November 1570, which worked its way northeast up the North Sea.The storm brought enormous sea surges ashore in the Low Countries, flooding most of Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Dordrecht and other cities and drowning at least 100,000 people. In the River Ems further north in Germany, sea levels rose an incredible four and a half meters above normal.

In 1607 another storm caused even greater floods in the Bristol Channel with flood waters rising 8 meters above sea level miles inland.

Later in the 17th Century, great storms blew millions of tonnes of formerly stable dunes across the Brecklands of Norfolk and Suffolk, burying valuable farm land under meters of sand. This area has never recovered and is heathland. A similar event occurred in Scotland in 1694. The 1400 hectare Culbin Estate had been a prosperous farm complex next to the Moray Firth until it was hit by another huge storm which blew so much sand over it that the farm buildings themselves disappeared. A rich estate had become a desert overnight and the owner, the local Laird, died pauper three years later.

The Great Storm of 1703  is recognized as the most powerful storm ever recorded in England and caused immense damage there as well as across the North Sea in Holland and Denmark.

 Cold, Snow and Ice

imageBetween 1680 and 1730, the coldest cycle of the Little Ice Age, temperatures plummeted and the growing season in England was about five weeks shorter than now. The winter of 1683/4 was so cold that the ground froze to a depth of more than a meter in parts of south west England and belts of ice appeared off the  Channel coast of England and northern France. The ice lay up to 30 miles offshore along the Dutch coast and many harbours were so choked with ice that shipping halted throughout the North Sea.

Another exceptional winter was that of 1708/9. Deep snow fell in England and lasted for weeks while further East people walked from Denmark to Sweden on the ice as shipping was again halted in the North Sea. Hard frosts killed thousands of trees in France, where Provence lost most of its orange trees and vineyards were abandoned in northern France, not to be recultivated until the 20th Century. In 1716 the Thames froze so deep that a spring tide raised the ice fair on the river by 4 meters! The summer of 1725 in London was the coldest in the known temperature record and described as “more like winter than summer”.

After a warm interlude after 1730, when eight winters were as mild as the 20th Century, the cold returned. The temperature of the early 1740’s was the lowest in the Central England Temperature record for the entire period from 1659. Even in France thousands died of the cold and when the thaw came “great floods did prodigious mischief”.

Although temperatures started to gradually increase in the mid 19th Century, another cold snap in 1879 brought weather that rivalled the 1690’s. After a below freezing winter, England experienced a cold spring and one of the wettest and coldest summers on record. In some parts of East Anglia, the harvest was still being brought in after Christmas. The late 1870’s were equally cold in China and India , where up to 18 million died from famines caused by cold, drought and monsoon failure.

The cold snap persisted into the 1880’s and 1890’s when large ice floes formed on the Thames.

Fishing and Sea Conditions

 During the 17th Century conditions around Iceland became exceptionally severe. Sea ice often blocked the Denmark Strait throughout the summer. In 1695, ice surrounded the entire coast of Iceland for much of the year, halting all ship traffic. The inshore cod fishery failed completely, partly because the fish may have moved offshore into slightly warmer water. On several occasions between 1695 and 1728, inhabitants of the Orkney Islands were startled to see an Inuit in his kayak paddling off their coasts. These solitary hunters must have spent weeks marooned on large ice floes. As late as 1756, sea ice surrounded much of Iceland for as many as thirty weeks a year.

The cod fishery off the Faeroe Islands failed completely as the sea surface temperature became 5C cooler than today, while enormous herring shoals deserted Norwegian waters for warmer seas further south.

Famine

imageAs climatic conditions deteriorated, a lethal mix of misfortunes descended on a growing European population. Crops failed and cattle perished by diseases caused by abnormal weather. Famine followed famine bringing epidemics in their train, bread riots and general disorder. Witchcraft accusations soared, as people accused their neighbours of fabricating bad weather.

Farming was just as difficult  in the fledgling European colonies of North America where there were several severe drought cycles between 1560 and 1612 along the Carolina and Virginia coasts.

