
UPDATE: see some reactions to this announcement here
From the GWPF
This refers to the CLOUD experiment at CERN.
I’ll have more on this as it develops (updated twice since the original report now), but for the short term, it appears that a non-visible light irradiance effect on Earth’s cloud seeds has been confirmed. The way it is posited to work is that the effect of cosmic rays (modulated by the sun’s magnetic variations which either allow more or deflect more cosmic rays) creates cloud condensation nuclei in the Earth’s atmosphere. With more condensation nuclei, more clouds form and vice-versa. Clouds have significant effects on TSI at the surface.
Even the IPCC has admitted this in their latest (2007) report:
“Cloud feedbacks are the primary source of inter-model differences in equilibrium climate sensitivity, with low cloud being the largest contributor”.
Update: From the Nature article, Kirkby is a bit more muted in his assessment than the GWPF:
Early results seem to indicate that cosmic rays do cause a change. The high-energy protons seemed to enhance the production of nanometre-sized particles from the gaseous atmosphere by more than a factor of ten. But, Kirkby adds, those particles are far too small to serve as seeds for clouds. “At the moment, it actually says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate, but it’s a very important first step,” he says.
Update: Bizarrely, New Scientist headlines with: Cloud-making: Another human effect on the climate
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CERN Experiment Confirms Cosmic Rays Influence Climate Change.
by Nigel Calder
Long-anticipated results of the CLOUD experiment at CERN in Geneva appear in tomorrow’s issue of the journal Nature (25 August). The Director General of CERN stirred controversy last month, by saying that the CLOUD team’s report should be politically correct about climate change (see my 17 July post below). The implication was that they should on no account endorse the Danish heresy – Henrik Svensmark’s hypothesis that most of the global warming of the 20th Century can be explained by the reduction in cosmic rays due to livelier solar activity, resulting in less low cloud cover and warmer surface temperatures.
Willy-nilly the results speak for themselves, and it’s no wonder the Director General was fretful.
Jasper Kirkby of CERN and his 62 co-authors, from 17 institutes in Europe and the USA, announce big effects of pions from an accelerator, which simulate the cosmic rays and ionize the air in the experimental chamber. The pions strongly promote the formation of clusters of sulphuric acid and water molecules – aerosols of the kind that may grow into cloud condensation nuclei on which cloud droplets form. What’s more, there’s a very important clarification of the chemistry involved.
A breach of etiquette
My interest in CLOUD goes back nearly 14 years, to a lecture I gave at CERN about Svensmark’s discovery of the link between cosmic rays and cloudiness. It piqued Kirkby’s curiosity, and both Svensmark and I were among those who helped him to prepare his proposal for CLOUD.
By an unpleasant irony, the only Svensmark contribution acknowledged in theNature report is the 1997 paper (Svensmark and Friis-Christensen) on which I based my CERN lecture. There’s no mention of the successful experiments in ion chemistry and molecular cluster formation by the Danish team in Copenhagen, Boulby and latterly in Aarhus where they beat CLOUD to the first results obtained using a particle beam (instead of gamma rays and natural cosmic rays) to ionize the air in the experimental chamber – see http://calderup.wordpress.com/2011/05/17/accelerator-results-on-cloud-nucleation-2/
What will historians of science make of this breach of scientific etiquette? That Kirkby was cross because Svensmark, losing patience with the long delay in getting approval and funding for CLOUD, took matters into his own hands? Or because Svensmark’s candour about cosmic rays casting doubt on catastrophic man-made global warming frightened the national funding agencies? Or was Kirkby simply doing his best (despite the results) to obey his Director General by slighting all things Danish?
Personal rivalries aside, the important question is what the new CLOUD paper means for the Svensmark hypothesis. Pick your way through the cautious prose and you’ll find this:
“Ion-induced nucleation [cosmic ray action] will manifest itself as a steady production of new particles [molecular clusters] that is difficult to isolate in atmospheric observations because of other sources of variability but is nevertheless taking place and could be quite large when averaged globally over the troposphere [the lower atmosphere].”
