Doug Keenan, who readers may remember doggedly pursued and won some tree ring data that Queens University held back, was asked to comment of the BEST papers by the Economist. He posted up the full correspondence, including his critiques. There’s some interesting things in there. Since Dr. Muller and BEST want full transparency, in that interest, I’m making this available here. Start from the bottom up to maintain the timeline. h/t to Bishop Hill
He writes:
The Economist asked me to comment on four research papers from the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) project. The four papers, which have not been published, are as follows.
- Decadal variations in the global atmospheric land temperatures
- Influence of urban heating on the global temperature land average using rural sites identified from MODIS classifications
- Berkeley Earth temperature averaging process
- Earth atmospheric land surface temperature and station quality
Below is some of the correspondence that we had. (Note: my comments were written under time pressure, and are unpolished.)
From: D.J. Keenan
To: Richard Muller [BEST Scientific Director]; Charlotte Wickham [BEST Statistical Scientist]
Cc: James Astill; Elizabeth Muller
Sent: 17 October 2011, 17:16
Subject: BEST papers
Attach: Roe_FeedbacksRev_08.pdf; Cowpertwait & Metcalfe, 2009, sect 2-6-3.pdf; EmailtoDKeenan12Aug2011.pdf
Charlotte and Richard,
James Astill, Energy & Environment Editor of The Economist, asked Liz Muller if it would be okay to show me your BEST papers, and Liz agreed. Thus far, I have looked at two of the papers.
- Decadal Variations in the Global Atmospheric Land Temperatures
- Influence of Urban Heating on the Global Temperature Land Average Using Rural Sites Identified from MODIS Classifications
Following are some comments on those.
In the first paper, various series are compared and analyzed. The series, however, have sometimes been smoothed via a moving average. Smoothed time series cannot be used in most statistical analyses. For some comments on this, which require only a little statistical background, see these blog posts by Matt Briggs (who is a statistician):
Do not smooth times series, you hockey puck!
Do NOT smooth time series before computing forecast skill
Here is a quote from those (formatting in original).
Unless the data is measured with error, you never, ever, for no reason, under no threat, SMOOTH the series! And if for some bizarre reason you do smooth it, you absolutely on pain of death do NOT use the smoothed series as input for other analyses! If the data is measured with error, you might attempt to model it (which means smooth it) in an attempt to estimate the measurement error, but even in these rare cases you have to have an outside (the learned word is “exogenous”) estimate of that error, that is, one not based on your current data.
If, in a moment of insanity, you do smooth time series data and you do use it as input to other analyses, you dramatically increase the probability of fooling yourself! This is because smoothing induces spurious signals—signals that look real to other analytical methods.
This problem seems to invalidate much of the statistical analysis in your paper.
There is another, larger, problem with your papers. In statistical analyses, an inference is not drawn directly from data. Rather, a statistical model is fit to the data, and inferences are drawn from the model. We sometimes see statements such as “the data are significantly increasing”, but this is loose phrasing. Strictly, data cannot be significantly increasing, only the trend in a statistical model can be.
A statistical model should be plausible on both statistical and scientific grounds. Statistical grounds typically involve comparing the model with other plausible models or comparing the observed values with the corresponding values that are predicted from the model. Discussion of scientific grounds is largely omitted from texts in statistics (because the texts are instructing in statistics), but it is nonetheless crucial that a model be scientifically plausible. If statistical and scientific grounds for a model are not given in an analysis and are not clear from the context, then inferences drawn from the model should be regarded as unfounded.
The statistical model adopted in most analyses of climatic time series is a straight line (usually trending upward) with noise (i.e. residuals) that are AR(1). AR(1) is short for “first-order autoregressive”, which means, roughly, that this year (only) has a direct effect on next year; for example, if this year is extremely cold, then next year will have a tendency to be cooler than average.
That model—a straight line with AR(1) noise—is the model adopted by the IPCC (see AR4: §I.3.A). It is also the model that was adopted by the U.S. Climate Change Science Program (which reports to Congress) in its analysis of “Statistical Issues Regarding Trends”. Etc. An AR(1)-based model has additionally been adopted for several climatic time series other than global surface temperatures. For instance, it has been adopted for the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, studied in your work: see the review paper by Roe [2008], attached.
Although an AR(1)-based model has been widely adopted, it nonetheless has serious problems. The problems are actually so basic that they are discussed in some recent introductory (undergraduate) texts on time series—for example, in Time Series Analysis and Its Applications (third edition, 2011) by R.H. Shumway & D.S. Stoffer (see Example 2.5; set exercises 3.33 and 5.3 elaborate).
In Australia, the government commissioned the Garnaut Review to report on climate change. The Garnaut Review asked specialists in the analysis of time series to analyze the global temperature series. The report from those specialists considered and, like Shumway & Stoffer, effectively rejected the AR(1)-based statistical model. Statistical analysis shows that the model is too simplistic to cope with the complexity in the series of global temperatures.
Additionally, some leading climatologists have strongly argued on scientific grounds that the AR(1)-based model is unrealistic and too simplistic [Foster et al., GRL, 2008].
To summarize, most research on global warming relies on a statistical model that should not be used. This invalidates much of the analysis done on global warming. I published an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal to explain these issues, in plain English, this year.
