From Rasmussen Reports, some bad news for Al Gore and the Hockey Team:
The debate over global warming has intensified in recent weeks after a new NASA study was interpreted by skeptics to reveal that global warming is not man-made. While a majority of Americans nationwide continue to acknowledge significant disagreement about global warming in the scientific community, most go even further to say some scientists falsify data to support their own beliefs.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of American Adults shows that 69% say it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data in order to support their own theories and beliefs, including 40% who say this is Very Likely. Twenty-two percent (22%) don’t think it’s likely some scientists have falsified global warming data, including just six percent (6%) say it’s Not At All Likely. Another 10% are undecided.
(To see survey question wording, click here .)
The number of adults who say it’s likely scientists have falsified data is up 10 points from December 2009 .
Fifty-seven percent (57%) believe there is significant disagreement within the scientific community on global warming, up five points from late 2009. One in four (25%) believes scientists agree on global warming. Another 18% aren’t sure.
Republicans and adults not affiliated with either major political party feel stronger than Democrats that some scientists have falsified data to support their global warming theories, but 51% of Democrats also agree.
Men are more likely than women to believe some scientists have put out false information on the issue.
Democrats are more likely to support immediate action on global warming compared to those from other party affiliations.
The national survey of 1,000 Adults was conducted on July 29-30, 2011 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC . See methodology .
Voters have been almost evenly divided on whether human activity or long-term planetary trends are to blame for global warming since May of last year .
Full story here at: Rasmussen Reports
h/t to Jer at Skeptics Corner (click and give him some hits)
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6% say not at all likely? The poll may have uncovered the ‘consensus’ The natural born scepticism of American is going to save the world from the new world order. I hope republicans realize this poll shows the way forward for the election. What is the population of Missouri? For those who think this is a non sequitur look up “I’m from Missouri”.
I personally doubt that much data has been actually falsified. Fudged, mishandled, improperly manipulated, misinterpreted and cherrypicked all to hell most definitely. Falsified … no!
I suppose that is too fine a distinction to put into a public poll.
In a weird survey conducted under the most appalling act of telephone terror it was found that:
95% thought that climate scientist was just visiting aliens living in a different world
85% believed they might be illegal aliens
75% didn’t believe in them at all
65% thought they might just lack the funds to get back home
55% did not answer the phone
In a parallel survey it was found that political affiliation had it that:
95% of the democrats are 100% more likely to be available for “A probing” by visiting aliens to save the planet
95% of the republicans are 100% more likely to shoot aliens on sight to save the planet from probing aliens
Check out Mooney at Desmogblog on this subject. Turns out he and his ilk think it is all a pyschological problem of self-identity: you learn something and become suspicious or skeptical about the subject being touted by the “experts” and your ego feels attacked. So you deny the reasonableness of what the experts/authorities say or do.
The warmists haven’t done the numbers to figure out that THEY are the minority. Or perhaps they have – as the shroud of “majority” slips from their shoulders they are aware that they stand much more alone than they thought. Which is due to a conspiracy.
The general public is not buying the CAGW story of the Old Legacy Media (OLM). We shouldn’t call it MSM anymore because it isn’t Main anymore.
Thank you WUWT for keeping us vigilant.
John
Theo Goodwin says:
“Isn’t it ironic that in the USA 69% of respondents say that malfeasance by scientists is possible yet their children who attend public schools are fed the garbage produced by Warmista on a daily basis? I guess it goes to prove that parents have no say in the operation of the public schools.”
As I said several months ago and Dr. Roy Spencer has reiterated: It takes time for the water in the kettle to boil.” Todays teachers are products of the flower power movement of the 60’s and 70’s. It will take another 20 years to flush them from the system. Only then will our children and , in my case, grandchildren begin to learn the truth. Today’s teachers will never admit to their misdeeds. They aren’t smart enough to know that they have been teaching untruths.
Truth is Science – Science is Truth. All else is fantasy.
DonB
Before everyone rejoices too much, be advised that I am working on a model to make these data state that 69% of the respondents think that the Gore-ites are telling the truth.
Stay tuned.
/sarc
My local news today had a story about the “hottest July ever”. But before you have a heart attack, they placed the blame squarely on the urban heat island effect. (Link to the video) The video concludes by saying that 6 of the 10 hottest years in Raleigh were in the last decade but that was only a trend in the city and not the rural parts of the state. Do you think such stories would have been on the news 5 years ago? The times they are a changing. I myself live 45 minutes east of Raleigh. The temperature reading on my car is always a few degrees higher once I get near the city. One cool morning I put the convertible top off my car when I had to drive through Raleigh. It was chilly until I was in the first suburb of Raleigh. After I passed Chapel Hill around where I-40 merges with I-85 the temperature was noticeably cooler again. People notice this and it says something that the news actually blames the broken records, not on global warming, but on urban heating.
Try again tomorrow or a few days later. The report was dated today. The rate at which a search engine indexes the site depends on how many updates are on the site. For example, this site will be index a lot more frequently than Rasmussen reports because there is new content daily here but Rasmussen probably doesn’t change daily. It is impractical to expect a search engine to index every site the hour it changes.
The 22% seem to have 69% of the bumper stickers over 90% of the back of their vehicles announcing their beliefs and affiliations.
What happened to R. Gates and the rest of the trolls?
I mean surely R. Gates has conclusive proof that this survey was funded by XOM and conducted by a right wing institute, right?
Surely it is statistically impossible that 69% of ordinary Americans could be conspiracy nut-jobs who do not fully trust the claims and settled science of the priests of CAGW?
/sarc off
chris1958 says:
August 3, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Question 5 of the survey is interesting:
“In order to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming, how likely is it that some scientists have falsified research data?”
