UPDATE (Sunday 6/26 8:30AM): After choosing the quote of the week this week (see above here) I’ve come to the conclusion that former Senator Wirth is mentally incapable of debating the issue in a rational manner, would likely not respond, and thus there is no point in keeping this as a top post. – A
Former Senator Tim Wirth invoked the nuclear option yesterday. Small mushroom clouds are now appearing across the world as people read what he said. This is my response to him. It will remain the top post for the next few days or until Mr. Wirth responds to the offer made below.
I got the email about this bit of climate ugliness just after having dinner Friday night. I couldn’t do anything about it while I was driving home from Sacramento then, and it is a good thing, because it made me quite angry. The hour long drive gave me time to think about it and remember what the world was like before global warming supposedly made the weather worse.
First, let me remind everyone who former Senator Tim Wirth is. For that, we have to go back to June 1988. Dr. James Hansen is getting ready to testify before the Senate on what he thinks is a serious problem, global warming. The sponsor for Dr. Hansen? Senator Tim Wirth.

If we left it there, there would really be nothing to say beyond the fact that he’s the guy who put Hansen in front of the Senate and launched the cause. But Senator Wirth was culpable in foisting stagecraft onto the Senate to make them “feel” the problem in the form of a well crafted lie.
If any of you have ever been in Washington DC during the summertime, you’ll be able to relate to this. Senator Timothy Wirth made sure that room was “steamy”. This transcript excerpt is from PBS series Frontline which aired a special in April 2007. Here he admits his stagecraft in his own words:
TIMOTHY WIRTH: We called the Weather Bureau and found out what historically was the hottest day of the summer. Well, it was June 6th or June 9th or whatever it was. So we scheduled the hearing that day, and bingo, it was the hottest day on record in Washington, or close to it.
DEBORAH AMOS: [on camera] Did you also alter the temperature in the hearing room that day?
TIMOTHY WIRTH: What we did is that we went in the night before and opened all the windows, I will admit, right, so that the air conditioning wasn’t working inside the room. And so when the- when the hearing occurred, there was not only bliss, which is television cameras and double figures, but it was really hot.[Shot of witnesses at hearing]
Watch the Frontline video here. [UPDATE: The Frontline video has gone missing, but here it is on YouTube]
So it goes without saying, that if the case Dr. Hansen was to make before the Senate was so strong, why did Senator Wirth need to make use of cheap stage tricks?
And, why would anybody trust this man’s opinion on climate today, knowing this?
Well yesterday, the former senator insulted the Jewish race people with the tired old “denier” label, then set his foot on fire, then stuck it in his mouth trying to tell about half of the US population (according to recent polls) that he’s “coming after them” because they don’t share his opinion.
From CNS News, an extraordinary story coming out of a UN press briefing Wirth participated in, here’s the relevant portions:
Former Dem Senator: Climate Change Caused U.S. Floods, Fires; We Need ‘Aggressive Campaign To Go After’ ‘Deniers’
Friday, June 24, 2011
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Sen. Wirth said: “Well, Barbara, that’s again, back to the major question we’ve been talking about. First, you and I know that while you can’t predict exactly from the climate models what’s going to happen, we know that the overall trend is going to be increased drought, increased flooding, increased number of fires – and we’re seeing exactly that sort of thing in the United States today with increased flooding this last year, with the fires that have swept, raging through Arizona and western New Mexico and Texas, the kind of dramatic climate impact that we have seen in the United States already. Slowly but surely, people are going to connect the dots. They’re gonna’ understand that this is precisely the kind of significant change that has been predicted and that we’re slowly but surely seeing.
“Happily, there are people like those in, the weather forecasters who’ve come together, you know, into a major group to try to discuss and to understand the impacts and how to explain climate change and climate impacts when they’re doing the evening news and talking about the weather, which is where most people in the United States get their information. That’s going to be, I think over a period of time, an extremely important set of steps to take.
“We also have to do a better job of having the scientific community being able to explain what they’re doing and how they’re doing it and why they’re doing it in very clear terms that are understandable to 300 million Americans.
“Third, we have to, I think, again as I’ve suggested before, undertake an aggressive program to go after those who are among the deniers, who are putting out these mistruths, and really call them for what they’re doing and make a battle out of it. They’ve had pretty much of a free ride so far, and that time has got to stop.
Here’s the audio clip, Wirth’s remarks are at about the 3 minute mark.
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I can’t print my initial reaction.