The largest center for global-warming research in the UK is the Hadley Centre. The Hadley Centre employs a statistician, Doug McNeall. After my op-ed piece appeared, Doug McNeall and I had an e-mail discussion about it. A copy of one of his messages is attached. In the message, he states that the statistical model—a straight line with AR(1) noise—is “simply inadequate”. (He still believes that the world is warming, primarily due to computer simulations of the global climate system.)
Although the AR(1)-based model is known to be inadequate, no one knows what statistical model should be used. There have been various papers in the peer-reviewed literature that suggest possible resolutions, but so far no alternative model has found much acceptance.
When I heard about the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, I got the impression that it was going to address the statistical issues. So I was extremely curious to see what statistical model would be adopted. I assumed that strong statistical expertise would be brought to the project, and I was trusting that, at a minimum, there would be a big improvement on the AR(1)-based model. Indeed, I said this in an interview with The Register last June.
BEST did not adopt the AR(1)-based model; nor, however, did it adopt a model that deals with some of the complexity that AR(1) fails to capture. Instead, BEST chose a model that is much more simplistic than even AR(1), a model which allows essentially no structure in the time series. In particular, the model that BEST adopted assumes that this year has no effect on next year. That assumption is clearly invalid on climatological grounds. It is also easily seen to be invalid on statistical grounds. Hence the conclusions of the statistical analysis done by BEST are unfounded.
All this occurred even though understanding the crucial question—what statistical model should be used?—requires only an introductory level of understanding in time series. The question is so basic that it is discussed by the introductory text of Shumway & Stoffer, cited above. Another text that does similarly is Introductory Time Series with R by P.S.P. Cowpertwait & A.V. Metcalfe (2009); a section from that text is attached. (The section argues that, from a statistical perspective, a pure AR(4) model is appropriate for global temperatures.) Neither Shumway & Stoffer nor Cowpertwait & Metcalfe have an agenda on global warming, to my knowledge. Rather, they are just writing introductory texts on time series and giving students practical examples; each text includes the series of global temperatures as one of those examples.
There are also textbooks that are devoted to the statistical analysis of climatic data and that discuss time-series modeling in detail. My bookshelf includes the following.
Climate Time Series Analysis (Mudelsee, 2010)
Statistical Analysis in Climate Research (von Storch & Zwiers, 2003)
Statistical Methods in the Atmospheric Sciences (Wilks, 2005)
Univariate Time Series in Geosciences (Gilgen, 2006)
Considering the second paper, on Urban Heat Islands, the conclusion there is that there has been some urban cooling. That conclusion contradicts over a century of research as well as common experience. It is almost certainly incorrect. And if such an unexpected conclusion is correct, then every feasible effort should be made to show the reader that it must be correct.
I suggest an alternative explanation. First note that the stations that your analysis describes as “very rural” are in fact simply “places that are not dominated by the built environment”. In other words, there might well be, and probably is, substantial urbanization at those stations. Second, note that Roy Spencer has presented evidence that the effects of urbanization on temperature grow logarithmically with population size.
Putting those two notes together, we might expect that the UHI effect will be larger at the sites classified as “very rural” than at the sites classified as urban. And that is indeed what your analysis shows. Of course, if this alternative explanation is correct, then we cannot draw any inferences about the size of UHI effects on the average temperature measurements, using the approach taken in your paper.
There are other, smaller, problems with your paper. In particular, the Discussion section states the following.
We observe the opposite of an urban heating effect over the period 1950 to 2010, with a slope of -0.19 ± 0.19 °C/100yr. This is not statistically consistent with prior estimates, but it does verify that the effect is very small….
If the two estimates are not consistent, then they contradict each other. In other words, at least one of them must be wrong. Hence one estimate cannot be used “verify” an inference drawn from the other. This has nothing to do with statistics. It is logic.
Sincerely, Doug
* * * * * * * * * * * *
Douglas J. Keenan
From: Richard Muller
To: James Astill
Cc: Elizabeth Muller
Sent: 17 October 2011, 23:33
Subject: Re: BEST papers
Dear James,
You’ve received a copy of an email that DJ Keenan wrote to me and Charlotte. He raises lots of issues that require addressing, some that reflect misunderstanding, and some of which just reflect disagreements among experts in the field of statistics. Since these issues are bound to arise again and again, we are preparing an FAQ that we will put on our web site.
Keenan states that he had not yet read our long paper on statistical methods. I think if he reads this he is more likely to appreciate the sophistication and care that we took in the analysis. David Brillinger, our chief advisor on statistics, warned us that by avoiding the jargon of statistics, we would mislead statisticians to think we had a naive approach. But we decided to write in a more casual style, specifically to be able to reach the wider world of geophysicists and climate scientists who don’t understand the jargon. Again, if Keenan reads the methods paper, he will have a deeper appreciation of what we have done.
It is also important to recognize that we are not creating a new field of science, but are adding to one that has a long history. In the past I’ve discovered that if you avoid using the methods of the past, the key scientists in the field don’t understand what you have done. As my favorite example, I cite a paper I wrote in which I did data were unevenly spaced in time, so I did a Lomb periodogram; the paper was rejected by referees who argued that I was using an “obscure” approach and should have simply done the traditional interpolation followed by Blackman-Tukey analysis. In the future I did it their way, always being careful however to also do a Lomb analysis to make sure there were no differences.
