UPDATE2 10/18/2011 – The experiment has been replicated several ways, see:
UPDATE: New images added prove without a doubt the faked split screen. See below.
It has been over a week now since the Gore-a-thon aka “24 hours of climate reality”. The front page of the Climate Reality Project has changed from “live mode” to offering clips of video shown during the 24 hour presentation. Note the circled video on the front page below Mr. Gore. I’ve discovered that by watching carefully it reveals an “inconvenient truth” of the worst kind.
Analysis of this “Climate 101” video highlighted on Mr. Gore’s website is something I’ve been working on for the past week and a half. It has been carefully reviewed (with video graphics tools) and has been inspected by a number of science, engineering, and television professionals I’ve had review the video, my video captures, annotations, and writeup to be certain I have not missed anything or come to an erroneous conclusion. It also took me awhile to locate and get the items shipped to me to do the work I needed before I wrote this article. Now that I have them, and have done some simple replications to confirm my suspicions, I can write about them while presenting corroborating photographic evidence.
First, I wish to direct your attention to this video, produced by Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project titled “Climate 101”. I direct your attention to the 1 minute mark, lasting through 1:20. I suggest you click on the little X-arrow icon to expand full screen of the right of the slider tool bar, since this video is in high-definition and the details of my concerns require that higher resolution to view them properly.
It is worth watching a couple of times to get fully familiar with the sequence.
I’ve been in television broadcasting for over 20 years, and I’m quite familiar with editing tricks, I think I spotted more than a few in the video.
There are five scenes that appear, each an edit in that 20 second span of video during which an experiment is set up which supposedly demonstrates that CO2 in a heated jar causes that jar to be warmer than a second heated jar with ambient air in it.
In that 20 second span, I looked for things that changed, indicating that it wasn’t done in a continuous shot. I found evidence that the scene was changed at least three times, suggesting multiple takes.
The giveaways were that I saw objects change in the scene, most notably the CO2 tank, which has three different rotation positions. See the video captures from the Climate 101 video below, with my annotations. Note the position of the safety valve (1) and the label (2) change (click images for HD resolution):
Climate 101 scene @1:01 –
Climate 101 scene @1:05 –
Climate 101 scene @1:09 –
(UPDATE 10:27AM : spotted by commenter “mkelly” – note the thermometers are reversed in the 1:05 video capture versus the 1:09 video capture – note the green card mark on the thermometer scale as explained further in the story) So clearly, this wasn’t done in one take. By itself, there’s nothing wrong with that, but it did make me wonder why for such a simple sequence (putting the tube in the jar) they had to have three separate edits.
Such a simple thing could surely have been accomplished in a single take. All they would have had to do was zoom the camera in/out as the actor did the work, then take the appropriate scenes from the single shot to the final cut. They could have done several continuous takes and chosen the best one, it just seemed odd they had to keep moving/rotating the bottle to do it. It made me wonder if the experiment maybe didn’t go so well and they had to keep trying it.
These scene discontinuities made me curious, and it made me look further to see what else might have been edited in such a way to reveal that what looks like a continuous flow of scenes…actually isn’t.
I’m glad I did.
Now I know there will be lots of arguments about whether this experiment is a valid test of CO2 greenhouse theory or not. It is deceptively simple, and it fits with the claims of it is “high school physics” made by Al Gore and others before and during the 24 hour Climate Reality Project. His specific claim was:
“The deniers claim that it’s some kind of hoax and that the global scientific community is lying to people,” he said. “It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.” – Al Gore in an interview with MNN 9/14/2011
Let’s put the arguments about applicability of the experiment aside for the moment, and just concentrate on what was presented in the experiment section of the video, because there is plenty to look at in the video with a skeptical eye.
One thing that caught my eye after I noticed the edits with the CO2 tank positions changing was the split screen scene with the thermometers side by side, one with temperature rising faster than the other. It is located starting at 1:10 in the video continuing to 1:17 it is the longest “continuous” scene in experiment section of the video, though we all know that thermometers don’t jump up in spurts like that.
I figured at first they just cut down a longer continuous scene, done with two cameras, so that it fit into the time allotted and then rotated from horizontal and edited them in split screen, which are tried and true techniques, and there’s nothing wrong with doing that.
But thanks to the fact that this was shot in HD video, and because I was able to expand the video to full resolution outside of the web page format bounding, I noticed something that gave me reason to doubt the veracity of this section of video. I suspected it had been faked, but it would take me some time and materials to prove it.
