BREAKING NEWS – CERN Experiment Confirms Cosmic Rays Influence Cloud Seeds

UPDATE: see some reactions to this announcement here

From the GWPF

This refers to the CLOUD experiment at CERN.

I’ll have more on this as it develops (updated twice since the original report now), but for the short term, it appears that a non-visible light irradiance effect on Earth’s cloud seeds has been confirmed. The way it is posited to work is that the  effect of cosmic rays (modulated by the sun’s magnetic variations which either allow more or deflect more cosmic rays) creates cloud condensation nuclei in the Earth’s atmosphere. With more condensation nuclei, more clouds form and vice-versa. Clouds have significant effects on TSI at the surface.

Even the IPCC has admitted this in their latest (2007) report:

“Cloud feedbacks are the primary source of inter-model differences in equilibrium climate sensitivity, with low cloud being the largest contributor”.

Update: From the Nature article, Kirkby is a bit more muted in his assessment than the GWPF:

Early results seem to indicate that cosmic rays do cause a change. The high-energy protons seemed to enhance the production of nanometre-sized particles from the gaseous atmosphere by more than a factor of ten. But, Kirkby adds, those particles are far too small to serve as seeds for clouds. “At the moment, it actually says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate, but it’s a very important first step,” he says.

Update: Bizarrely, New Scientist headlines with: Cloud-making: Another human effect on the climate

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CERN Experiment Confirms Cosmic Rays Influence Climate Change.

by  Nigel Calder

Long-anticipated results of the CLOUD experiment at CERN in Geneva appear in tomorrow’s issue of the journal Nature (25 August). The Director General of CERN stirred controversy last month, by saying that the CLOUD team’s report should be politically correct about climate change (see my 17 July post below). The implication was that they should on no account endorse the Danish heresy – Henrik Svensmark’s hypothesis that most of the global warming of the 20th Century can be explained by the reduction in cosmic rays due to livelier solar activity, resulting in less low cloud cover and warmer surface temperatures.

Willy-nilly the results speak for themselves, and it’s no wonder the Director General was fretful.

Jasper Kirkby of CERN and his 62 co-authors, from 17 institutes in Europe and the USA, announce big effects of pions from an accelerator, which simulate the cosmic rays and ionize the air in the experimental chamber. The pions strongly promote the formation of clusters of sulphuric acid and water molecules – aerosols of the kind that may grow into cloud condensation nuclei on which cloud droplets form. What’s more, there’s a very important clarification of the chemistry involved.

A breach of etiquette

My interest in CLOUD goes back nearly 14 years, to a lecture I gave at CERN about Svensmark’s discovery of the link between cosmic rays and cloudiness. It piqued Kirkby’s curiosity, and both Svensmark and I were among those who helped him to prepare his proposal for CLOUD.

By an unpleasant irony, the only Svensmark contribution acknowledged in theNature report is the 1997 paper (Svensmark and Friis-Christensen) on which I based my CERN lecture. There’s no mention of the successful experiments in ion chemistry and molecular cluster formation by the Danish team in Copenhagen, Boulby and latterly in Aarhus where they beat CLOUD to the first results obtained using a particle beam (instead of gamma rays and natural cosmic rays) to ionize the air in the experimental chamber – see http://calderup.wordpress.com/2011/05/17/accelerator-results-on-cloud-nucleation-2/

What will historians of science make of this breach of scientific etiquette? That Kirkby was cross because Svensmark, losing patience with the long delay in getting approval and funding for CLOUD, took matters into his own hands? Or because Svensmark’s candour about cosmic rays casting doubt on catastrophic man-made global warming frightened the national funding agencies? Or was Kirkby simply doing his best (despite the results) to obey his Director General by slighting all things Danish?

Personal rivalries aside, the important question is what the new CLOUD paper means for the Svensmark hypothesis. Pick your way through the cautious prose and you’ll find this:

Ion-induced nucleation [cosmic ray action] will manifest itself as a steady production of new particles [molecular clusters] that is difficult to isolate in atmospheric observations because of other sources of variability but is nevertheless taking place and could be quite large when averaged globally over the troposphere [the lower atmosphere].”

It’s so transparently favourable to what the Danes have said all along that I’m surprised the warmists’ house magazine Nature is able to publish it, even omitting the telltale graph shown at the start of this post. Added to the already favourable Danish experimental findings, the more detailed CERN result is excellent. Thanks a million, Jasper.