It’s so transparently favourable to what the Danes have said all along that I’m surprised the warmists’ house magazine Nature is able to publish it, even omitting the telltale graph shown at the start of this post. Added to the already favourable Danish experimental findings, the more detailed CERN result is excellent. Thanks a million, Jasper.
Enlightening chemistry
And in friendlier times we’d be sharing champagne for a fine discovery with CLOUD, that traces of ammonia can increase the production of the sulphuric clusters a thousandfold. It’s highlighted in the report’s title: “Role of sulphuric acid, ammonia and galactic cosmic rays in atmospheric aerosol nucleation” and it was made possible by the more elaborate chemical analysis in the big-team set-up in Geneva. In essence, the ammonia helps to stabilize the molecular clusters.
Although not saying it openly, the CLOUD team implies a put-down for the Danes with this result, repeatedly declaring that without ammonia there’d be little cluster production at low altitudes. But although the Aarhus experimenters did indeed assume the simpler reaction (H2SO4 + H2O), differing results in successive experimental runs made them suspect that varying amounts of trace impurities were present in the air cylinders used to fill their chamber. Now it looks as if a key impurity may have been ammonia. But some members of the CLOUD consortium also favoured (H2SO4 + H2O) and early runs in Geneva used no intentional ammonia. So they’ve little reason to scoff.
In any case, whether the basic chemistry is (H2SO4 + H2O) or (H2SO4 + H2O + NH3) is an academic rather than a practical point. There are always traces of ammonia in the real air, and according to the CLOUD report you need only one molecule in 30 billion. If that helps to oil Svensmark’s climatic motor, it’s good to know, but it calls for no apologies and alters the climatic implications not a jot.
The experiment’s logo. The acronym “Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets” always implied strong interest in Svensmark’s hypothesis. And the roles of the Galaxy and the Sun are acknowledged.Technically, CLOUD is a welcome advance on the Danish experiments. Not only is the chemistry wider ranging but molecular clusters as small as 1.7 nanometres in diameter are detectable, compared with 4 nm in Denmark. And the set-up enables the scientists to study the ion chemistry at lower temperatures, corresponding to increasing altitudes in the atmosphere. Cluster production soars as the temperature goes down, until “almost every negative ion gives rise to a new particle” [i.e. molecular cluster]. The lowest temperature reported in the paper is -25 oC. That corresponds to an altitude of 6000 metres, so unless you wish to visualize a rain of cloud-seeding aerosols from on high, it’s not very relevant to Svensmark’s interest in the lowest 3000 metres.
How the warmists built their dam
Shifting from my insider’s perspective on the CLOUD experiment, to see it on the broader canvas of the politicized climate science of the early 21st Century, the chief reaction becomes a weary sigh of relief. Although they never said so, the High Priests of the Inconvenient Truth – in such temples as NASA-GISS, Penn State and the University of East Anglia – always knew that Svensmark’s cosmic ray hypothesis was the principal threat to their sketchy and poorly modelled notions of self-amplifying action of greenhouse gases.
In telling how the obviously large influences of the Sun in previous centuries and millennia could be explained, and in applying the same mechanism to the 20th warming, Svensmark put the alarmist predictions at risk – and with them the billions of dollars flowing from anxious governments into the global warming enterprise.
For the dam that was meant to ward off a growing stream of discoveries coming from the spring in Copenhagen, the foundation was laid on the day after the Danes first announced the link between cosmic rays and clouds at a space conference in Birmingham, England, in 1996. “Scientifically extremely naïve and irresponsible,”Bert Bolin declared, as Chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
As several journalists misbehaved by reporting the story from Birmingham, the top priority was to tame the media. The first courses of masonry ensured that anything that Svensmark and his colleagues might say would be ignored or, failing that, be promptly rubbished by a warmist scientist. Posh papers like The Times of London and the New York Times, and posh TV channels like the BBC’s, readily fell into line. Enthusiastically warmist magazines like New Scientist and Scientific Americanneeded no coaching.
Similarly the journals Nature and Science, which in my youth prided themselves on reports that challenged prevailing paradigms, gladly provided cement for higher masonry, to hold the wicked hypothesis in check at the scientific level. Starve Svensmark of funding. Reject his scientific papers but give free rein to anyone who criticizes him. Trivialize the findings in the Holy Writ of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. None of this is paranoia on my part, but a matter of close personal observation since 1996.