One thing that struck me was how clean the image of the two thermometers was. Remember this is an experiment where the two thermometers are placed inside two glass jars. A proper experimental procedure would be to film them while they are inside of the jars, experiencing the conditions of the experiment, in fact, they were presented just like that with a closeup at 1:02 in the video, you can actually read the thermometer scale:
Note this video capture at 1:02 looks quite different from the video at 1:17 showing the thermometers split screen. There are several differences:
1. Throughout the video from 1:00 to 1:20, the thermometers in the jar are shown horizontal, the split screen at 1:17 shows the thermometers vertical.
2. There’s a greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all.
3. The split screen thermometer scene has not a hint of the optical distortion seen at 1:02 in the video. Note that the thermometer scale is distorted by the glass, and if you look closely by expanding the video capture above to full resolution by clicking on it, you’ll see that the tick marks are distorted differently all along the scale. This is what you would expect from thick glass like the jar is made of.
I considered these possibilities for each point above:
1. That was editing to show the thermometers side by side, perfectly acceptable if the edit was done from combining two separate video streams filmed simultaneously on two cameras while the temperature was rising inside the jar. Cutting down the time is also acceptable, which would account for the “spurts”
2. They may have placed a paper or cardboard background behind the thermometers while filming in the jars to make the scales more visible and to remove visual clutter, but didn’t show it in the video. While using such backgrounds is understandable, not showing that you have done so is a bit of a no-no, but it isn’t a deal killer.
3. While I thought about it a lot, I couldn’t reconcile the glass caused optical distortion issue. Why was it missing from the split screen thermometer scene? I decided I couldn’t answer the question without getting my hands on the objects and re-creating the optical situation with a camera.
That took some doing, because Al’s “high school physics” experiment didn’t come with a bill of materials and list of suppliers. So, in my spare time I started looking for the jars, the thermometers, and the globes so that I could exactly recreate the experiment scene.
I found them all, thanks to Google visual image search and Ebay.
Replicating the scene – materials:
Anchor Hocking Cookie Jar with Lid http://www.cooking.com/products/shprodde.asp?SKU=187543
Geratherm Oral Thermometer Non-Mercury
http://www.pocketnurse.com/Geratherm-Oral-Thermometer-Non-Mercury/productinfo/06-74-5826/
Globe Coin Bank
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150661053386
It took a few days for everything to arrive from the three different suppliers, here they are all together on my desk at work, I actually bought two sets:
What I wanted to do was to recreate the closeup shot like we see in the video at 1:02 to see if I saw similar optical distortions, then see if there was any way that I could get a clear closeup view of the thermometer scale like we see in the split screen at 1:10-1:17.
My theory was that the thermometers aren’t actually in the jar when they were photographed for the split screen.
Checking for optical aberrations:
I used a piece of double-sided foam tape to affix the thermometer:
Here’s a closeup of the thermometer affixed to the globe. Note how clear and distortion free the scale is.
Here’s my attempts at photography of the thermometer inside the jar. I had a lot of trouble getting focused on the thermometer scale due to the autofocus mechanism being distracted by the glass which is in the foreground. Note that you can see the optical aberrations caused by the glass on the thermometer scale. The scale is not straight and the tick marks are also distorted.
Here’s another photo – I could not get the macro view focus right due to the glass confusing the autofocus sensor:
I decided that my camera was inadequate for this particular task, so I called in a someone who has a professional camera with a high quality professional lens capable of manual focus and macro function. It is a far cry from my little Kodak Easy Share Z1012 used to make the photos above:
- Camera – Canon 1D Mark IV
- Lens – Canon MACRO 100mm 1:2.8 L IS USM
Just as I did with my clunky little Kodak camera, the photographer had a lot of trouble getting a clear shot through the glass. Below is a collection of shots done by that photographer at different distances and focus settings on the professional camera. Note that I also rotated the jar to see is different sections made anything clearer. Click any thumbnail to enlarge it (warning large download ~ 10MB each)
The professional photography setup also could not capture an image through the glass jar that looked as clear as what was shown by my photo with the thermometer outside the glass, or as clear as the split screen images presented in the Climate 101 video from 1:10 to 1:17. I invite readers to inspect the images above carefully, examine the EXIF data of the unedited original JPEG images presented at the native resolution of the Canon 1D camera at 4296×3264 pixels and examine for yourselves if it is possible to shoot the thermometer scale through the glass and get an image that is free from any distortions.
Neither I nor the professional photographer could get a clear image through the jar glass that matched the clarity of the thermometer scales seen in the split screen, so I am forced to conclude that in the split screen scene from 1:10 to 1:17 on the Climate 101 video, the thermometers are not in the jars.
But wait, there’s more.
The background behind the thermometers:
Remember point 2 above where I was concerned about the greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 which isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video from 1:00 to 1:20? Well, there’s something odd about that too. The background appears identical in both sides of the split screen. What first tipped me off was a speck on the thermometer.
