
UPDATE: see some reactions to this announcement here
From the GWPF
This refers to the CLOUD experiment at CERN.
I’ll have more on this as it develops (updated twice since the original report now), but for the short term, it appears that a non-visible light irradiance effect on Earth’s cloud seeds has been confirmed. The way it is posited to work is that the effect of cosmic rays (modulated by the sun’s magnetic variations which either allow more or deflect more cosmic rays) creates cloud condensation nuclei in the Earth’s atmosphere. With more condensation nuclei, more clouds form and vice-versa. Clouds have significant effects on TSI at the surface.
Even the IPCC has admitted this in their latest (2007) report:
“Cloud feedbacks are the primary source of inter-model differences in equilibrium climate sensitivity, with low cloud being the largest contributor”.
Update: From the Nature article, Kirkby is a bit more muted in his assessment than the GWPF:
Early results seem to indicate that cosmic rays do cause a change. The high-energy protons seemed to enhance the production of nanometre-sized particles from the gaseous atmosphere by more than a factor of ten. But, Kirkby adds, those particles are far too small to serve as seeds for clouds. “At the moment, it actually says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate, but it’s a very important first step,” he says.
Update: Bizarrely, New Scientist headlines with: Cloud-making: Another human effect on the climate
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CERN Experiment Confirms Cosmic Rays Influence Climate Change.
by Nigel Calder
Long-anticipated results of the CLOUD experiment at CERN in Geneva appear in tomorrow’s issue of the journal Nature (25 August). The Director General of CERN stirred controversy last month, by saying that the CLOUD team’s report should be politically correct about climate change (see my 17 July post below). The implication was that they should on no account endorse the Danish heresy – Henrik Svensmark’s hypothesis that most of the global warming of the 20th Century can be explained by the reduction in cosmic rays due to livelier solar activity, resulting in less low cloud cover and warmer surface temperatures.
Willy-nilly the results speak for themselves, and it’s no wonder the Director General was fretful.
Jasper Kirkby of CERN and his 62 co-authors, from 17 institutes in Europe and the USA, announce big effects of pions from an accelerator, which simulate the cosmic rays and ionize the air in the experimental chamber. The pions strongly promote the formation of clusters of sulphuric acid and water molecules – aerosols of the kind that may grow into cloud condensation nuclei on which cloud droplets form. What’s more, there’s a very important clarification of the chemistry involved.
A breach of etiquette
My interest in CLOUD goes back nearly 14 years, to a lecture I gave at CERN about Svensmark’s discovery of the link between cosmic rays and cloudiness. It piqued Kirkby’s curiosity, and both Svensmark and I were among those who helped him to prepare his proposal for CLOUD.
By an unpleasant irony, the only Svensmark contribution acknowledged in theNature report is the 1997 paper (Svensmark and Friis-Christensen) on which I based my CERN lecture. There’s no mention of the successful experiments in ion chemistry and molecular cluster formation by the Danish team in Copenhagen, Boulby and latterly in Aarhus where they beat CLOUD to the first results obtained using a particle beam (instead of gamma rays and natural cosmic rays) to ionize the air in the experimental chamber – see http://calderup.wordpress.com/2011/05/17/accelerator-results-on-cloud-nucleation-2/
What will historians of science make of this breach of scientific etiquette? That Kirkby was cross because Svensmark, losing patience with the long delay in getting approval and funding for CLOUD, took matters into his own hands? Or because Svensmark’s candour about cosmic rays casting doubt on catastrophic man-made global warming frightened the national funding agencies? Or was Kirkby simply doing his best (despite the results) to obey his Director General by slighting all things Danish?
Personal rivalries aside, the important question is what the new CLOUD paper means for the Svensmark hypothesis. Pick your way through the cautious prose and you’ll find this:
“Ion-induced nucleation [cosmic ray action] will manifest itself as a steady production of new particles [molecular clusters] that is difficult to isolate in atmospheric observations because of other sources of variability but is nevertheless taking place and could be quite large when averaged globally over the troposphere [the lower atmosphere].”
It’s so transparently favourable to what the Danes have said all along that I’m surprised the warmists’ house magazine Nature is able to publish it, even omitting the telltale graph shown at the start of this post. Added to the already favourable Danish experimental findings, the more detailed CERN result is excellent. Thanks a million, Jasper.