From 1687 to 1692, cold winters and cool summers led to a series of bad harvests. Alpine villagers lived on bread made from ground nutshells, whilst in France, wine harvests were delayed till as late as November. Widespread blight damaged many crops, bringing one of the worst famines in Europe since 1315. Finland lost perhaps as much as a third of its population to famine and disease in 1696-7.

Things did not improve. 1739 brought more problems, ruining grain and wine harvests over much of western Europe, while winter grain yields were well down because the ground was too hard to plough for weeks.

By 1815, Europe was struggling with yet another cold spell, when the Tambora eruption made matters a whole lot worse. The following year was described as “ The year without a summer”. In France the grain harvest was half its normal level and  southern Germany suffered a complete harvest failure. In Switzerland grain and potato prices tripled, and 30000 were breadless, without work and resorted to eating “sorrel,moss and cats”.

Inevitably such suffering brought with it social unrest, pillaging, rioting and criminal violence. The famine encouraged many to emigrate to America, although in Saint John’s, Newfoundland, 900 were sent back to Europe because there was so little food in town.

The crisis of 1816/7 was the last truly extensive food dearth in the Western world and its effects ranged from the Ottoman Empire, to parts of North Africa, large areas of Switzerland and Italy, western Europe and even New England and Canada. Other parts of the world were also badly affected such as China. Death tolls are hard to calculate but 65000 may have perished in Ireland, while in Switzerland the death rate could have doubled. The death toll would have been much worse in England and France but for the availability of and ability to efficiently distribute reserve stocks of food.

For anyone who wishes to explore this period further, Brian Fagan’s book is available here.

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jack morrow

It can Happen again.

John in NZ

I think it was Thomans Hobbs in his “Leviathan” who described life in a State of Nature as nasty, brutish and short.

A long time ago when my daughter was taking Karate lessons, I’d drop her off and go to the Concord NH library. I came across this book and read nearly the whole thing before lessons ended. So I bought a copy from Amazon and so I could keep it after finishing it.
Highly recommended, though Fagan was/is/may still be a bit of a warmist. However, he’s more interested in sharing the history than climbing on any bandwagons.
The book also has a good chapter on the history of the vikings on Greenland and of the inexorable cooling that ended the centuries-old colony.
One striking thing is how precisely Fagan dates some climate shifts. If people wait for a full 30 year “climate period” before declaring a catastrophe, there may be no one left to cover it. Sudden shifts are not just for the Greenland interior!
I haven’t read Fagan’s later books – comments and comparisons would be appreciated.

Ah shucks, I would’ve gladly driven down to Chico to hear Christy.

Outstanding! Paul, even though you’re an import, I’ll proudly call you a homey! 🙂 Of course, it should be stated, this life described above is what the climate disruption whackjobs desire for the population of this planet.
Anthony, I share in your gratitude, and offer a “your welcome.” 🙂

Hugh Pepper

Anthony, I think you need to temper your language with regards people who have different views than you. There is no point in demonizing Bill McKibbon or anyone else for that matter. McKibbon is not against “energy” as you contend. He is against the extraordinarily dirty (in terms of carbon content”) oil which derives from the Alberta tar sands. From his point of view, burning this fuel would produce far too much CO2 and would jeopardize our collective need to survive. YOu can disagree with him without be so nasty.
Incidentally, however, I don’t think he is against “energy”, nor do I think he would want to go back to wood chopping in his beloved Vermont forest. He is an advocate of developing alternative energy sources and weaning off of the carbon-based fuels which create the warming conditions that threaten all life.

PaulH

There are plenty of markets for Canadian oil. If the Americans don’t want it, they can freeze in the dark.

hell_is_like_newark

Read that book a few years ago. I highly recommend it for anyone with an interest in climate and history.

