Carbon Tax Mark 4? A Stealthy Cancer

Letter to the Editor

Watts Up With That

10 July 2011

Carbon Tax Mark 4 is flimsy but dangerous.

Because of public opposition to a new tax on everything, the tax has been gutted. The PM hopes to buy public support by giving exemptions to almost everyone and offering widespread bribes to voters. It is now feeble and ineffective.

But the Green-Gillard coalition is desperate and such people cannot be trusted. They will say or promise anything in order to get this new tax introduced.

Once on the law books, the exemptions will be whittled away, the tax rate will increase and the tax bribes will disappear. It is a stealthy cancer in the gut of the Australian economy.

The cost of electricity, food, fuel and travel will increase, but few people will recognise the root cause. Politicians will blame “Woolworths, power suppliers and Big Oil” for the pain.

This new stealth tax is the thin edge of the wedge.

It will have no effect on the climate, but is a fiscal weapon too dangerous to be left in the hands of green extremists.

Leaving Bob Brown loose with the vast powers of a carbon tax is like leaving the grandkids alone in the hayshed with a box of matches.

“Abolish the Stealth Tax” will be the next election slogan.

Viv Forbes

Via Rosewood    Qld    4340   Australia

vforbes@bigpond.com

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Andy
July 11, 2011 12:57 am

Newspaper headline 2013 (Australia)
Carbon pollution has not decreased. Govt has no option but to increase tax and include fuel.`

Faustino
July 11, 2011 1:03 am

Dr T G Watkins, I have to disagree with your assessment of Bob Hawke, a very good head of a very good government, to which I was an economic policy adviser. However, it’s been all downhill for the ALP since Keating first challenged Hawke.

Peter Miller
July 11, 2011 1:23 am

On behalf of all expensive and pointless bureaucrats everywhere, I welcome this new tax.
This tax will require the employment of tens of thousands of people, who would be unemployable in the private sector, to implement. It gives me a warm feeling of well-being to realise that the new bureaucracy should replace at least 15% of the jobs lost elsewhere as a result of the new legislation, but that the payroll of jobs lost and jobs created will be approximately the same.
I warmly applaud Julia Gillard for her brilliance and foresight in this magnificent act of job creation in the public sector and it is only fair the so called ‘tax payers’ should shoulder its cost. The benefits of this wonderful legislation are clear for all to see in that it will clearly reduce global temperature increases by at least 0.000002 degrees C over the next two decades.
For those industries who do not like this legislation, I say “Go and good riddance to you”. How dare you spurn the will of the people – at least 20% of the electorate fully support this legislation and the rest are just ignorant trolls whose opinion do not matter.
We need more professional politicians in power and I fully support the move to outlaw anyone with business experience or the so called ‘real world’ to ever again be allowed to hold high political office.

John Marshall
July 11, 2011 2:20 am

Come on Australia, Vote Gillard OUT. You know it makes sense.

July 11, 2011 3:54 am

Regress Australia Fair…

Bob Long
July 11, 2011 4:10 am

Nick Shaw says:
July 10, 2011 at 3:00 pm
“Ms. Forbes…”
Easy to make that mistake. “Viv” in this case is the abbreviation of a male’s name.

amicus curiae
July 11, 2011 4:14 am

this snip is from a Nationals newsletter I received;
And while the Prime Minister today announced an increase in the tax-free threshold from $6,000 to $18,000, what she didn’t trumpet is that she is also increasing the tax rate applying to lower income levels from 15 to 19 cents and from 30 to 33 cents – clawing back much of the assistance families can expect.

RobertvdL
July 11, 2011 5:03 am

I assume that most of us know it’s all a lie, and that it has nothing to do with the climate .It’s all about moving power from ,we the people ,to them , the elite. They will save us from all evil as long as we transfer all power to them Ones all power is in there hands there will be no justice no laws made by us the people Then we are slaves again. Be afaid be very afraid because they know who we are. We are already on there black list You remember ,
“We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few.”
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/climate/2010/04/will_the_real_climategate_plea_1.html
“An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland”.
– Adolf Hitler, on creating the Gestapo
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/hitler-founded-the-department-of-homeland-security/
STALIN, MAO, POL POT, KIM IL SUNG ADOLF HITLER wonderful people.
The GESTAPO

Don’t think it can’t happen again
T SS A
Ron Paul: The TSA Is Not Above The Law

Mac the Knife
July 11, 2011 7:21 am

If the camel gets his nose into the tent, you can bet the humps will follow…..

