1 K or not 1 K? That is the question

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

I am very grateful for the many thoughtful postings in response to my outline of the fundamental theoretical upper bound of little more than 1.2 K on climate sensitivity imposed by the process-engineering theory of maintaining the stability of an object on which feedbacks operate. Here are some answers to points raised by correspondents.

Iskandar says, “None of these feedbacks or forcings are ever given in the form of a formula.” In fact, there are functions for the forcings arising from each of the principal species of greenhouse gas: they are tabulated in Myhre et al., 1998, and cited with approval in IPCC (2001. 2007). However, Iskandar is right about temperature feedbacks. Here, the nearest thing to a formula for a feedback is the Clausius-Clapeyron relation, which states that the space occupied by the atmosphere is capable of carrying near-exponentially more water vapor as it warms. However, as Paltridge et al. (2009) have indicated, merely because the atmosphere can carry more water vapor there is no certainty that it does. The IPCC’s values for this and other feedbacks are questionable. For instance, Spencer and Braswell (2010, 2011, pace Dessler, 2010, 2011) have challenged the IPCC’s estimate of the cloud feedback. They find it as strongly negative (attenuating the warming that triggers it) as the IPCC finds it strongly positive (amplifying the original warming), implying a climate sensitivity of less than 1 K. Since feedbacks account for almost two-thirds of all warming in the IPCC’s method, and since it is extremely difficult to measure – still less to provide a formula for – the values of individual temperature feedbacks, an effort such as mine to identify a constraint on the magnitude of all feedbacks taken together is at least worth trying.

Doug says we cannot be sure when the dolomitic rocks were formed. What is certain, however, according to Professor Ian Plimer, who gave me the information, is that they cannot form unless the partial pressure of CO2 above the ocean in which they form is 30%, compared with today’s 0.04%. Yet, during the long era when CO2 concentrations were that high, glaciers came and went, twice, at sea level, and at the equator. Even allowing for the fact that the Sun was a little fainter then, and that the Earth’s albedo was higher, the presence of those glaciers where there are none today does raise some questions about the forcing effect of very high CO2 concentrations, and, a fortiori, about the forcing effect of today’s mere trace concentration. However, in general Doug’s point is right: it is unwise to put too much weight on results from the paleoclimate, particularly when there is so much scientific dispute about the results from today’s climate that we can measure directly.

Dirk H and the inimitable Willis Eschenbach, whose fascinating contributions to this column should surely be collected and published as a best-seller, point out that I am treating feedbacks as linear when some of them are non-linear. For the math underlying non-linear feedbacks, which would have been too lengthy to include in my posting, see e.g. Roe (2009). Roe’s teacher was Dick Lindzen, who is justifiably proud of him. However, for the purpose of the present argument, it matters not whether feedbacks are linear or non-linear: what matters is the sum total of feedbacks as they are in our own time, which is multiplied by the Planck parameter (of which more later) to yield the closed-loop gain whose upper bound was the focus of my posting. Of course I agree with Willis that the non-linearity of many feedbacks, not to mention that all or nearly all of them cannot be measured directly, makes solving the climate-sensitivity equation difficult. But, again, that is why I have tried the approach of examining a powerful theoretical constraint on the absolute magnitude of the feedback-sum. Since the loop gain in the climate object cannot exceed 0.1 (at maximum) without rendering the climate so prone to instability that runaway feedbacks that have not occurred in the past would be very likely to have occurred, the maximum feedback sum before mutual amplification cannot exceed 0.32: yet the IPCC’s implicit central estimate of the feedback sum is 2.81.

Roger Knights rightly takes me to task for a yob’s comma that should not have been present in my posting. I apologize. He also challenges my use of the word “species” for the various types of greenhouse gas: but the word “species” is regularly used by the eminent professors of climatology at whose feet I have sat.

R. de Haan cites an author whose opinion is that warming back-radiation returned from the atmosphere back to the surface and the idea that a cooler system can warm a warmer system are “unphysical concepts”. I know that the manufacturers of some infra-red detectors say the detectors do not measure back-radiation but something else: however, both Mr. de Haan’s points are based on a common misconception about what the admittedly badly-named “greenhouse effect” is. The brilliant Chris Essex explains it thus: when outgoing radiation in the right wavelengths of the near-infrared meets a molecule of a greenhouse gas such as CO2, it sets up a quantum resonance in the gas molecule, turning it into a miniature radiator. This beautifully clear analogy, when I recently used it in a presentation in New Zealand, won the support of two professors of climatology in the audience. The little radiators that the outgoing radiation turns on are not, of course, restricted only to radiating outwards to space. They radiate in all directions, including downwards – and that is before we take into account non-radiative transports such as subsidence and precipitation that bring some of that radiation down to Earth. So even the IPCC, for all its faults, is not (in this respect, at any rate) repealing the laws of thermodynamics by allowing a cooler system to warm a warmer system, which indeed would be an unphysical concept.