Curiousgeorge

It is a certainty that there will be a repeat of this or worse sometime in the near future (100 years? ). People today have no concept of the kind of hardship this would bring to them personally. Great nations would fall, religions and cultures would be radically altered. Billions would die.

Kevin Kilty

So, the historical record is that colder climate brings more severe storms to temperate regions, I’ll bet warmer climate might (might not) bring on more severe tropical weather. Over all, I can imagine that warmer is better–I’ve lived in the temperate regions most of my life.

In the early morning of January 30 1658 the whole swedish army under king Charles X Gustav marched over the ice from Jutland to Funen island in order to make Denmark to surrender. They fought their way across the island and from February 6 to 12 they also crossed the ice unto Zealand with the danish capital Copenhagen. Up to 10 000 men and horses crossed the ice in those days.
More can be read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_across_the_Belts
/Carl

tokyoboy

Anyone in the know could you teach me how many research papers have so far discussed positively on the existence of LIA?
And in addition, on the existence of MWP?
Thanks in advance.

Dave

Anthony and Dr Christy.
Of late I have become proud to be Canadian, Why? Because the Looney left are loosing the grip on the future of Canada. I am a Skeptic and a supporter of the Oil Sands. I am only mildly disappointed that the Pipeline didn’t go ahead thanks to Obama.
The good news is:
Now what will happen in Alberta and western Canada is the large oil refineries will now build the Crude oil processing plants here in Canada, it was always plan B in the event of no pipeline! What it means is the properties leases that they have been holding will now be built on by Oil Company’s produce 100s of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars for the Canadian economy. The processed oil will still be trucked and shipped by rail to the USA. The good news is we will require a 100 000 + skilled workers and mechanical equipment for the processing plants plus trucks and trains from all over especially the US. Warren Buffet and the smart money men knew this and has been hedging their bets with North / South railroad purchases and rights. There’s a ton of money to be made with or without the pipeline just more of it will stay in Canada thanks to Mr shoot your self in the foot Obama!

MarkB

African ‘natives?’ With bones in their noses? Are Europeans ‘natives?’ Canadians? Japanese?
Africans are Nigerians and Kenyans or Liberians. Not natives. This isn’t a Tarzan movie.

Bill Illis

Let’s spend one winter without fossils fuels.
No truck transport, no car transport, no natural gas heating, no coal-produced electricity. Exactly how many millions of people would die in the first month.
Besides not enough local food to feed all these people in the winter, how many trees do you think would have to be cut down for fire-wood (which would still release CO2 anyway). All the trees within 20 miles of the cities would be gone in the first few weeks. All other forests within horse-drawn range would be gone in the next few weeks. Are there even enough horses left to make a dent in the needs.
We could use wind or solar instead they say. You mean in the winter when there is much less wind and much less sunshine? There wouldn’t be enough energy for even one lightbulb per person.
We would all have to move back to tropics to stop using fossil fuels.
And then there would still not be enough food and enough forests to cook the lack of food. What would our clothes be made from. Without fossils fuels, the world population would go back to 10 million in less than a decade. The numbers of animals killed in the scenario would be uncountable. That would a fun old green time, wouldn’t it.

harrywr2

stopping a pipeline has no effect on Canada’s export of the oil, only on Amercian jobs
Actually it doesn’t do much of anything at all. A single train with tanker cars can carry 70,000 barrels of oil. The keystone XL pipeline was going to carry 510,000 barrels of oil, or about 7-8 trainloads.
The oil will still come…but by rail instead of pipeline. The trains will emit more Co2 then the pipeline will. Instead or jobs on the pipeline people will get jobs with the railroad.
Platts(Good source for energy industry news) had an article a few months ago about shipping oil by rail…costs maybe $2-$3 per barrel more then by pipeline
http://www.platts.com/weblog/oilblog/2011/07/28/rail_makes.html
An extra $2/barrel adds 5 cents/gallon at the pump.
If Mc Kibben thinks that stopping the pipeline is a ‘victory’ for his cause I’m not sure what he would consider a defeat.