Enlightening chemistry
And in friendlier times we’d be sharing champagne for a fine discovery with CLOUD, that traces of ammonia can increase the production of the sulphuric clusters a thousandfold. It’s highlighted in the report’s title: “Role of sulphuric acid, ammonia and galactic cosmic rays in atmospheric aerosol nucleation” and it was made possible by the more elaborate chemical analysis in the big-team set-up in Geneva. In essence, the ammonia helps to stabilize the molecular clusters.
Although not saying it openly, the CLOUD team implies a put-down for the Danes with this result, repeatedly declaring that without ammonia there’d be little cluster production at low altitudes. But although the Aarhus experimenters did indeed assume the simpler reaction (H2SO4 + H2O), differing results in successive experimental runs made them suspect that varying amounts of trace impurities were present in the air cylinders used to fill their chamber. Now it looks as if a key impurity may have been ammonia. But some members of the CLOUD consortium also favoured (H2SO4 + H2O) and early runs in Geneva used no intentional ammonia. So they’ve little reason to scoff.
In any case, whether the basic chemistry is (H2SO4 + H2O) or (H2SO4 + H2O + NH3) is an academic rather than a practical point. There are always traces of ammonia in the real air, and according to the CLOUD report you need only one molecule in 30 billion. If that helps to oil Svensmark’s climatic motor, it’s good to know, but it calls for no apologies and alters the climatic implications not a jot.
The experiment’s logo. The acronym “Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets” always implied strong interest in Svensmark’s hypothesis. And the roles of the Galaxy and the Sun are acknowledged.Technically, CLOUD is a welcome advance on the Danish experiments. Not only is the chemistry wider ranging but molecular clusters as small as 1.7 nanometres in diameter are detectable, compared with 4 nm in Denmark. And the set-up enables the scientists to study the ion chemistry at lower temperatures, corresponding to increasing altitudes in the atmosphere. Cluster production soars as the temperature goes down, until “almost every negative ion gives rise to a new particle” [i.e. molecular cluster]. The lowest temperature reported in the paper is -25 oC. That corresponds to an altitude of 6000 metres, so unless you wish to visualize a rain of cloud-seeding aerosols from on high, it’s not very relevant to Svensmark’s interest in the lowest 3000 metres.
How the warmists built their dam
Shifting from my insider’s perspective on the CLOUD experiment, to see it on the broader canvas of the politicized climate science of the early 21st Century, the chief reaction becomes a weary sigh of relief. Although they never said so, the High Priests of the Inconvenient Truth – in such temples as NASA-GISS, Penn State and the University of East Anglia – always knew that Svensmark’s cosmic ray hypothesis was the principal threat to their sketchy and poorly modelled notions of self-amplifying action of greenhouse gases.
In telling how the obviously large influences of the Sun in previous centuries and millennia could be explained, and in applying the same mechanism to the 20th warming, Svensmark put the alarmist predictions at risk – and with them the billions of dollars flowing from anxious governments into the global warming enterprise.
For the dam that was meant to ward off a growing stream of discoveries coming from the spring in Copenhagen, the foundation was laid on the day after the Danes first announced the link between cosmic rays and clouds at a space conference in Birmingham, England, in 1996. “Scientifically extremely naïve and irresponsible,”Bert Bolin declared, as Chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
As several journalists misbehaved by reporting the story from Birmingham, the top priority was to tame the media. The first courses of masonry ensured that anything that Svensmark and his colleagues might say would be ignored or, failing that, be promptly rubbished by a warmist scientist. Posh papers like The Times of London and the New York Times, and posh TV channels like the BBC’s, readily fell into line. Enthusiastically warmist magazines like New Scientist and Scientific Americanneeded no coaching.
Similarly the journals Nature and Science, which in my youth prided themselves on reports that challenged prevailing paradigms, gladly provided cement for higher masonry, to hold the wicked hypothesis in check at the scientific level. Starve Svensmark of funding. Reject his scientific papers but give free rein to anyone who criticizes him. Trivialize the findings in the Holy Writ of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. None of this is paranoia on my part, but a matter of close personal observation since 1996.