Gary Smith politely raised the question whether the apparently sharp ups and downs in the paleoclimate temperature indicated strongly-positive feedbacks. With respect, the answer is No, for two reasons. First, the graph I used was inevitably compressed: in fact, most of the temperature changes in that graph took place over hundreds of thousands or even millions of years. Secondly, it is the maximum variance either side of the long-run mean, not the superficially-apparent wildness of the variances within the mean, that establishes whether or not there is a constraint on the maximum net-positivity of temperature feedbacks.

Nick Stokes asked where the limiting value 0.1 for the closed-loop gain in the climate object came from. It is about an order of magnitude above the usual design limit for net-positive feedbacks in electronic circuits that are not intended to experience runaway feedbacks or to oscillate either side of the singularity in the feedback-amplification equation, which occurs where the loop gain is unity.

David Hoffer wondered what evidence the IPCC had for assuming a linear rise in global temperature over the 21st century given that the radiative forcing from CO2 increases only at a logarithmic (i.e. sub-linear) rate. The IPCC pretends that all six of its “emissions scenarios” are to be given equal weight, but its own preference for the A2 scenario is clear, particularly in the relevant chapter of its 2007 report (ch. 10). See, in particular, fig. 10.26, which shows an exponential rise in both CO2 and temperature, when one might have expected the logarithmicity of the CO2 increase to cancel the exponentiality of the temperature increase. However, on the A2 scenario it is only the anthropogenic fraction of the CO2 concentration that is increased exponentially, and this has the paradoxical effect of making temperature rise near-exponentially too – but only if one assumes the very high climate sensitivity that is impossible given the fundamental constraint on the net-positivity of temperature feedbacks.

DR asks whether anyone has ever actually replicated experimentally the greenhouse effect mentioned by Arrhenius, who in 1895/6 first calculated how much warming a doubling of CO2 concentration would cause. Yes, the greenhouse effect was first demonstrated empirically by John Tyndale at the Royal Institution, London (just round the corner from my club) as far back as 1859. His apparatus can still be seen there. The experiment is quite easily replicated, so we know (even if the SB equation and the existence of a readily-measurable temperature lapse-rate with altitude did not tell us) that the greenhouse effect is real. The real debate is not on whether there is a greenhouse effect (there is), but on how much warming our rather small perturbation of the atmosphere with additional concentrations of greenhouse gases will cause (not a lot).

Werner Brozek asks whether the quite small variations in global surface temperature either side of the billion-year mean indicate that “tipping-points” do not exist. In mathematics and physics the term “tipping-point” is really only used by those wanting to make a political point, usually from a climate-extremist position. The old mathematical term of art, still used by many, was “phase-transition”: now we should usually talk of a “bifurcation” in the evolution of the object under consideration. Since the climate object is mathematically-chaotic (IPCC, 2001, para. 14.2.2.2; Giorgi, 2005; Lorenz, 1963), bifurcations will of course occur: indeed any sufficiently rare extreme-weather event may be a bifurcation. We know that very extreme things can suddenly happen in the climate. For instance, at the end of the Younger Dryas cooling period that brought the last Ice Age to an end, temperatures in Antarctica as inferred from variations in the ratios of different isotopes of oxygen in air trapped in layers under the ice, rose by 5 K (9 F) in just three years. “Now, that, as Ian Plimer likes to say in his lectures, “is climate change!”

But the idea that our very small perturbation in temperature will somehow cause more bifurcations is not warranted by the underlying mathematics of chaos theory. In my own lectures I often illustrate this with a spectacular picture drawn on the Argand plane by a very simple chaotic function, the Mandelbrot fractal function. The starting and ending values for the pixels at top right and bottom left respectively are identical to 12 digits of precision; yet the digits beyond 12 are enough to produce multiple highly-visible bifurcations.

And we know that some forms of extreme weather are likely to become rarer if the world warms. Much – though not all – extreme weather depends not upon absolute temperature but upon differentials in temperature between one altitude or latitude and another. These differentials tend to get smaller as the world warms, so that outside the tropics (and arguably in the tropics too) there will probably be fewer storms.

Roy Clark says there is no such thing as equilibrium in the climate. No, but that does not stop us from trying to do the sums on the assumption of the absence of any perturbation (the equilibrium assumption). Like the square root of -1, it doesn’t really exist, but it is useful to pretend ad argumentum that it might.

Legatus raised a fascinating point about the measurements of ambient radiation that observatories around the world make so that they can calibrate their delicate, heat-sensitive telescopes. He says those measurements show no increase in radiation at the surface (or, rather, on the mountain-tops where most of the telescopes are). However, it is not the surface radiation but the radiation at the top of the atmosphere (or, rather, at the characteristic-emission altitude about 5 km above sea level) that is relevant: and that is 239.4 Watts (no relation) per square meter, by definition, because the characteristic-emission altitude (the outstanding Dick Lindzen’s name for it) is that altitude at which outgoing and incoming fluxes of radiation balance. It is also at that altitude, one optical depth down into the atmosphere, that satellites “see” the radiation coming up into space from the Earth/atmosphere system. Now, as we add greenhouse gases to the atmosphere and cause warming, that altitude will rise a little; and, because the atmosphere contains greenhouse gases and, therefore, its temperature is not uniform, consequent maintenance of the temperature lapse-rate of about 6.5 K/km of altitude will ensure that the surface warms as a result. Since the altitude of the characteristic-emission level varies by day and by night, by latitude, etc., it is impossible to measure directly how it has changed or even where it is.

