Video analysis and scene replication suggests that Al Gore's Climate Reality Project fabricated their Climate 101 video "Simple Experiment"

UPDATE2 10/18/2011 – The experiment has been replicated several ways, see:

Replicating Al Gore’s Climate 101 video experiment shows that his “high school physics” could never work as advertised

UPDATE: New images added prove without a doubt the faked split screen. See below.

It has been over a week now since the Gore-a-thon aka “24 hours of climate reality”. The front page of the Climate Reality Project has changed from “live mode” to offering clips of video shown during the 24 hour presentation. Note the circled video on the front page below Mr. Gore. I’ve discovered that by watching carefully it reveals an “inconvenient truth” of the worst kind.

Analysis of this “Climate 101” video highlighted on Mr. Gore’s website is something I’ve been working on for the past week and a half. It has been carefully reviewed (with video graphics tools) and has been inspected by a number of science, engineering, and television professionals I’ve had review the video, my video captures, annotations, and writeup to be certain I have not missed anything or come to an erroneous conclusion. It also took me awhile to locate and get the items shipped to me to do the work I needed before I wrote this article. Now that I have them, and have done some simple replications to confirm my suspicions, I can write about them while presenting corroborating photographic evidence.

First, I wish to direct your attention to this video, produced by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project titled “Climate 101”.  I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:20. I suggest you click on the little X-arrow icon to expand full screen of the right of the slider tool bar, since this video is in high-definition and the details of my concerns require that higher resolution to view them properly.

It is worth watching a couple of times to get fully familiar with the sequence.

I’ve been in television broadcasting for over 20 years, and I’m quite familiar with editing tricks, I think I spotted more than a few in the video.

There are five scenes that appear, each an edit in that 20 second span of video during which an experiment is set up which supposedly demonstrates that CO2 in a heated jar causes that jar to be warmer than a second heated jar with ambient air in it.

In that 20 second span, I looked for things that changed, indicating that it wasn’t done in a continuous shot. I found evidence that the scene was changed at least three times, suggesting multiple takes.

The giveaways were that I saw objects change in the scene, most notably the CO2 tank, which has three different rotation positions. See the video captures from the Climate 101 video below, with my annotations. Note the position of the safety valve (1) and the label (2) change (click images for HD resolution):

Climate 101 scene @1:01 –

Climate 101 scene @1:05 –

Climate 101 scene @1:09 –

(UPDATE 10:27AM : spotted by commenter “mkelly” – note the thermometers are reversed in the 1:05 video capture versus the 1:09 video capture – note the green card mark on the thermometer scale as explained further in the story) So clearly, this wasn’t done in one take. By itself, there’s nothing wrong with that, but it did make me wonder why for such a simple sequence (putting the tube in the jar) they had to have three separate edits.

Such a simple thing could surely have been accomplished in a single take. All they would have had to do was zoom the camera in/out as the actor did the work, then take the appropriate scenes from the single shot to the final cut. They could have done several continuous takes and chosen the best one, it just seemed odd they had to keep moving/rotating the bottle to do it. It made me wonder if the experiment maybe didn’t go so well and they had to keep trying it.

These scene discontinuities made me curious, and it made me look further to see what else might have been edited in such a way to reveal that what looks like a continuous flow of scenes…actually isn’t.

I’m glad I did.

Now I know there will be lots of arguments about whether this experiment is a valid test of CO2 greenhouse theory or not. It is deceptively simple, and it fits with the claims of it is “high school physics” made by Al Gore and others before and during the 24 hour Climate Reality Project. His specific claim was:

“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011

Let’s put the arguments about applicability of the experiment aside for the moment, and just concentrate on what was presented in the experiment section of the video, because there is plenty to look at in the video with a skeptical eye.

One thing that caught my eye after I noticed the edits with the CO2 tank positions changing was the split screen scene with the thermometers side by side, one with temperature rising faster than the other. It is located starting at 1:10 in the video continuing to 1:17 it is the longest “continuous” scene in experiment section of the video, though we all know that thermometers don’t jump up in spurts like that.

I figured at first they just cut down a longer continuous scene, done with two cameras, so that it fit into the time allotted and then rotated from horizontal and edited them in split screen, which are tried and true techniques, and there’s nothing wrong with doing that.

But thanks to the fact that this was shot in HD video, and because I was able to expand the video to full resolution outside of the web page format bounding, I noticed something that gave me reason to doubt the veracity of this section of video. I suspected it had been faked, but it would take me some time and materials to prove it.

One thing that struck me was how clean the image of the two thermometers was. Remember this is an experiment where the two thermometers are placed inside two glass jars. A proper experimental procedure would be to film them while they are inside of the jars, experiencing the conditions of the experiment, in fact, they were presented just like that with a closeup at 1:02 in the video, you can actually read the thermometer scale:

Note this video capture at 1:02 looks quite different from the video at 1:17 showing the thermometers split screen. There are several differences:

1. Throughout the video from 1:00 to 1:20, the thermometers in the jar are shown horizontal, the split screen at 1:17 shows the thermometers vertical.