Doug Proctor

With regard to the tar sands you connect:
I’d like to have been in Washington and captured a microphone to thank the protesters on behalf of Western Canadians. If the pipeline to the US is stopped, the Canadian version will be built. More pipeline construction dollars to Canada, less pipeline construction fees as write-offs. China or Japan, now being purchasers of note, will bring price competitiveness into the Canadian condition, now a US monopoly. Forecast: higher prices for oil to the US as China asks for more. Also, since the pipeline to China will limit production, if Canadians build more refining, the refined product can be shipped via existing pipelines as conventional supplies decline. More volume, higher price … to Americans.
American protesters are lucky they are middle-class or upper class celebrities. They will be able to afford the higher energy costs (while focusing their anger on China and India for “destroying the world” once American neighbours take their business elsewhere). This is such a win-win situation, as long as you like more CO2 in the air and less Americans working.

Ray

When we go back to some sort of little or big ice age, the AGW believers will be the first one to beg for heat and food… good thing there are plenty of coal that will help humanity pull through.

Brian H

Mark S;
de facto, yes. Because they moan on about warming (which has only ever caused booms in human and all other species) and excoriate CO2 production, which is the main resource which “broke the back” of break-back labour as the engine of the economy.

ice eater

The choice is where will the gulf coast refineries get this type of oil (they need heavy oil) contracts with venezula end and Saudi Arabia has new supply. On vetrans day president o says let’s buy 1,500,000,000$ per year from Saudi in stead of Canada . That way we can keep several carrier groups busy. The Saudi project is the nambia project

stevo

“…activist maniacs like weepy Bill McKibben…”
Your ad hominem attacks are desperately immature. Talking of “not possessing the intelligence to fully understand”, I think if you try very hard you might realise that “demonizing energy” is not even remotely the aim of anyone who you are talking about.

Cathy

Cannot recommend more highly – for giving one an appreciation for the ‘beneficial effects’ of a warm climate – the History Channel’s “How the Earth Was Made”.
From their blurb:
” Its 4.5 billion year epic, a story of unimaginable timescales, earth-shattering forces, incredible life forms, radical climates and mass extinctions. Discover how the continents were formed, canyons were carved, and why the world’s animals live where they do.”
I was amazed that when the topic of global warming finally reared its head – that the narrator remarked that the next ice age will not be dissuaded and we will inevitably be under ice sheets – yet again.

This Albertan is not so secretly glad that McKibben and 350.org have ‘won’. It basically means that we don’t have to worry about something untoward occurring to the Keystone pipeline…and the flow of ‘dirty tar’ will simply go elsewhere anyway. I don’t mean to wish energy hardship on our good neighbours to the south, but if the pipeline gets built under circumstances of possible eco-terrorism, I’d sooner not see it built. McKibben et al’s fantasy that they are punishing Canada for oil sands development is just that: a fantasy.

Mark ro

“McKibben and his followers, not possessing the intelligence to fully understand what they are doing, think “they won“. Bottom line: that tar sands oil is going to be burned somewhere, in other countries willing to buy it. Stopping a pipeline has no effect on Canada’s export of the oil, only on Amercian jobs, but McKibben and his 350.org is cluelessly ecstatic over this.”
The current administration punts the ball in a fourth and twenty scenario….this act is about the 2012 election. The unions have no where else to go. The greens are a less stable base, one sorely needed for reelection .
20,000 jobs is just the beginning of the equation, Some Nebraska Mcdonald’s employees are earning $15.00 an hour. A livable wage.
Imo this is a brutal slap to the face of one of our greatest allies. One who welcomes us freely to their beautiful lands. In the meantime we will continue to fund people who hate us to their very core…..WTF?/ end rant

Buzz B

Really Mr. Watts? McKibbon “lacks the intelligence” to understand what he’s doing?! And we poor souls interested in his views are “brainwashed”? I try hard to read both sides of the climate equation (since I teach both sides of the equation), but that over-the-top rhetoric just causes me to tune out.