Of course, it is at the characteristic-emission altitude, and not – repeat not – at the Earth’s surface that the Planck parameter should be derived. So let me do just that. Incoming radiation is, say, 1368 Watts per square meter. However, the Earth presents itself to that radiation as a disk but is actually a sphere, so we divide the radiation by 4 to allow for the ratio of the surface areas of disk and sphere. That gives 342 Watts per square meter. However, 30% of the Sun’s radiation is reflected harmlessly back to space by clouds, snow, sparkling sea surfaces, my lovely wife’s smile, etc., so the flux of relevant radiation at the characteristic-emission altitude is 342(1 – 0.3) = 239.4 Watts per square meter.

From this value, we can calculate the Earth’s characteristic-emission temperature directly without even having to measure it (which is just as well, because measuring even surface temperature is problematic). We use the fundamental equation of radiative transfer, the only equation to be named after a Slovene. Stefan found the equation by empirical methods and, a decade or so later, his Austrian pupil Ludwig Boltzmann proved it theoretically by reference to Planck’s blackbody law (hence the name “Planck parameter”, engagingly mis-spelled “plank” by one blogger.

The equation says that radiative flux is equal to the emissivity of the characteristic-emission surface (which we can take as unity without much error when thinking about long-wave radiation), times the Stefan-Boltzmann constant 5.67 x 10^–8 Watts per square meter per Kelvin to the fourth power, times temperature in Kelvin to the fourth power. So characteristic-emission temperature is equal to the flux divided by the emissivity and by the Stefan-Boltzmann constant, all to the power 1/4.: thus, [239.4 / (1 x 5.67 x 10^–8)]^¼ = 254.9 K or thereby.

Any mathematician taking a glance at this equation will at once notice that one needs quite a large change in radiative flux to achieve a very small change in temperature. To find out how small, one takes the first differential of the equation, which (assuming emissivity to be constant) is simply the temperature divided by four times the flux: so, 254.9 / (4 x 239.4) = 0.2662 Kelvin per Watt per square meter. However, the IPCC (2007, p. 631, footnote) takes 0.3125 and, in its usual exasperating way, without explaining why. So a couple of weeks ago I asked Roy Spencer and John Christy for 30 years of latitudinally-distributed surface temperature data and spent a weekend calculating the Planck parameter at the characteristic-emission altitude for each of 67 zones of latitude, allowing for latitudinal variations in insolation and adjusting for variations in the surface areas of the zones. My answer, based on the equinoxes and admittedly ignoring seasonal variations in the zenith angles of the Sun at each latitude, was 0.316. So I’ve checked, and the IPCC has the Planck parameter right. Therefore, it is of course the IPCC’s value that I used in my calculations in my commentary for Remote Sensing, except in one place.

Kiehl & Trenberth (1997) publish a celebrated Earth/atmosphere energy-budget diagram in which they show 390 Watts per square meter of outgoing radiative flux from the surface, and state that this is the “blackbody” value. From this, we know that – contrary to the intriguing suggestion made by Legatus that one should simply measure it – they did not attempt to find this value by measurement. Instead, they were taking surface emissivity as unity (for that is what defines a blackbody), and calculating the outgoing flux using the Stefan-Boltzmann equation. The surface temperature, which we can measure (albeit with some uncertainty) is 288 K. So, in effect, Kiehl and Trenberth are saying that they used the SB equation at the Earth’s surface to determine the outgoing surface flux, thus: 1 x 5.67 x 10^–8 x 288^4 = 390.1 Watts per square meter.

Two problems with this. First, the equation holds good only at the characteristic-emission altitude, and not at the surface. That is why, once I had satisfied myself that the IPCC’s value at that altitude was correct, I said in my commentary for Remote Sensing that the IPCC’s value was correct, and I am surprised to find that a blogger had tried to leave her readers with a quite different impression even after I had clarified this specific point to her.

Secondly, since Kiehl and Trenberth are using the Stefan-Boltzmann equation at the surface in order to obtain their imagined (and perhaps imaginary) outgoing flux of 390 Watts per square meter, it is of course legitimate to take the surface differential of the equation that they themselves imply that they had used, for in that we we can determine the implicit Planck parameter in their diagram. This is simply done: 288 / (4 x 390) = 0.1846 Kelvin per Watt per square meter. Strictly speaking, one should also add the non-radiative transports of 78 Watts per square meter for evapo-transpiration and 24 for thermal convection (see Kimoto, 2009, for a discussion) to the 390 Watts per square meter of radiative flux, reducing Kiehl and Trenberth’s implicit Planck parameter from 0.18 to 0.15. Either 0.15 or 0.18 gives a climate sensitivity ~1 K. So the Planck parameter I derived at this point in my commentary, of course, not the correct one: nor is it “Monckton’s” Planck parameter, and the blogger who said it was had been plainly told all that I have told you, though in a rather more compressed form because she had indicated she was familiar with differential calculus. It is not Monckton’s Planck parameter, nor even Planck’s Planck parameter, and it is certainly not a plank parameter – but it is Kiehl & Trenberth’s Planck parameter. If they were right (and, of course, I was explicit in using the conditional in my commentary to indicate, in the politest possible way, that they were not), then, like it or not, they were implying a climate sensitivity a great deal lower than they had perhaps realized – in fact a sensitivity of around 1 K. I do regret that a quite unnecessary mountain has been made out of this surely simple little molehill – just one of more than a dozen points in a wide-ranging commentary.