Mac the Knife
July 11, 2011 7:30 am

Peter Miller says:
July 11, 2011 at 1:23 am
“On behalf of all expensive and pointless bureaucrats everywhere, I welcome this new tax……
We need more professional politicians in power and I fully support the move to outlaw anyone with business experience or the so called ‘real world’ to ever again be allowed to hold high political office.”
Is that you, Mr. Obama?

MostlyHarmless
July 11, 2011 8:48 am

:
“I dread to think what kids are taught in schools down under.”
Our Minister for Education was formerly the president of the Australian Conservation Foundation. I suspect our kids are being taught propaganda masquerading as science.

Agnostic
July 11, 2011 9:20 am

Here is an e-mail my father (a retired project engineer) received from Julia Gillard.
“Dear Colin,
The time has come to move from words to deeds – from a climate change debate to action on climate change.
That’s why I have announced the Government’s plan for a clean energy future.
Under our plan, five hundred big polluters will start paying $23 for every tonne of carbon from 1 July 2012. By 2020 this will cut pollution by 160 million tonnes.
Some of the cost will flow to consumers, which is why we will provide nine in 10 households with permanent tax cuts, pension increases and higher family payments, plus 20 per cent extra for most lower-income households and pensioners.
The carbon price will drive huge investments in clean technologies like solar, wind and geothermal – bringing $100 billion worth by 2050.
Pricing carbon is a big change for our country, so please continue your activism and commitment because it has never been more important.
Keep telling your friends and family about why climate action is so important for our environment and for creating the jobs of tomorrow.
Make sure they get the facts by visiting our cleanenergyfuture.gov.au website where they can find details of the Government’s plan and what it means for them.
Australians are a confident, creative people. Together we can build a brighter future for our nation.
Julia”
Here is his response:
“Dear Julia,
Thank you for your message below. As a self funded retiree I will happily receive whatever allowances your plan provides for me. However, I despair over the way your carbon tax issue has arisen. I guess it’s been driven by your perceived need to reduce Australian emissions of carbon dioxide. I think your conclusions are premature,
I understand your perception that anthropomorphic emissions are causing global warming (AGW). But despite what your advisors say, the SCIENCE IS NOT SETTLED. It never is on any subject. In the case of climate science there is a lot of evidence that global temperatures have stopped rising (despite the continuing rise in CO2 levels) and that the impact of CO2 may not be as severe as the IPCC would have you believe.
Before using the state of knowledge as it is currently known in order to make far reaching policy decisions, you need to carry out Due Diligence studies in order to verify that what you are being told is correct. The level of detail required to execute proper Due Diligence for something as complex as the dynamics of climate change is truly enormous. Peer review is not due diligence. Neither are the IPCC reports. Certainly not the Garnaut reports.
Peer review of published papers is in general a coarse filter to ensure that if the evidence which the paper examines is valid and if the writers have done their sums correctly and if the results appear to make sense and add to the body of human knowledge then it’s OK to publish. Peer reviewers are unpaid experts in the same field as the writers of the paper. They seldom see all the basic data, the computer codes, the corrections, deletions and adjustments, the instrument calibration details, full details of all assumptions, etc, and their judgements are often coloured by their personal prejudices. Also they don’t get to see the experimental equipment and test environments or the actual samples that form the basis for the paper being reviewed. Usually none of this matters because scientific progress is self correcting. If a rocket scientist gets it wrong the rocket may crash or wander off course or fail in some other way. Oh dear, what a shame. Well, we’ll get it right next time round.
Predicting climate change is not rocket science. It’s much, much more difficult. And the consequences of getting it wrong may be much, much more costly. So what do you do, given that there may be something happening that could cause humanity immense harm unless we change something? You conduct proper Due Diligence studies – engineering quality, not academician quality.
You need to get the protagonists – those who claim we have a severe, looming problem – to assemble their best arguments and evidence to support their case. They should only offer papers which have been published with full public disclosure of all the data and computer codes so that the claims made within the paper can be reproduced by others. Then you appoint a Due Diligence Team (DDT) and give it a proper briefing (a Scope of Work). In the commercial world DDTs are usually independent disinterested contractors. They will need to see all of the things that peer reviewers usually don’t see as described above. In fact for proposals which will cost the community billions, the DDT will want to see a lot more. For example, many academic papers cite other previously published papers. These citations may have to be examined too. They will want to see the ‘bad’ data as well as the ‘good’. Also, published papers and other evidence may be invited for positions purporting to be contrary to the protagonists case. There is plenty of evidence which appears to throw doubt on many aspects of the IPCC case for climate change (the politically acceptable expression for AGW) and this will need to be subjected to DDT examination too.
Unlike the authors of the IPCC reports who are nearly all climate scientists, the DDT should comprise physicists, economists, engineers, mathematicians (especially statisticians), geologists, biologists and climate scientists. But no more than 25% of the team should be climate scientists. It’s doubtful if the DDT will ever be able to achieve certainty on any matter but they should be able to come much closer to the truth than has the IPCC.
Contrary to what you may have been told, the IPCC reports comprise the assessment by no more than 40 or 50 climate scientists, of all the published papers that in their opinion support in some way, climate change outside the realm of natural variation. Reviewers of each chapter in the reports were not permitted to see data which was not expressly provided in the relevant papers. In fact one reviewer was threatened with dismissal because he kept asking to see data. There is no audit trail for positions taken by authors of each chapter. None. In the business world, if a financier were asked to commit billions for some project on the basis of a report of the quality of any of the IPCC Assessment Reports he would tell you to “Go away – don’t waste my time”.
I’m a retired engineer with a background in project management. Many of my peers agree with me about this.
Colin”