Here’s a video capture from the start of the split screen sequence. I’ve highlighted something I found curious, a speck on the thermometer scale that appears on both thermometers:
At first I thought it was dust, but then I realized that wasn’t possible, as dust would NOT appear identically on both thermometers in the split screen. I surmised it might be a manufacturing defect, printed on the scale. Fortunately, I have two thermometers from the same manufacturer that I can compare to. Here’s my closeup of them:
Nope, no speck, so it isn’t a manufacturing defect common to all thermometers.
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Side note: Note above in the thermometer closeup how the scales are offset, this is due to the manufacturer hand calibrating these glass thermometers by trimming the card with the scale printed on it so 98.6 lines up with the top of the fluid line when the thermometers are placed in the temperature test well. Glassblowing is an inexact science, and each thermometer must be calibrated by a technician, then sealed. You can see how the cards don’t match here:
We can see this in the Climate 101 video also:
The green section of the card for the scale is clearly different lengths as part of the trimming process for calibration, so clearly we have two different thermometers.
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OK, back to the main issue.
In addition to the identical speck on the two thermometer scales, I noted several other identical specks and aberrations in the split screen video. I’ve listed them by number on two video captures below from two different times in the video (click images to enlarge for best viewing):
Climate 101 video @1:10 –
Climate 101 video @1:16 –
I have 8 labeled points that are identical between each frame @1:10 and @ 1:16 In fact they are identical on every video frame from 1:10 to 1:17. The only thing that changes is the blue liquid in the thermometer tube.
- Dots on left top glass edge match exactly
- Speck on right top glass edge matches exactly
- Smudge/discoloration near number “38” on scale matches exactly
- Speck in background matches exactly
- Speck near number 98 on scale matches exactly
- Tick mark pattern near number “36” matches exactly
- Smudge in background matches exactly
- Reflective highlight in glass tube matches exactly
- While not numbered, note how the background shading matches exactly
Conclusions
With 9 points of agreement between the two images through all video frames there is only one possible conclusion:
The split screen is showing the same piece of video, shot by a single camera and edited to make it appear as two separate pieces of video with two separate thermometers. All that is required is to apply edits along different portions of the timeline. It is the same video shot by the same camera on each side of the split screen.
Summary of what was discovered:
- The video of the experiment showing filling of the jar with CO2 was shot in multiple takes because the CO2 cylinder has three different positions between 1:00 and 1:10. It suggests the experiment didn’t go smoothly and had to be repeated.
- The thermometers in the split screen appear not to have been filmed through the glass of the jars, because the split screen video contains no optical aberrations of any kind. Neither myself nor the photographer with professional gear was able to get clear shots through the jar glass that equaled the clarity of the thermometer scales shown in the split screen video. This strongly suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video showing temperature rise.
- The greenish-yellow background in the split screen at 1:10 to 1:17 isn’t seen anywhere else in the experiment video at all, and not in the jars, suggesting it was used only for that scene, which also suggests the thermometers were never in the jars for the split screen video sequence.
- The video of the split screen shows two identical backgrounds, and two identical thermometers with 9 points of exact agreement in the backgrounds and the thermometers. Clearly the split screen contains two copies of the same video from one camera, edited in the timeline to make the liquid in the thermometer rise at different rates.
The only conclusion one can make from these four points is that the video of the “simple experiment” is a complete fabrication done in post production.
I’ve double checked my work, and I’ve had other people look at this video and the points I make and they see the same issues. They concur the video of the experiment was fabricated using editing techniques too.
While everyone can make mistakes (I know, I’ve made some big ones myself), this isn’t a case of a simple mistake, its a production that had to have been screened and approved before releasing it. It is mind blowing that this video, which was intended to be shown to millions of people (recall that Mr. Gore’s claim was 8.6 million views), was not clearly identified as an illustration or artistic license and not a true record of an experiment if that was their intent. Yet, they invite viewers to try replicating it themselves.
This level of fabrication on something that is so simple makes me wonder. Mr. Gore claimed in the MNN interview on 9/14 that:
“It’s not a hoax, it’s high school physics.”
Why then, does Mr. Gore’s organization go to such lengths to fabricate the presentation of the “simple high school physics experiment” they say proves the issue in that venue? Perhaps they couldn’t get the experiment to work properly using the materials chosen? Maybe it might not be so easy to perform at home after all? Maybe a few controls are necessary such as the Mythbusters team used in the video below. Why else would they need to fake it in post?
Even if Mr. Gore and his team wanted to claim “artistic license” for editing the video for the experiment, why would they do so if it is so easy to replicate and do yourself? The narrator, Bill Nye the Science Guy actually invites people to do so at about 0:46 in the video. Why not simply do the experiment and record the results for all to see? Of course a one word lower third caption on the video at that point saying “DRAMATIZATION” would be all that was needed to separate a real experiment from one fabricated in post production – but they didn’t do that. I’ve watched the film several times, checked the audio, and the credits at the end. There is no mention nor notice of any dramatization regarding the “simple experiment” segment that I can find.