His initial comment is on the smoothing of data. There are certainly statisticians who vigorously oppose this approach, but there have been top statisticians who support it. Included in that list are David Brillinger, and his mentor, the great John Tukey. Tukey revolutionize the field of data analysis for science and his methods dominate many fields of physical science.
Tukey argued that smoothing was a version of “pre-whitening”, a valuable way to remove from the data behavior that was real but not of primary interest. Another of his methods was sequential analysis, in which the low frequency variations were identified, fit using a maximum likelihood method, and then subtracted from the data using a filter prior to the analysis of the frequencies of interest. He showed that this pre-whitening would lead to a more robust result. This is effectively what we did in the Decadal variations paper. The long time scale changes were not the focus of our study, so we did a maximum-likelihood fit, removed them, and examined the residuals.
Keenan quotes: “If, in a moment of insanity, you do smooth time series data and you do use it as input to other analyses, you dramatically increase the probability of fooling yourself! This is because smoothing induces spurious signals—signals that look real to other analytical methods.” Then he draws a conclusion that does not follow from this quote; he says: “This problem seems to invalidate much of the statistical analysis in your paper.”
He is, of course, being illogical. Just because smoothing can increase the probability of our fooling ourselves doesn’t mean that we did. There is real value to smoothing data, and yes, you have to beware of the traps, but if you are then there is a real advantage to doing that. I wrote about this in detail in my technical book on the subject, “Ice Ages and Astronomical Causes.” Much of this book is devoted to pointing out the traps and pitfalls that others in the field fell into.
Keenan goes on to say, “In statistical analyses, an inference is not drawn directly from data. Rather, a statistical model is fit to the data, and inferences are drawn from the model.” I agree wholeheartedly! He may be confused because we adopted the language of physics and geophysics rather than that of statistics. He goes on to say that “This invalidates much of the analysis done on global warming.” If we are to move ahead, it does no good simply to denigrate most of the previous work. So we do our work with more care, using valid statistical methods, but write our papers in such a way that the prior workers in the field will understand what we say. Our hope, in part, is to advance the methods of the field.
Unfortunately, Keenan’s conclusion is that there has been virtually no valid work in the climate field, that what is needed is a better model, and he does not know what that model should be. He says, “To summarize, most research on global warming relies on a statistical model that should not be used. This invalidates much of the analysis done on global warming. I published an op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal to explain these issues, in plain English, this year.”
Here is his quote basically concluding that no analysis of global warming is valid under his statistical standards: “Although the AR(1)-based model is known to be inadequate, no one knows what statistical model should be used. There have been various papers in the peer-reviewed literature that suggest possible resolutions, but so far no alternative model has found much acceptance.”
What he is saying is that statistical methods are unable to be used to show that there is global warming or cooling or anything else. That is a very strong conclusion, and it reflects, in my mind, his exaggerated pedantry for statistical methods. He can and will criticize every paper published in the past and the future on the same grounds. We might as well give up in our attempts to evaluate global warming until we find a “model” that Keenan will approve — but he offers no help in doing that.
In fact, a quick survey of his website shows that his list of publications consists almost exclusively of analysis that shows other papers are wrong. I strongly suspect that Keenan would have rejected any model we had used.
He gives some specific complaints. He quotes our paper, where we say, “We observe the opposite of an urban heating effect over the period 1950 to 2010, with a slope of -0.19 ± 0.19 °C/100yr. This is not statistically consistent with prior estimates, but it does verify that the effect is very small….”
He then complains,
If the two estimates are not consistent, then they contradict each other. In other words, at least one of them must be wrong. Hence one estimate cannot be used “verify” an inference drawn from the other. This has nothing to do with statistics. It is logic.
He is misinterpreting our statement. Our conclusion is based on our analysis. We believe it is correct. The fact that it is inconsistent with prior estimates does imply that one is wrong. Of course, we think it is the prior estimates. We do not believe that the prior estimates were more than back-of-the-envelope “guestimates”, and so there is no “statistical” contradiction.
He complains,
Considering the second paper, on Urban Heat Islands, the conclusion there is that there has been some urban cooling. That conclusion contradicts over a century of research as well as common experience. It is almost certainly incorrect. And if such an unexpected conclusion is correct, then every feasible effort should be made to show the reader that it must be correct.
He is drawing a strong a conclusion for an effect that is only significant to one standard deviation! He never would have let us claim that -0.19 ± 0.19 °C/100yr indicates urban cooling. I am surprised that a statistician would argue that such a statistically insignificant effect indicates cooling.
Please be careful whom you share this email with. We are truly interested in winning over the other analysts in the field, and I worry that if they were to read portions of this email out of context that they might interpret it the wrong way.
Rich
From: D.J. Keenan
To: James Astill
Sent: 18 October, 2011 17:53
Subject: Re: BEST papers
James,
On the most crucial point, it seems that Rich and I are in agreement. Here is a quote from his reply.
Keenan goes on to say, “In statistical analyses, an inference is not drawn directly from data. Rather, a statistical model is fit to the data, and inferences are drawn from the model.” I agree wholeheartedly!