“Do they mean scientists who support the AGW consensus or scientists who reject the consensus? Or both? The wording is ambiguous (deliberately or accidentally so?).”
Ask yourself a simple question: “How many news stories have there been about people who do not believe in global warming falsifying their data to support their lack of belief?” This question should reveal to you that the idea that the survey question is ambiguous is utter and total Warmista spin!
[Snip. Do not label readers of this site “denialists.” ~dbs, mod.]
WillR says:
August 3, 2011 at 2:58 pm
It’s OK to make that speculation (I guess.) — but don’t you have to know the truth before you can formulate a lie? Or are some people (some climate scientists anyway) “just making stuff up” — as Steve McIntyre has recently speculated….
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lol, Will, do you really think we don’t know that the lies told to Steve Mc by the cli-sci are well documented? All we have to do is jot over to his archives and start reading. But, it doesn’t start and end there. There has been an continuous litany of acts of deception since this whole mess started. Heck in the U.S. it started with playing with the thermostat and they haven’t looked back since.
I just noticed that part of my post had been snipped.
My apologies, Mods, the snipped part definitley was quite snarky, and didnt help the thread. I, like a many others here, had just become a bit irritated at those trying to blatantly derail the thread or just throw out crass insults or accusations. However, the best way to counter these attacks is with solid evidence, not rude comments.
Again, my apologies.
AGW Progress Report.
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“700 Environment Canada jobs on the chopping block”
“OTTAWA—Meteorologists, scientists, chemists and engineers are among more than 700 Environment Canada employees on the chopping block as the department launches sweeping cuts to cope with federal belt-tightening.
The shakeup could be a taste of further cuts in other departments to come as the Conservative government reins in spending to eliminate a $32 billion deficit.
The cuts represent 11 per cent of the workforce at Environment Canada, calling into question the department’s ability to carry on its mandate, said Bill Pynn, national president of the Union of Environment Workers, which represents 476 of the affected workers.
“It’s massive,” Pynn said, saying he can’t recall cuts of a similar scale in Ottawa in the last two decades.”
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1034331–700-environment-canada-jobs-on-the-chopping-block
Just for KD Knoebel @ur momisugly August 3, 2011 at 4:00 pm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14389430
It was fun while it lasted though.
(Declaration of interest – I am a Mensa G2 level IE8 user)
KnR says:
August 3, 2011 at 4:22 pm
“results like this are partly down to the total failure to effectively investigate the CRU and Mann over their actions. The white washes really where the worst of both worlds for all sides.”
Actually, the whitewashes really prepared the way for this. Ordinary folk might not have time to investigate the science but Americans have to do jury duty and they are quite astute regarding investigations of lying and fraud. The whitewashes clearly proved that the rot covered the whole fish from head to tail. Those who would defend climate science missed a huge opportunity when they did not nail The Team. If they had nailed them (and stuffed Gore’s mouth) then the public might very well support climate science today.
Maybe arrogance is the explanation for inaction. Maybe our ruling elites feel that the masses should eat whitewash.
I still can’t access Jo Nova’s site, it was being trolled pretty hard last night. Over 69% of all trolls are really worried about the convoy of no confidence.
http://www.beefcentral.com/p/news/article/423
Theo Goodwin says:
August 3, 2011 at 3:23 pm
WillR, please. Lying is deceiving (or attempting to deceive) another about what you know or believe to be the case. You can lie about your fantasies.
But Don Barnett stated it correctly just above:
As a consequence, you can indeed lie about your fantasies, but it matters not at all–a true or false fabrication is still just as fabricated. And people, for whatever reason, now see climate scientists as fabricators (whether pro or con, it matters little–the reputation of the science is shot).
@bobd says: August 3, 2011 at 3:44 pm
bodb you’re wrong,
I think Pseudoscience applies to CAGW science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience
“Pseudoscience is a claim, belief, or practice which is presented as scientific, but which does not adhere to a valid scientific method . . . “
Wade says:
August 3, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Excellent post. Everyone who commutes rural to city, as you describe, recognizes that there is UHI and that it increases rather steadily. To me, one of the key blunders of the ClimateGaters was Phil Jones’ publication of specious UHI studies which argued that UHI is negligible.
Glad to see that Raleigh, a famous bastion of liberalism, can wise up.
I do not take comfort in this poll. Polls are used to convey truth about a subject based upon uninformed opinions. Certainly the Federal Government uses them for propaganda purposes when they agree with the poll results and ignore them when they don’t. In recent times I do not see any evidence that the people who are making major economic decisions listened to any polls except those that pertain to their re-election to office.
Ian H says:
“I personally doubt that much data has been actually falsified. Fudged, mishandled, improperly manipulated, misinterpreted and cherrypicked all to hell most definitely. Falsified … no!”
Falsified… Yes!
From the Climategate leak [Harry_read_me file]:
“Here, the expected 1990 – 2003 period is missing so the correlations aren’t so hot!
Yet the WMO codes and station names /locations are identical (or close).
What the hell is supposed to happen here?
Oh, yeah – there is no ‘supposed’, I can make it up. So I have.”
Thirteen years of fabricated data, invented to support the climate alarmist narrative. How is that not ‘falsified’?
Steve Schapel and Adriana, Jo Nova’s site will be down for a while either this week or next as she switches to a new US server, so be forewarned. I’ve had problems accessing the site several times over the past two weeks, but it may just be a glitch with her current server.
Theo Goodwin says:
August 3, 2011 at 3:18 pm
“…Isn’t it ironic that in the USA 69% of respondents say that malfeasance by scientists is possible…”
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Most of this is misfeasance not malfeasance. Misfeasance is doing something that is wrong but nor illegal. Malfeasance is illegal.