If Mr. Gore’s team actually performed the experiment and has credible video documenting the success of his simple “high school physics” exercise, I suggest that in the interest of clarity, now is the time to make it available.
About the experiment:
So far all I’ve concentrated on is the stagecraft I observed. It’s clearly obvious that the split screen scene with thermometers was not filmed inside the cookie jars. I’ve established that it is a staged production from start to finish and the split screen of two thermometers but was edited from a continuous video of a single thermometer with temperature rising then frame sequences were inserted out of order to compose each side of the split screen.
Of course the whole Climate 101 CO2 experiment is questionable to begin with, because it doesn’t properly emulate the physical mechanisms involved in heating our planet. Note the heat lamps used, likely one of these based on the red color we see in the lamp fixture:
Heat lamps like this produce visible red light and short wave infrared (SWIR is 1.4-3 µm wavelength). As we know from the classic greenhouse effect, glass blocks infrared so none of the SWIR was making it into the cookie jar. All that would do is heat the glass. John Tyndall’s 1850’s experiments used rock salt windows, which transmit infrared, for exactly that reason. Adding insult to injury, CO2 has no SWIR absorption bands. What CO2 does have though is higher density than air. The gas in the cookie jars was primarily heated by conduction in contact with the SWIR-heated glass.
Moreover, the CO2 injection in one cookie jar would raise it from 0.04% CO2 to very near 100% CO2 which is hardly comparable to the atmosphere going from 0.03% to 0.04% CO2 during the industrial age. Gore’s team provides no indication of the concentration of CO2 in the jar, that’s hardly scientific. Here’s how current greenhouse theory works:

All that said, in principle it does demonstrate that CO2 absorbs long wave infrared (LWIR 8–15 µm). Energy would likely be transmitted into the gas through conduction with the heated glass (which would likely get very hot) and it would then re-radiate inside the cookie jar as LWIR, and cause the CO2 jar to heat up faster and higher. But this is hardly news. The LWIR absorptive characteristics of many different gases under different pressures and mixtures was experimentally verified in thousands of experiments performed by Tyndall 150 years ago.

This characteristic of CO2 is the theory of operation for millions of CO2 sensors routinely employed in commercial buildings with high occupancy rates to determine when ventilation fans should turn on and off to exhaust the CO2 buildup from a lot of people breathing the same air in a confined space.
So while some might say the stagecraft involved in the Climate 101 presentation wasn’t dishonest it was most assuredly staged with great literary license and dramatization of an effect that was experimentally verified elsewhere with far greater precision and attention to replicating the real world.
I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.
If Mr. Gore wants to convince the world, he’d do far better at emulating the Mythbusters TV show; show all the materials, steps, measurement, and results like they do.
As it stands, the video fabrications in the “simple experiment” by Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project is no better than the stagecraft done by Senator Tim Wirth turning off the air conditioning (to make it hot in the room) when Dr. James Hansen testified before lawmakers in June 1988 about CO2 being a problem.
The public, and especially young budding scientific minds, deserve better than stagecraft.
Of course LWIR radiative CO2 heat retention is only a small part of the global warming issue. There are still raging debates over climate sensitivity, uncertainty, feedbacks, and most recently whether clouds provide positive or negative feedbacks in our atmosphere.
But from my point of view, if everything is so certain, the science so settled, why does Mr. Gore resort to these cheap stagecraft tricks to convince people?
UPDATE: In comments, Mariss Freimanis runs a Photoshop difference analysis, proving the split screen image is the same. He emailed his analysis to me, shown below.


From Mariss
1) I have attached ‘analysis_before’ which is a cropped shot of your original with it’s circles and arrows.
2) The ‘analysis_right_thermo’ is the right thermometer overlaid already positioned to overlay the the left thermometer.
3) The ‘image_analysis_after’ shows the results of subtracting away the right overlay from the underlying left image.
Comments:
1) The attached jpegs are reasonably sized in the sense that they don’t throw away any information. The ‘after’ image black area still contains some residual ‘non-black’ background noise from the subtraction process. This is largely due to my choice of a times-4 repixelation of the original. The image offset was not precisely 0.25 pixels so it reflects some residual image alignment errors.
2) This method reveals minute differences between two images. For the background to be as featureless as it is, it requires both thermometer’s reflections to be identically lit from the exact same light source angle (parallel ray source), their seemingly identical mottled green backgrounds to actually be identical and of course, the thermometers would have to have exactly the same ‘fingerprint’ flaws. It would take one hell of a telephoto lens to see both thermometers from exactly the same perspective. This is inconceivable.