“It’s the Sun, stupid!” The story isn’t really about a bunch of naughty Danish physicists. They are just spokesmen for the most luminous agent of climate change. As the Sun was what the warmists really wanted to tame with their dam, they couldn’t do it. And coming to the Danes’ aid, by briefly blasting away many cosmic rays with great puffs of gas, the Sun enabled the team to trace in detail the consequent reduction in cloud seeding and liquid water in clouds. See my posthttp://calderup.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/do-clouds-disappear/ By the way, that research also disposes of a morsel of doubt in the new CLOUD paper, about whether the small specks made by cosmic rays really grow sufficiently to seed cloud droplets.
As knowledge accumulated behind their dam and threatened to overtop it, the warmists had one last course to lay. Paradoxically it was CLOUD. Long delays with this experiment to explore the microchemical mechanism of the Svensmark effect became the chief excuse for deferring any re-evaluation of the Sun’s role in climate change. When the microchemical mechanism was revealed prematurely by the SKY experiment in Copenhagen and published in 2006, the warmists said, “No particle accelerator? That won’t do! Wait for CLOUD.” When the experiment in Aarhus confirmed the mechanism using a particle accelerator they said, “Oh that’s just the Danes again! Wait for CLOUD.”
Well they’ve waited and their dam has failed them.
Hall of Shame
Retracing those 14 years, what if physics had functioned as it is supposed to do? What if CLOUD, quickly approved and funded, had verified the Svensmark effect with all the authority of CERN, in the early 2000s. What if the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had done a responsible job, acknowledging the role of the Sun and curtailing the prophecies of catastrophic warming?
For a start there would have no surprise about the “travesty” that global warming has stopped since the mid-1990s, with the Sun becoming sulky. Vast sums might have been saved on misdirected research and technology, and on climate change fests and wheezes of every kind. The world’s poor and their fragile living environment could have had far more useful help than precautions against warming.
And there would have been less time for so many eminent folk from science, politics, industry, finance, the media and the arts to be taken in by man-made climate catastrophe. (In London, for example, from the Royal Society to the National Theatre.) Sadly for them, in the past ten years they’ve crowded with their warmist badges into a Hall of Shame, like bankers before the crash.
As I reported on May 14th, 2011 in Update on the CERN CLOUD experiment:
From Physics World Head in a CLOUD:
In this special video report for physicsworld.com CLOUD project leader Jasper Kirkby explains what his team is trying to achieve with its experiment. “We’re trying to understand what the connection is between a cosmic ray going through the atmosphere and the creation of so-called aerosol seeds – the seed for a cloud droplet or an ice particle,” Kirkby explains.
The CLOUD experiment recreates these cloud-forming processes by directing the beamline at CERN’s proton synchrotron into a stainless-steel chamber containing very pure air and selected trace gases.
One of the aims of the experiment is to discover details of cloud formation that could feed back into climate models. “Everybody agrees that clouds have a huge effect on the climate. But the understanding of how big that effect is is really very poorly known,” says Kirkby.
Here’s the video, click image below to launch it.
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More coverage: Big hat tip to WUWT reader “Andrew20”
Cosmic rays get ahead in CLOUD
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2011/August/24081102.asp
Cloud formation may be linked to cosmic rays
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110824/full/news.2011.504.html
Cloud formation study casts a shadow over certain climate models
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Update: From Nigel Calder’s blog
A graph they’d prefer you not to notice. Tucked away near the end of online supplementary material, and omitted from the printed CLOUD paper in Nature, it clearly shows how cosmic rays promote the formation of clusters of molecules (“particles”) that in the real atmosphere can grow and seed clouds. In an early-morning experimental run at CERN, starting at 03.45, ultraviolet light began making sulphuric acid molecules in the chamber, while a strong electric field cleansed the air of ions. It also tended to remove molecular clusters made in the neutral environment (n) but some of these accumulated at a low rate. As soon as the electric field was switched off at 04.33, natural cosmic rays (gcr) raining down through the roof of the experimental hall in Geneva helped to build clusters at a higher rate. How do we know they were contributing? Because when, at 04.58, CLOUD simulated stronger cosmic rays with a beam of charged pion particles (ch) from the accelerator, the rate of cluster production became faster still. The various colours are for clusters of different diameters (in nanometres) as recorded by various instruments. The largest (black) took longer to grow than the smallest (blue). This is Fig. S2c from supplementary online material for J. Kirkby et al., Nature, 476, 429-433, © Nature 2011
feet2thefire says:
August 24, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Yeah, Anthony, about the New Scientist article, which begins:
Cloud-making: Another human effect on the climate
IN HIS Gaia hypothesis, James Lovelock famously suggested that living organisms could affect clouds – and he was eventually proved right. Now it seems the effect may be even stronger than we thought. Organic vapours released by organisms such as trees, marine bacteria and livestock appear to play a far more important role in cloud formation than suspected.