2. There’s a greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all.

3. The split screen thermometer scene has not a hint of the optical distortion seen at 1:02 in the video. Note that the thermometer scale is distorted by the glass, and if you look closely by expanding the video capture above to full resolution by clicking on it, you’ll see that the tick marks are distorted differently all along the scale. This is what you would expect from thick glass like the jar is made of.

I considered these possibilities for each point above:

1. That was editing to show the thermometers side by side, perfectly acceptable if the edit was done from combining two separate video streams filmed simultaneously on two cameras while the temperature was rising inside the jar. Cutting down the time is also acceptable, which would account for the “spurts”

2. They may have placed a paper or cardboard background behind the thermometers while filming in the jars to make the scales more visible and to remove visual clutter, but didn’t show it in the video. While using such backgrounds is understandable, not showing that you have done so is a bit of a no-no, but it isn’t a deal killer.

3. While I thought about it a lot, I couldn’t reconcile the glass caused optical distortion issue. Why was it missing from the split screen thermometer scene? I decided I couldn’t  answer the question without getting my hands on the objects and re-creating the optical situation with a camera.

That took some doing, because Al’s “high school physics” experiment didn’t come with a bill of materials and list of suppliers. So, in my spare time I started looking for the jars, the thermometers, and the globes so that I could exactly recreate the experiment scene.

I found them all, thanks to Google visual image search and Ebay.

Replicating the scene – materials:

Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543

Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury

http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/

Globe Coin Bank

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386

It took a few days for everything to arrive from the three different suppliers, here they are all together on my desk at work, I actually bought two sets:

What I wanted to do was to recreate the closeup shot like we see in the video at 1:02 to see if I saw similar optical distortions, then see if there was any way that I could get a clear closeup view of the thermometer scale like we see in the split screen at 1:10-1:17.

My theory was that the thermometers aren’t actually in the jar when they were photographed for the split screen.

Checking for optical aberrations:

I used a piece of double-sided foam tape to affix the thermometer:

Here’s a closeup of the thermometer affixed to the globe. Note how clear and distortion free the scale is.

Here’s my attempts at photography of the thermometer inside the jar. I had a lot of trouble getting focused on the thermometer scale due to the autofocus mechanism being distracted by the glass which is in the foreground. Note that you can see the optical aberrations caused by the glass on the thermometer scale. The scale is not straight and the tick marks are also distorted.

Here’s another photo – I could not get the macro view focus right due to the glass confusing the autofocus sensor:

I decided that my camera was inadequate for this particular task, so I called in a someone who has a professional camera with a high quality professional lens capable of manual focus and macro function. It is a far cry from my little Kodak Easy Share Z1012 used to make the photos above:

  • Camera – Canon 1D Mark IV
  • Lens – Canon MACRO 100mm 1:2.8 L IS USM

Just as I did with my clunky little Kodak camera, the photographer had a lot of trouble getting a clear shot through the glass. Below is a collection of shots done by that photographer at different distances and focus settings on the professional camera. Note that I also rotated the jar to see is different sections made anything clearer. Click any thumbnail to enlarge it (warning large download ~ 10MB each)

The professional photography setup also could not capture an image through the glass jar that looked as clear as what was shown by my photo with the thermometer outside the glass, or as clear as the split screen images presented in the Climate 101 video from 1:10 to 1:17. I invite readers to inspect the images above carefully, examine the EXIF data of the unedited original JPEG images presented at the native resolution of the Canon 1D camera at 4296×3264 pixels and examine for yourselves if it is possible to shoot the thermometer scale through the glass and get an image that is free from any distortions.

Neither I nor the professional photographer could get a clear image through the jar glass that matched the clarity of the thermometer scales seen in the split screen, so I am forced to conclude that in the split screen scene from 1:10 to 1:17 on the Climate 101 video, the thermometers are not in the jars.

But wait, there’s more.

The background behind the thermometers:

Remember point 2 above where I was concerned about the greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video from 1:00 to 1:20? Well, there’s something odd about that too. The background appears identical in both sides of the split screen. What first tipped me off was a speck on the thermometer.

Here’s a video capture from the start of the split screen sequence. I’ve highlighted something I found curious, a speck on the thermometer scale that appears on both thermometers:

At first I thought it was dust, but then I realized that wasn’t possible, as dust would NOT appear identically on both thermometers in the split screen. I surmised it might be a manufacturing defect, printed on the scale. Fortunately, I have two thermometers from the same manufacturer that I can compare to. Here’s my closeup of them:

Nope, no speck, so it isn’t a manufacturing defect common to all thermometers.