And just to confirm that it should really have been obvious to everyone that the IPCC’s value of the Planck parameter is my value, I gave that value as the correct one both in my commentary and in my recent blog posting on the fundamental constraint on feedback loop gain. You will find it, with its derivation, right at the beginning of that posting, and encapsulated in Eq. (3).

Thank you all again for your interest. This discussion has generally been on a far higher plane than is usual with climate discussions. I hope that these further points in answer to commentators will be helpful.

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Septic Matthew
September 30, 2011 11:34 am

Willis Eschenbach says:
September 29, 2011 at 11:01 am
Your points are well expressed and pertinent.

Dr. Jay Cadbury, phd.
September 30, 2011 11:34 am


Lucia’s site is in the dumps right now. She is moderating comments like a banshee that has adhd. She is very upset that Monckton is schooling her. She is amazed that the “team” equations are incorrect.

kim
September 30, 2011 11:49 am

I’d like to believe that Jay, but I can’t quite suss it out yet. I’m looking for my arithmetic primer. It’s gotta be around here somewhere. Maybe Kevin borrowed it.
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September 30, 2011 12:25 pm

Christopher.
It looks like a monktopus is squirting ink in the water
“Finally, the blogger, on her own site, asks me to explain in detail why the rate of change in temperature per unit rate of change in radiative flux is simply the temperature divided by (four times the flux). Since the blogger sneers so repeatedly at my knowledge of these matters, she will surely not be willing to take lessons from me, so may I advise her to refer to any elementary textbook of calculus? She will find the relevant rules for simple differentiations in Chapter 1, and may find it useful to commit them to memory. In all the climatology papers on this differential that I have seen, it is regarded as so blindingly obvious that it is taken for granted and used without further comment or explanation. See, e.g., Hansen (1984).
First things first. Both Hansen and Gavin have resorted to the childish game of not mentioning the name of their critics. It’s delightful to see you sink to their level of discourse. However, the equation in question is not in Hansen 1984. you are mistaken
Maybe you are avoiding posting the exact equations because you dont know Latex. That would be odd, Nevertheless, readers can see that the equation Lucia asked you to discuss is not in Hansen 1984.
I really enjoy the fact that you challenge AGW folks to debates. I challenge you to debate Lucia. On her site where we can see you explain your derivation. Tom Vonk comes there, Tom will probably help you with the Latex if thats a problem for you.
The mathematically inclined folks can read the real equation here
http://rankexploits.com/musings/2011/monckton-neither-0-15-wk-m2-nor-0-18-wk-m2-are-the-kt-implicit-planck-parameter/#comments

John Mason
September 30, 2011 12:53 pm

Doug,
I think our thoughts on Cryogenian-Ediacaran dolomite formation have been lost in the ether, and Monckton has not responded either. Perhaps he is relaxing with a good malt and reading some of the interesting papers I linked directly to for your joint benefits.
However, I maintain that both he and, by connection, Plimer, are very sweeping in their oversimplification of this distant point in time, and that the stratigraphy of this sequence throws up many things that show that their cover-all-in-a-few-words statements about it look a bit, no very, silly once scrutinised. If the boot were on the other foot, some regulars of certain blogs, this one included, would be onto the matter like a pack of wolves: specifically, had the IPCC said, “In the Neoproterozoic, 750 Ma BP, CO2 concentration (today <0.04%) was ~30%: otherwise the ocean’s magnesium ions could not have united with the abundance of calcium ions and with CO2 itself to precipitate the dolomitic rocks laid down in that era. Yet mile-high glaciers came and went twice at sea level at the equator", the shout would have gone up and echoed from valley to valley, the light from beacon to beacon. Fox News would have had "NEOPROTEROZOICGATE" across the banner on each news bulletin. This is a classic case of the fact that confirmation-bias can go both ways, but either way it is not a good thing.
Regards,
Mason
(PS – FYI folk Stateside, at the time Monckton and I were at school – not the same one – we would both have been routinely addressed by our surnames, and indeed in discussions of science it is standard form to use same, so don't think us Brits rude or anything. In those formative years, the greatest fear tended to be the way in which one's surname was called out in any gathering like Assembly). Google to see if there's a video of Ripping Yarns – Tomkinson's Schooldays – if you don't believe me!