“This was a big surprise,” says Jasper Kirkby at CERN near Geneva, Switzerland, whose team made the finding. Since our activities have such a huge impact on the biosphere, this hints at a previously unknown way in which humans can affect the climate, he says.”
1. Those two bold examples are the only times “human” is used in the article.
2. The italicized example is the only time “our” is used in the article.
3. The two paragraphs don’t even connect. P1 talks about organisms playing a part in cloud formation. P2 talks about “our activities” and “humans” affecting the climate – with NO basis laid before either assertion. How does one go from “trees, marine bacteria and livestock” to “our activities” and “humans” affecting the climate? With NO connective facts or evidence between the two statements, the two sentences might as well read,
4. “This was a big surprise” applies to organisms. The very next sentence – without any groundwork being laid – jumps down humans’ throats.
5. I guess such writing would be pardonable if the connection were made farther on down in the article. I’ve been through it three times, and neither the headline,nor the assertions in P2 are followed up on.
6. The headline ONLY applies to the sans-foundation statements in P2, which is neither explained beforehand nor after P2.
Essentially P1 and P2 say this: “Trees and animals and bacteria were shown to have a huge effect – therefore let’s blame humans for nucleation and cloud formation.” Huh??????
WTF???
Can we say “off topic”?
What the HELL editor would pass such horrendous nonsensical point-making/connecting?
Let’s see if we can be stupid, too:
“Animals are warm or cold-blooded, therefore the Sun is hot.”
“Sunspots have an 11 year cycle, on average, therefore life is like a box of chocolates.”
“Wayne Gretzky was a brilliant hockey player, ergo Einstein was smart.”
“17 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia and Egypt, so let’s invade Iraq.”
Is my IQ going down, or is this the stupidest and worst written article EVER. in the history of mankind and all intelligent life in the several universes?
Well said, I was lost for words about this imbecilic New Scientist diatribe. The magazine has descended still lower into incoherent nonsensical AGW-fanaticism. Very sad.
Opponents of Svensmark like to use the neutron flux as an index of cosmic rays, to point to trends not correlating with climate. Very convenient, since neutrons, being neutral, are unaffected by charged particle solar wind or by magnetic fields, key players in the Svensmark hypothesis. Neutron flux is irrelevant to this discussion.
This is great news. Right? Oh wait. Not if you believe that the entire world’s temperature is controlled by an essential, nonpoisonous gas that makes up less than a percent of the atmosphere and which every plant craves.
Here is a new version of a poem I wrote some years ago – Enjoy!
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To Invent Armageddon
When software can model worlds ending in flame,
While Hansen and Gore paint brushstrokes of blame,
And other false prophets scream, “GREEN” in their name,
We all drive around in our carbon-mobiles,
immersed in the guilt of spinning our wheels,
Intent on respecting all life on the planet,
So billions are spent demonizing a trace gas…
Warming and cooling are twins of the world,
But one twin is cruel and one twin is good.
You’d know the cruel one if you saw his work,
When fog freezes flesh and wolves howl in the murk,
When the Vikings were booted from Greenland’s embrace,
And the so-called “little ice-age” tried it’s best to erase
All that we made that the warm winds delivered,
As the darkness descended, we froze and we shivered,
Awaiting the warming that came far too slow
For the millions that starved, crops frozen in snow.
