A Memo To Hansen and Sato
Guest commentary by Bob Tisdale
Date:August 21, 2011
Subject:A Request About Your El Niño Predictions And A Question About Anthropogenic Global Warming
To: James E. Hansen and Makiko Sato
Dear Makiko and James:
I am writing to you via my weblog with a request and a question. First, the request: Please stop predicting El Niño and Super El Niño events. Your track record is very poor. I, like many people who study ENSO, hope for extreme El Niño events, but when you predict a strong El Niño, a La Niña starts to evolve, and when you predict a “Super El Niño”, a mild El Niño comes to pass. Two examples come to mind:
Your March 27, 2011 mailing Perceptions of Climate Change was published at a number of websites, including Climate Story Tellers and Truthout. It included the following prediction of an El Niño event for the 2011/12 ENSO season:
Sometimes it is interesting to make a bet that looks like it is high risk, but really isn’t. Such a bet can be offered at this point. The NOAA web pages giving weekly ENSO updates predict a return to ENSO–neutral conditions by mid–summer with some models suggesting a modest El Nino to follow. We have been checking these forecasts weekly for the past several years, and have noted that the models almost invariably are biased toward weak changes. Based on subsurface ocean temperatures, the way these have progressed the past several months, and comparisons with development of prior El Niños, we believe that the system is moving toward a strong El Niño starting this summer. It’s not a sure bet, but it is probable.
Summer is well past its midpoint. And weekly NINO3.4 Sea Surface Temperature (SST) anomalies for August 10, 2011, based on the Reynolds OI.v2 dataset you use in your GISS Land-Ocean Temperature Index, are approaching the threshold of La Niña conditions, Figure 1.
Figure 1
Note also that the NOAA models included in the ENSO updateyou referenced (now dated August 15, 2011) are forecasting La Niña conditions. Refer to Figures 2 and 3.
Figure 2
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Figure 3
And the majority of the other ENSO models are forecasting ENSO neutral conditions, Figure 4.
Figure 4
Based on the spread of model outputs, ENSO events are apparently difficult to forecast even in mid August, so there’s still a remote possibility that your prediction may come true, but right now, NINO3.4 Sea Surface Temperature observations are clearly pointing in the opposite direction.
Regarding Super El Niño events, let’s drop back a few years. In the draft of a paper titled Spotlight on Global Temperature dated March 29, 2006, you and a few of your associates predicted a “Super El Niño” for the 2006/07 ENSO season. (Thanks to DeSmogBlog for posting and maintaining the copy of the draft.) To refresh your memory, here’s what you wrote 5 years ago:
SUPER EL NINO IN 2006-2007? We suggest that an El Nino is likely to originate in 2006 and that there is a good chance it will be a ‘super El Niño’, rivaling the 1983 and 1997-1998 El Ninos, which were successively labeled the ‘El Nino of the century’ as they were of unprecedented strength in the previous 100 years (Fig. 1 of Fedorov and Philander 2000). Further, we argue that global warming causes an increase of such ‘super El Ninos’. Our rationale is based on interpretation of dominant mechanisms in the ENSO (El Nino Southern Oscillation) phenomenon, examination of historical SST data, and observed Pacific Ocean SST anomalies in February 2006.
Please refer to Figure 5, which is a longer-term graph of the monthly Reynolds OI.v2-based NINO3.4 SST anomalies. You’ll note that I’ve indicated the 1982/83 and 1997/98 “Super El Niño” events. I’ve also marked the 2006/07 “Not-So-Super” El Niño, and the difference between the two, which results from your Not-So-Super Prediction.
Figure 5
If you’re not aware, there are many people who mistakenly believe that you are using your GISS Model-E General Circulation Models to make these erroneous predictions of strong and super El Niño events. I don’t feel it’s my responsibility to advise them that you are basing your predictions on your observations of climate data, not on your models, which as shown in Animations 1 and 2 do not appear model ENSO very well, if at all. Animations 1 and 2 are gif animations of time-series graphs that compare the observed NINO3.4 Sea Surface Temperature anomalies, which, as you are aware, are a commonly used index of the frequency and magnitude of ENSO events, to those hindcast by the GISS Model-EH and Model-ER.
Animation 1
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Animation 2
Your Model-EH and -ER, like other General Circulation models employed as future climate projection tools by the IPCC, do not come close to matching the frequency, magnitude, and duration of ENSO events. All three are very important when attempting to reproduce the instrument temperature record (and when trying to project future climate scenarios), since they dictate when and how much:
– heat is released from the tropical Pacific to the atmosphere, where it alters climate globally,
– warm water is distributed from the tropics toward the poles on the sea surface and below the surface of the oceans,
– warm water is created through coupled decreases in cloud cover and increases in visible sunlight over the tropical Pacific for use in the next ENSO event.
And now for my question: Where’s the Anthropogenic portion of the rise in Global Sea Surface Temperature anomalies during the satellite era? I can’t find it. I have been studying Sea Surface Temperature anomaly data for a number of years, and I cannot find any evidence of an anthropogenic component in Sea Surface Temperature Anomaly data. I’m referring to the satellite-era Reynolds OI.v2 Sea Surface Temperature dataset you use in your GISS Land-Ocean Temperature Index (LOTI) data. Animation 3 provides a basic introduction to what I have found.