3) The 0.25 pixel offset drift is significant because it reveals the same thermometer was used to sequentially film the composite image. Little things change with time such as thermal expansion. It marks the passage of time. That drift indicates they weren’t filmed simultaneously.
For those that might be concerned about the images above not being full resolution HD and having annotations, here’s the before and after difference image at 1:17 in the video:


Note the only thing that changes is the fluid level and the reflection of it (thin line to the right) in the glass tube. This proves the “result” split screen is the same image, not two thermometers showing results.







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Rolf Atkinson “likely a bit of both” is also ruled out by the observation that the annual increase in atmospheric CO2 is less than annual anthropogenic emissions, which proves the natural environment is a net sink, and hence has actively opposed the rise, and has not contributed to it at all.
While it is true that the solubility-temperature relationship suggests that CO2 is less soluble in warmer waters, there is also the fact that uptake of CO2 is also governed by the difference in partial pressure of CO2 between the atmosphere and the surface waters. The evidence suggests that the latter effect is dominant, which explains why the oceans are a net carbon sink, and the magnitude of the oceanic sink is still increasing (which is a very good thing).
The 50 year estimate of the adjustment time relates to the rapid response of the surface ocean to an increase in atmospheric CO2. The lower layers of the ocean also have an effect, but on longer timescales as the CO2 has to move through the surface waters first in order to get there. Hence the “simple” model used by the IPCC characterises the response by a sum of exponential decays at different rates, representing the different mechanisms involved. David Archer’s carbon cycle primer has a good explanation of the various mechanisms involved.
The point remains, the rise in atmospheric CO2 is essentially purely anthropogenic. Those that disagree need to be able to explain how the natural environment could have acted as a net carbon source while the annual rise in atmospheric concentration remains less (i.e. about half) the level of annual anthropogenic emissions. This is a challenge that skeptics have been able to meet so far, I would be genuinely interested to hear otherwise.
However I don’t want to take the discussion off-topic, so I suggest anyone who is interested Googles for Ferdinand Engelbeen’s excellent web page on the topic, and just point out that the only think skeptics achieve by questioning this very well established point is to marginalise themselves from the discussion by demonstrating ignorance of some basic scientific facts (and indeed of the observations), and they would be much better sticking to areas where the science genuinely isn’t settled, such as climate sensitivity.
DR, the answer to your question is “No”, and this has been known at least since the work of Calendar and Plass in the 1950s. See Spencer Weart’s excellent book and website for the details.
Regarding Mythbusters, they at least appear to have created a somewhat decent apparatus for demonstrating the Tyndall effect (notice that it didn’t look as sciency as Nye’s cookie jars?). They didn’t state the concentrations. Maybe they chose the concentrations to be equivalent to an atmosphere’s worth of GHGs; I just don’t know.
What they didn’t do is:
1) Demonstrate the greenhouse effect.
2) Demonstrate how the greenhouse effect works on a rotating earth with half the surface in the dark.
3) Demonstrate feedback.
So it was kind of cheap of them to than have that kid say that the experiment proves that humans are causing most of the warming of the earth.
Mythbusters, like Snopes, usually does a decent job, but they, like Snopes, are not above cheap tricks when they have an agenda.
Even if this experiment was done in one take and not fabricated, it is still a busted experiment. Since the lightbulbs use emit shortwave that is being absorbed by the glass cookie jar and that heated glass is what is heating the CO2, then if the cookie jars are not EXACTLY the same with the EXACT same mass, then obviously they are going to heat at different rates. And considering these things are most likely made in China with the worst quality control on the planet, the chances of them being 100% identical are near zero.
Well thank you, but as Mosher says some skeptics are on the fringe, what should one think about.the EPA and multiple other government agencies and institutions that answers the question “Yes”? To prevent being eaten by the spam bot, here is but a few examples, but there are dozens of others, and it is being taught to students by “scientists”. The ‘Greenhouse effect in a bottle” is no different than a glass greenhouse.
Woods Hole Research Center:
http://www.whrc.org/resources/primer_greenhouse.html
Is how the “greenhouse effect” works?
http://www.whrc.org/resources/images/car_greenhouse.png
Now, as nobody I’m aware of has yet to review and respond to Nasif Nahle’s recent experiment that doesn’t bode well for the Arrhenius fans, here is the link again. It would be nice to see some substantive replies on his paper.
http://principia-scientific.org/publications/Experiment_on_Greenhouse_Effect.pdf
The point R. Gates and others seem to be missing is that there obvious editing to allow the “experiment” to be shown in a short period of time. There is nothing wrong with this if this had been the only editing. However, it is clearly implied (you can do this on your own) that the experiments WAS done essentially as shown and the results were as shown. The fact they they were fabricated is a serious issue and all involved should be held accountable.