And so the question is this: was the statistical model that was adopted for their analysis a reasonable choice? If not, then–since their conclusions are based upon that model–their conclusions must be unfounded.
In fact, the statistical model that they adopted has been rejected by essentially everyone. In particular, it has been rejected by both the IPCC and the CCSP, as cited in my previous message. I know of no work that presents argumentation to support their choice of model: they have just adopted the model without any attempt at justification, which is clearly wrong.
(It has been known for decades that the statistical model that they adopted should not be used. Although the statistical problems with the model were clear, for a long time, no one knew the physical reason. Then in 1976, Klaus Hasselmann published a paper that explained the reason. The paper is famous and has since been cited more than 1000 times.)
We could have a discussion about what statistical model should be adopted. It is certain, though, that the model BEST adopted should be rejected. Ergo, their conclusions are unfounded.
Regarding smoothing, the situation here requires only little statistics to understand. Consider the example given by Matt Briggs at
Do NOT smooth time series before computing forecast skill
We take two series, each entirely random. We compute the correlation of the two series: that will tend to be around 0. Then we smooth each series, and we compute the correlation of the two smoothed series: that will tend to be greater than before. The more we smooth the two series, the greater the correlation. Yet we started out with purely random series. This is not a matter of opinion; it is factual. Yet the BEST work computes the correlation of smoothed series.
The reply uses rhetorical techniques to avoid that, stating “Just because smoothing can increase the probability of our fooling ourselves doesn’t mean that we did”. The statement is true, but it does not rebut the above point.
Considering the UHI paper, my message included the following.
There are other, smaller, problems with your paper. In particular, the Discussion section states the following.
We observe the opposite of an urban heating effect over the period 1950 to 2010, with a slope of -0.19 ± 0.19 °C/100yr. This is not statistically consistent with prior estimates, but it does verify that the effect is very small….
If the two estimates are not consistent, then they contradict each other. In other words, at least one of them must be wrong. Hence one estimate cannot be used “verify” an inference drawn from the other. This has nothing to do with statistics. It is logic.
The reply claims “The fact that [their paper’s conclusion] is inconsistent with prior estimates does imply that one is wrong”. The claim is obviously absurd.
The reply also criticizes me for “drawing a strong a conclusion for an effect that is only significant to one standard deviation”. I did not draw that conclusion, their paper suggested it: saying that the effect was “opposite in sign to that expected if the urban heat island effect was adding anomalous warming” and that “natural explanations might require some recent form of “urban cooling””, and then describing possible causes, such as “For example, if an asphalt surface is replaced by concrete, we might expect the solar absorption to decrease, leading to a net cooling effect”.
Note that the reply does not address the alternative explanation that my message proposed for their UHI results. That explanation, which is based on the analysis of Roy Spencer (cited in my message), implies that we cannot draw any inferences about the size of UHI effects on the average temperature measurements, using the approach taken in their paper.
I has a quick look at their Methods paper. It affects none of my criticisms.
Rich also cites his book on the causes of the ice ages. Kindly read my op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal, and especially consider the discussion of Figures 6 and 7. His book claims to analyze the data in Figure 6: the book’s purpose is to propose a mechanism to explain why the similarity of the two lines is so weak. In fact, to understand the mechanism, it is only necessary to do a simple subtraction–as my piece explains. In short, the analysis is his book is extraordinarily incompetent–and it takes only an understanding of subtraction to see this.
This person who did the data analysis in that book is the person in charge of data analysis at BEST. The data analysis in the BEST papers would not pass in a third-year undergraduate course in statistical time series.
Lastly, a general comment on the surface temperature records might be appropriate. We have satellite records for the last few decades, and they closely agree with the surface records. We also have good evidence that the world was cooler 100-150 years ago than it is today. Primarily for those reasons, I think that the surface temperature records–from NASA, NOAA, Hadley/CRU, and now BEST–are probably roughly right.
Cheers, Doug
From: James Astill
To: D.J. Keenan
Sent: 18 October 2011, 17:57
Subject: Re: BEST papers
Dear Doug
Many thanks. Are you saying that, though you mistrust the BEST methodology to a great degree, you agree with their most important conclusion, re the surface temperature record?
best
James
James Astill
Energy & Environment Editor
From: D.J. Keenan
To: James Astill
Sent: 18 October 2011, 18:41
Subject: Re: BEST papers
James,
Yes, I agree that the BEST surface temperature record is very probably roughly right, at least over the last 120 years or so. This is for the general shape of their curve, not their estimates of uncertainties.
Cheers, Doug
From: D.J. Keenan
To: James Astill
Sent: 20 October, 2011 13:11
Subject: Re: BEST papers
James,
Someone just sent me the BEST press release, and asked for my comments on it. The press release begins with the following statement.
Global warming is real, according to a major study released today. Despite issues raised by climate change skeptics, the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature study finds reliable evidence of a rise in the average world land temperature of approximately 1°C since the mid-1950s.
The second sentence may be true. The first sentence, however, is not implied by the second sentence, nor does it follow from the analyses in the research papers.