Spector

The people promoting the use of thorium-cycle nuclear power (primarily Kirk Sorensen) have been pointing this out. The *second* six minutes of the 2 hr You Tube video entitled “LFTR in 5 Minutes – THORIUM REMIX 2011,” Sorensen tells various Green Earth people how impractical and environmentally disruptive wind and solar power would be as a primary power source. “Thin gruel of a diet of energy.” The overall video is a 2 hr compendium of earlier videos with a five-minute lead-in summary. I have posted that video with one other here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/27/peak-oil-now-for-the-downslope/#comment-791093
I am not qualified to say if this is a viable project or just another way for governments to waste money; the concept, however, does sound very interesting and potentially practical, primarily because of the great abundance of thorium and the fact that the proposed process supposedly consumes almost all of its dangerous transuranic nuclear waste.

MarkB says:
“African ‘natives?’ With bones in their noses? Are Europeans ‘natives?’ Canadians? Japanese?”
I agree wholeheartedly. Africans use up-to-date technology, and they don’t have bones in their noses.

Logan in AZ

Tokyoboy — The Idso group has made a special effort in regard to the MWP.
http://www.co2science.org/data/mwp/description.php

Michael Palmer

Devastating floods have occurred along the North Sea coast throughout recorded history, with thousands or tens of thousands dead about once or twice a century. There is no notable correlation with MWP or LIA that I’m aware of.
Along the German North Sea cost, the highest flood levels ever recorded occurred in 1976 (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmflut — page in German, but see table at bottom of page). Number of people killed: 0 (the storm killed several dozen people in-land but none due to flooding). The coastline fortifications that run continuously from the Netherlands to Denmark are excellent – a great example of proper adaptation to the variations of climate, so much so that big floods hardly make the news nowadays. These Euro-socialists know what they are doing – at least occasionally. If the US government were half as well-run as these countries, Katrina would have caused a lot less damage.

rbateman

Bill Illis says:
November 11, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Let’s spend one winter without fossils fuels…..
All the trees within 20 miles of the cities would be gone in the first few weeks. All other forests within horse-drawn range would be gone in the next few weeks.

Which is exaclty how the literature describes the cold periods that many perished in.
The crops failed, the woods were stripped, and then came the famine and intense cold followed by plagues. Transportation ground to a halt in the deep snows and ice. Life wasn’t much better in the previously warmer climes, like Italy and Greece, where they perished from starvation, thirst and disease.

pat

Of course Warmists have amply demonstrated that they don’t themselves intend to do with less. That is for others with less intellectual capacity. You see it will be necessary for the elite to maintain a degree of autonomy from the masses in order to implement plans fully. There may be a bit of discomfort, but sometimes corrective action requires a firm hand.

Mark ro

Smokey says:
November 11, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Man that is just wrong on so many levels. That and I wasted precious beer, through my nose.

rbateman

tokyoboy says:
November 11, 2011 at 3:48 pm
There is but little need for research papers on how bad things got in colder times, or how good they were in warmer times. None is needed. History isn’t science, it’s what people wrote about in the times they lived in. All you have to do is read it.

My experience is that folks who have negative views about the oil sands are utterly uninformed about the oil sands.
The Norwegians fly in folks to their oil sands operation so they can actually learn the truth.
http://www.financialpost.com/news/Seeing+smelling+sands+believing/5672427/story.html
Alberta’s oil sands account for less than one tenth of one per cent of global GHG emissions. So much for the lie of them being “extraordinarily dirty”.
http://www.oilsands.alberta.ca/
This link includes a video on the reclamation work.
http://www.oilsands.alberta.ca/reclamation.html
http://environment.alberta.ca/apps/osip/
Anthony, I would like to see the pejorative term “Tar Sands” treated the same way “Denier” is here.
“Historically, oil sand was incorrectly referred to as tar sand due to the now outdated and largely ineffective practice of using it for roofing and paving tar (oil sand will not harden suitably for these purposes). Though they appear to be visibly similar, tar and oil sands are different; while oil sand is a naturally occurring petrochemical, tar is a synthetically produced substance that is largely the last waste product of the destructive degradation of hydrocarbons. Furthermore, their uses are completely different; oil sand can be refined to make oil and ultimately fuel, while tar cannot and has historically been used to seal wood and rope against moisture.”
http://www.energy.alberta.ca/OilSands/793.asp