Steven Mosher and his candle video, it would have been more compelling if they added more humidity or other atmospheric elements as well in seperate runs. Would the spectrographic camera have reacted to other additions as well? I suspect many things in the open model or experiment could be absorbing heat and that these can vary in impact all the time in the dynamic and chaotic state. They don’t state how many parts of co2 they are actually adding but is blocking the spectrograph the same as “absorbing heat” as claimed? Increasing anything might have had similar results. Was there no way to measure an actual temperture inside the tube before and after? It’s so small which is why the spectrograph is being used in the first place.
What do you think you would have seen if the control had been .025% vs .05% vs. .10%comparision? I realize it’s an illustration but why is it assumed co2 is the unique driver of the total greenhouse effect? I’d like to see details on clouds and humidity as well. So again, it’s a question of impacts and of course the presentation that co2 is especially unique as greenhouse impact input. Especially jumping from an enclosed tube to the open earth reality.
It’s an interesting part of how and what gets debated. co2 is assumed the driver but methane and water (for example) don’t get equal examination, they are sent to the back of the bus since it distracts from the co2 narrative. I don’t think co2 absorbing heat or blocking a spectrograph is all that compelling in itself if you exclude other variables that have far more ghg importance and assumed “constants” in the ghg/co2 narrative. It’s similar to the climate “equibrium” assumption that looks bogus right on the face of it. Only changing co2 is accountable when all the inputs are changing in a chaotic fashion forever within a naturally variable form. At the very least the amounts of additions should be disclosed but the experiment is meant to be deceptive by avoiding logical comparisons and elevating co2 impact. I can’t prove anything but what if relative humidity from farming and agriculture or natural cycles not well understood was changing greenhouse conditions instead of minor co2 changes?
DR, Nahle merely demonstrates that greenhouses don’t work by trapping IR radiation. The reason nobody has responded to his paper is that it is news to nobody (or at least it ought not to be a surprise to any climatologist). It says precisely nothing about the greenhouse effect in the atmosphere, which is a bit of a misnomer as unlike a greenhouse it does depend on IR radiation (rather than preventing convection). What would be the point of responding to a paper that confirms what we have known for over a century about how greenhouses work? If Nahle extends that to the atmosphere then the kindest thing you could say was that his understanding of climatology is about a century out of date and perhaps he ought to go and read some of the important papers that were published on this in the 50s and 60s. People publish stuff that is wrong all the time, generally there is only a response if the paper gains significant attention, which thus far Nahle has not (I hope for his sake this continues to be the case).
There is no conceivable way that CO2 would have been steady without mankind in the picture since the natural warming from the LIA to the present would have raised CO2 levels 5-10 ppm. The rest of the 100 ppm rise is due to mankind’s involvement. So the most supported statement is “90-95% of the total rise is anthropogenic as well as 100% of the ongoing rise”
Eric (skeptic) If you accept estimates of CO2 levels prior to the Mauna Loa record from ice cores (e.g. Law dome) then the mass balance argument shows that the natural environment has been a net carbon sink going back to the mid 1800s at least (IIRC), I would suggest largely because emissions from land use change raised atmospheric levels sufficiently high that the increase in oceanic uptake due to the difference in partial pressure overcame the expected increase due to warming from the recovery from the LIA. In which case the natural envrionment still has not contributed to the rise, however the observations prior to the Mauna Loa dataset are more uncertain.
I’d be happy with the compromise that at least since the start of the Mauna Loa dataset the rise in atmospheric CO2 has been 100% anthropogenic and 0% natural.
Something here is ridiculous Anthony.
Hands up anyone who thinks cookery programmes prepare dishes in real time and never do the old one two switcheroo…
No takers? Really?
REPLY: Documenting a science experiment and doing a cooking show are entirely different. People expect exact documentation in science, they don’t in a cooking show, though in cooking shows at least we get to see (and watch people taste) the final results. I’ve never seen a dish “faked” by editing like Gore did with his results. And in cooking shows, they provide a list of ingredients at least, Gore didn’t do that. Gore’s video experiment was entirely fabricated.
Even the dumbest greenhorn TV news reporter knows enough not to do a re-enactment or dramatization without making it clear. Gore didn’t do that, and if he had there would be no argument.
If the experiment was so easy, so surefire that they invite people to do it at home, why not simply show the results as they actually happened? If they did, no problem. But they didn’t, and they faked it in editing.
