Guest post by Maurizio Morabito
Quite an effort has been made by many people (including Dr Richard Muller) to portray the BEST pre-pre-pre-papers as some kind of death blow against climate skepticism, as if the whole debate had been a sports match with everybody pigeonholed in two opposite camps: here, the noble scientists finding out the world is warming; there, the ignoble skeptics pretending the world is not warming.
Needless to say, it’s all the usual crass, outdated lie.
How do I know? I know it from the About page at [my] blog. Why? Because that page does not contain just a text by Yours Truly, rather a large quote by Willis Eschenbach. [Who is a major essay contributor here at WUWT.]
It was simply such an appropriate, informed, short and straight argument, I knew it was going to describe pretty much all my future efforts at the blog.
Original publication place & date? The ClimateSceptics yahoo group, Mon Oct 22, 2007, 12:22pm:
I also think that increasing GHGs will warm the earth … but that is not the real question to me. The real question is, how much it will warm the earth. To date, I have not seen any “useful quantative results” regarding that question either …
Once those quantitative results are in, we can proceed to the next question — is a warmer earth better or worse on balance? The globe has warmed quite a bit since the 1600s, and in general this has been of benefit to humans. The sea level rise from the historical warming has not been a significant problem. In addition, a warmer world is predicted to be a wetter world, which overall can only be a good thing. So, will warming be a problem, or a benefit? This is a very open question, and one which will be difficult to answer as some areas will win and some will lose. To date, however, recent warming seems to be occuring outside the tropics, in the night-time, in the winter … this does not seem like a bad thing.
And at some future date when those questions are answered, we can proceed to the final question, viz:
If GHGs are determined to be a major cause of the warming (as opposed to landuse changes, or black carbon on snow, or dark colored aerosols, etc) and if we determine that the warming will be on balance a negative occurrence, is there a cost-effective way to reduce the GHGs, or are we better off putting our money into adaptation?
Until we can answer all of those questions, we should restrict ourselves to actions which will be of value whether or not there is future warming. The key is to realize that all of the problems that Al Gore is so shrill about are here now with us today — floods, heat waves, famine, rising sea levels, droughts, cold spells, and all of the apocalyptic catalog are occuring as I write this. Anything we can do to insulate the world’s population from these climate problems will be of use to everyone no matter what the future climate holds […]
Samoht – you know what? I’ve had enough of you corpse-eaters, always ready to try to push your agendas by taking advantage of people killed by weather and carelessness on the part of public authorities.
Your life is made up of long days passed in front of disaster-filled screens and newspapers, as you salivate in a frenzy pumped up by somebody else’s blood and tears. Shame would be a reward.
what did I know…thanks to Anthony’s hosting of my post above, I had today to thank Skeptical Science too.
Lucky me!
kim;) says:
October 25, 2011 at 2:02 am
Gail Combs says:
October 24, 2011 at 10:19 pm
On the subject of religion and “Climate Change” since there seems to be a bit of confusion.
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Trying to understand your point………..
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From the article it looks like at least some religious leaders are jumping on the CAGW band wagon as part of an “International Meeting” And yes it was covered by a catholic “media outlet”
Brian H says:
October 26, 2011 at 6:45 pm
CBH is clearly under the illusion that this site is like the ones he’s used to, in which The Message is unitary, uniform, and carefully filtered. The exploration of multiple POVs and analytic approaches is deadly to the purity of AGWist sites, but core here.
So his distress and confusion are ineluctable.
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Yes I noticed if there is a discussion with N comments you get N+10 bits of info here at WUWT
I always love the “It is Warming” and skeptics deny it crap such as CHB is talking of. The statement is NEVER qualified with a start and end time so it is completely and utterly meaningless in most cases.
For example,
it has cooled from noon to dawn (true most days)
21st century – pretty much flat
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_current.gif
1970 to 1999 – slightly warming
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_current.gif
Cooling last 2000 years
http://www.biocab.org/Boreholes_Reconstruction.jpg
last 0.03 million years – sharply warming
last 1.30 million years – cooling
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9484/lasticeageglant.png
This graph (greenland) makes it more obvious that over all we are gradually cooling back down from the highest temp in the Holocene although the other graph also show that if you look closely.
http://www.foresight.org/nanodot/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/histo3.png
So as usual while Christoffer Bugge Harder is focused on the kettle and only the kettle like a good little follower, skeptics are busy looking at the whole kitchen. No wonder he is confused, he needs to take his blinkers off.
Gail Combs says:
October 28, 2011 at 12:05 pm
From the article it looks like at least some religious leaders are jumping on the CAGW band wagon as part of an “International Meeting” And yes it was covered by a catholic “media outlet”
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Again, your point being?
I thought you were going to make a point when you stated:
Gail Combs says:
October 24, 2011 at 10:19 pm
On the subject of religion and “Climate Change” since there seems to be a bit of confusion.
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C’mon, I thought you are an educator?
You made that statement after I pointed out in a prior post that said: “I repeat: “The Pope has never spoken these words from the chair…Anthropogenic Climate Change – AGW – Man Made Climate.”
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You state:
Gail Combs says:
October 28, 2011 at 12:05 pm
“International Meeting”
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Palestine doesn’t have statehood. That leaves Israel?
“The Council of Religious Institutions of the Holy Land ” [ 4 people – 2 Islamic – 1 Jewish – 1 Christian(Catholic) ].
Even loosely construed to mean “International” – It doesn’t address your point, “On the subject of religion and “Climate Change” since there seems to be a bit of confusion.”
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Your pointing to Religious [ esp Catholic ] as an example and trying to make a point about 1 Catholic’s [ personal ] beliefs in AGW…. is IMO a bit of a long stretch. I can think of no organization of people that doesn’t have some who believe in AGW – Can you? Just look at organizations that you might belong to such as Teachers Associations – Unions.
You ignore people like Cardinal George Pell – Dr Roy Spencer…etc etc to project some hidden / thinly veiled personal beliefs, about religious, in your posts, IMO.
I’m sorry, but your logic …fails me.
Multiple PoVs are good, and I am convinced that the human race can adapt.
I am not convinced that many plant and animal species can adapt.
Evolution works more slowly than the present movement of the thermoclines.
Finally published my ordered Live Microblogging of Cardinal Pell’s GWPF Lecture the other day…
Maurizio Morabito (omnologos) says: October 30, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Super, thanks and appreciated Maurizio,
Like the point by point presentation- will read further.
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They exist, and have persisted through much more severe climate flips than even the worst IPCC projections. Hence, they have the “genetic resources” to adapt. Evolving new ones is not necessary.