Enlightening chemistry

And in friendlier times we’d be sharing champagne for a fine discovery with CLOUD, that traces of ammonia can increase the production of the sulphuric clusters a thousandfold. It’s highlighted in the report’s title: “Role of sulphuric acid, ammonia and galactic cosmic rays in atmospheric aerosol nucleation” and it was made possible by the more elaborate chemical analysis in the big-team set-up in Geneva. In essence, the ammonia helps to stabilize the molecular clusters.

Although not saying it openly, the CLOUD team implies a put-down for the Danes with this result, repeatedly declaring that without ammonia there’d be little cluster production at low altitudes. But although the Aarhus experimenters did indeed assume the simpler reaction (H2SO4 + H2O), differing results in successive experimental runs made them suspect that varying amounts of trace impurities were present in the air cylinders used to fill their chamber. Now it looks as if a key impurity may have been ammonia. But some members of the CLOUD consortium also favoured (H2SO4 + H2O) and early runs in Geneva used no intentional ammonia. So they’ve little reason to scoff.

In any case, whether the basic chemistry is (H2SO4 + H2O) or (H2SO4 + H2O + NH3) is an academic rather than a practical point. There are always traces of ammonia in the real air, and according to the CLOUD report you need only one molecule in 30 billion. If that helps to oil Svensmark’s climatic motor, it’s good to know, but it calls for no apologies and alters the climatic implications not a jot.

The experiment’s logo. The acronym “Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets” always implied strong interest in Svensmark’s hypothesis. And the roles of the Galaxy and the Sun are acknowledged.

Technically, CLOUD is a welcome advance on the Danish experiments. Not only is the chemistry wider ranging but molecular clusters as small as 1.7 nanometres in diameter are detectable, compared with 4 nm in Denmark. And the set-up enables the scientists to study the ion chemistry at lower temperatures, corresponding to increasing altitudes in the atmosphere. Cluster production soars as the temperature goes down, until “almost every negative ion gives rise to a new particle” [i.e. molecular cluster]. The lowest temperature reported in the paper is -25 oC. That corresponds to an altitude of 6000 metres, so unless you wish to visualize a rain of cloud-seeding aerosols from on high, it’s not very relevant to Svensmark’s interest in the lowest 3000 metres.

How the warmists built their dam

Shifting from my insider’s perspective on the CLOUD experiment, to see it on the broader canvas of the politicized climate science of the early 21st Century, the chief reaction becomes a weary sigh of relief. Although they never said so, the High Priests of the Inconvenient Truth – in such temples as NASA-GISS, Penn State and the University of East Anglia – always knew that Svensmark’s cosmic ray hypothesis was the principal threat to their sketchy and poorly modelled notions of self-amplifying action of greenhouse gases.

In telling how the obviously large influences of the Sun in previous centuries and millennia could be explained, and in applying the same mechanism to the 20th warming, Svensmark put the alarmist predictions at risk – and with them the billions of dollars flowing from anxious governments into the global warming enterprise.

For the dam that was meant to ward off a growing stream of discoveries coming from the spring in Copenhagen, the foundation was laid on the day after the Danes first announced the link between cosmic rays and clouds at a space conference in Birmingham, England, in 1996. “Scientifically extremely naïve and irresponsible,”Bert Bolin declared, as Chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

As several journalists misbehaved by reporting the story from Birmingham, the top priority was to tame the media. The first courses of masonry ensured that anything that Svensmark and his colleagues might say would be ignored or, failing that, be promptly rubbished by a warmist scientist. Posh papers like The Times of London and the New York Times, and posh TV channels like the BBC’s, readily fell into line. Enthusiastically warmist magazines like New Scientist and Scientific Americanneeded no coaching.

Similarly the journals Nature and Science, which in my youth prided themselves on reports that challenged prevailing paradigms, gladly provided cement for higher masonry, to hold the wicked hypothesis in check at the scientific level. Starve Svensmark of funding. Reject his scientific papers but give free rein to anyone who criticizes him. Trivialize the findings in the Holy Writ of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. None of this is paranoia on my part, but a matter of close personal observation since 1996.