Richard Saumarez
September 30, 2011 12:55 pm

The more I follow the application (or mis-application) of control theory to climate, the more anxious I become about the concepts.
1) The use of static gain equations to infer stability, or lack of it, ignores both extensive and intensive variables being functions of time. This has very serious implications.
For example, there are extensive analogies to amplifiers. The static gain of an amplifier only tells one a certain amount about its stability, because the dynamic stability is dependent ensuring that phase shifts within the forward and feedback components maintain negative feedback through the dynamic range of the system.
2) Following from above, I am increasingly astonished that the climate community has at last realised delays between responses and inputs may be important, e.g: Spencer&Bracewell 2011, which in a context of control is somewhat surprising. However, the analysis of supposed feedback in climate systems seems to be unrigorous at a first year undergraduate level.
3) The celebrated Spencer/Bracewell equation is (slightly rearranged):
dDT/dt=lambda/CpDT +sigma[fluxes]/Cp.
Lambda is interpreted as a feedback parameter.
This equation is simply a first order linear differential equation and is directly equivalent physically to resistor/capacitor network, dye passing through a mixing chamber or a spring connected to dashpot. There is no feedback whatsoever in this model. The system imposes a delay, which is immediately apparent since integration of the equation results in an impulse response of e-(lambda.t/Cp). However, the delay, which is in fact a frequency dependent phase shift, are intrinsic to any linear system that can store energy and have nothing to do with feedback.
4) Following from this, the feedback models that have been discussed recently are not physically realisable because any physical system imposes a delay, which may have substantial effects on the dynamic properties of the system.
5) If one wishes to analyse a linear control system, this is more easily done in the complex frequency domain using Integral transform. While it is unlikely that the climate system is linear, it may well be Linearisable, in other words over relatively small variations, the non-linear terms are small and can be ignored. This approach is taken by Judith Curry in the chapter(13) on thermodynamic control and she writes a general set of equations descibng feedback as set of functionals of the internal system variables. Although, these are not explicitly stated as functions of time, the ODEs in each functional can be, recast by expressing them in terms of Fourier or Laplace transforms. In this case, the model can by analysed using conventional control theory.
6) The most troublesome aspect of this debate is that professional climatologists are claiming to use control theory to make comments of climate stability but, in fact, their approach seems superficial. This has a very important implication. If one is using an incorrect theory to describe a system, the methods used to analyse it become suspect. There is a huge body of work on system identification which, if one assumes that the climate can be treated as linear control system, lend themselves to the problem. The widespread use of regression (which was developed for a completely different problem that is not equivalent to control systems) to identify feedback in a system that, according to the authors’ mathematics does not actually contain feedback, would appear to be a case in point.

September 30, 2011 1:15 pm

A monktopus, eh? Don’t they prey on prawns?☺
After clicking on the link Steven Mosher provided, I see that Dr Lucia is going ballistic. There’s no way a fair debate could be held on her blog.

kim
September 30, 2011 1:18 pm

moshe, his high and mightiness has used lucia’s name, at least once, so you can drop that trope. I’d put them both in timeout, together.
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kim
September 30, 2011 1:26 pm

And he used ‘Lucia’, which is how she identified herself on the thread. That seems normal, at least to me.
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Joel Shore
September 30, 2011 2:52 pm

davidmhoffer says:

There’s one point that I’d like to add that I’ve found also leaves the warmists with little to say, and that is to expand upon the fact that P (watts/m2) varies directly not with T (in degrees K) but with T raised to the power of 4. This implies a natural NEGATIVE feedback in and of itself that I rarely see addressed at all. Every degree of warming raises the number of watts/m2 to result in the next degree of warming.

The fact that this constitutes a “negative feedback” is either implicitly or explicitly understood. When it is implicitly understood, scientists define the first-order temperature effect by how much the temperature has to rise to overcome the radiative imbalance implied by the forcing. So, this becomes the zeroth-order temperature change…and any increase or decrease in this zeroth-order effect is describes by subsequent feedbacks.
When it is explicitly understood, scientists will define the zeroth-order effect simply as the increase in radiative forcing (rather than a certain change in temperature) and then the Stefan-Boltzmann Equation is indeed considered to be an important negative feedback that serves to restore radiative balance.
Either way of looking at the problem yields the same answer to any specific question (like how much will the temperature rise?) and hence it is sort of a matter of personal preference which view to adopt.
To be continued…with comments on the rest of your post…

Julian Flood
September 30, 2011 3:12 pm

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[Reply: You should give the translation when posting: “He has gained every point, who has combined the useful with the agreeable.” ~dbs, mod.]
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May I refer the honourable gentleman to:
Monckton of Brenchley says:
September 30, 2011 at 6:03 am
JF