Demonstrating that “global warming is real” requires much more than demonstrating that average world land temperature rose by 1°C since the mid-1950s. As an illustration, the temperature in 2010 was higher than the temperature in 2009, but that on its own does not provide evidence for global warming: the increase in temperatures could obviously be due to random fluctuations. Similarly, the increase in temperatures since the mid 1950s could be due to random fluctuations.
In order to demonstrate that the increase in temperatures since the mid 1950s is not due to random fluctuations, it is necessary to do valid statistical analysis of the temperatures. The BEST team has not done such.
I want to emphasize something. Suppose someone says “2+2=5”. Then it is not merely my opinion that what they have said is wrong; rather, what they have said is wrong. Similarly, it is not merely my opinion that the BEST statistical analysis is seriously invalid; rather, the BEST statistical analysis is seriously invalid.
Cheers, Doug
From: James Astill
To: D.J. Keenan
Sent: 20 October 2011, 13:19
Subject: Re: BEST papers
Dear Doug
Many thanks for all your thoughts on this. It’ll be interesting to see how the BEST papers fare in the review process. Please keep in touch.
best
james
James Astill
Energy & Environment Editor
A story about BEST was published in the October 22nd edition of The Economist. The story, authored by James Astill, makes no mention of the above points. It is subheaded “A new analysis of the temperature record leaves little room for the doubters. The world is warming”. Its opening sentence is “For those who question whether global warming is really happening, it is necessary to believe that the instrumental temperature record is wrong”.
Just a couple of questions –
a) How much did this study cost?
b) Who’s pockets did the funding find it’s way into?
I guess my reading comprehension is seriously lacking. This is what I gleaned from the above post:
Mathematician: “You can’t use statistical models A, B, C, or D on various statistical grounds. Even if you could, then they aren’t valid scientifically, because scientific grounds aren’t given in the analysis.”
Climatologist: “I like model B because of the pretty pictures it gives, and it agrees with my worldview.”
Mathematician: “Great Job! I agree. Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.”
Jim
Spector says:
October 21, 2011 at 4:07 pm
RE: JohnWho: (October 21, 2011 at 3:22 pm)
“dearieme says: October 21, 2011 at 2:03 pm What is it about Global Warming that so attracts the incompetent?”
“Easy – the substantial amount of money going to the CAGW supporters . . .”
Of course, there are also those who believe that the Earth is a fragile sacred object being polluted by modern industry so deeply that they resort using the most flimsy and at times dishonest evidence to make the public accept their ideology
Yeah, but it isn’t polite to discuss the lunatic fringe here.
🙂
The answer to this is really simple – if Dr Keenan, or anybody else, does not like the way the BEST group analysed the data, then they should just do it themselves. If they get a different result, then that is interesting. If they get the same result that is also interesting. But complaining about statistical techniques and not doing anything, is not interesting.
“Second, note that Roy Spencer has presented evidence that the effects of urbanization on temperature grow logarithmically with population size.
The Global Average Urban Heat Island Effect in 2000 Estimated from Station Temperatures and Population Density Data
Putting those two notes together, we might expect that the UHI effect will be larger at the sites classified as “very rural” than at the sites classified as urban. And that is indeed what your analysis shows. Of course, if this alternative explanation is correct, then we cannot draw any inferences about the size of UHI effects on the average temperature measurements, using the approach taken in your paper.”
I was glad to see this point finally addressed. However, I found it disturbing to see the response avoiding it.
The other point is, that latest Hadley sea surface data paper shows only about an increase of 0.2 deg from the top of the 1940s temperatures (and 0.3 deg applying a questionable raw data manipulation).
So globally, we are talking about a very tiny increase and another question asked by Frank Lasner is, why do trends of land and ocean data not converge ?
You make good points. People often overlook just how far you need to get from “urban centers” to get to truly rural areas. For instance, looking at just Southern California on that map, I don’t see much blue. I would certainly expect nearly 1-2 degrees square of lat/longitude to be blue in that area. The Los Angeles Basin is a *very* spread out urban center, and a significant portion of the buildings have air conditioning (this is a desert/swamp (yes I know that’s a contradiction)). Perhaps it’s map distortion, or the size of the map, but I don’t see that much blue there. Instead, that entire area looks black. Frankly, just looking at that map I’d bet I could explain why they saw no UHIE.
James Sexton says:
October 21, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Sadly, it is clear the BEST project isn’t interested in science, truth, or even plausible extrapolations. Have you guys seen the global anomaly video put out by BEST?
http://www.berkeleyearth.org/movies.php There’s absolutely no way they can legitimately invent coverage where it never took place. But, they do it anyway. Here’s a couple of screen shots.
http://suyts.wordpress.com/2011/10/21/is-that-the-best-they-can-do/
Guys, I’d not waste much time on these people and just go straight to laughing at them.
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Strange…..
You picked one of their temp maps – 1891 – and they show the SW cool….
1891 was a famous drought and heat wave in the SW
Is this another case of inventing the past cooler….to make the present warmer?
I just feel BEST is fishy. I don’t like its smell. mmm… Difficult to prove. mmm… Let me try to give the gist of what comes across:
First BEST woos Anthony who says “I’m prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong….”. Then it abandons proper time-honoured procedure, in a way that Anthony thought unthinkable. Then it says in effect “you lot, like us, had good cause to be skeptics… Anthony Watts showed the weather stations were really substandard and untrustworthy… We have now looked at all that and decided they are trustworthy… so skeptics can relax and give up skepticism like we did…”
Sorry. Something stinks. IMHO, much as Peter Ward says (October 21, 2011 at 2:15 pm)
I’m glad David here liked my UHI page. Comparisons of individual pairs of stations show a huge UHI effect.