If Gore can’t even rise to the TV science standards set by Mythbusters, then there’s no defense. Sorry, your defense of the indefensible doesn’t fly, like with R. Gates above, it is bullshit of the highest order. – Anthony
Anthony, I posted a clip from Carl Sagan’s excellent Cosmos series, which shows an experiment taking place. I very much doubt that the scientist shown is actually performing the experiment for real, just posing for the camera. Do you think that equally reprehensible? I don’t think either are a significant problem. “Experiments” have been mocked up on a regular basis on science programs for years, and as far as I can see it isn’t a big deal because it is public communication of science, not the actual science itself, so a recreation is O.K. Now if the results demonstrated can’t be replicated by performing the experiment depicted for real, that would be another matter entirely, but this does seem like making a mountain out of a molehill. However that is merely my opinion.
REPLY: And they didn’t say “you can try this yourself at home” did they? Gore has made a big deal out of “fact based presentations”, training people to do them, presenting them as fact, now you want to say facts can be faked for the sake of the presentation, sorry, doesn’t fly. If the experiment was so easy to replicate, then do it, show it, even if edited, but at least show the actual final result. But they didn’t. Instead they faked the thermometer scene using one thermometer, the fakery isn’t even good. Sorry, FAIL
Gore can clear this right up by showing the unedited video of the experiment results if he wishes, but he won’t.
But thats OK, fakery is near and dear to you, having a fake persona and all that, so I forgive your inability to come to terms with it. – Anthony
Curt Welch says:
September 29, 2011 at 8:32 am
The video was only done to illustrate the approximate level of complexity of doing a real experiment to show how it was something simple enough for a high school student to do, and to understand. IT WAS NOT A REAL EXPERIMENT and anyone over the age of 10 should have understood that without having to do all your video forensics.
Right, Curt, in order to do
REALClimate Science “experiments”, all we need instead is some Global Circulation Computer Models [GCM’s] to give us a range ofREALpredetermined numbers as dictated by “the physics” already written into the Global Circulation WARMING MODELS – which presuppose that atmospheric CO2 concentrations must be running the climate and must cause any “climate change” – by theREAL“Climate Scientists”, thereby producing someREALgenuine, certified Climate Science “data”, which has somehow never come to exist in the REAL WORLD so far, thus proving that THE REAL WORLD DOES NOT EXIST!Likewise, Curt, you and your buddies just keep repeating your magic meme de jour and it will replace reality as “truth”, just like like the GCM’s have! And then you can “WIN”, the ultimate proof of the “VALIDITY” of any otherwise unhinged POLITICAL SCIENCE PROPAGANDA OPERATION!
Clearly,
Dirkran Marsupal
has not reacted to my claim that he has deliberately wiped off many of my comments on his SS website.
Surely, he has has no right to speak here and force any of his “postings” on us?
http://www.letterdash.com/HenryP/more-carbon-dioxide-is-ok-ok
With the amount of money they hope to get from everyone with the falsehood of global warming why isn’t anyone calling for fraud charges be placed against Al Gore and the millions he has made and the millions more he expects to receive from the fraud he perpetuates.
When does this end and those responsible for causing this be brought up on charges.
Dikran Marsupial,
You may not be aware of it, but R.W. Wood’s greenhouse experiment has been widely criticised by the alarmist crowd. But Prof Nahle’s experiment has confirmed Wood’s:
CONCLUSION
The greenhouse effect inside greenhouses is due to the blockage of convective heat transfer with the environment and it is not related, neither obeys, to any kind of “trapped” radiation. Therefore, the greenhouse effect does not exist as it is described in many didactic books and articles.
CO2 does not have nearly the temperature effect claimed. Further, there is no evidence whatever of any global harm from the rise in that essential trace gas. CO2 is harmless and beneficial. More is better.
It’s TV Anthony, it’s staged for the camera. That’s how TV works.
I was distraught when I discovered that Roy Underhill’s Woodwright’s Shop was really a mocked up set in a studio with big lights and cameras on the other side. But then I put my best grown up hat on, decided it was probably okay and got on with life.
They were not documenting a live scientific experiment. It was not a documentary.
REPLY: Sorry, not buying it, Gore claims it is so simple, so “high school physics” that he invited people to do it at home. If it was that simple, at least show the actual results. Dirt simple to do really. Note those are oral thermometers, designed to hold the high reading. All they had to do was take them out of the jars on camera, put them side by side, and show how one was higher than the other. No fakery needed. Or, put up a one word disclaimer “dramatization”. They couldn’t lift a finger to do either.
Gore has made a career of fact based science presentations with his slide shows, now you want to claim “oh, it’s TV”. Can’t have it both ways.