Pat Frank

Anthony, you didn’t mention how the seminar you gave with John Christy was received.
How did it go? Jeers? Cheers? Were there any questions? Buttonholed afterwards? Did anyone think to ask how you and Christy could have such (presumably) different perspectives than Santer, when the climate data set is the same for all of you? What happened? It’s gotta be a good story! 🙂

davidmhoffer

LOL, you folks STILL haven’t figured out Obama!
According to my reading of various articles, he didn’t “cancel” the pipeline, he “delayed” the final decision until 2013. In other words, just over a year from now, and right after the presidential election. He gets to satisfy his voter base now, and then do what he was going to do anyway the next month. Provided he wins the election of course.

Chris B

Typo?
Between 1680 and 1730, the coldest cycle of the Little Ice Age, temperatures plummeted and the growing season in England was about five weeks shorter then (than?) now.

Today, “without energy, life is brutal and short” when fuel is cut off from industrialized country.
See North Korea: Linking Fuel to Famine
The collapse of the Soviet Union in 1990/91 dried up subsidized fuel aid which precipitated the severe famine in North Korea compounded by weather. About 1 million died from the famine (somewhere between 500,000 and 4 million). Williams et al. write:

The disastrous decline of the DPRK’s industrial economy in the 1990s—GNP reduced by half, infrastructure in a state of near-collapse—while rooted in longterm
economic and policy failures, has its immediate cause in a drastic, ongoing energy crisis.
Since the end of the Cold War, . . .petroleum products, coal, and electricity all reduced by more than 50 percent since 1990. . . .The energy crisis is a result of the loss of subsidized Soviet oil imports, failure to maintain and modernize energy infrastructure, the impacts of natural disasters, and inefficiency in energy production and end use. . . .North Korean grain production fell from 8 million tons in 1990 to 2.5 million tons in 1996.

Fuel and Famine: Rural Energy Crisis in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea James H. Williams, David Von Hippel, and Peter Hayes, Policy Paper #46 March 2000
See also: Eating fossil fuels: oil, food and the coming crisis in agriculture By Dale Allen Pfeiffer
Warning: Available Net Exports of crude oil (after China & India’s imports) peaked in 2005, and have declined 13% since then. Oil importing countries are now facing a rapid decline in available oil exports, until massive efforts are made to provide alternatives on a war time footing.

Smokey says:
November 11, 2011 at 4:59 pm

I agree wholeheartedly. Africans use up-to-date technology, and they don’t have bones in their noses.

Hmm. This post needs a graphic image up at the top. The only way this could be improved is with a smilely face on the disk. Hey – I have an iPod like that!

Buzz B says:
November 11, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Really Mr. Watts? McKibbon “lacks the intelligence” to understand what he’s doing?! And we poor souls interested in his views are “brainwashed”? I try hard to read both sides of the climate equation (since I teach both sides of the equation), but that over-the-top rhetoric just causes me to tune out.

LOL @ Buzz
If you are “tuning out”, then that’s more confirmation that Anthony Watts is on the right track.
+1 to Watts.