“It’s the Sun, stupid!” The story isn’t really about a bunch of naughty Danish physicists. They are just spokesmen for the most luminous agent of climate change. As the Sun was what the warmists really wanted to tame with their dam, they couldn’t do it. And coming to the Danes’ aid, by briefly blasting away many cosmic rays with great puffs of gas, the Sun enabled the team to trace in detail the consequent reduction in cloud seeding and liquid water in clouds. See my posthttp://calderup.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/do-clouds-disappear/ By the way, that research also disposes of a morsel of doubt in the new CLOUD paper, about whether the small specks made by cosmic rays really grow sufficiently to seed cloud droplets.

As knowledge accumulated behind their dam and threatened to overtop it, the warmists had one last course to lay. Paradoxically it was CLOUD. Long delays with this experiment to explore the microchemical mechanism of the Svensmark effect became the chief excuse for deferring any re-evaluation of the Sun’s role in climate change. When the microchemical mechanism was revealed prematurely by the SKY experiment in Copenhagen and published in 2006, the warmists said, “No particle accelerator? That won’t do! Wait for CLOUD.” When the experiment in Aarhus confirmed the mechanism using a particle accelerator they said, “Oh that’s just the Danes again! Wait for CLOUD.”

Well they’ve waited and their dam has failed them.

Hall of Shame

Retracing those 14 years, what if physics had functioned as it is supposed to do? What if CLOUD, quickly approved and funded, had verified the Svensmark effect with all the authority of CERN, in the early 2000s. What if the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had done a responsible job, acknowledging the role of the Sun and curtailing the prophecies of catastrophic warming?

For a start there would have no surprise about the “travesty” that global warming has stopped since the mid-1990s, with the Sun becoming sulky. Vast sums might have been saved on misdirected research and technology, and on climate change fests and wheezes of every kind. The world’s poor and their fragile living environment could have had far more useful help than precautions against warming.

And there would have been less time for so many eminent folk from science, politics, industry, finance, the media and the arts to be taken in by man-made climate catastrophe. (In London, for example, from the Royal Society to the National Theatre.) Sadly for them, in the past ten years they’ve crowded with their warmist badges into a Hall of Shame, like bankers before the crash.

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As I reported on May 14th, 2011 in  Update on the CERN CLOUD experiment:

From Physics World Head in a CLOUD:

In this special video report for physicsworld.com CLOUD project leader Jasper Kirkby explains what his team is trying to achieve with its experiment. “We’re trying to understand what the connection is between a cosmic ray going through the atmosphere and the creation of so-called aerosol seeds – the seed for a cloud droplet or an ice particle,” Kirkby explains.

The CLOUD experiment recreates these cloud-forming processes by directing the beamline at CERN’s proton synchrotron into a stainless-steel chamber containing very pure air and selected trace gases.

One of the aims of the experiment is to discover details of cloud formation that could feed back into climate models. “Everybody agrees that clouds have a huge effect on the climate. But the understanding of how big that effect is is really very poorly known,” says Kirkby.

Here’s the video, click image below to launch it.

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More coverage: Big hat tip to WUWT reader “Andrew20”

Cosmic rays get ahead in CLOUD

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2011/August/24081102.asp

Cloud formation may be linked to cosmic rays

http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110824/full/news.2011.504.html

Cloud formation study casts a shadow over certain climate models

http://www.u.tv/News/Cloud-formation-study-casts-a-shadow-over-certain-climate-models/ddd312e6-c710-49d0-9a5d-e41e544024a9

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Update: From Nigel Calder’s blog

A graph they’d prefer you not to notice. Tucked away near the end of online supplementary material, and omitted from the printed CLOUD paper in Nature, it clearly shows how cosmic rays promote the formation of clusters of molecules (“particles”) that in the real atmosphere can grow and seed clouds. In an early-morning experimental run at CERN, starting at 03.45, ultraviolet light began making sulphuric acid molecules in the chamber, while a strong electric field cleansed the air of ions. It also tended to remove molecular clusters made in the neutral environment (n) but some of these accumulated at a low rate. As soon as the electric field was switched off at 04.33, natural cosmic rays (gcr) raining down through the roof of the experimental hall in Geneva helped to build clusters at a higher rate. How do we know they were contributing? Because when, at 04.58, CLOUD simulated stronger cosmic rays with a beam of charged pion particles (ch) from the accelerator, the rate of cluster production became faster still. The various colours are for clusters of different diameters (in nanometres) as recorded by various instruments. The largest (black) took longer to grow than the smallest (blue). This is Fig. S2c from supplementary online material for J. Kirkby et al., Nature, 476, 429-433, © Nature 2011
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Eric Barnes
August 24, 2011 8:00 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
All commenters should heed this caveat, instead of being victims of confirmation bias.
Ahhh Yes. Svalgaard. The epitome of objectivity. Speak of the data from the last few decades supporting how constant TSI has been and the extrapolate that back through the eons, and you’re on very firm footing. Mention this article and it’s potential for changing paradigm of GHG alarmism and you are some slavering fool.
Very nice Leif.