First let’s address Mr. Wirth’s claims of “increased drought, increased flooding, increased number of fires”.
To do that, we have to assume his claim relates to Dr. Jim Hansen’s warning in 1988 that increased CO2 in the atmosphere from the then 350 parts per million, to the now 390 parts per million made the claim of “increased drought, increased flooding, increased number of fires” happen.
Wirth probably isn’t familiar with the revolutions in technology making worldwide reporting a nearly instantaneous event. I address that issue here: Why it seems that severe weather is “getting worse” when the data shows otherwise – a historical perspective.
It seems like we get more of these things because news media and social media and people with cameras and cell phones are everywhere. Take for example the train crash today in the desert east of Reno, NV, which was covered mostly by citizens on the scene. Hardly anything escapes electronic notice anymore.
Second, Wirth’s hero, Dr. James Hansen, claims that we need to return to 350 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere to keep the Earth “safe” and avoid what Wirth claims we are seeing. An entire cult following has developed around this number, thanks to Bill McKibben and his 350.org eco-worriers.
That 350 number isn’t based on peer reviewed science. Hansen’s 2008 paper citing the 350 number was NOT peer reviewed, nor even published in a journal at the time. he just foisted it onto his website and a compliant press distributed it without question. No, that 350 number is based on the fact that was the value of CO2 when Jim Hansen and Wirth set this story loose in the Senate with the stagecraft. As Andy at NYT says “Back to 1988 on CO2, Says NASA’s Hansen“
1987 348.99 1988 351.44 1989 352.90 Source: ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_annmean_mlo.txt
So if what Wirth says is true, we probably didn’t have much in the way of ” increased drought, increased flooding, increased number of fires” back around the time of that magic 350 ppm number right?
Let’s have a look:
Drought:
The most severe drought in California’s history was the 1987-1992 drought. It is the drought Californians are most familiar with due to its recency and severity.
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North America as a whole has experienced numerous droughts. When pioneers first began settling the Great Plains, they were told that “rain follows the plow.” However, it was an unusually rainy period. In the late 1880s drought struck and over half of the settlers lost their land. Many people are familiar with the Dust Bowl of the 1930s and the lesser drought of the 1950s. What many people don’t recognize, however, is that over the past 400 years droughts equivalent to the 1950s drought have occurred several times per century (Priest et al., 1993; NOAA Paleoclimatological Program, 2000).
Source: College of the Siskiyous
And it wasn’t just California, it seems India was hit hard in 1987, when CO2 was 349 ppm.
India’s Drought Is Worst in Decades
By STEVEN R. WEISMAN, Special to the New York Times
Published: August 16, 1987
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”I am 75 years old, and I have never seen anything this bad,” said Naufat Mohammed, a white-bearded farmer, looking at the cracked earth around a well. ”This is God’s will, but God is angry with us.”
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The drought, which Government officials say is unprecedented in intensity, has already spread through most of the country, hitting hardest in the northern grain belts. There wells, reservoirs and water tanks are running at dangerously low levels or are already dry. Rain 75% Below Normal
No mention of CO2 or global warming in that article, they just blame God. It works just as well.
It seems the drought continued in the USA though summer 1988. Just a few weeks after Jim Hansen and Tim Wirth scared the bejesus out of a bunch of sweaty senators, Time Magazine put up this cover story:

Of course, in the US, drought was worse in 1934 when CO2 was at something around 290 ppm

The extent and severity of the driest year of the Dust Bowl in the United States, 1934
Source: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, 2000
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Flooding:
One only has to look at Dartmouth’s 1988 Global Register of Extreme Flood Events to see that 1988 was a busy year in flooding globally while CO2 was at 350 ppm.
Bangladesh got the worst of it that year. Monsoon rains flooded about two-thirds of Bangladesh in 1988, killing nearly 5000 people and destroying farm animals and crops.
www.itnsource.com
But even though much of the USA had drought conditions in 1988 when CO2 was at a “safe” level of 350 ppm, there were still some significant flood events:
U.S. Floods of 1988
By C.A. Perry, B.N. Aldridge, and H.C. Ross of the USGS
Many areas throughout the United States were affected by drought conditions in 1988. There were few significant widespread floods. A few flash floods occurred during the summer months due to localized, intense rains from thunderstorms. Several flash floods occurred during the summer.