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Side note: Note above in the thermometer closeup how the scales are offset, this is due to the manufacturer hand calibrating these glass thermometers by trimming the card with the scale printed on it so 98.6 lines up with the top of the fluid line when the thermometers are placed in the temperature test well. Glassblowing is an inexact science, and each thermometer must be calibrated by a technician, then sealed. You can see how the cards don’t match here:

We can see this in the Climate 101 video also:

The green section of the card for the scale is clearly different lengths as part of the trimming process for calibration, so clearly we have two different thermometers.

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OK, back to the main issue.

In addition to the identical speck on the two thermometer scales, I noted several other identical specks and aberrations in the split screen video. I’ve listed them by number on two video captures below from two different times in the video (click images to enlarge for best viewing):

Climate 101 video @1:10 –

Climate 101 video @1:16 –

I have 8 labeled points that are identical between each frame @1:10 and @ 1:16 In fact they are identical on every video frame from 1:10 to 1:17. The only thing that changes is the blue liquid in the thermometer tube.

  1. Dots on left top glass edge match exactly
  2. Speck on right top glass edge matches exactly
  3. Smudge/discoloration near number “38” on scale matches exactly
  4. Speck in background matches exactly
  5. Speck near number 98 on scale matches exactly
  6. Tick mark pattern near number “36” matches exactly
  7. Smudge in background matches exactly
  8. Reflective highlight in glass tube matches exactly
  9. While not numbered, note how the background shading matches exactly

Conclusions

With 9 points of agreement between the two images through all video frames there is only one possible conclusion:

The split screen is showing the same piece of video, shot by a single camera and edited to make it appear as two separate pieces of video with two separate thermometers. All that is required is to apply edits along different portions of the timeline. It is the same video shot by the same camera on each side of the split screen.

Summary of what was discovered:

  1. The video of the experiment showing filling of the jar with CO2 was shot in multiple takes because the CO2 cylinder has three different positions between 1:00 and 1:10. It suggests the experiment didn’t go smoothly and had to be repeated.
  2. The thermometers in the split screen appear not to have been filmed through the glass of the jars, because the split screen video contains no optical aberrations of any kind. Neither myself nor the photographer with professional gear was able to get clear shots through the jar glass that equaled the clarity of the thermometer scales shown in the split screen video. This strongly suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video showing temperature rise.
  3. The greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all, and not in the jars, suggesting it was used only for that scene, which also suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video sequence.
  4. The video of the split screen shows two identical backgrounds, and two identical thermometers with 9 points of exact agreement in the backgrounds and the thermometers. Clearly the split screen contains two copies of the same video from one camera, edited in the timeline to make the liquid in the thermometer rise at different rates.

The only conclusion one can make from these four points is that the video of the “simple experiment” is a complete fabrication done in post production.

I’ve double checked my work, and I’ve had other people look at this video and the points I make and they see the same issues. They concur the video of the experiment was fabricated using editing techniques too.

While everyone can make mistakes (I know, I’ve made some big ones myself), this isn’t a case of a simple mistake, its a production that had to have been screened and approved before releasing it. It is mind blowing that this video, which was intended to be shown to millions of people (recall that Mr. Gore’s claim was 8.6 million views), was not clearly identified as an illustration or artistic license and not a true record of an experiment if that was their intent. Yet, they invite viewers to try replicating it themselves.

This level of fabrication on something that is so simple makes me wonder. Mr. Gore claimed in the MNN interview on 9/14 that:

“It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.”

Why then, does Mr. Gore’s organization go to such lengths to fabricate the presentation of the “simple high school physics experiment” they say proves the issue in that venue? Perhaps they couldn’t get the experiment to work properly using the materials chosen?  Maybe it might not be so easy to perform at home after all? Maybe a few controls are necessary such as the Mythbusters team used in the video below. Why else would they need to fake it in post?

Even if Mr. Gore and his team wanted to claim “artistic license” for editing the video for the experiment, why would they do so if it is so easy to replicate and do yourself? The narrator, Bill Nye the Science Guy actually invites people to do so at about 0:46 in the video. Why not simply do the experiment and record the results for all to see? Of course a one word lower third caption on the video at that point saying “DRAMATIZATION” would be all that was needed to separate a real experiment from one fabricated in post production – but they didn’t do that. I’ve watched the film several times, checked the audio, and the credits at the end. There is no mention nor notice of any dramatization regarding the “simple experiment” segment that I can find.

If Mr. Gore’s team actually performed the experiment and has credible video documenting the success of his simple “high school physics” exercise, I suggest that in the interest of clarity, now is the time to make it available.

About the experiment:

So far all I’ve concentrated on is the stagecraft I observed. It’s clearly obvious that the split screen scene with thermometers was not filmed inside the cookie jars. I’ve established that it is a staged production from start to finish and the split screen of two thermometers but was edited from a continuous video of a single thermometer with temperature rising then frame sequences were inserted out of order to compose each side of the split screen.