Monckton of Brenchley
September 30, 2011 3:36 pm

To Scottish Sceptic: Thank you very much for being so kind about my Commentary for Remote Sensing, and for suggesting that I should produce a simpler version. Normally I’d do just that, but this time I’m reluctant, because in certain quarters every simplification, however justifiable, is pounced on and denounced as though it were a fundamental error.
For instance, Stephen Mosher, who has been participating rather negatively but not learnedly in this thread, has recent called me silly names because, he says, I was wrong to state that Dr. Hansen had used the first differential of the fundamental equation of radiative transfer in his ground-breaking paper of 1984, from which the IPCC has scarcely departed since. And Lucia Liljegren, also more incandescent than luminescent, has demanded that I should explain that differential to her and has said that not only I but Kimoto (2009) have used it incorrectly.
The fundamental equation of radiative transfer is
F = (epsilon)(sigma)(T^4),
where F is radiative flux, epsilon is emissivity (usually taken as constant at unity), sigma is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant 5.67 x 10^-8 W/m^2/K^-4, and T is global mean temperature at the characteristic-emission surface of an astronomical body. It is one of the great equations of classical physics.
One thing one needs to know – indeed, THE thing one needs to know in the climate debate – is how much temperature change we shall get in response to a given change in radiative flux. Taking the first differential of the equation tells us that, because the differential is the change in temperature per unit change in radiative flux.
The differential can be written in various forms. The one used by Kimoto (2009) and by me is –
delta-T / delta-F = T / (4F).
It’s as simple as that. Since this differential is expressed in terms of both T and F, we can drop out the two constants epsilon and sigma, because they have already done their work in determining the relative magnitudes of T and F.
Now, Hansen’s 1984 paper, contrary to what Stephen Mosher says, of course uses the first differential of the Stefan-Boltzmann equation in his 1984 paper. However, he uses a different but functionally-identical form:
delta-T / delta-F = [4(epsilon)(sigma)(T^3)]^-1
I say “functionally-identical” because the two expressions of course give an identical result: they are saying the same thing in slightly different language.
Just to confuse matters, Hansen makes a mistake in his Eq. (13), in which the differential appears, omitting the vital factor 4 in the written expression, though coming to the right answer all the same.
Let us demonstrate that these two forms of the differential are functionally identical by applying both forms of the differential at the characteristic-emission surface of the Earth, around 5 km above mean sea level, where incoming and outgoing radiative fluxes balance by definition.
We know that the incoming flux is 1368 Watts per square meter, measured by cavitometers on satellites. We divide this by 4 to allow for the ratio of the surface area of the disk that the Earth presents to the Sun’s incoming radiation to the surface area of the rotating sphere, and we also reduce it by 30% to allow for the Earth’s albedo, which reflects that proportion of the Sun’s rays harmlessly straight back into space. So the net incoming flux at the characteristic-emission altitude is
F = (1368/4)(1 – 0.3) = 239.4 W/m^2.
Now we need to find the characteristic-emission temperature using a rearrangement of the SB equation:
T = [F/(epsilon x sigma)]^0.25 = [239.4 / (1 x 5.67×10^-8)]^0.25 = 254.9 K.
So, using Kimoto’s version of the differential –
delta-T / delta-F = T / (4F) = 254.9 / (4 x 239.4) = 0.266 K/W/m^2.
And using Hansen’s version (corrected to include the factor 4):
delta-T / delta-F = 1 / [4(epsilon)(sigma)(T^3)] = 0.266 K/W/m^2.
So the two results agree, as one would expect them to. This nicely demonstrates that Kimoto’s differential (albeit that, like Trenberth’s, it was inappropriately taken at the Earth’s surface, which was precisely why I used it in looking at Trenberth’s error and at the consequent implicit low climate sensitivity) is indeed in one of the correct forms, despite all the screeching to the contrary that has been going on.
It also nicely demonstrates that Hansen was erroneous in dropping the factor 4 in the written expression of the differential used in his equation (13), though this was merely a typographical error – the result is given correctly as 0.27 K/W/m^2. No doubt it was this typo – easily enough done – that confused Stephen Mosher, along with the fact that Hansen’s expression of the differential was not the same as Kimoto’s, though it was nonetheless the same differential: but he would have been wiser to be more cautious before indulging in name-calling.
Now, this is just part of the mathematical background to just one of the 15 separate climate sensitivities I had sketched out in my very compressed Commentary. And, unfortunately, there are those – knowing little or nothing about what they are talking about – who will sound off in a manner that is as offensive as it is ignorant, because for whatever reason they are desperate to prove the sceptical case to be wrong. The correct approach is dispassionate, and it does require a level of mathematical knowledge that many of those who have been writing silly remarks in this thread manifestly do not possess.
So, if I may, I shall eschew any further simplification for now and continue with my economic researches. Once they are published (probably not in a reviewed journal, because the results – though correct – are fascinatingly counter-consensual), I shall be writing a book about the climate. I have long had to be careful not to allow time-wasters to divert me. Time-wasting and name-calling, together with relentless character-assassination, are among the many malevolent methods used by the forces of darkness to disrupt not just little me but the process of science itself.

Michael Larkin
September 30, 2011 3:45 pm

My original comment about Lucia’s rudeness wasn’t to complain about her not using Christopher Monckton’s title of “lord”. I’m a Brit, and like many other Brits, don’t myself hold with titles like that, though I often do observe titles such as professor or doctor.
It’s just, as one professor has remarked, that the bald “Monckton”, especially when one knows he is the author of this thread and is following replies, is lacking in respect, and one shouldn’t be surprised if that is mirrored in his response – not as tit-for-tat, but to draw Lucia’s attention to what it feels like to be treated with disrespect.
I think Christopher Monckton has a rather impish sense of humour and quite frequently indulges in a bit of self-mockery with the use of Latin and the occasional florid phrase. But he is extremely far from being an idiot: he can show me a clean pair of heels when it comes to climate science and maths, that’s for sure.