“It’s the Sun, stupid!” The story isn’t really about a bunch of naughty Danish physicists. They are just spokesmen for the most luminous agent of climate change. As the Sun was what the warmists really wanted to tame with their dam, they couldn’t do it. And coming to the Danes’ aid, by briefly blasting away many cosmic rays with great puffs of gas, the Sun enabled the team to trace in detail the consequent reduction in cloud seeding and liquid water in clouds. See my posthttp://calderup.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/do-clouds-disappear/ By the way, that research also disposes of a morsel of doubt in the new CLOUD paper, about whether the small specks made by cosmic rays really grow sufficiently to seed cloud droplets.
As knowledge accumulated behind their dam and threatened to overtop it, the warmists had one last course to lay. Paradoxically it was CLOUD. Long delays with this experiment to explore the microchemical mechanism of the Svensmark effect became the chief excuse for deferring any re-evaluation of the Sun’s role in climate change. When the microchemical mechanism was revealed prematurely by the SKY experiment in Copenhagen and published in 2006, the warmists said, “No particle accelerator? That won’t do! Wait for CLOUD.” When the experiment in Aarhus confirmed the mechanism using a particle accelerator they said, “Oh that’s just the Danes again! Wait for CLOUD.”
Well they’ve waited and their dam has failed them.
Hall of Shame
Retracing those 14 years, what if physics had functioned as it is supposed to do? What if CLOUD, quickly approved and funded, had verified the Svensmark effect with all the authority of CERN, in the early 2000s. What if the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had done a responsible job, acknowledging the role of the Sun and curtailing the prophecies of catastrophic warming?
For a start there would have no surprise about the “travesty” that global warming has stopped since the mid-1990s, with the Sun becoming sulky. Vast sums might have been saved on misdirected research and technology, and on climate change fests and wheezes of every kind. The world’s poor and their fragile living environment could have had far more useful help than precautions against warming.
And there would have been less time for so many eminent folk from science, politics, industry, finance, the media and the arts to be taken in by man-made climate catastrophe. (In London, for example, from the Royal Society to the National Theatre.) Sadly for them, in the past ten years they’ve crowded with their warmist badges into a Hall of Shame, like bankers before the crash.
As I reported on May 14th, 2011 in Update on the CERN CLOUD experiment:
From Physics World Head in a CLOUD:
In this special video report for physicsworld.com CLOUD project leader Jasper Kirkby explains what his team is trying to achieve with its experiment. “We’re trying to understand what the connection is between a cosmic ray going through the atmosphere and the creation of so-called aerosol seeds – the seed for a cloud droplet or an ice particle,” Kirkby explains.
The CLOUD experiment recreates these cloud-forming processes by directing the beamline at CERN’s proton synchrotron into a stainless-steel chamber containing very pure air and selected trace gases.
One of the aims of the experiment is to discover details of cloud formation that could feed back into climate models. “Everybody agrees that clouds have a huge effect on the climate. But the understanding of how big that effect is is really very poorly known,” says Kirkby.
Here’s the video, click image below to launch it.
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More coverage: Big hat tip to WUWT reader “Andrew20”
Cosmic rays get ahead in CLOUD
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2011/August/24081102.asp
Cloud formation may be linked to cosmic rays
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110824/full/news.2011.504.html
Cloud formation study casts a shadow over certain climate models
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Update: From Nigel Calder’s blog
A graph they’d prefer you not to notice. Tucked away near the end of online supplementary material, and omitted from the printed CLOUD paper in Nature, it clearly shows how cosmic rays promote the formation of clusters of molecules (“particles”) that in the real atmosphere can grow and seed clouds. In an early-morning experimental run at CERN, starting at 03.45, ultraviolet light began making sulphuric acid molecules in the chamber, while a strong electric field cleansed the air of ions. It also tended to remove molecular clusters made in the neutral environment (n) but some of these accumulated at a low rate. As soon as the electric field was switched off at 04.33, natural cosmic rays (gcr) raining down through the roof of the experimental hall in Geneva helped to build clusters at a higher rate. How do we know they were contributing? Because when, at 04.58, CLOUD simulated stronger cosmic rays with a beam of charged pion particles (ch) from the accelerator, the rate of cluster production became faster still. The various colours are for clusters of different diameters (in nanometres) as recorded by various instruments. The largest (black) took longer to grow than the smallest (blue). This is Fig. S2c from supplementary online material for J. Kirkby et al., Nature, 476, 429-433, © Nature 2011
“More info from the New Scientist article – any view on this?