On April 1 and 2, southern Kansas received 3 to 7 in. of localized rain, which caused flash floods. New Orleans, Louisiana, received 7 to 9 in. of rain on April 1 and 2 . Severe flooding occurred, and $18 million in damages resulted. Albuquerque, New Mexico, had $3 million in damages as a result of flash flooding on July 5-9.
Tropical Storm Beryl hit Louisiana and Mississippi in early August. The storm brought as much as 15 in. of rain to coastal counties of Mississippi. Significant flooding occurred on the Biloxi River in Mississippi.
Hurricane Gilbert, the first category five hurricane to make landfall since 1969, struck Louisiana and Texas on September 15 through 19. The storm caused coastal floods in Louisiana and produced excessive rains across Texas and Oklahoma.
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Fires:
Well, who could forget the year of fires in 1988, especially at Yellowstone just three months after the Jim and Tim show before the Senate? The Yellowstone fires of 1988 together formed the largest wildfire in the recorded history of the U.S.’s Yellowstone National Park.
The Yellowstone fires of 1988 were unprecedented in the history of the National Park Service, and many questioned existing fire management policies.
California and Texas had major wildfires in 1988 too, with Texas having in March the Big Country Fire burning 366,000 acres. In 1988, while CO2 was at that “safe” 350 ppm level there was also the Great Lashio Fire, Lashio, Myanmar, with 134 killed , and 2000 buildings destroyed. I’ll bet Mr. Wirth, you never heard about that one.
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So with all these horrible disasters happening in 1988 while Jim and Tim were turning off the AC and opening windows in the Senate hearing room to get all those senators hot and bothered over global warming at 350 ppm of CO2 concentration, the world went on as usual with droughts, fires, and floods, just like it is doing today.
But our former senator Wirth “knows” that the present batch of drought, floods, and fires are caused by that 40 parts per million increase since 1988. Those same events in 1988 must have had another cause because CO2 was at the “safe” 350 ppm level back then.
So Mr. Wirth, I call BS on your statement, and in my opinion, your opinion on the matters of “increased drought, increased flooding, increased number of fires” is what I would describe as not grounded in historic reality, or henceforth to be known as wirthless.
And yet, you say “…as I’ve suggested before,undertake an aggressive program to go after those who are among the deniers, who are putting out these mistruths, and really call them for what they’re doing and make a battle out of it.
Alrighty then. Mr. Wirth, let me give you the perfect venue by which to challenge skeptics, a “target rich environment” if you will. It’s right in your old stomping grounds in Washington DC, so it should be no trouble for you.
Next week, on June 30th and July 1st, hundreds of skeptics, including me, will be in Washington for a conference.

6th International Conference on Climate Change: June 30-July 1
The Sixth International Conference on Climate Change will be held in Washington, DC on June 30 – July 1, 2011 at the Mariott Wardman Park, 2660 Woodley Road NW. Timothy Ball, Ph.D., Larry Bell, Ph.D., Robert “Bob” Carter, Hon. FRSNZ, Steve Goreham, S. Fred Singer, Ph.D., and Roy W. Spencer, Ph.D. are among the confirmed speakers.
STANDING OFFER TO TIM WIRTH:
Federal and state elected officials can attend ICCC6 for free, but I’m sure Heartland will also open that offer to you as a former elected official.
I’m the first session speaker on June 30th, and to give you ample opportunity to tell the worldwide skeptic community what your plan is to “go after” us and “make a battle of it” I yield my 15 minutes to the former Democratic Senator from Colorado.
I’ll sit quietly and respectfully during that 15 minutes sir, and then it will be our turn to tell you what we know.
Mr. Wirth, this offer is genuine.
If your intent is genuine, bring it. I’ll expect to see you there, as you won’t find a better venue or opportunity to make good on your threats. You may find though, that skeptics won’t threaten you back, but will engage you in a factual discourse if you are up to it. I predict though you have not the intestinal fortitude. Prove me wrong.
You can contact me at this web link, or contact Heartland directly here. Given their longstanding policy of inviting the opposition, I’m certain they’ll work to make it happen and I’ll gladly assist.
– Anthony Watts

Thank goodness he’s an EX-senator!
Alicia Frost says @ur momisugly June 25, 2011 at 1:53 am “…maybe an ice age”
Based on what evidence?