Patrick McConigley

Hobbes, the full quote: if people “live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war, and such a war is of every man against every man” ……. there will be “continual fear and danger of violent death, and the life of man solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short”. Thomas Hobbes of Malmsbury, 1588-1679, lived through some of the extreme weather described above

Buzz B says:
November 11, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Really Mr. Watts? McKibben “lacks the intelligence” to understand what he’s doing?! And we poor souls interested in his views are “brainwashed”?
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How about ” McKibben “lacks the intelligence” to understand what he’s doing?” Would that be more palatable? The fact is, McKibben is a loon and he does indeed lack the intellectual capacity to see what he wishes on himself and the rest of the world. Note his abject hypocrisy. Does he ride a bike to the Occupy demonstrations? How is his home powered? Are his solutions reasonable or practical or even doable? No, they are not.
Many of us skeptics, well before the recession occurred warned that it would because of these policies pursued by McKibben and his ilk and embraced by the lunatics much of the Western civilization seemed so hell bent on electing. We could go into detail as to why but time and space don’t allow for this. The loons were told, they either didn’t care or lacked the capacity to understand, but Anthony is being generous when he states “lacks the intelligence” because if people like McKibben possessed the intelligence, then that means they are indeed the misanthropists that I believe they are. I believe they delight in the suffering they cause. I believe they delight in the deaths they cause. I believe they take great pride in knowing they’ve kept third world nations from advancing and decreasing available food supply. But that just me. Perhaps they really are that stupid and don’t understand how burning people out of their homes, or while they’re in their homes in order to plant some trees is more disgusting that what goes on in a Penn St. locker room.

Dave Worley

Perhaps the POTUS is heading to the Far East to collect his commission.

Mark ro

Mark ro says:
November 11, 2011 at 4:39 pm
The current administration punts the ball in a fourth and twenty scenario….this act is about the 2012 election. The unions have no where else to go. The greens are a less stable base, one sorely needed for reelection .
davidmhoffer says:
November 11, 2011 at 5:44 pm
“LOL, you folks STILL haven’t figured out Obama!”
And I thought I had a 100 yard punt return:(

Bill in Vigo

I would rather be warm anyday. I heat partly with wood mostly for the exercise but also for the savings. This was a good read. I enjoyed the byplay in coments. Obama should have shown some real thought and authorized the pipeline. This other may well cost him the election, people will remember.
Bill Derryberry

Jay Davis

Defenders of McKibben and other anti-fossil fuel fanatics. To date, no one has come up with viable economic alternatives to coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear energy. Wind and solar are so woefully inadequate they are not worth spending money on. Therefore, any competent, reasoning individual would conclude McKibben, and people like him, who fight against developing new sources of fossil fuels and pipelines to transport them, are maniacs too stupid to realize how much harm they are doing. And I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. Because I don’t think they practice what they preach.

tokyoboy

rbateman says: November 11, 2011 at 5:20 pm
“There is but little need for research papers on how bad things got in colder times, or how good they were in warmer times. None is needed. History isn’t science, it’s what people wrote about in the times they lived in. All you have to do is read it.”
Thanks but I know it, rbateman. I have read many books and articles on MWP and LIA.
I just wanted to strengthen my discussion in a book manuscript to be finished in three weeks.

Frank K.

Mark S says:
November 11, 2011 at 3:28 pm
John Christy said: “Don’t demonize energy, because without energy, life is brutal and short.”
“Because it’s a well-know fact that most climate scientists (i) hate energy (ii) would have us return to caves.”
No, climate scientists DON’T hate energy when the energy is used to : (a) warm their living quarters in Antarctica, (b) power the compute servers which run their GCMs, (c) fly them to their latest junket/conference in Bali or Cancun, ad infinitum.
By the way, a message to all CAGW climate scientists and followers of the CAGW cult (and you know who you are):
PLEASE STOP USING ALL FOSSIL FUELS TODAY. RIGHT NOW.
Using any form of fossil fuel energy would be evidence of your hypocrisy, and you wouldn’t want that would you? Please seek alternatives and use them exclusively. And please take yourself and your research facilities off the grid. Thank you for your cooperation.

A simple solution for all the anti-energy communities that ban fracking or oil pipelines. NO CHEAP ENERGY FOR YOU. You will have to use only non-carbon based energy at whatever non-subsidized price you can find on the market. California’s economy will simply implode.