I want to see a CA-standard audit on the BEST UHI methodology. I suspect BEST of fudging-in UHI by the back door. Phil (October 21, 2011 at 2:59 pm) may be describing that back door – noting significantly that the relevant UHI data are not available to check.
JJB MKI: “We take two series, each entirely random. We compute the correlation of the two series: that will tend to be around 0. Then we smooth each series, and we compute the correlation of the two smoothed series: that will tend to be greater than before. The more we smooth the two series, the greater the correlation. Yet we started out with purely random series. This is not a matter of opinion; it is factual. Yet the BEST work computes the correlation of smoothed series.”
The same thing happens if you have two trends each masked by lots of noise. Initially the correlation is near 0; as you smooth more, it increases; when you get to the optimal amount of smoothing, then you have the best estimate of the relationship between the two trends; over-smoothing can obliterate the relationship.
So in conclusion: (a) undisciplined smoothing can produce an apparent correlation where there is none and (b) undisciplined resistance to smoothing can produce no correlation where there is some. Muller addressed this point in different language. How much smoothing is optimal? One almost never knows a priori.
Joe says (October 21, 2011 at 2:02 pm): “Heheh…. Ooooouch.”
My reaction exactly. It reminded me of Spencer schooling Dessler…only MORE!
Sceptic Matthew,
“Citing Briggs is an “appeal to authority” when Muller already had the advice of a greater authority.”
uhh greater authority?? He appealed to God?? (snicker)
I wouldn’t call Muller’s work trash, but, since it is most likely based on the same adjusted NCDC data, or the raw NCDC data with similarly unjustified adjustments, it should be similar.
Until someone gets a time machine and goes back and sets up climate recording stations outside of anthro influence we simply will NOT know the real change until UHI effects go flat. This MAY be what is happening in the US right now with the large urban stations since our trend is generally lower than the rest of the Northern Hemisphere. Of course that could be because we have higher quality stations also!! Either way it would seem to show a problem with the rest of the world. I would also suggest some adjustments were designed and tested only on US stations and environments. Might not be appropriate for the rest of the world.
Statistics…..Rutherfords quote say’s it all….”if you need statistics you ought of done an better experiment”
Why do climate scientists use statistical models, you can make any data appear as you!!!…….oh hang on i’ve answe…….!!!!!
Latitude says:
October 21, 2011 at 4:48 pm
James Sexton says:
October 21, 2011 at 3:10 pm
…………
http://www.berkeleyearth.org/movies.php …………
http://suyts.wordpress.com/2011/10/21/is-that-the-best-they-can-do/
Guys, I’d not waste much time on these people and just go straight to laughing at them.
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Strange…..
You picked one of their temp maps – 1891 – and they show the SW cool….
1891 was a famous drought and heat wave in the SW
Is this another case of inventing the past cooler….to make the present warmer?
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lol, Thanks Lat, I picked 1891 because that’s the year they show full temp coverage for Africa and South America……… I’m calling BS. The other one, 1956 is when it shows full coverage of the Antarctic. Beyond academic pursuit, there isn’t much point in arguing statistical approaches to invented numbers. I think when we do such things, it lends an aura of legitimacy to outfits such as BEST. .
Prof Richard Muller, President and Chief Scientist of http://www.mullerandassociates.com/ (h/t ZT, 3.24pm)
Is this the fishy smell I smelt just now?
This one sentence shows that this entire BEST project may merely be a bald faced lie. Think about it:
He is a mathamatics professor.
He sees a paper, one of two things happen.
*He sees the paper is mathematically correct, he need not comment on it in that case, and so does not.
*He sees a paper that is not mathematically correct, it is his job to point that out, and he does so.
*So, what they are saying is, he is doing exactly what his job description says he should do, and because of that, we should ignore his criticism.
Second, look above, ” a quick survey of his website”, now, that is an accurate, comprehencive, why, even a scientific way to determine whether one should listen to him, right? And further, many of these articles seem to be skeptical of AGW, so, are they saying “oh no, he’s one of them, we don’t listen to them”? This strongly suggests that the BEST team members are, in fact, not “skeptics” as they claim.
In other words, we should continue to keep doing what we have always done, we should not bother to try anything new. Besides, if we do, why, the other scientists will not accept us, we wouldn’t want that! Right, we should continue to use the old crystal sphere models to tell us how the planets revolve, those telescope thingies are just too newfangled for us, no one will ever accept them.
This strongly suggests one of two things. The most charitable is that at the very least, peer pressure means that the BEST team members wish to receive the approval of their “peers”. That means that they will not contradict the AGW idea, since it has been clearly shown what happens to those who do. This is not suprising, they are in Berkely, surrounded by left leaning types, and AGW is the best hope for socialisim and control of the means of production (and pretty much everything else). I see no way that anyone doing such a project in that city could excape constant peer pressure to do so. However, considering the “quick survey” they did above, and how it shows that they are attempting to use logical fallacies (clever lies) and rhetoric to discredit Doug Keenan, I am not inclined to be charitable. Instead I believe this to be a false flag operation.