But they could not even do what adults do for their children with a fever – get the actual thermometer reading. No, they had to fake it. For all of Gore’ pronouncements of “The planet has a fever” you’d think he could at least get the reading off a fever thermometer, but noooo, and your defense of this is still bullshit of the highest order. – Anthony
Mr. Watts,
As a litigation attorney, a big part of my job is evaluating evidence (usually documents and testimony) and if the evidence is false, demonstrating its falsity to a jury so they knows it’s false, too. In so many circumstances, proving someone is being less than truthful is impossible because evidence is not always falsifiable. The saying, “It’s not what you know, but what you can prove” applies. But when I am able to show someone’s deception, it is a beautiful thing and reinforces my faith in the (legal) system. Kudos to you. You’d make a great litigator (I hope that’s taken as a compliment, which is how I meant it)!
I would like to wait till Al Gore comes out with whatever clarifications. He could be wrong genuinely.But the pains he takes to spread the awareness of the hazzards of GHGs must be respected.
Anthony, what is to stop anyone from performing the experiment at home (for real)?
Jay,
Apparently you just don’t know propaganda when you see it.
I would wait for a clarification from Mr.Al Gore. He could be wrong but the mistake may not be deliberate ,if any.The GHGs are affecting the global temperature is undisputed fact. The fact need not be disbilieved simply because somebody has erred in presenting. I still hope that the mitigation of GHG emissions would be seriously undertaken by the human population to prevent the disaster looming at large.
Jay says:
September 29, 2011 at 10:43 am
They were not documenting a live scientific experiment. It was not a documentary.
Yes, that is obvious, now that Anthony has exposed it. Unfortunately, they never stated that fact, meaning they MEANT to DECEIVE people. What part of that do you not understand?
“”””” Myrrh says:
September 29, 2011 at 4:16 am
George E. Smith says:
September 28, 2011 at 11:27 am
Water (H2O) is a very good absorber of 1 micron radiation, which is why the human skin, which is mostly water records that as “heat”. In contrast, no human senses respond in any way to 10.1 micron LWIR emissions, which humans are entirely unaware of. We have to go out of our way to detect that with special instrumentation.
Nonsense. The human body is mostly water and the heat we get direct from the Sun is what warms us up internally, and we have always had a perfect instrument to measure it, our own bodies, we sweat the extra heat away.. “””””
Well Myrrh, when you call something “nonsense” you need to be very specific about WHAT you are saying is nonsense. So let’s examine exactly what YOU excerpted from my post and called it “nonsense:
“””” Water (H2O) is a very good absorber of 1 micron radiation, “””” “Nonsense” says Myrrh, of one of the most prominent of all H2O molecular absorption bands
“””” which is why the human skin, which is mostly water records that as “heat”. “Nonsense” says Myrrh; (ergo , human skin does NOT record 1 micron radiation as “heat”. Myrrh has apparently never stood in front (at a distance) of a radiant “heater” that emits strongly in the 1 micron range; and it certainly hasn’t heated the air at that distance. Myrrh adds (quite irrelevently): ” The human body is mostly water and the heat we get direct from the Sun is what warms us up internally,” Please note Myrrh, that I said “””” human skin “”””, I said nothing about internal body heat or the Sun. Biologists might claim, that it was the food that we eat that warms us up internally, by oxidation of carbon and hydrogen in that food. Sunlight however does not significantly penetrate the human body, and if it did it would generate an inward falling Temperature gradient; rather than the ever present OUTWARD falling Temperature gradient. High altitude mountain climbers frequently die from internal body heat cooking their insides, because their cold skin protective clothing does not allow their excess internally generated body heat to escape.
“””” In contrast, no human senses respond in any way to 10.1 micron LWIR emissions, which humans are entirely unaware of. “””” “Nonsense” says Myrrh: “we have always had a perfect instrument to measure it, our own bodies, ”
So here’s a simple experiment for Myrrh to try ; others may enjoy it also.
All you need is an efficient source of 10.1 micron LWIR radiation. Well nothing can be more efficient, than a true BLACK BODY, and one can obtain one with its PEAK Spectral Radiant Emmittance right at 10.1 microns wavelength, at any grocery store or even a Starbucks coffee shop; go in and ask for a 16 ounce bottle of drinking water. Take it home and put it in the refrigerator to cool it down to 15 deg C, 59 deg F or 288 Kelvins, your choice; and the correct choice for a 10.1 peak black body radiator.
So set the cooled bottle up about 10-15 feet away from you to ensure that it is not heating the air in front of you with its 390 Watts per square metre of 10.1 micron peak LWIR radiant emissions.
Describe the heating sensation difference you feel between the stae when the water bottle is absent; and the state when the water bottle is present.
Come back to WUWT, and describe the heating experience from that instrument you have always had; namely your body; that can detect 10.1 micron radiation
Some people might actually be inclined to issue an apology for such a gaffe. I’d be content, if you simply learned to read what I say, BEFORE you describe it as “Nonsense”.
Hey Eric,
Here is an eye opener for you. That last 10 million years have been unusually cold! Check out 65 million years of climate change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:65_Myr_Climate_Change.png.