Of course the whole Climate 101 CO2 experiment is questionable to begin with, because it doesn’t properly emulate the physical mechanisms involved in heating our planet. Note the heat lamps used, likely one of these based on the red color we see in the lamp fixture:

Heat lamps like this produce visible red light and short wave infrared (SWIR is 1.4-3 µm wavelength). As we know from the classic greenhouse effect, glass blocks infrared so none of the SWIR was making it into the cookie jar. All that would do is heat the glass. John Tyndall’s 1850’s experiments used rock salt windows, which transmit infrared, for exactly that reason. Adding insult to injury, CO2 has no SWIR absorption bands. What CO2 does have though is higher density than air. The gas in the cookie jars was primarily heated by conduction in contact with the SWIR-heated glass.

Moreover, the CO2 injection in one cookie jar would raise it from 0.04% CO2 to very near 100% CO2 which is hardly comparable to the atmosphere going from 0.03% to 0.04% CO2 during the industrial age. Gore’s team provides no indication of the concentration of CO2 in the jar, that’s hardly scientific. Here’s how current greenhouse theory works:

Graphic by Ira Glickstein, PhD. for WUWT - click image for source article

All that said, in principle it does demonstrate that CO2 absorbs long wave infrared (LWIR 8–15 µm). Energy would likely be transmitted into the gas through conduction with the heated glass (which would likely get very hot) and it would then re-radiate inside the cookie jar as LWIR, and cause the CO2 jar to heat up faster and higher. But this is hardly news. The LWIR absorptive characteristics of many different gases under different pressures and mixtures was experimentally verified in thousands of experiments performed by Tyndall 150 years ago.

With this apparatus Tyndall observed new chemical reactions produced by high frequency light waves acting on certain vapors. The main scientific interest here, from his point of view, was the additional hard data it lent to the grand question of the mechanism by which molecules absorb radiant energy. Image: Wikipedia

This characteristic of CO2 is the theory of operation for millions of CO2 sensors routinely employed in commercial buildings with high occupancy rates to determine when ventilation fans should turn on and off to exhaust the CO2 buildup from a lot of people breathing the same air in a confined space.

So while some might say the stagecraft involved in the Climate 101 presentation wasn’t dishonest it was most assuredly staged with great literary license and dramatization of an effect that was experimentally verified elsewhere with far greater precision and attention to replicating the real world.

I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.

If Mr. Gore wants to convince the world, he’d do far better at emulating the Mythbusters TV show; show all the materials, steps, measurement, and results like they do.

As it stands, the video fabrications in the “simple experiment” by Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project is no better than the stagecraft done by Senator Tim Wirth turning off the air conditioning (to make it hot in the room) when Dr. James Hansen testified before lawmakers in June 1988 about CO2 being a problem.

The public, and especially young budding scientific minds, deserve better than stagecraft.

Of course LWIR radiative CO2 heat retention is only a small part of the global warming issue. There are still raging debates over climate sensitivity, uncertainty, feedbacks, and most recently whether clouds provide positive or negative feedbacks in our atmosphere.

But from my point of view, if everything is so certain, the science so settled, why does Mr. Gore resort to these cheap stagecraft tricks to convince people?

UPDATE: In comments, Mariss Freimanis runs a Photoshop difference analysis, proving the split screen image is the same. He emailed his analysis to me, shown below.

analysis_before
analysis_right_thermo

From Mariss

1) I have attached ‘analysis_before’ which is a cropped shot of your original with it’s circles and arrows.

2) The ‘analysis_right_thermo’ is the right thermometer overlaid already positioned to overlay the the left thermometer.

3) The ‘image_analysis_after’ shows the results of subtracting away the right overlay from the underlying left image.

Comments:

1) The  attached jpegs are reasonably sized in the sense that they don’t throw away any information. The ‘after’ image black area still contains some residual ‘non-black’ background noise from the subtraction process. This is largely due to my choice of a times-4 repixelation of the original. The image offset was not precisely 0.25 pixels so it reflects some residual image alignment errors.

2) This method reveals minute differences between two images. For the background to be as featureless as it is, it requires both thermometer’s reflections to be identically lit from the exact same light source angle (parallel ray source), their seemingly identical mottled green backgrounds to actually be identical and of course, the thermometers would have to have exactly the same ‘fingerprint’ flaws. It would take one hell of a telephoto lens to see both thermometers from exactly the same perspective. This is inconceivable.

3) The 0.25 pixel offset drift is significant because it reveals the same thermometer was used to sequentially film the composite image. Little things change with time such as thermal expansion. It marks the passage of time. That drift indicates they weren’t filmed simultaneously.

For those that might be concerned about the images above not being full resolution HD and having annotations, here’s the before and after difference image at 1:17 in the video:

original video capture - click to enlarge
difference process run at full resolution - click to enlarge

Note the only thing that changes is the fluid level and the reflection of it (thin line to the right) in the glass tube. This proves the “result” split screen is the same image, not two thermometers showing results.