FALSE FLAG
False flag (aka Black Flag) operations are covert operations designed to deceive the public in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is flying the flag of a country other than one’s own.
In other words, it goes like this:
Allie
“We are your friends, fellow skeptics like you, you should accept us!”
Neutralize
“See, even skeptics agree now that the world is warming!”
Destroy
“So you should stop being skeptics, now that you see that warming was true all along!”
This tactic, allie, neutralise, destroy, is the standard tactic of communism. The most likely place to find die hard marxists in the USA is in Berkely. It looks like they are still up to their old tricks.
I see three possibilities here:
1)This started out as science, with people who have some integrity. However, over time, and since they are in Berkely after all, the constant peer pressure of everyone around them (and the grant money) has caused them to unconsiously cave in, and “go with the flow”. Thus they may be doing it unconsciously, but they are agreeing with the AGW crowd, and against the skeptics, because they wish to keep the approval of their peers (and keep the money flowing). They may even still think they are skeptics, or have “healthy skeptisism”, however, all that peer pressure over time means they tell themselves this only because otherwise their consciences will nag them. Thus, when they say “we are skeptics”, they are only saying so to feel better about themselves, they actually stopped being skeptics a while back without admitting to themselves that they caved in.
2)Some of them are sincere, or were, however, some were not, and planned to co-opt this for their own agenda. They need not be the actual scientists at all, they could be the administrators, the guys with the money, and especially, the publicisers who will publish and press release selectivly only what supports the AGW position. There only need be enough of the co-opters seeded in amoing the scientists to steer it and pressure it in the direction they wish it to go.
3) 3) This could be a false flag operation from the get go, they may have all been lying deliberatly when they said “we are skeptics”.
Personally, while I think option 3 above is possible, it comes out the same if it is option 1 or 2 (or mostl likely, a mixture). It is quite possible that the lying going on is people telling themselves “I am a skeptic”, so as not to admit “I caved in to peer pressure”, which would be admitting “I am a coward”. People have an amazing ability to lie to themselves. A lie is a lie.
However, when they use clever tactics to try and disprove the very well prove Urban Heat Island Effect, which has been tested over and over again and even quantified (you know, that “the scientific method” thing), I wonder, could anyone lie to themselves that</b.much? The bad news, yes, that is possible, the equelly bad news, they instead may be lying to you. It comes out the same either way in the end.
So whether this was a false flag operation from the word go, or has become one with a bunch of people who still call themselves skeptics, but are now surrounded by a pro AGW crowd who (conciously or unconsciously) are carrying them along and steering them in the direction they want them to go (or which unconciously feels better), does not matter, either way, it comes out exactly the same.
And why wuld you have been fooled? Simple, because it all sounded so good! This has all happened before (and will again), see Operation Trust and Curveball. This method works by the simple expedient of telling people what they most want to hear. The preceeding two examples show that even huge numbers of people can be fooled this way. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
One thing AGW has taught me:
Warmist leaders, like all firstclass rogues, point to those whom they fear most, the skeptics most likely to reveal their BS… and proactively accuse them of the very sins of which those warmists are guilty. Of course, they have a lot of insider understanding.
The cynic in me says, politically-savvy BEST said “lets make WUWT an offer they cannot refuse. Then we can get the media to say that even the skeptics now agree with us” – thereby, once again, gagging the skeptics. A pre-Durban pre-emptive strike.
Showing “global warming” is not surprising, in that temperature has been rising since the Little Ice Age. The challenge is to quantify the portions of anthropogenic versus natural causes.
Ross McKitrick presents his findings that socioeconomic development influences the temperature data: The influence of anthropogenic surface processes and inhomogeneities on gridded global climate data
Atmospheric Circulations do not Explain the Temperature-Industrialization Correlation
Keenan notes “Roy Spencer has presented evidence that the effects of urbanization on temperature grow logarithmically with population size.”
Could declining rural population be a cause for such a reduction in UHI?
Tad Patzek reports variations in GDP and energy with time. The Hubbert Peaks
Exponential growth, energetic Hubbert cycles, and the advancement of technology
This suggests that the BEST temperature data need be similarly tested against GDP, population, and energy use. Else the BEST publicity are but an argument from ignorance.
Let me get this straight..
BEST takes the temps… averages them.. then compiles them into a program which then extrapolates what the real temps were…
Then they take those findings and places them into a paper… refused to properly vet/review the paper and refuses to correct even basic errors…..
The IPCC, MET, EAU, CRU all use this same method of falsification by model… then try and get people to act out of emotion and not reason… before thinking….
Nothing more than the Obama Hand of the EPA justifying the need for regulations now without thinking or science to back it up….
HAS ANYTHING CHANGED SINCE CLIMATE-GATE? looks like buisness as usual to me..
Bill
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I posted this in the other thread and it just seems so relevant….
kuhnkat: uhh greater authority?? He appealed to God?? (snicker)
no.
I should also mention, with Judith Curry’s name on most of the papers, I find reason to doubt her motivations again.
Sorry Judith, you reap what you sow. Next time don’t put your name on such trash that is clearly intended to be used as media nonsense rather than incrementally good science.