August 24, 2011 8:07 pm

“There are always traces of ammonia in the real air, and according to the CLOUD report you need only one molecule in 30 billion. If that helps to oil Svensmark’s climatic motor, it’s good to know, but it calls for no apologies and alters the climatic implications not a jot.”
How can a trace element have such a large effect. where have I heard the argument against “trace” amounts before.
Anyway, take care arguing against an effect merely the particles involved are in “trace” amounts.

August 24, 2011 8:08 pm

Theo Goodwin says:
August 24, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Let us not fall into the trap of looking at the work of Kirby and Svensmark as if its only purpose is to disprove CAGW.
Its purpose was to show that Svensmark’s theory is plausible. We have known for a 100 years that ionizing particles can work as seed for clouds, so getting to some of details can be important. As Kirby points out they are not there yet and their results “actually say nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate”, so should not be taken as they actually did.
The science is first rate
Undoubtedly, but the wild claims and jubilation from certain quarters are not.

August 24, 2011 8:14 pm

Eric Barnes says:
August 24, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Mention this article and it’s potential for changing paradigm of GHG alarmism
As Kirby says the results “actually say nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate”, the potential seems rather low. And don’t think for a minute that any rabid Alarmist would be convinced. Of course, when Kirby preaches to the choir, he gets applause.

u.k.(us)
August 24, 2011 8:23 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
August 24, 2011 at 5:56 pm
u.k.(us) says:
August 24, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Heed a caveat why, what has been determined ?
Kirkby adds, those particles are far too small to serve as seeds for clouds. “At the moment, it actually says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate, but it’s a very important first step,” he says.
Not even Kirby will take his result as support for Svensmark: ‘says nothing‘
What is it in nothing you don’t understand?
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Forget Kirby and Svensmark, it sounds like you have something to tell me, I await with bated breath, tell me what I don’t understand.
I understand it starts with NOTHING, please proceed.

August 24, 2011 8:24 pm

Stephen Mosher, trace elements play a key role in chemistry. They serve as catalysts even in tiny quantities. This is well-known and happens in thousands of applications daily.

SteveSadlov
August 24, 2011 8:25 pm

Lucifer’s Hammer may not be an NEO. It may be something more subtle. There are signs.

August 24, 2011 8:31 pm

While we’re chiding improper acreditation. The Wilson cloud chamber showed GCR making clouds 100yrs ago. I was taught this in physics almost 60yrs ago.

R. Gates
August 24, 2011 8:44 pm

Pamela Gray says:
August 24, 2011 at 7:54 pm
R. Gates, please cite your resources.
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On which specific point Pamela?

August 24, 2011 8:58 pm

Pamela Gray says:
August 24, 2011 at 7:54 pm
R. Gates, please cite your resources
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Ahh you meant just “sources”….regardless it does not matter because he/she can not cite his/her sources because there are none.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

sophocles
August 24, 2011 8:59 pm

Wow—a thorough hosing down of CAGW coming this way!.
Next step: can the chemistry of the polar (esp the Antarctic) spring ozone holes be re-investigated? Is it really man-made CFC’s or is it …. cosmic rays, or even Solar wind particles? Clouds are involved!

tango
August 24, 2011 9:02 pm

Al Gore stick that in your pipe and smoke it

Jeremy
August 24, 2011 9:03 pm

R. Gates says:
August 24, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Now, the fact that I’ve got no problems seeing the full scale and spectrum of forcings that can affect the earth’s climate, with CO2 being just part of the equation…how does that make me a hypocrite?