Other evidence shows that even if cosmic rays do affect the climate, the effect must be small. Changes in the number of cosmic rays hitting the atmosphere due to changes in solar activity cannot explain global warming, as average cosmic ray intensities have been increasing since 1985 even as the world has warmed – the opposite of what should happen if cosmic rays produce climate-cooling clouds”
Well that tells me all I need to know about the New Scientist then.
Yes average GCR counts have started increasing since 1985, but they were still high relative to the quieter solar cycles in from the past (until the last minimum). Consider a radiator warming a room from a cool base, but turned up high. Then the radiator is turned down very slightly. The room will most likely continue to warm at a lower rate, until some kind of equilibrium is reached; throw the oceans into the mix and you have a pretty good representation of what’s been happening with our climate. It certainly doesn’t fit with CO2 as a climate driver anyway.
Louise says:
August 24, 2011 at 11:13 am
“Rather than quote the GWPF’s interpretation of the report, why not quote straight from Nature where it says….”
Oh dear Louise! Why bother with nature when the surprisingly omit a certain graph!
Lets try http://calderup.wordpress.com/ to see the graph so we can make our own minds up and not allow Nature to lead us by the nose. Nature has been responsible for some outrageous nosebleeds of late!
I think everyone here needs to take a deep breath and realise the AGW scam has years to run yet.
One of it’s legs maybe a bit shaky but the other three, MSM, Politicos and ignorance of the sheeple are still holding firm at the moment.
The funding doesn’t help either as AGW takes all the money leaving the ‘Deniers*’ not much left.
But although the Climate Scientists have been putting bits of paper under there leg it looks like the start of the end for the Catastrophic part of global warming.
*The official name given to sceptical people of AGW
Dr. Svensmark deserves two Nobel Prizes, one for his discovery and the second for persistance.
It is obvious that the sun has a major impact on climate it was the exact mechanism that needed to be unravelled. Dr. Svensmark and his team, despite lack of money and facilities, worked to find the truth.
Well done. But more work is needed to get this discovery into the main stream of science so the stupidity of AGW can be long forgotten.
Does anybody know a website that we can fallow the information about cosmic ray entrance to the Earth’s atmosphere?
I think this is a great result, as it opens up the opportunity for further experiment and study of a possible role for GCRs in cloud formation. Even if it doesn’t prove anything, it doesn’t refute Svensmark’s theory, either. It is one more step forward.
And by the way, Leif Svaalgard, don’t be such a killjoy. I still think there is reason for cheerful acceptance of the result here, and that is not necessarily a proof of confirmation bias. I won’t overreact, but I can be cheerful about this.
Henrik Svensmark deserves the Nobel Prize in Physics.
Ecotretas
I look forward to the models being reformulated to take account of this finding. It means not only that more cosmic rays will cause more effect but that more cosmic ray collisions will produce more effect so recasting through Pinatubo and other global and regional aerosol changes over time will take on a new significance.
It’s another arrow in the elephant. It is surely going to tone down implications in much of the msm that the science is settled and only deniers deny it. Segments of the msm will start hedging more, not wanting to be on the wrong side of history.
At year-end, or maybe sooner, I hope there’ll be a thread here that lists the important “hits” the elephant has taken this year. (E.g., Spencer’s paper, Lindzen’s paper, etc.)
R. Gates says:
August 24, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Milankovitch is the trigger, CO2 is the thermostat.
Hi Gates
You got a typo there, it should read:
Milankovic is the trigger, CO2 is the thermometer !</b?
(btw. correct speling is Milankovic or Serbian: Милутин Миланковић)
I’ve not read all of this (yet) but, has anyone followed Mr Colose’s links?