Animation 3
Before you reply, please study two posts I’ve published recently:
ENSO Indices Do Not Represent The Process Of ENSO Or Its Impact On Global Temperature,
And:
They will provide a few answers to your initial thoughts.
I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but many people outside of the climate science community have basic understandings of the process of ENSO. They realize that the warming and cooling of the central and eastern tropical Pacific during El Niño and La Niña events represent only a small portion of the processes that occasionally distribute vast amounts of heat from the tropics toward the poles, and they understand ENSO not only distributes heat through the atmosphere, but also within and on the surface of the oceans. They understand that the process of ENSO cannot be represented by a number in an ENSO index. Because of that, they understand the erroneous assumptions in the climate studies such as Fyfe et al (2010) “Comparing Variability and Trends in Observed and Modelled Global-Mean Surface Temperature” and Thompson et al (2008) paper Identifying Signatures of Natural Climate Variability in Time Series of Global-Mean Surface Temperature: Methodology and Insights. Those incorrect assumptions are carried over to blog posts such as Global trends and ENSO by your associates over at Real Climate. All portray ENSO as naturally occurring noise within the surface temperature record that can be removed through linear regression or through simple models that use an ENSO index to provide similar results. I have provided detailed explanations, illustrations, and animations in the above linked post (ENSO Indices Do Not Represent The Process Of ENSO Or Its Impact On Global Temperature) that illustrate the errors in these efforts.
In fact, as I noted in that post, the recent Compo and Sardeshmukh (2010) paper “Removing ENSO-Related Variations from the Climate Record” appears to be a step in the right direction. They write:
An important question in assessing twentieth-century climate is to what extent have ENSO-related variations contributed to the observed trends. Isolating such contributions is challenging for several reasons, including ambiguities arising from how ENSO is defined. In particular, defining ENSO in terms of a single index and ENSO-related variations in terms of regressions on that index, as done in many previous studies, can lead to wrong conclusions. This paper argues that ENSO is best viewed not as a number but as an evolving dynamical process for this purpose.
But Compo and Sardeshmukh also missed a very important part of ENSO. They overlooked the significance of the huge volume of warm water that is left over from El Niño events and failed to account for its contribution to the rise in global Sea Surface Temperature anomalies.
In closing, I, like you, look forward to the next strong or Super El Niño. I believe, though, we have different interests at heart. You appear to hope for one so that you can continue to piggyback your hypothesis of Anthropogenic Global Warming on its multiyear aftereffects. I hope for a Super El Niño because the ARGO buoys are in now place, and it should be possible now to better track how the oceans distribute the warm water that’s left over from Super El Niño events.
Sincerely,
Bob Tisdale
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It is not possible to reason anyone out of a position that they did not reason themselves into in the first place.
Bcreekski says:
August 21, 2011 at 10:36 am
“I might add that in fairness, a list of predictions that were accurate would be indicated. Then we can decide about the overall viewpoint.”
Well, sure, you might be interested in this. But if you think it is relevant to Tisdale’s argument then you are attempting to change the subject through a Classic Case of Red Herring.
Adamski says:
August 21, 2011 at 10:42 am
What percentage (realisticly) do climate/weather forecasts/models have to meet to be deemed a success?
Classic Case of Red Herring. The topic is the set of disastrous errors described by Tisdale.
R Gates where are you ???
“Based on the spread of model outputs, ENSO events are apparently difficult to forecast even in mid August, so there’s still a remote possibility that your prediction may come true, but right now, NINO3.4 Sea Surface Temperature observations are clearly pointing in the opposite direction.”
Which proves once again it’s nearly impossible to accurately predict (beyond a few days out) either weather or climate with any regularity and that some people don’t even have an instinct for it.
a Hansen reply…. HMmmmmmmm
is there ICE DOWN UNDER????
and i mean really down under?
Is James Hansen and Jim Henson the same person, because they are both specialists in Muppetry?
I am surprised that no one has commented yet on the website name “Climate Story Tellers.” No mentions of fiction or fairytales.
I wish I hadn’t seen the picture of Sato. I thought Sato was a man, and whenever I read “Hansen and Sato” on a blog, I had Pink Panther images of Sato jumping out of a wardrobe and attacking Hansen.
Judging by their results, their scientific work is about as bumbling as Inspector Cloussos work.
Bob Tisdale says:
August 21, 2011 at 1:58 pm
I am surprised that no one has commented yet on the website name “Climate Story Tellers.” No mentions of fiction or fairytales.
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is it a government run website? cause our current government is one big one..
Now this is funny. Good stuff Bob.
When Gore comes to town – it snows: When Serreze says death spiral – the ice starts refreezing: When Hansen says warming will continue – it starts cooling: When Hansen says El Nino – put your money on La Nina: When the IPCC says anything – we know it is exaggerated.
These people are believers rather than objective scientists (although I had made a call on El Nino earlier as well).
“Well, sure, you might be interested in this. But if you think it is relevant to Tisdale’s argument then you are attempting to change the subject through a Classic Case of Red Herring.”
