Sunset Clause for the C-Tax?
Letter to the Editor
Watts Up With That?
30 July 2011
Australians must insist that the monstrous carbon dioxide tax legislation has a sunset clause which is triggered by global cooling.
This whole tax extravaganza is based on the foolish notion that man’s production of life-sustaining carbon dioxide controls global temperature and we need a C-Tax to stop it.
However no one has produced evidence that carbon dioxide exclusively controls the climate. What’s more, carbon dioxide production is rising strongly but world temperature has been stable for the last 13 years. Right now sea surface temperatures are falling sharply.
“Climate” is generally defined as an average of 30 years of weather. Therefore the C-Tax should be scrapped immediately the global temperature falls below the 30 year average temperature, indicating the start of global cooling.
As the sun has gone quiet, and Queensland has just had its coldest autumn for at least 60 years, this looks likely to happen soon.
Viv Forbes
Rosewood Qld Australia
Sunset Clause for the C-Tax?
Australians must insist that the monstrous carbon dioxide tax legislation has a sunset clause which is triggered by global cooling.
This whole tax extravaganza is based on the foolish notion that man’s production of life-sustaining carbon dioxide controls global temperature and we need a C-Tax to stop it.
However no one has produced evidence that carbon dioxide controls the climate. What’s more, carbon dioxide production is rising strongly but world temperature has been stable for the last 13 years. Right now sea surface temperatures are falling sharply.
“Climate” is generally defined as an average of 30 years of weather. Therefore the C-Tax should be scrapped immediately the global temperature falls below the 30 year average temperature, indicating the start of global cooling.
As the sun has gone quiet, and Queensland has just had its coldest autumn for at least 60 years, this looks likely to happen soon.
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Viv Forbes
Rosewood Qld Australia
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Re Mike’s inane suggestion we attempt to engineer a return to the LIA, a real scientist somewhere (Sweden?) recently observed that it was a tragedy that meteorology got its start during the coldest few decades in over 10,000 years. A worse “normal” benchmark could hardly be found.
I just read an article by Dr. Motl where he has analized the newly available HadCRUT3 station temps and he says 1/3 rd of the stations show a cooling trend over their whole history. And apparantly also global warming is not global.
http://motls.blogspot.com/2011/07/hadcrut3-30-of-stations-recorded.html
And people wonder why we call these alarmists crazy. This is Sheila Jackson Lee crazy. Serious question Mike: On what planet were the Apollo landing sites?
Yep. Here in the USA it was the 16th Amendment just prior to World War I. The Income Tax would be self-correcting if people had to save money for the tax each year due on April 15 (Tax Day). People would soon tire of the insanity and that damn Amendment would be repealed. That is why we have ‘Withholding’, where the money is stolen before we ever even see it. From Wikipedia …
The way I see it Withholding must be removed first. Force the people to ante up each April 15th and watch the bureaucrats run for the hills.
Income Tax, Withholding, Bridge Tolls, nothing ever goes away. Personally I think every law passed in Congress should sunset at the swearing in of the next Congress. This way they will always be too busy re-passing previous legislation to ever consider new legislation.
John Tee says:
July 30, 2011 at 6:42 pm
I take it most people on this site have been lead to believe that thousands of scientists around the world have come up with this gigantic hoax so that governments around the world can get more tax. Working in all manner of different institutes, often in universities, in dozens of countries, they have consistently come up with this coordinated stream of wrong science over the past 30 years plus.
Am I even half way right?==============
Yeah, and the IPCC assumption of warming as a fact, and their chicanery exposed, sort of proves it. all those promulgating it receive their finding to keep doing so.
those who work tirelessly unpaid quite often seem to find no to low changes, how…par for course.
the UN set up the IPCC, nuff said.
There is a sunset clause in the carbon text – it’s dated to coincide with the next election.
I cannot see this tax ever getting off the ground in any meaningful way,
Either the government will lose its majority on the house via the defection of independent(s) or perhaps lose its nerve and recant before it is introduced. Even if neither of those things happens, we have an opposition who (say they will) scrap it when they gain office in 2013.
Which means it has a max lifetime of about 12 months. It’s already dead in the water.
Sunset clause for a SUNRISE TAX. Hey! I,m a simple person but I seem to have noticed something that has eluded a lot of people.
In all the info I have read on agw over the years, I’ve noticed that they ( the warmists) never talk about the big yellow thing up in the sky. But here,s the rub. I’ve noticed that every day when the sun comes up, we do indeed get global warming. Yep! And not just a few degrees that the carbonazis are warning us about, but up to 20 degrees in a single day. AND, If you hop on a plane in Tasmania and fly to the Northern Territory you can get 35 degrees of global warming in a single day. Scarey huh? Thankfully though, the sun sets and the temperature goes back down.
So, has anyone suggested to our greedy, lying, corrupt politicians that it could in fact be the sun that drives our climate and not CO2? The way I see it, these fools and liars are trying to saddle us with a Sunrise Tax. And if Gillard gets the boot, rest assured that Abbot or whoever replaces her will not repeal the tax. These politicians are put there by the ruling elite who control the western worlds two party political system through control of the central banking systems and total control of the media. (But not the internet as yet).
And their job seems to be, to bring in more controls over our lives and more and more taxation and then fade into history. The politicians fade but the Taxes and controls always stay. I am stunned that people believe anything they say. Always be skeptical. Believe nothing you are told without PROOF. Sunrise Tax indeed! As Sid would say…..Never mind the bollocks.
Cheers.
Jeff.