July 11, 2011 11:22 am

Leon Brozyna says:
July 10, 2011 at 2:02 pm
This is just the latest program of all too many brought to the unsuspecting public by the Good Intentions Paving Company. It is, of course and unfortunately, not limited to Australia.

Amusingly, even when forced to acknowledge that Australia’s “reductions” will have minuscule or negligible effect on climate, it is justified as alternatively an inspiration to the Rest of the World to do likewise, or as trying to keep up with same (in doing the right thing, doncha know?).
As Lindzen observed to Bolt, it’s really an attempt to make people WANT to give the gubmint more money. Nice scam, if you can sell it.

Mark
July 11, 2011 11:41 am

“Agnostic commented at 9:20 am (7/10/11)……………. ……”You conduct proper Due Diligence studies – engineering quality, not academician quality….” a response, “by Colin”, to a letter from Julia Gillard”
A- Can your father please send his thoughts on Due Diligence to CARB, the CEC and the CPUC out here in CA!!!!!!!! I have been perplexed the last few years on the lack of Due Diligence, as described by your father, on how the process CARB has used to get agreement on the details of the 33%RES. It wasn’t till reading your post that the ah ha moment fell into place for me on what has been missing- the independent reviewers as part of the Due Diligence.
Thanks for the post. I have saved it in my advocacy file. It will be interesting to see if Colin gets a response back from Ms. Gillard to his latest communication.
Mark

July 11, 2011 11:44 am

Agnostic;
If your ol’ dad was, say, in Turnbull’s post, Australia would be immensely better off — maybe even saved!
But if wishes were horses …

Vince Causey
July 11, 2011 12:15 pm

Brian H,
“As Lindzen observed to Bolt, it’s really an attempt to make people WANT to give the gubmint more money. Nice scam, if you can sell it.”
And they just might succeed. In a recent experiment, a lady set herself up in the parking lot at a Californian shopping mall, with the task of selling ‘carbon offsets’ to gullible shoppers. Amazingly, the shoppers were falling over each other to give away as much money as was asked of them, in order to relieve the terrible guilt they suffered after being lectured on the size of the carbon footprints their purchases had inflicted on the poor planet. One shopper insisted on giving even more than was asked.
Carbon tax to offset guilt? It’s a shoe in.

July 26, 2011 12:23 am

What is worrying is the amount of investment of people’s pensions in carbon trading and when that goes belly up then so will their superannuation.(Like the BBC has done, no wonder they support AGW). No wonder governments are walking on thin ice, and our government has jumped in boots and all, despite the warning ‘Beware thin ice ahead?’ Teaching children the wrong science/history is something they do in dictatorships. Next thing they will be removing the picture of Queen Elizabeth from the walls of public offices and putting up one of Julia Gillard or Al Gore? LOL. It’s almost worse than the many complaints given by creationists that evolution is wrong. One’s religious dogma and the other science. The two don’t always agree. But to insist only one be taught is guaranteeing indoctrination of evil intent in my mind. What is also worrying is that at one Coalition rally one man suggested we take up arms against the government. Mind you he was not agreed with, but you can see the other side of the coin, when the dictators start finding that there is opposition they try to qualify their stance by inducing violence in the community. Often seeded by themselves to discredit their opponents or frighten off those who are telling the truth. We must keep an international effort to make this AGW and the control of the UN IPCC over
climate change funding to be ridiculed. I see Congress has voted against providing any more funds to the UN Climate change fund. Good, wish Australia would do the same. It’s a giant rip off that some countries are taking advantage of by claiming developed countries are creating adverse environmental damage via climate change to their country. And controlled by the UN?