They’re all pretty well inter-related (only one real source) andone of the abstracts reads:— (my emphasis)
In this paper, we present the first calculations of the magnitude of the ion-aerosol clear-air mechanism using a general circulation model with online aerosol microphysics. In our simulations, changes in CCN from changes in cosmic rays during a solar cycle are two orders of magnitude too small to account for the observed changes in cloud properties;
Need anyone say more….
R. Gates says:
August 24, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Milankovitch is the trigger, CO2 is the thermostat.
Hi Gates
You got a typo there, it should read:
Milankovic is the trigger, CO2 is the thermometer !
(btw. correct speling is Milankovic or Serbian: Милутин Миланковић)
phlogiston says:
August 24, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Opponents of Svensmark like to use the neutron flux as an index of cosmic rays, to point to trends not correlating with climate. Very convenient, since neutrons, being neutral, are unaffected by charged particle solar wind or by magnetic fields, key players in the Svensmark hypothesis. Neutron flux is irrelevant to this discussion.
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You are confused. The neutrons are the result of the collision of primary cosmic rays (mainly protons) with atoms in the atmosphere.
If the neutron flux was unaffected by magnetic fields, why does it show a cycles at solar frequencies?
DirkH says:
August 24, 2011 at 12:03 pm
The EU is going to be history in short order. What we are witnessing is the final failure of socialism. USSR has already failed, now the ‘nice’ socialists are falling apart. You simply cannot run a society with fantasy economics because eventually someone will demand payment for the bills. AGW was only an attempt to get more taxes out of everyone and now it, because it is based on a fantasy, will go by the wayside. Funding for all science is going to get fairly dicey, as all government spending will.
Folks, we’re out of money. We will either cut spending voluntarily, or have it cut with monstrous inflation rates. Right now, I don’t know which way the American experiment in socialism is going to go. Time will tell. Either way, its going to be painful for a lot of people. Addictions always are, whether it kills you or you recover.
Meanwhile, I’m going to sit back and enjoy this science on GCR effects on our climate unfold.
Great posting and came when I was wondering when we were going to get an update on CLOUD. Wonderful article.
Once again, Anthony, thanks for running this website.
Erm… does this mean my car tax is going to go down?
Leif Svalgaard says:
August 24, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Robert of Ottawa says:
August 24, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Well, now we know that UV output from the Sun varies more widly than TSI
UV is but a small fraction of TSI.
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Yes Leif, it is a small fraction, but the UV interacts with particles that are not visible in the human-detectable spectrum of light. Visible light interacts with particles down to 0.1 microns. When satellites take photos of clouds, they use visible light, but there are vast clouds of particles that reflect UV light which cannot be seen in a standard photograph or camera.
The albedo of the Earth changes much more in the UB spectrum than in the visible one. The argument that TSI dose not change much is a mis-direction. It changes in an important portion of the spectrum (by a factor of about 100) and there is a substantial result: interaction with particles in the air smaller than 0.1 microns. These particles would look white if we could detect UV with our eyes, but they remain invisible and it has been presumed all along that these clouds are not present.
I have checked the spectra that are used to make assessments of albedo and though the UV data is collected by satellite, the high frequency portion is consistently omitted from the assessment – much to my surprise. The absence of any recognition that there are significant invisible (and variable) clouds of small particles shading the Earth is a gap that must be corrected.
The GCR-induced particles (CCN’s) have been studied along with cloud formation by all sorts of people. This claim they do not produce drops – visible ones – is poppycock and I think they well know it. It is obfuscation. Beyond admitting that there is a clear causal relationship between CCN and cloud formation, they should admit the existence of off-the-scope clouds that interact well with the very solar spectra that are the most variable.
phlogiston says:
August 24, 2011 at 10:20 pm
feet2thefire says:
August 24, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Well said, I was lost for words about this imbecilic New Scientist diatribe. The magazine has descended still lower into incoherent nonsensical AGW-fanaticism. Very sad.
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Around 25 years ago, my best friend, a post-doc at Stanford at the time, had a subscription to this POS (I had more sense than to actually pay for it myself). He would pass the issues along to me to read.
It actually was about as crap back then, believe it or not. The meme then was “British scientists discover X and Y”, which was actually a translation to “Underfunded British scientists read paper by Nobel Prize-winning American scientists and understood it enough to tell us what it was about”.