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DR
September 29, 2011 11:02 am

Dikran Marsupial
I asked Is the “greenhouse effect” exactly the same principle that heats a greenhouse?
You replied:
DR, the answer to your question is “No”
I then provided an example directly from the EPA which I simply cut and paste into my question. Are you saying they are wrong or Nasif Nahle is wrong? What about WHRC? Here’s another:

Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences
In a greenhouse, visible light (e.g., from the Sun) easily penetrates glass or plastic walls, but heat (in the form of infrared radiation) does not. The greenhouse effect refers to the physical process by which atmospheric gases allow sunlight to pass through but absorb infrared radiation thus acting like a blanket trapping heat.
http://www.bigelow.org/virtual/handson/greenhouse_make.html

It is very frustrating when people obfuscate. You did not refute anything that Nasif Nahle demonstrated in his experiment which was a replication of the Wood experiment in ~1909 that was a refutation of Arrhenius as I understand it. Rhetorical essays are not constructive, so please don’t reply unless you have something substantive to add. Arrhenius was sainted as a founding father of modern CO2 AGW “theory”. Yet, after asking the question whether his experiment was ever replicated to support his hypothesis, all we’ve got are these ‘greenhouse in a bottle’ parlor game frauds.
There are many more examples of scientists comparing the atmosphere to that of a real glass greenhouse, not just as an analogy but explaining CO2 “traps heat”, which is another quote that can be found in literally hundreds of publications. Either Mosher is right that some skeptics are on the fringe, or there is an entire educational system that is promoting junk science,
Where is this heat being “trapped”? Isn’t it supposed to be most prominent in the lower and mid tropical tropospheric region?

Dikran Marsupial says:
September 29, 2011 at 9:21 am
DR, the answer to your question is “No”, and this has been known at least since the work of Calendar and Plass in the 1950s. See Spencer Weart’s excellent book and website for the details.
Well thank you, but as Mosher says some skeptics are on the fringe, what should one think about.the EPA and multiple other government agencies and institutions that answers the question “Yes”? To prevent being eaten by the spam bot, here is but a few examples, but there are dozens of others, and it is being taught to students by “scientists”. The ‘Greenhouse effect in a bottle” is no different than a glass greenhouse.
The U.S. government’s Environmental Protection Agency
The energy that is absorbed is converted in part to heat energy that is re-radiated back into the atmosphere. Heat energy waves are not visible, and are generally in the infrared (long-wavelength) portion of the spectrum compared to visible light. Physical laws show that atmospheric constituents— notably water vapor and carbon dioxide gas—that are transparent to visible light are not transparent to heat waves. Hence, re-radiated energy in the infrared portion of the spectrum is trapped within the atmosphere, keeping the surface temperature warm. This phenomenon is called the “greenhouse effect” because it is exactly the same principle that heats a greenhouse
http://www.epa.gov/ne/students/pdfs/activ13.pdf

DirkH
September 29, 2011 11:03 am

Jay says:
September 29, 2011 at 10:12 am
“Something here is ridiculous Anthony.
Hands up anyone who thinks cookery programmes prepare dishes in real time and never do the old one two switcheroo…
No takers? Really?”
They show the same thermometer two times on a split screen, the left one rising slower than the right one. That’s like a cooking show where the food is made from Polyurethan foam and painted while all the participants act as if it were delicious. After the judge tastes the PU spaghetti and gives his verdict, the show would show a recipe to the viewers, describing how to cook real spaghetti but telling the viewers that they’ll get the Polyurethane foam they saw in the show.
That’s the level of CAGW propaganda these days.

September 29, 2011 11:04 am

Henry@Bhat
I am disputing the fact that CO2 causes any warming, and many people here agree with me that nobody has proven that it warms more than it cools.
Using fake experiments as by Al Gore & co. must be exposed.
Try understanding
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/henrys-pool-table-on-global-warming
or show actual evidence that disproves my conclusions?
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/more-carbon-dioxide-is-ok-ok

kwik
September 29, 2011 11:04 am

Harishchandra Bhat says:
September 29, 2011 at 10:53 am
“I would wait for a clarification from Mr.Al Gore. He could be wrong but the mistake may not be deliberate ,if any.The GHGs are affecting the global temperature is undisputed fact. The fact need not be disbilieved simply because somebody has erred in presenting. I still hope that the mitigation of GHG emissions would be seriously undertaken by the human population to prevent the disaster looming at large.”
Really?
So, since it is an undisputed fact, you dont really need to see the the result of this experiment?
Because you “know” the result of the experiment before it is done?
That, Mr. Bhat, is called Confirmation Bias. One of the most dangerous attidutes we have within Science.
You say it is an undisputed fact?
Here is a proffessor, and he is disputing this fact;
http://principia-scientific.org/publications/Experiment_on_Greenhouse_Effect.pdf
This means that you are lying, Mr. Baht. By omission or flat out lying, when you say it is a undisputed fact.

ChE
September 29, 2011 11:07 am

Anthony, what is to stop anyone from performing the experiment at home (for real)?