In response to news inquiries and stories, Dr. Frank Hill issued a follow-up statement:
“We are NOT predicting a mini-ice age. We are predicting the behavior of the solar cycle. In my opinion, it is a huge leap from that to an abrupt global cooling, since the connections between solar activity and climate are still very poorly understood. My understanding is that current calculations suggest only a 0.3 degree C decrease from a Maunder-like minimum, too small for an ice age. It is unfortunate that the global warming/cooling studies have become so politically polarizing.”
http://www.nso.edu/press/SolarActivityDrop.html
These AGW’s guys may not realize that there a possibility of them being dragged into the courts for having purposely and klnowingly pushed a lie and sacm that may cost peoples lives and money.
The whole stagecraft thing seems to make him so proud.
As a control they should get the senate to sit in the coldest day of the year with the heat off and the windows open to see which presents to most difficulties.
If we look back through history we will notice some repetition of tyrannical development within various forms of leadership. Their quest for total power over all things will become the lowest common denominator to attain total rule. Why will they win? They own the rule making creationist bureaucratic pawns. The public is all about redistribution of your wealth. Why do illegal aliens allowed to continue to pour across our boarders? Simple, they gain voters through believers in the amnesty proclamations. They are literally purchasing the votes one small sector at a time. Those of us who have wealth of any amount are demonized. And today those who want your wealth see CO2 hysteria and AGW as an avenue to that wealth. They are blinded in greed.
A logical thinker as Anthony exhibits to be can not change the thinking flaws found in our population who see the world in a total lie. They are unable to construct a thought that does not include a “what’s in it for me” construct. They will breed themselves into dominance.
http://www.unfoundation.org/about-unf/our-leadership/timothy-e-wirth.html
Mr. Wirth,
Since I am what you deride as a denier, I demand to know exactly what you mean when you state in your Frontline interview:
“Third, we have to, I think, again as I’ve suggested before, undertake an aggressive program to go after those who are among the deniers, who are putting out these mistruths, and really call them for what they’re doing and make a battle out of it. They’ve had pretty much of a free ride so far, and that time has got to stop”
What possible remedy can you be suggesting that isn’t a direct physical threat to me and my friends and family? Do you mean I should be placed in forced re-education? Shackled? Thrown in jail, or something more severe?
In order to provide assurances to the contrary to those who conclude that you are promoting a pogrom, I recommend you either publically retract it with a full, unqualified apology, or show up at the Sixth International Conference on Climate Change will be held in Washington, DC on June 30 – July 1, 2011 at the Mariott Wardman Park, 2660 Woodley Road NW, and deliver an explanation for your ugly, threatening proclamation.
“Of course, in the US, drought was worse in 1934 when CO2 was at something around 290 ppm.”
Um – I would check that statement regarding CO2 levels in 1934 with the recorded values published by Ernst-Georg Beck:
http://www.biomind.de/realCO2/
Mind you, Beck does not distract from the points you are trying to make as long as one bothers to think about it…
He reminds me of #2…ah err…well.
If you get a chance to confront him directly, don’t forget the tissue.
Alicia Frost says:
June 25, 2011 at 1:53 am
I hate to be the bearer of bad news Mr Watts but this site and real climate are coming close to being irrelevant as all things seems to be pointing to no problem or maybe an ice age.
What, when even as we speak Chairman Gore and a no lesser than comrade Wirth himself have called upon their Workers to Unite and wage against us Oppressors of Social Justice their most recent Revolution – perhaps not so strangely in conjunction with the formulaic Greecian
44uprisings and in union with the “this is what democracy looks like” outbreaks?No, Alicia, instead of wallowing around in the usual self-fulfilling woe of a “projected” irrelevancy or final demise – such as they always seem to want – “rise up again” yourself, now using your empowerment and education, and of course your justly attained economic equality, to stop them! After all, even as their Zombie brothers and sisters have always said, “Rejoice, the future always happens! We see brains all around!…useful brains, curative brains, tasty brains.”
He would be wise not to debate imo. When politicians get into a debates with experts in a field, they tend to get flustered, confused and let their mouths run away with them. I seem to recall one such ocasion when the politican claimed that the centre of the earth was millions of degrees and that he had personally invented the interweb
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I’m going to write to Senator Wirth with a copy to both of my senators Brown and Kerry telling Wirth that I’m appalled by his suggestion. I will tell him directly that I dare him to come after me and this ‘free ride’ I’m getting while government spends billions each year to shove this hoax down our throats.