The globe still recovers and glaciers still melt,
And though a chill in the air can almost be felt,
There’s nothing more normal than warming that’s global,
Despite Chicken Littles droning on about weather
And whether or not science daring to question
Their dogma is legal, and should even be mentioned,
Their hockey-stick lies tilt mad at the skies,
To invent armageddon, true science DIES…
© Dave Stephens 2011
http://www.caricaturesbydave.com
Will someone please pass this along to Mr Revkin? Its time to rely on honest science and stop sipping and pouring the political nectar of a perceived, but non-existent physical state and system. Let’s encourage people to stop the naysaying about actual, data based science inquiry, and wake up. Unless, of course, some of the the MSM (have bought into the political issue of reducing oil dependency at all cost) have bought into the junk science to advance personal political goals under the guise of “science”. Mr Revkin? It will crumble.
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Theo Goodwin says:
August 24, 2011 at 11:20 am
Wonderful article. The great benefits that will come from the work of this team and Svensmark include the fact that this is genuine science, conducted entirely within the standards of scientific method, that Svensmark and friends are really good explicators of their work for the common person, unlike everyone who is a “mainstream climate scientist,” and that the public will get to learn the difference between genuine science and what the MSM has passed off as science.
Also, there is the small matter of the politicians who jumped on the “global warming” bandwagon and the settled science who will now learn that the science wasn’t settled.
Big hat tip to WUWT reader “Andrew20″
Who is Andrew20?
🙂
This is how you turn what should have been a real barn-burner into a yawn-fest. Maybe in the end it will be best that solid science does NOT blast into the popular media with dramatic headlines. That’s the thing that corrupted what science there was behind AGW theory in its infancy into the caricature it has become.
andrew:
“More info from the New Scientist article – any view on this?”
Yes, it is a non-sequitur.
It implicitly assumes that global surface temperature responds instantaneously to a change in a forcing. That isn’t the way climate works. The earth’s thermosphere is three dimensional, far more massive than its two dimensional surface layer, and the largest components of those enormous masses are mobile in all three of those dimensions. The people who made that fallacious arguement understand this. They are simply dishonest, and betting that they will get away with it.
Kirkby talks about the role of dust and other large aerosols in his 2000 – 2001 proposals. Is this feedback not part of his experiment?
Give Chris Colose a break. He’s only a know-it-all student. One day he’ll grow up.
Oh, noes! Svensmark can’t possibly be vindicated (well done to the Danish Dazzler)!
Expect a report from
HansenNASA that these pesky cosmic rays are actually being fired byCO2 hating alienspangalactic green* police to lull us all into a false sense of pre-invasion security.*grey denotes the detective bureau
Dr. Svensmark has this reaction: “Of course, there are many things to explore, but I think that the cosmic-ray/cloud-seeding hypothesis is converging with reality.”
Source: Physics world
@- phlogiston says:
“Opponents of Svensmark like to use the neutron flux as an index of cosmic rays, to point to trends not correlating with climate. Very convenient, since neutrons, being neutral, are unaffected by charged particle solar wind or by magnetic fields,”
The flux detected by neutron detectors reflects the total cosmic ray flux including the majority of charged muons.
Thats why it shows the variations in step with the solar cycle and smaller changes in response to geomagnetic variations.
So this experiment shows cosmic rays have no effect at low altitudes and only ~15% change at high altitudes when switched on and off. And then only of nuclei far too small to cause cloud condensation.
But cosmic ray variation is only around 10%-20%, so it would only alter the rate of formation of these small nuclei by a few percent.
The real result from this is that organic compounds are the dominant factor, cosmics are a sideshow.
“Update: Bizarrely, New Scientist headlines with: Cloud-making: Another human effect on the climate”
Well, one of the results of the experiments is that another vapor besides the ones that were included in the test (sulphuric acid, water and ammonia) is necessary cloud formation. According to dr. Kirkby this vapor is either natural or man-made in origin. Since most likely clouds were present before humans were walking on this earth, I consider it more likely that it is natural in origin.
UK Sceptic says: August 24, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Expect a report from
HansenNASA that these pesky cosmic rays are actually being fired byCO2 hating alienspangalactic green* police to lull us all into a false sense of pre-invasion security.You sceptic!!
… but then again everyone seems to want to be a sceptic now – even the most ardent warmist zealots have suddenly embraced scepticism – now that real science is on our side!
commieBob says:
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Number of points:
– The Earth’s magnetic field (gmf) is far stronger modulator of GCRs then the heliospheric mf (protects the Earth from deadly radiation from both the sun and the cosmic rays).