TerryMN
September 30, 2011 3:45 pm

Venter: Spot on PaulM. Lucia’s completely lost it here. She reacted to CM like a bull reacts to red flag, purely based on emotion, throwing caution and reason to the winds and has come out of the whole issue with a poorer reputation.She’s done everything wrong.
Not the math, Venter. On that, she’s correct.

Gail Combs
September 30, 2011 4:40 pm

Monckton of Brenchley says: September 30, 2011 at 3:36 pm
“….So, if I may, I shall eschew any further simplification for now and continue with my economic researches. Once they are published (probably not in a reviewed journal, because the results – though correct – are fascinatingly counter-consensual), …..”
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Do let us know when those economic researches are publish if that is OK with Anthony. It would seem we can not disentangle CAGW from economics at this point so that is another subject the informed voter needs to be “au courant.”

OK S.
September 30, 2011 4:57 pm

Kim,
What? No poetical insights?
How about something from Oxenham?

To every mind there openeth,
A Way, and Ways, and a Way,
A High Soul climbs the High Way,
And the Low Soul gropes the Low,
And in between on the misty flats,
The rest drift to and fro.
But to every man there openeth,
A High Way and a Low,
And every mind decideth,
The Way his soul shall go.

Roy Weiler
September 30, 2011 5:32 pm

Lord Monckton:
I am severely disappointed, Lucia has raised significant mathematical concerns about your approach to this issue, and I am finding you wanting. You are taking the approach of Mann and Hansen in your defense, and as a serious doubter of AGW you are making the issue look very poor.
I have learned it is not a wise man that duels over mathematics with Lucia. If you have a true case to make, please make it. This hand waving is getting a bit tedious. I am not interested in your new book, I am interested in getting to the bottom line. Is there a problem or not. Lucia has made a solid case, I want to hear the proper rebuttal of this, as it has not been forthcoming. Making Lucia your enemy will not further your cause, nor mine. Honestly, if she can verify your math, the case for weak AGW is better stated.
Roy Weiler

Editor
September 30, 2011 6:06 pm

Septic Matthew says:
September 30, 2011 at 10:55 am

I should add that, if increased temperatures produce increased cloud cover and increased rain, WUWT should revisit the paper in Nature last winter that showed an increase, across decades, in the maximum recorded rainfalls in the American Central regions. Willis Eschenbach wrote a somewhat insightful but seriously flawed critique of it here on WUWT. While no paper can be perfect, that was fundamentally sound, and will hopefully be followed by other papers using the same methodology (using the generalized extreme value distribution to model extremes.)

Matthew, I loved the description of my work, which you call “somewhat insightful but seriously flawed”. I leave it to the reader to read the citation and make up their own mind whether I am either insightful, flawed, or both.
Or neither …
Thanks,
w.

Bill Illis
September 30, 2011 6:09 pm

John Mason says:
September 30, 2011 at 12:53 pm
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The calculated (rather than guessed at) estimates of CO2 levels at the 750 Mya snowball Earth are 5,000 ppm and for the 635 Mya snowball Earth, 12,000 ppm. CO2 needs to be something close to 300,000 ppm to end these snowballs but obviously it wasn’t CO2 (the supercontinents over the south pole broke up and drifted away from the poles and toward the equator – melting the 5 km high glaciers).
http://www.snowballearth.org/Bao08.pdf
http://www.meteo.mcgill.ca/~tremblay/Courses/ATOC530/Hyde.et.al.Nature.2000.pdf

Jim D
September 30, 2011 6:32 pm

Bill Illis, taking your 33% albedo for the ice ages, gives a forcing difference of about 10-11 W/m2 for a temperature difference of 6-8 degrees. This is a high sensitivity.

Joel Shore
September 30, 2011 6:44 pm

davidmhoffer says:

At -40 degrees C, an additional 3.7 w/m2 would result in about 0.5 degrees of warming. At +40 degrees C, an additional 3.7 w/m2 would result in about 1.4 degrees of warming. The notion that the earth would warm 1 degree (or 1.1 or 1.9 or 6.8 or 0.0002 or whatever the actual number is) is a fallacy in and of itself. There is no such thing as an “average” increase in the earth’s temperature that is uniform.
Most of any actual warming would be at the lowest temperatures (where the biosphere gains the most benefit from both increased CO2 AND increased temperatures) and very little warming would occur at peak temperatures during the day (by comparison). So, the bulk of any warming would be at night time lows, at high latitudes, in winter. Day time highs in summer in low latitudes would change very little. The polar bears get to sleep through -36 instead of -40 and the palm trees must suffer day time highs of +38.5 instead of +38.0 to wind up with an “average” of plus one degree.