It doesn’t make sense that Hansen would call for a limit of 350 ppm CO2 back in 1987 when he was also claiming the effects of AGW were already underway. As a scientist he would have to call for a much lower level so that the effects would slowly go away.
tallbloke says:
June 25, 2011 at 3:32 am
“undertake an aggressive program to go after those who are among the deniers”
Perhaps Mr Wirth is planning to set up a ‘Committee for Anti Climatic Activities’ henceforth to be known as CACA.====
😉 😉
sort of makes what lord M said seem rather apt.
when we know how tiny the proportion of truth actiually getting any media at all really is,
any that manages to get a tiny space is also immediately ridiculed by someones pet “expert” no one ever heard of before(or after)
his claims of the sceptics having too much say?
is preposterous.
what he means is ANY say at all-is not on.
to me that smacks of” Isms and ists,”
there is NO View allowed but theirs…
An old has-been and not worth bothering with. Go after the fools who gave him his podium to spout his nonsense.
Can it also be arranged that Al Gore receive a standing offer to debate Lord Monckton at the conference?
fredb says:
June 25, 2011 at 6:10 am
Distinct groups don’t have to conspire if their self-interests align.
As DirkH said, Munich Re has a vested interest in painting disaster scenarios from CAGW so that they can raise their premiums and invest the proceeds, whether or not disasters actually materialize. WMO and NOAA stand to gain funding if the problem is viewed as “serious” by world governments.
WRT Munich Re’s inconsistencies, you can review Pielke Jr.’s extensive writings.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7HPND_en&q=munich+re+pielke+site%3Arogerpielkejr.blogspot.com&btnG=Search&oq=munich+re+pielke+site%3Arogerpielkejr.blogspot.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=undefined&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=5750l9343l0l3l3l0l0l0l0l171l327l1.2l3
I seriously doubt Mr. Wirth has the scientific knowledge to present a climate change talk. He would have to present his social plan to go after us. And that would be completely outside the scientific focus of the convention I would think.
I’m sure former Senator Wirth will have to attend to urgent business away from DC June 30 through July 1. ;->
Video of Wirth in his own words proudly explaining his stagecraft to trump up his hoax – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXCfxxXRRdY
Wirth made a great statement which shows the real problem with his whole religion:
““We also have to do a better job of having the scientific community being able to explain what they’re doing and how they’re doing it and why they’re doing it in very clear terms that are understandable to 300 million Americans.”
Yeah, if they had some FACTS for the people, they wouldn’t have to worry so much about silencing the realists! But arguing “on the merits” is a concept that liberals just don’t seem to understand.
Heh heh, I’ll send along THIS video with my letter to Wirth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx-t9k7epIk
Wirth is just another one of those greenshirts who thought they had the game won, thought they had managed to herd us into their reeducation camps.
Fortunately, just as they were about to snap the latch shut, their pants fell down and we managed to fight our way back out.
That isn’t to say they aren’t still trying. But at least their case and their effort look a lot more dubious now.
When alarmists point to increasingly weird US weather, the simplest and best response is that the temperature trend in the US for the past 15 years has been clearly down–not just flattish or slightly warming, like global temperatures.
(Can someone post a link to a chart showing this? I’ve seen them here in the past.)
JohnD says @ur momisugly June 25, 2011 at 7:18 am “What possible remedy can you be suggesting that isn’t a direct physical threat to me and my friends and family? Do you mean I should be placed in forced re-education? Shackled? Thrown in jail, or something more severe? ”
Oh stop already with the “we’re so oppressed” nonsense. He is clearly saying refute, assert the actual science of climate science. It is like how the sarcastic writing to make a point has been turned into the “they want to tattoo us” insanity that caught purchase here…. Gosh.
sceptical says:
June 25, 2011 at 5:37 am
Seems your anger has gotten the better of you again Mr. Watts. Past weather events do not mean the climate is unchanging. To claim so is silly.
So your own ‘logic’ is such that, “If I just repeat this Mantra enough, the otherwise non-existent ‘climate’ I am talking about thereby comes into existence”? Because ~”anything still possibly imaginable despite evidence is almost certainly existent” – therefore, such as your own “CO2=CAGW” = “climate change” word definition which also, according to your alleged reality-dictating word use, denies the possibility of any other “climate change” having ever occurred?
sceptical, snap out of it! That’s the problem with the Monkey tribe: “They know it is true because they always say it is true.” – Mogli, Jungle Book Movie
Attn., sceptical, avoid being an evolutionary throw-back or dead ender! Turn your thus far pro-forma scepticism back upon your own mind to see, 1] if you can escape your world of unhinged word-games and, 2] if you really do like it as much as you seem to.
Otherwise I fear you will try to mate with a GCM Warming Model!