Go for it.
But remember what Feynman said: “the easiest person to fool is yourself”.

September 29, 2011 11:08 am

The “CO2” jar temperature would most likely be cooled to the temperature of the incoming gas.
The non CO2 jar would have heated up since it had no gas flow to cool it. This was not even high school physics. Any physics teacher would have given an “F” to the “student” who thought up this boondoggle

Nullius in Verba
September 29, 2011 11:09 am

(Apologies for length, my attempts to be brief didn’t work.)
“No, I’m not going to consider a perfectly conductive sphere. I need YOU to consider reality.”
Reality is what I was describing.
“The reality is that the sun heats the ocean, the ocean heats the atmosphere, and the cosmic void cools the atmosphere.”
Yes, right so far.
“The atmosphere is not perfectly conducting and in fact is a rather poor conductor.”
The conducting sphere example was a proof-of-principle experiment to illustrate the point that a temperature difference does not always cause a gradual temperature gradient. You can make the sphere non-conducting if you like, although then it is difficult to get uniform heating. The general result is the same.
“There is a temperature gradient established in the atmosphere from surface to space and it requires absolutely no motion to maintain the gradient.”
If the atmosphere is transparent to IR and does not convect, then all the heat arrives at the surface, radiates from the surface, and the whole atmosphere will eventually settle at the temperature of the surface by conduction, with no thermal gradient.
If the atmosphere is opaque to IR and does not convect or conduct, then the heat arrives at the surface, the IR radiation diffuses through the atmosphere and radiates from the top, and the temperature profile will be approximately *exponential*. You will get a gradual change of temperature but it will not be the linear *adiabatic lapse rate*, which is what I said.
If the atmosphere is opaque to IR and does not convect but does conduct, then the temperature profile will be linear with a gradient that will depend on the thermal conductivity. It’s still not an adiabatic lapse rate.
Only convection and continual vertical movement can drive the gravity-based compression-expansion that maintains the adiabatic lapse rate. Without continual movement, the gravity mechanism people were talking about will have no effect.
Don’t confuse the term “adiabatic lapse rate” with “thermal gradient”. They’re not the same.
“If you believe that to be untrue then your understanding of the real world of everyday objects and how energy moves from warmer to colder is so utterly ignorant that I’m just going to pat you on head like a dumb animal and move along. Got it? Write that down!”
There are some people who find that if the peg doesn’t seem to fit into the hole, they just reach for a hammer. It doesn’t occur to them that perhaps they need to find a differently shaped peg.
You seem to be basing your entire understanding of how energy moves on your everyday experience, which can be misleading. You are no doubt familiar with simple thermal conductors, and understand that if you raise the temperature of one end by heating it, you set up a thermal gradient. But it’s not the temperature difference in itself that causes the gradient, but the way heat flows through it. Different mechanisms can lead to different sorts of gradient, or even none at all.
People were asking about a particular case – the gravity-driven adiabatic compression/expansion – and *in that particular case*, it requires convective motion to maintain it.
It doesn’t imply anything about any other case.
Does that help?

Spike
September 29, 2011 11:13 am

Al “I would be president” Gore has no scruples when it comes to keeping his profits off the climatechange scam flowing. What a jerk!

Dikran Marsupial
September 29, 2011 11:19 am

DR analogies are frequently used to explain complicated scientific ideas, some of them are good, some less good. For instance the car that heats up does at least communicate the idea that the atmosphere is transparent to visible light but not to IR. So while it doesn’t really explain the way the atmospheric greenhouse effect actually works, it isn’t completely wrong either. Neither is the use of analogies based on blankets, they provide some insight, but no where near a complete explanation. It would be pretty tiresome (and rather pointless) to go through all of the analogies that are used by various bodies classifying them as good, bad or indifferent. If you are at the point where you recognise that the analogies are limited, you are ready to move onto the next level of understanding the science. However not everyone (and that includes me) can jump straight to that level in one go, so there is some value in greatly simplified analogies.
You write: “You did not refute anything that Nasif Nahle demonstrated in his experiment which was a replication of the Wood experiment in ~1909 that was a refutation of Arrhenius as I understand it. ” Yes, this is very much the point I was making, we have known that Arrhenius did not have the proper understanding of the detailed mechanism for a very long time; which is why Nahle’s confirmation of Wood’s experiment tells us nothing about the atmospheric greenhouse effect.
If you want to understand how the greenhouse effect works, why not start by reading the works of Gilbert Plass?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Plass

wobble
September 29, 2011 11:26 am

Dave Springer says:
September 29, 2011 at 5:25 am
There is a temperature gradient established in the atmosphere from surface to space and it requires absolutely no motion to maintain the gradient.

And there is also an Adiabatic Lapse Rate that requires no temperature gradient to maintain it.
Combined together, they form the Environmental Lapse Rate. Now, what’s your point?