It “caters to” that whole (large) group of highly educated British folk who could have been professional career scientists if there had been enough jobs in science to employ them. Kinda sad really.
Why it has morphed into the New Lysenkoist is puzzling, although I suspect it has something to do with money changing hands.
Chris Colose – August 24, 2011 at 1:04 pm
The first link you gave leads to a paper by Sloan & Wolfendale — Testing the proposed causal link between cosmic rays and cloud cover. Included in the abstract is the following:
“From the absence of corroborative evidence, we estimate that less than 23%, at the 95% confidence level, of the 11 year cycle change in the globally averaged cloud cover observed in solar cycle 22 is due to the change in the rate of ionization from the solar modulation of cosmic rays.”
I’m not sure how this necessarily shows that Svensmark’s ideas are “too small to matter”.
The second link is to Pierce & Adams — Can cosmic rays affect cloud condensation nuclei by altering new particle formation rates?
Their results are based on a model which tells us nothing, especially in view of the fact that Svensmark’s work and the CLOUD results are from observation and experimentation.
Neither of these papers has, at first sight, sufficient validity to dismiss the cosmic ray hypothesis out of hand.
@Derek Sorensen
Anthony’s gaff; Anthony’s rules.
I should have thought that as the owner of a(n) (apparently unpopular, certainly shy of postings, comments and visitors) blog, you, of all people, would appreciate that. You don’t like it here? Go forth and multiply.
He ducks (avoids debates) like a quack!
If this isn’t the final nail in the coffin for CAGW, I don’t know what is.Svensmark deserves a Nobel Price, but only after the ones of Gore and Pachauri are taken back.
The endgame has finally started. Victory is near!!!
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Jaspar Kirby himself states these experimental results show us nothing about cosmic ray effect on climate………..
“Early results seem to indicate that cosmic rays do cause a change. The high-energy protons seemed to enhance the production of nanometre-sized particles from the gaseous atmosphere by more than a factor of ten.
Kirkby adds, those particles are far too small to serve as seeds for clouds. “At the moment, it actually says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate, but it’s a very important first step,” he says.”
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110824/full/news.2011.504.html
Roger Knights says:
August 25, 2011 at 4:03 am
tarpon says:
August 24, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Sorry Al but you were and are a quack.
He ducks (avoids debates) like a quack!
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Al Gore doesn’t quack like a duck.
He ducks like a quack.
I think you may have the “Quote of the Week”.
The irony… The graph attached to this looks like a hockey stick 🙂
I’ve just been looking at the media response and the way this piece has been leaked to all the “warmist” media ahead of any that hold a sceptical position is the height of hypocrisy at CERN.
They were the one who said they didn’t want to politicise it … QUITE CLEARLY THE RELEASE OF THIS RESEARCH HAS BEEN HEAVILY PUMP-PRIMED IN THE WARMIST MEDIA WITH A VERY OBVIOUS STALINIST-TYPE PARTY LINE: nothing to see here … move along.
If I worked at CERN I would be disgusted with the overt politicisation in the release of this research … all the worse because the head of CERN explicitly stated that no CERN employees should comment to avoid precisely the policitisiation which those releasing the research seemed to have participated in.
Shame on them!
If you get the DVD ‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’ on the special features section the anchovy and sardines fluctuation is explained there. But I promised Anthony I now have the article where you are mentioned along with Joanne Nova. It’s connected to the Convoy of No Confidence rally in Canberra. Some of the snide comments have been woeful. Minister Combet announced to the National Press club it was a convoy of no consequence. Another Brown the Green said it was a rally of wingers and no hopers. And one minister called in a convoy of incontinence (can’t control their pee). It was a terrible insult for the thousands who supported this convoy. They travelled from all over Australia, with crowds waving them on. And those that backed them in spirit at least are now considered no hopers and incontinent by some government ministers and journalists.
The site where you are mentioned is
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2850098.html.
Have fun replying eh. I got this link from Joanne Nova’s site. The GGWswindle is on UTube by the way, but I am not sure if the section on the anchovy/sardines and cosmic rays and clouds is there too. I’ll take a look.