I can assure you that I was not attempting to change the subject as you state. My personal belief is not with the “warming” crowd. I still would like a concise review of missed predictions and correct predictions. If that is offensive, then so be it.
To Theo Goodwin: My comment was a question. I will try and rephrase it so that I might get a polite answer from yourself.
If I have developed a theory that predicts the temperature of the earth, that so far is correct 76% of the time, would this be deemed as a successful “model” in a chaotic system which is climate.
Obviously Hansen predictions are whack but as a learning newbie I was wondering if there is a rough benchmark to meet.
KnR says:
August 21, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Don’t forget rule one of climate science, if the models and reality differ, its reality that is in error.
Adamski says:
August 21, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Models cannot be used to make predictions. Only physical hypotheses can be used to make predictions. Models can be used for the activity that some meteorologists call “forecasting,” but that activity should not be confused with prediction. Forecasting is similar to extrapolating from old graphs. If someone is using a model to forecast something and it is wrong 24% of the time, it should be trashed.
Seems to be some confusion in Bob’s mind about the distinction between a bet and a prediction. Hansen says bet. Bob’s mind comes up with prediction.
I would say that if you are making a bet on something you are not claiming it will inevitably happen and no one is going to be surprised if you are wrong. So why us Bob surprised? I am sure Hansen is not surprised.
Bcreekski says:
August 21, 2011 at 3:20 pm
“I can assure you that I was not attempting to change the subject as you state. My personal belief is not with the “warming” crowd. I still would like a concise review of missed predictions and correct predictions. If that is offensive, then so be it.”
You continue to try to change the subject. Your request is not offensive, it simply changes the topic.
Great work! Nothing like getting slapped in the face with reality… though I doubt if Parson Hansen has much contact with reality anymore.
Perhaps someone could write a sentence listing everything Hansen has correctly predicted. Or maybe a half sentence.
I am constantly in awe of the knowledge of many of the commentators on WUWT.
But I fear most people including Bob have missed the point.
Hansen’s pronouncements have always been driven primarily by media imperatives not
scientific.
To put it bluntly his game was to score HEADLINES, preferably screaming ones which
fed into the Global media scare.
Over the years that flood (now trickle) of headlines has inevitably altered public opinion.
The real science, the doubt, the research, the refutation simply didn’t receive any media
attention…that’s why we skeptics are today on the ascendent in terms of science, but still
very much on the back foot in the battle to prevent irrational government Policies to ‘save
the planet.’
Sure he’s a charlatan, but he played the media like a stradivarius. That’s that those headlines were about…he simply doesn’t care if he was wrong.
It’s a bit like two football fans arguing over a game that was lost at the last minute by a bad refereeing decision. Sure the best team lost…but the result still stands.
A good moment to remember Dr. Theodor Landscheidt:
Solar Activity Controls El Niño and La Niña
http://www.john-daly.com/sun-enso/sun-enso.htm
I’m an ardent admirer of his work and continued his work up to 2009.
http://www.umweltluege.de/images/SOI-BFSc.png
Continuing the a-d-a-d… Golden Cuts, the next El Nino would have been in the first half of 2010 with ascending solar cycle.
And that was correct.
There will be a big La Nina in beginning spring that I predicted more than 2 years ago, due to low solar activity. As solar activity still keeps quiet, the following cycle 25 will be loer than cycle 24, according to the sun’s orbital perturbation by Solar Motion 2 program.
This means, for the coming 30 years or more, El Ninos will rule out more and more for increased La Nina probability.
If you’re interested in Dr. Landscheidt’s work, here are his studies.
http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/publications.htm
I’ll bet your going to be a climate scientist when you grow up.
LazyTeenager says: “Seems to be some confusion in Bob’s mind about the distinction between a bet and a prediction. Hansen says bet. Bob’s mind comes up with prediction.”
The confusion is yours, LazyTeenager. The reason my mind came up with prediction is because Hansen and Sato predicted an El Niño.
Merriam Webster definition of Predict: “to declare or indicate in advance; especially : foretell on the basis of observation, experience, or scientific reason”
The quote from Hansen and Sato reads: “Based on subsurface ocean temperatures, the way these have progressed the past several months, and comparisons with development of prior El Niños, we believe that the system is moving toward a strong El Niño starting this summer.”
That is, without a doubt, a prediction, and based on their prediction they then state, “It’s not a sure bet, but it is probable.”
Game, set and match to Bob Tisdale.
The late Dr. Theodor Landscheidt in the late 1980’s and 1990’s began making accurate predictions of El Nino events. His track record was excellent, because he used totally predictable planetary mechanics to make his predictions. When using CO2 warming nonsense like Hansen does, why would you expect his predictions to be anything but wrong? The computer projections of the IPCC global climate models take the booby prize; you would be better off flipping a coin to predict anything.
The millstones of justice turn exceedingly slow, but grind exceedingly fine.
And remember that in three-syllable Japanese names the stress is always on the first syllable.
Right: MA kiko.
Wrong: maKEEko
(Not that correct pronuciation is likely to improve the quality of her predicitions.)