Well, I suspected I smelled a false flag operation (see my previous post), then I come here and discover Lucy Skywalkers post, and now see that there is proof. Lets look at some:
Hmm, GreewnGov, sure sounds like he already believes in “green”, not usually associated with ‘skeptics”. And he combines “Green” and “Gov”, sure sounds like pro AGW to me.
Note the wording, “we know”, not even we believe, or we think, know, ‘the science is settled”.
He already believes that carbon dioxide is to be avoided, why, I thought he was a “skeptic”? He uses the words “climate change”, once again, proof he is not a skeptic.
He is “helping governments” (and private business) to avoid “climate change” and “carbon dioxide”, so he has a conflict of interest with the BEST project. Since he is helping these people avoid the evil carbon dioxide, he wants carbon dioxide to be evil, thus, the BEST project cannot be “skeptical”, or neutral, in this regard. If AGW is proved wrong, he loses money. It looks like the BEST project is merely made in support of this, to set him up as an ‘expert”, to “prove” AGW is true so that they want to hire GreenGov to “help” them, and, of course, he can get cash for the actual doing of BEST while he is at it. I call that a win win win solution for him.
My conclusion, in my previous post, I was far too “charitable” with my options. Option #3 is true, this was a deliberate false flag operation from the start. What I said then holds true:
Allie
“We are your friends, fellow skeptics like you, you should accept us!”
Neutralize
“See, even skeptics agree now that the world is warming!”
Destroy
“So you should stop being skeptics, now that you see that warming was true all along!”
It should be shouted from the housetops, the BEST project is just another pro AGW project, in this case, it is falsely masquerading as a “skeptical” one. As such, the whole thing is nothing more than a bald faced lie. The words BEST and LIE should now be the words everyone should associate together.
The important thing is to make sure that all skeptics know this, and are not sucked in. Otherwise, they will first be neutralized, and then destroyed. There is a sucker born every minute, lets at least make sure that they don’t get suckered by this one. Judith Curry may be one such who has been suckered in and fooled.
And I hate to say I told you so, but way back when you first mentioned BEST, well, I smelled something fishy back then, and said so. I saw how you so much wanted to believe it, yet how it was based in Berkeley, and I immediately thought of Operation Trust. I suggest you click on that link, and never get fooled again.
Legatus says:
October 21, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Allie
“We are your friends, fellow skeptics like you, you should accept us!”
Neutralize
“See, even skeptics agree now that the world is warming!”
Destroy
“So you should stop being skeptics, now that you see that warming was true all along!”
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Thanks for the detail on the black flag subject. lol, I have experienced this tactic in business for 25 years and we termed it as the skunk and the squirrel / striped squirrel. Didn’t have a clue there was a proper name.
And yes I agree with option #3.
Here’s something I just posted at the end of an earlier thread:
And airports account for only .001% of the land area. But 10% (per my SWAG) of climatologists’ thermometers.
Surely I shouldn’t have to point this out to them. Surely they’ve read enough contrarian comments to realize that “Urban” encompasses airports.
Or maybe they’ve read only the published literature, or believers’ sophistical dismissals, and figured there’s no need to delve deeper.
jimmi_the_dalek says:
October 21, 2011 at 4:39 pm
The answer to this is really simple – if Dr Keenan, or anybody else, does not like the way the BEST group analysed the data, then they should just do it themselves. …
It only seems simple. BEST had financial support. Contrary to the conspiracy theories current among the AGW faithful, few, if any, critics [sceptics] do. Most “big energy” money for research that isn’t spent chasing subsurface hydrocarbons, goes into looking for paying substitutes. Western geological theory assumes that petroleum is limited and regardless of the apparent antipathy between “Big Oil” and the “green movement,” both parties assume a priori that we MUST have a substitute. They – BO that is – don’t waste money defending the use of petroleum, they want to be ready with new sources of energy when petroleum is gone.
Having to make a living, critics can’t simply turn around and do things correctly. There’s no financial support for that. Also, if you pay attention, there has never been any serious question that things have warmed. The real questions, for so-called skeptics revolve around “how much,” “why,” and “for how long.” The fundamental disagreement over AGW falls in the “A” – nothing else.
Keenan’s critique of BEST, in effect, points out that using essentially the same mathematical tools as other studies that have been argued to support AGW, BEST received effectively the same results concerning planetary temperature history. They could hardly have done anything else. What he calls for is the use of different tools – e.g. AR(4)-based models as opposed to an AR(1) model. Nothing in BEST, at least according to Keenan, helps to better clarify those key issues of “how much,” “why,” and “how long.”
Muller’s response is not to Keenan – which seems rather chicken-livered. Instead it is directed to Astill and in fact, the remainder of the exchange seems to go through Astill. I suspect that one “hidden variable” there is that Muller might have worried that if he and Keenan actually discussed the mathematical issues substantively, then, if Keenan convinced him of the reality of the issues that concerned him, Muller might have found it necessary to return to the chalk board – or Matlab or whatever – blowing his deadlines.
About my post of October 21, 2011 at 5:35 pm, I ddin’t mean for the whole several last paragraphs to be in bold, just a few words of it really, I’m not shouting at anyone here…