Brian H says:
July 31, 2011 at 1:21 am
“(Sweden?)”
Doubt this! All media are heavily censored regarding climate change, both in Sweden and Norway … Possibly through a private blog by pseudonym. In addition, everybody at the governmental Meteorological Institute (SMHI) are (officially) pro AGW … I do not know how it is at the Norwegian equivalent (MI), but suspect they have a similar situation. There are some few exceptions, when the meteorologist is employed by a private TV company … In that case, it might be one of them. But still, they must pass the censorship …
(OT. Based on the same weather data (from UK), Norwegian MI via yr.no usually produces better forecasts in Sweden than the Swedish SMHI does. After all, they use the exact same weather modeling …)
Michael Klein says:
July 30, 2011 at 11:17 pm
“I can’t agree with this letter to the editor.
To call AGW controversial is one thing, but to call it foolish is another. I think you are all fooling yourselves if you deny there isn’t any credible scientific evidence to back AGW.”
OK Michael, go ahead and name just one piece of credible scientific evidence to back AGW.
Just ONE would be really nice, thank you.
Unless the sceptical people realise that: constant climatic changes have notyng to do with the phony GLOBAL warming, shouldn’t blame the Warmist. There is no such a thing as GLOBAL warming, but water changes climate. Do you realy like Australian climate; in which animals, trees and people burn in bushfires?!
We need urgent climate change for better. More water saved on land (dams) atracts extra clouds from the sea = better climate. Clouds avoid dry land. If is no permanent moisture inland – when rain finaly arives = soil is not water receptive = floods. If you drive from Brisbane to Brome – everybody stops where is permanent water dam /river = because is better climate, but not on dry creeks /rivers. Trees are growing, where is better climate. Why the trees are healhier in 100km radious around coal produced electricity generators; than in Nullabor?! Trees will tell you about good /bad climate and the corect amount of CO2, not the shonky Climatologist. Climatologist, ecologist and marine biologist are just the Urban Sheep Shearers.
Being a some what older bloke I some times have trouble teasing out the exact meaning of modern terms, such as cognitive dissidence. Of recent times reading the posts of those who are true believers in AGW I now have some insight. This has been re-inforced by the stupidity of my government in OZ and I can now say that I am fully aware of its implications.
This has led me on a path of rebellion against stupidity and I am joining one of the convoys of no confidence to march on the capitol.
A nation of sheep, soon begets a government of wolves.
I am sorry to have to point out that if you base the sunset clause on global cooling you will only produce a manipulated climate record.
In some circles this is referred to as the Hawthorne effect, though in this case it could be better referred to as the Jones effect (i.e. ‘hide the decline’).
Win the debate; a tax on carbon is a defeat for human intellectual honesty and an assault on scientific integrity. If we lose that battle what chance do we have of keeping them honest on something like mean global surface T?
It isn’t directly measurable and we don’t really even know what it means. Tell me that you believe they cannot fudge the number into whatever they want. Ever heard of Enron? Eventually that would happen on a global scale, only instead of a publicly traded company which everyone has the right to own shares in or not, it will happen to national governments who have standing armies and the power to levy taxes, penalties, and criminal sentences.
Imagine how that ends.
Ahhhhhh.. wouldn’t it be nice if EVERY piece of legislation had a Sunset Provision. And, of course, NO Automatic ‘Same Term Extension’ by a simple majority. If a law is any good it ought to be able to muster a 2/3 majority at least to keep it going another couple of years. Right? I love Sunsets!
wayne Job @ur momisugly August 1, 2011 at 1:52 am
Cognitive dissonance is when you you realize that everything you believe is a warm, steaming cow patty. It helps if you realize that before you step in it.
Money colected from carbon tax should be put in trust acount, until proven 100% that is a GLOBAL warming; or there isn’t one. They must introduce carbon tax – when people realise that is no GLOBAL warming; manipulators to have justyfication, that they prevented it by being in your pocket = therefore, you must obay them in future about everything. Same as imposing carbon tax to prevent the moon not to colide with the earth. If by next year she doesnt hit the earth = keep the money – enjoy it.
People using computers predicting the weather long term…….. NOT!!! Try this. Forget about it. People and the other mammals inhabiting the PLANET EARTH breath. Co2 results. So the more you breath the more you pay in carbon tax? If you don’t pay the tax?…….You must stop to breath? The earth is its own ecosystem and we people just don’t got the horses to damage or effect the system so as to change the energy level or change the entropy, the rate of change in or out. The sun and the earth are beg enough to take care of them selves! Let them be!
So the spoof or scam or the enslavement of many by the few who deem it so continues as always! If you pay for the foolishness YOU ARE SUCKERS AND should eat bean sprouts and tofu for eternity. Remember we and our rock is NO accident. So the rock will take care of itself and there is nothing we can or should do to help it along. If its getting warmer or colder then all is as it should be. Don’t worry be HAPPY. And get out of my money, get off my back, live and let live; otherwise Kiss My Ass.
Not exactly. C.D. is when you won’t consciously admit that something you believe won’t fit with hard facts you are becoming aware of. Contradictory rationales set up a stressed state.
A not unreasonable rant. But … if you’re tempted to repeat it, try to learn the distinction between “breath” (the noun, exhaled air) and “breathe” (the verb, inhaling and exhaling). The first rhymes with Seth, the second rhymes with seethe.
Also, not just mammals exhale CO2. So do lizards, amphibians, insects, fish, and birds. All animals, in fact.
P.S. Plants also exhale CO2 — at night, when there’s no light to photosynthesize with!