September 29, 2011 11:28 am

DR says: or there is an entire educational system that is promoting junk science,
Henry
Yes unfortunately there is in fact an entire half generation that has been promoting junk science
They don’t really understand the GH effect and the principle of re-radiation
in fact, they don’t want to understand
because it will affect their pockets
This misunderstanding is similar to not understanding to those profiting why slavery in the past was bad.
It all has to do with economics.
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/the-greenhouse-effect-and-the-principle-of-re-radiation-11-Aug-2011

JPeden
September 29, 2011 11:34 am

Dikran Marsupial says:
September 29, 2011 at 10:12 am
I’d be happy with the compromise that at least since the start of the Mauna Loa dataset the rise in atmospheric CO2 has been 100% anthropogenic and 0% natural.
Ok by me, but only if you compromise by admitting that, since the “CO2 = AGW” hypotheses, a.k.a.”the [GCM] physics”, have not been successful in producing even one relevant empirically verified prediction so far, either the hypotheses have been falsified or the “Climate Scientists” involved are not practicing real scientific method and principle science, or both – since the complete failure of Climate Science’s “predictions” doesn’t seem to bother the “Climate Scientists” in the least!
Mr. Marsupial, would it really be such a difficult “compromise” for you to admit to the reality involving over 20 years now of “Climate Science”? Or would that be unfair because your acknowledged evolutionary state simply does not allow for that?
Hey, I’d even be willing to admit that Carl Sagan is certainly no match for The Prophet, if that would make you feel better!

DR
September 29, 2011 11:36 am

Dikran Marsupial

Here’s another:
Bigelow Laboratory for Ocean Sciences
In a greenhouse, visible light (e.g., from the Sun) easily penetrates glass or plastic walls, but heat (in the form of infrared radiation) does not. The greenhouse effect refers to the physical process by which atmospheric gases allow sunlight to pass through but absorb infrared radiation thus acting like a blanket trapping heat.
http://www.bigelow.org/virtual/handson/greenhouse_make.html

Is the above a scientific fact? It is precisely what Wood said does not occur, and Nasif Nahle replicated. Has anyone since 1906 replicated Arrhenius’ experiment?
Now we’re dumbed down to Wikipedia? Puhleeze.
You did not answer my other question. If the greenhouse effect operates as advertised, it is well established in the literature the most warming should be taking place in the lower and mid tropical troposphere. For 20+ years I’ve been hearing that. It is what Santer 08 was attempting to show.

Tim Folkerts
September 29, 2011 11:36 am

[snip – Sorry Tim, no more comments from you until you address this one, accusing me of warping data. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/09/25/a-modest-proposal-to-skeptical-science/#comment-753300 ]

September 29, 2011 11:40 am

Mariss says on September 28, 2011 at 7:33 pm
Good work, Mariss, good work …
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Jay
September 29, 2011 11:45 am

Bruce Cobb says:
“Yes, that is obvious, now that Anthony has exposed it. Unfortunately, they never stated that fact [that the video short wasn’t a documentary programme or document of a real live experiment], meaning they MEANT to DECEIVE people. What part of that do you not understand?”
The part where I’m supposed to be surprised and start jumping up and down like a school girl and screaming “fraud” and “liar”.
I don’t mind that Video and TV stage things for the camera. I don’t expect TV not to. I’d be more surprised if it didn’t. In fact, I’d be really surprised. TV is the the craft of staging things for the camera.
There are worse deceits in the world than a bit of editing and and a few continuity errors.
REPLY: Well then if “TV is the the craft of staging things for the camera” I’m sure then you are prepared to admit then that Mr. Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth was “staged for the camera” and therefore should not be trusted because it is staged and not fully factual – Anthony

B.Klein
September 29, 2011 11:45 am

It appears that Anthony Watts is embarrassed by my pointing out that the Whole Climate 101 video has primary scientific mistakes besides the many post production mistakes that he has rightly found. I would think that the first error he would have pointed out would be the placing of the thermometers in the light path of IR(heat )lamps. No wonder the thermometers heated up. As Anthony’s fame is from showing how 1000’s of weather station are not up to standard because of “bad” or misplaced thermometers,this would be the first one on the list of errors.
Now the next item should have been to state that the demonstration is an example of “confined space heating”aka a classic “greenhouse” and has nothing to do with the phony “greenhouse gas effect” in the atmosphere. The “greenhouse gas effect” was disproved in 1909 by Robert W. Wood and in 2011 by Dr. N Nahle
Why after about 200 posts hasn’t this been stated?
My previous two posting about this are either being blocked or Are still under review>
REPLY: No embarrassment, just waiting for parts and equipment to arrive for part 2, as for your other posts, they probably contained something that flagged them for the SPAM filter. It happens – Anthony