– Since 1800 the gmf lost about 10% of its strength, so the GCR count should have strongly gone up ( and clouds).
– The gmf intensity moves in the opposite direction to the solar mf: http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LFC9.htm
– There is a good correlation between temperature movements and the gmf: http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/LL.htm , http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/CO2-dBz.htm (CO2 correlation can be safely ignored as you can see in the graph) and http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/NFC1.htm
So, if there is a GCR-climate link than the feedback is positive (clouds also have warming effect, prevent heat escape particularly at night and winter).
Despite all of the above, I think that the GCR count is too low (unless there is some kind of ‘chain reaction’ within cloud formation process) to make any significant difference.
Some time ago I wrote to Svensmark asking for a comment on the stronger modulation by the gmf since 1800, but never got a reply.
Looks like New Scientist is going full quantum on climate. “If you see it, you are affecting it.”
Perhaps a short-cut to finding the next steps from an increase in droplet precursors caused by GCRs to clouds could be found in the historical information about the after effects of aerial nuclear bomb tests?
Derek Sorensen says:
It’s Anthony’s blog. He can do what he likes. So can Gavin Schmidt on his blog. But Schmidt’s behaviour makes his blog useless for serious discussion, Anthony’s policies let everyone have a say.
And for all those who studied tree rings in their pursuit of CO2, we have this from 2009;
…the relation of the rings to the solar cycle was much stronger than it was to any of the climatological factors we had looked at…
And a reminder of Svensmark 2007.
Now I know how cloud form at night.
I thought AGW was dead when, in the mid naughties, the Aqua satellite system failed to find the tropospheric heat island which I had been led to believe would be a required symptom of runaway global warming. However instead of being happy that the climate was not storing heat in the troposphere, thus preventing heat escaping from the surface, the cAGW alarmists then stated that they never claimed a tropospheric heat island was necessary.
Since then as more and more measurements poked more and more holes in the cAGW runaway warming theory, the more the cAGW alarmists have jumped on other unrelated events as evidence that it is “worse than we thought”. They ignore sea level rise slowing; actual temperatures levelling off; the examination and revelation as to the “hockey team’s” less than scientific method; tree rings being a terrible proxy for temperature; the Yamal tree YADO61; measurements showing the climate’s sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 is low; the acceptance that there is no arctic ice melt tipping point and now this…
This will not kill the cAGW belief. I guess at this stage that it would take the onset of a full blown ice age to do that, and although the onset of that ice-age will be blamed on man, the extent of the ice sheets will kill off so many people that it will no longer be an issue.
Well done but actually I knew this years ago, if you get the DVD The Great Global Warming Swindle, on one of the extras there is a report about this, and why anchovies and sardine numbers varied around Canada (I think) it was because of the amount of fresh (rain water) water that poured into the sea and the fish moved on to better places. Solar activity prevents cosmic rays coming in contact with atmospheric water molecules they deflect them. This has been going on for millions of years. Why deserts are hot during the day and cold at night because there are no clouds. And when there is cloud cover frost doesn’t form. So are the climate mad scientist going to suggest we put on space suits to prevent cosmic rays hitting our bodies. That astronauts have already said that cosmic rays penetrate their space suits. Should we tell our
respective politicians that cutting carbon emissions will not change the climate. It’s just the same
as King Canute knew before getting his feet wet. Oh you got a mention on the ABC ‘Anthony Watts ex weatherman with no tertiary qualifications’ Even the ‘infamous’ Joanne Nova got a mention.. I’ll grab the website and post it to you.
Well done Anthony. I am not sure if I posted my last comment or not. Anyway, I’ve known this for years it was featured on the DVD ‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’ as a special feature so I don’t know if it still on YouTube. They did a survey about the anchovy and sardine fishing around Canada and why some years they were around and others they weren’t. They said that cosmic
rays were deflected from combining with water molecules and forming clouds, hence less rain that
made its way to the sea influencing shoals of fish seeking saltier water.
Should we inform the appropriate authorities of CERNs announcement? LOL.
Also you got a mention on ABC as ‘The ex weatherman with no tertiary qualifications’ even dear
and ‘infamous’ Joanne Nova got a mention or two. I’ll post the site to you when I find it again.