If you have no problem seeing the full scale and spectrum of forcings, I guess we’ll call you God? All hail the omniscient Gates! Clearly you just declared your ability to see the full scale of forcings, so what other explanation is there? Tell us, Gates the full-scale-all-seeing, what are the primary drivers of earth climate, and to what order in the gigantic PDE do we assign them? Also, please tell us our starting conditions and boundary conditions.
Your very language implies an understanding that is humanly impossible. Where is the humility? Where is the excitement at all new knowledge of climate regardless of abstraction? It’s telling, though, that now it’s acceptable for you to mention how supremely balanced you are in seeing all forcings, now that the CERN result is out that is.

As you have no idea who I am or what I believe, I’ll forgive your ignorance this one time. But your suggestion that finding a potential connection in ONE of the ways the earth’s climate is regulated somehow negates the effects of another way is suggestive of the kind of desperation that skeptics are showing in trying to disprove AGW.

Thank you so much for forgiving my ignorance, great and powerful diviner of climate!
As to finding a link about one aspect of climate suggesting it dominates all other forcings by negating them… well isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black. I seem to recall this big deal we’ve had in the press lately, about how CO2 dominates everything… amazingly narrow-minded stuff, you might want to catch up on it to get the full history of how we arrived at today.

August 24, 2011 9:06 pm

u.k.(us) says:
August 24, 2011 at 8:23 pm
“Not even Kirby will take his result as support for Svensmark: ‘says nothing‘”
I understand it starts with NOTHING, please proceed.

‘nothing’ was actually the 13th word. Take it from here. You can figure it out if you try.

August 24, 2011 9:07 pm

R Gates is the biggest waste of intellectual time on here.
Far beyond a troll, on here, he/she has consistently demonstrated over many many hours days and months, a complete and sometimes completely illogical intransigence to admitting right or wrong.
It is like talking to an atheist totalitarian government official or a religious fundamentalist…in either case in either extreme…both are circular reasoning on steroids and not worth the time of day for conversation.
Back to topic this CERN news is very telling and interesting and groundbreaking.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Doug Badgero
August 24, 2011 9:07 pm

R. Gates says:
August 24, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Why does anyone on either side of this issue believe that the feedback coefficient is constant in a non-linear deterministically chaotic system. In other words, why do you or anyone believe that a suggested feedback value when exiting an ice age tells us anything about what it is now?

philincalifornia
August 24, 2011 9:20 pm

Steven Mosher says:
August 24, 2011 at 8:07 pm
“There are always traces of ammonia in the real air, and according to the CLOUD report you need only one molecule in 30 billion. If that helps to oil Svensmark’s climatic motor, it’s good to know, but it calls for no apologies and alters the climatic implications not a jot.”
How can a trace element have such a large effect. where have I heard the argument against “trace” amounts before.
Anyway, take care arguing against an effect merely the particles involved are in “trace” amounts.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Depends where the chemistry or physics is on the logarithmic curve. CO2s position is well established as a Beer’s Law-confined trace component of the atmosphere.
Trace effects caused by GCRs, as far as I can tell, could be at the lower end of THEIR logarithmic curve, such that their changes of amplitude give essentially linear catalytic effects. Trace but linear positive is way more powerful than trace but negatively logarithmic.
….. especially when the “trace but negatively logarithmic” is close to being maxed out.

DR
August 24, 2011 9:25 pm

@Leif Svalgaard,
Last year I distinctly recall you stating CLOUD would not result in supporting Svensmark’s hypothesis in any way, and that was not the same as what you are comparing to Jasper Kirkby now. You said the results would fail. Unfortunately I didn’t bookmark it. You have ridiculed him from day one relentlessly however as any WUWT dedicated reader knows. Now after the fact you say we’ve known for 100 years this phenomenon exists, although this thread is not the first time. So why do the experiment then? We’ve been told for years there was no physical mechanism or laboratory experiment that supported Svensmark et al, but you say there was for 100 years. I’m calling BS and that you are in CYA mode. What you are suggesting is this experiment was a waste of resources then and those well qualified scientists carrying out said project are a bunch of bumbling idiots. Such hubris.
You apparently think the sun is basically little more than an incandescent light bulb. Do you recall your guest post on this?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/01/spot-the-science-error/
There are multiple research papers that link solar activity to river flow and lake levels, but of course you always invoke ‘correlation is not causation’, which is true but then again causation must have correlation.
There is ZERO direct evidence that CO2 is responsible for late 20th century warming, but we’re told it is based on “basic physics”. Ha! Here we have an experiment to test a hypothesis; a new “law” as Feynman would call it. It is another step.
I would remind everyone that Jasper Kirkby authored the following and although is now appearing to be much more cautious, in that paper he stated the following:
http://aps.arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0804/0804.1938v1.pdf