There are are at least a few things wrong with this analysis:
(1) Most importantly, the local surface temperature response to warming is not determined by considering the local radiative balance at the surface. In fact, there is no evidence that I know of that this is even good as some sort of very rough approximation. The troposphere is strongly coupled by convection and advection. The place to apply radiation balance is at the top-of-the-atmosphere, where one knows that the only interaction across the boundary is radiative.
(2) While it is true that the temperature rise is not uniform, it is not correct that this non-uniformity will magically make it negligible. On the positive side may be the fact that temperatures will warm more in the polar regions than at the equator (although it probably has only little to do with your reasons) and more at night than during the day, but there are negative sides too: One is that the climate will warm more over the continents than the oceans and the land is where we actually live. Also, because oceans make up over 70% of the surface area, the average temperature rise computed is weighted much more heavily toward the rise over the oceans than the rise over the continents. Furthermore, because of the simple facts of surface area on a sphere, half of the surface area of the earth lies between 30 S latitude and 30 N latitude and only 13.4% total lies poleward of 60 N latitude or 60 S latitude. This means, once again, that the average temperature over the earth’s surface is weighted much more strongly by what happens in the tropics and much less strongly by what happens near the poles. [Considering all this perhaps makes it more clear why a ~4-7 C difference in average global temperatures made the difference between Ice Age conditions and our current interglacial conditions.] So, yes, the average may be a somewhat deceiving number but going beyond it, while making things rosier in some ways, makes things decidedly less rosy in others.

Septic Matthew
September 30, 2011 7:07 pm

Lord Monckton wrote: The fundamental equation of radiative transfer is
F = (epsilon)(sigma)(T^4),
where F is radiative flux, epsilon is emissivity (usually taken as constant at unity), sigma is the Stefan-Boltzmann constant 5.67 x 10^-8 W/m^2/K^-4, and T is global mean temperature at the characteristic-emission surface of an astronomical body. It is one of the great equations of classical physics.
One thing one needs to know – indeed, THE thing one needs to know in the climate debate – is how much temperature change we shall get in response to a given change in radiative flux. Taking the first differential of the equation tells us that, because the differential is the change in temperature per unit change in radiative flux.
The differential can be written in various forms. The one used by Kimoto (2009) and by me is –
delta-T / delta-F = T / (4F).
It’s as simple as that. Since this differential is expressed in terms of both T and F, we can drop out the two constants epsilon and sigma, because they have already done their work in determining the relative magnitudes of T and F.
Now, Hansen’s 1984 paper, contrary to what Stephen Mosher says, of course uses the first differential of the Stefan-Boltzmann equation in his 1984 paper. However, he uses a different but functionally-identical form:
delta-T / delta-F = [4(epsilon)(sigma)(T^3)]^-1
I say “functionally-identical” because the two expressions of course give an identical result: they are saying the same thing in slightly different language.

Is that all this is about?
delta-T / delta-F = T / (4F)
can be derived from
delta-T / delta-F = [4(epsilon)(sigma)(T^3)]^-1
by multiplying the RHS by 1 = (epsilon)(sigma)(T^4)/F.
Isn’t that so? What have I missed?

Stephen Wilde
September 30, 2011 7:07 pm

I find that I both agree and disagree with each of Christopher and Willis.
The effect of doubling CO2 might be around 1C all other things being equal but all other things are not equal.
The water cycle based system response wipes out most or all of that 1C.
Christopher correctly accepts the greenhouse effect in principle but needs to go a step further and incorporate a changing size or speed for the water cycle as a negative system response.
Willis rightly observes the system response in the tropics but needs to extend that principle globally. I contend that not only is there increased activity in the tropics in response to warming but additionally the entire global surface air pressure distributiuon participates in the negative system response.
If a warming or cooling effect from oceans or sun tries to alter the current system temperature then the climate zones just change size, intensity and latitudinal positions to efficiently negate that forcing by altering the size or speed of the water cycle to adjust the rate at which energy leaves to space.
The system response to changes in the quantity of GHGs is just the same but needs to be infinitesimal in comparison because the solar and oceanic forcings are so vast in comparison.
There really is not much more to say about so called anthropogenic climate change except perhaps when Murry Salby firms up on his view that the increase in CO2 has not been much to do with human emissions either.
The end of this ridiculous panic is in sight, but the cost has been, and continues to be, frightening.

Septic Matthew
September 30, 2011 7:21 pm

Willis Eschenbach: Matthew, I loved the description of my work,
by the time I read your review, read the original paper, and then reread your review the thread was dead, so I didn’t post. There are not any perfect papers, but I think that one was worthy, and worth your rereading some time.
Your comment on the fitting of the generalized extreme value distributions to regions and standardizing regions with respect to an upper quantile was “Huh?”
I also think it supports your basic theme that, as the Earth warms, each additional increase in 1K of temperature is more counteracted by the natural processes. It’s a nonlinear feedback from output states to input rates, not unlike the Lottka-Volterra equations, only without all the parts of the mechanism yet identified and quantified. As the U.S. slightly warmed during the 20th century, the extreme rainfalls slightly increased. We may be approaching a point where increased warming is squelched by increased rainfall extremes.
I think you can estimate relationships from the TAO data that you alerted us to. I am working on it, and if I get anything I’ll let you know. There’s rainfall, wind, humidity etc data; it’s not all perfectly matched except at a few sites for some timelines, but there’s lots to look at.

Septic Matthew
September 30, 2011 7:26 pm

Stephen Wilde wrote: Stephen Wilde says:
September 30, 2011 at 7:07 pm

Maybe (my other post agrees), but we must “nail it” as they say in other fields.