Dikran Marsupial
September 29, 2011 11:52 am

DR The statement has some truth to it, but is not an adequate representation of our current understanding either. For instance the glass in a greenhouse is transparent to visible light and largely opaque to IR (in fact this is used as a selling point in double glazing). Thus a greenhouse will warm slightly as a result of “trapped” IR, although in a real greenhouse this effect is swamped by the effects of preventing convection. However, it doesn’t explain that the atmospheric greenhouse effect depends on the energy balance at the top of the atmosphere and depends on the temperature of the layer at which IR can be radiated into space, so it isn’t completely accurate either. Which is pretty much what I said in my previous post.
How many times to I have to say that nobody believes Arrhenius’ explanation of the mechanism of the greenhouse effect, and hasn’t since the 1960s?
We are not dumbed down to Wikipedia. If you go to the wikipedia page you will find it has a section called “Bibliography” which gives references to Plass’ key works. I said “why not start by reading the works of Gilbert Plass?” not “why not start by reading ABOUT Plass?”.
“If the greenhouse effect operates as advertised, it is well established in the literature the most warming should be taking place in the lower and mid tropical troposphere.”
In that case, you are ill-informed, the place where warming is expected to be most rapid is the high Arctic. The carbon cycle is the area I have looked into in most detail, but as I understand it the trophospheric hotspot is not a fingerprint of AGW, but is expected to accompany ANY warming, regardless of what type of forcing. Stratospheric cooling on the other hand is a finger-print of AGW, and is observed. However if you want to discuss that in more detail, I sugest you find someone more knowledgable on that particular topic than I am,
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Dispelling-two-myths-about-the-tropospheric-hot-spot.html

Ed Dahlgren
September 29, 2011 11:54 am

Why do some of the people scoffing at Anthony’s post write, “Everybody knows that….”?

Jay
September 29, 2011 11:59 am

Bruce Cobb says:
“Yes, that is obvious, now that Anthony has exposed it. Unfortunately, they never stated that fact [that the video short was not a documentary or a document of a real, live experiment], meaning they MEANT to DECEIVE people. What part of that do you not understand?”
The part where I’m supposed to jump up and down like an hysterical school girl and scream “fraud” and “liar”.
I don’t mind if TV and Video stages things for the camera. I don’t expect it not to. I’d be more surprised if they didn’t. In fact, I’d be very surprised. TV programme making is the craft of staging things for the camera.
There are worse deceits in the world than a bit of editing and a few continuity errors.
REPLY: The sad truth though is this. If it were I doing that experiment, and I fabricated the results exactly as you see them, but with an opposite conclusion, people such as yourself would in fact ‘jump up and down like an hysterical school girl and scream “fraud” and “liar”.’ There’s always a double standard when it comes to protecting this sort of stuff from criticism. Paid political bloggers such as the feckless Joe Romm (who’s favorite line is “making stuff up” when criticizing skeptic data, and DeSmogs and Grist et al would pick it up from complaints and excoriate me….but dare they criticize Gore for faking results presented to millions of people….noooooo.
-Anthony

Jay
September 29, 2011 12:05 pm

Apologies for the double post.
REPLY: Well then if “TV is the the craft of staging things for the camera” I’m sure then you are prepared to admit then that Mr. Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth was “staged for the camera” and therefore should not be trusted because it is staged and not fully factual – Anthony
Of course it was. Though the factuality of what was presented information wise should be judged on it’s own merits, not the film making.

September 29, 2011 12:10 pm

Anthony wrote: Thank you, but I suspect the court of public opinion will be far more problematic to Mr. Gore’s organization than a court of law.
The problem is, that most people, perhaps even a vast majority of people will never hear of the work you have done. Going the court of law route brings in the publicity that will influence the court of public opinion as well.
Besides, if Al is using fraud to enhance his bank account, he should be called on it.

DR
September 29, 2011 12:16 pm

Here’s another:

Fort Lewis College, Colorado
This partial trapping of solar radiation is known as the greenhouse effect. The name comes from the fact that a very similar process operates in a greenhouse. Sunlight passes relatively unhindered through glass panes, but much of the infrared radiation reemitted by the plants is blocked by the glass and cannot get out. Consequently, the interior of the greenhouse heats up, and flowers, fruits, and vegetables can grow even on cold wintry days.
http://physics.fortlewis.edu/Astronomy/a….TML/AT30702.HTM

True or false?

Jay
September 29, 2011 12:17 pm

Apologies for the double post.
REPLY: Well then if “TV is the the craft of staging things for the camera” I’m sure then you are prepared to admit then that Mr. Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth was “staged for the camera” and therefore should not be trusted because it is staged and not fully factual – Anthony
Of course it was. Though the factuality of what was presented information-wise should be judged on it’s own merits as information, not the film making.
REPLY: Likewise then by your logic, the “simple experiment” should be judged on the merits and facts presented, which were none – it was entirely fabricated. No actual data, no actual result, was presented to support the conclusion. Sorry Jay you aren’t going to win this one no matter how hard you try. – Anthony

Jay
September 29, 2011 12:19 pm

apologies for the double post again, my Internets is misbehaving.

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