Considerable progress on understanding ion-aerosol-cloud processes has been
made in recent years, and the results are suggestive of a physically-plausible link between
cosmic rays, clouds and climate. However, a concerted effort is now required to carry out
definitive laboratory measurements of the fundamental physical and chemical processes involved, and to evaluate their climatic significance with dedicated field observations and modelling studies.

and

Despite these uncertainties, the question of whether, and to what extent, the climate is influenced by solar and cosmic ray variability remains central to our understanding of the anthropogenic contribution to present climate change. Real progress on the cosmic ray-climate question will require a physical mechanism to be established, or else ruled out. With new experiments planned or underway, such as the CLOUD facility at CERN, there are good prospects that we will have some firm answers to this question within the next few years.

That doesn’t sound like NOTHING to me, and I suspect Kirkby is being overcautious for some reason. Have you considered he may have been instructed to? Too bad those scientists who are lead authors and expert reviewers of their own work at IPCC don’t apply same the same professional integrity.
We are witnessing Arthur Schopenhauer’s axiom in real time.
BTW, has Arrhenius hypothesis ever been tested or replicated? When, where and who? Is earth “just like a real glass greenhouse”?

Katherine
August 24, 2011 9:25 pm

It’s so transparently favourable to what the Danes have said all along that I’m surprised the warmists’ house magazine Nature is able to publish it, even omitting the telltale graph shown at the start of this post.
Since the graph is posted at the bottom of the post here in WUWT, I suggest you insert a comment to that effect in the text.

andrew
August 24, 2011 9:29 pm

More info from the New Scientist article – any view on this?
Other evidence shows that even if cosmic rays do affect the climate, the effect must be small. Changes in the number of cosmic rays hitting the atmosphere due to changes in solar activity cannot explain global warming, as average cosmic ray intensities have been increasing since 1985 even as the world has warmed – the opposite of what should happen if cosmic rays produce climate-cooling clouds

u.k.(us)
August 24, 2011 9:33 pm

savethesharks says:
August 24, 2011 at 9:07 pm
“It is like talking to an atheist totalitarian government official or a religious fundamentalist…”
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Well said, yet R. Gates does, if nothing else, keep things in perspective.

Richard Sharpe
August 24, 2011 9:35 pm

SteveSadlov says on August 24, 2011 at 8:25 pm

Lucifer’s Hammer may not be an NEO. It may be something more subtle. There are signs.

OK Steve, quit with the cryptic comments and come clean!

tokyoboy
August 24, 2011 9:35 pm

I’m very much impressed by your vitality, since for many of you this is early in the morning or late into midnight.
I’ve been enjoying/learning from your discussion in the midst of the day (now 13:35 Thursday). Thanks.

Mac the Knife
August 24, 2011 9:47 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
August 24, 2011 at 6:01 pm
“Warmest congratulations to Prof Svensmark and his team! And to Mr Calder, who has kept us updated while magazines like New Scientist went madly and partisanly warmist.
I’d also like to mention Prof Udipi Rao, past chairman of the Indian Space Agency and cosmic ray physicist, whose paper this year (as covered by Anthony) further supports these findings. Prof Rao was flamed mercilessly by the usual parties, he therefore should be included in the victory.”
I’ll second that motion, Bruce.
Congratulations again, Dr. Svensmark!
Thank you, Prof. Rao!
Well done, Nigel Calder!
Hypothetical GCR induced formation of cloud nucleation particles confirmed by direct experimentation!
Simple science done simply well, coloring in a few more pixels on the ever expanding map of human knowledge. You gotta love that!

RossP
August 24, 2011 10:01 pm

“Gavin Schmidt at Real Climate reviewed this paper by Kirkby very objectively and very comprehensively. What he writes is balanced and raises a number of scientific criteria that need satisfying before the effect of cosmic rays on cloud formation can be fully understood ”
Does Gavin get a special advanced preview of the paper from his mates at Nature ? Since publication was yesterday it would seem amazing that he reviewed the paper ” very objectively and comprehensively ” in less than 24 hrs. Sorry I forgot Nature is part of the Team . sarc off/

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