Note to Lord Monckton: this isn't helping

We need to be just as hard as the Gaians, but words like fascist, Marxist, racist, anything-o-phobic, have lost all meaning and become pure cuss words. It’s possible to be harsh and meaningful by using less common words. For example, totalitarian still carries a full load of meaning, maybe because it has too many syllables for a good shout.

Moderate Republican says:
June 22, 2011 at 4:42 pm
James Sexton says @ur momisugly June 22, 2011 at 4:14 pm
“I’ll take these people over the Malthusian misanthropists with a totalitarian bent, fixated on killing to the point of creating snuff films, advising tattooing/branding and suggesting suicide to people with opposing points of views, any day. ”
“Um, yeah, OK. You must not know very many scientists I guess.
blathering…..blathering…..blathering……
more of the same……blathering……
Oh, and you really think anyone was actually suggesting tattooing anyone really need to read a wider variety of material to appreciate sarcasm…”
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MR, do you intentionally take everything I state out of context? Or is that simply a handicap you try to work around? My comment wasn’t aimed at the scientists. I thought that rather obvious. I’ll try to go slower for you next time, but you must know, you’re holding the group up. I was responding to Joshua, who seemed exception to the people gathered at this site. Oddly, in a perverse irony, I was actually defending even you, MR. (Seeing that you being a regular here and all.) And, YW. I was, rather comparing the typical reader/commentator here at WUWT, to the people that fantasize about our demise.
Sarcasm—— honestly, I love a good bit of sarcasm, even when occasionally directed at me. Its a great form of humor. Humor…….yes, nothing so hilarious as to watching non-conforming little tykes(that part was especially knee-slapping) blown to itty, bitty little pieces of blood and gore. I understand for a sequel, much like the spoofs of “Scary Movie”, they’ll be doing a side splitting bit about the “Killing Fields” in Cambodia, with a humorous follow up of Mao’s Great Leap Forward. —— Sarcasm.

connolly says:
June 22, 2011 at 4:43 pm
In reply to James Sexton. This is not an issue of scoialists v libertarians………..
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Certainly, Connolly, I may have gone a bit far in rolling with Monckton’s analogy. And, you are quite correct, it shouldn’t be about politics, it should be about getting science correct. Sadly, I’m afraid on this contentious issue, you’ll find it impossible to separate. I hope I’m wrong.
For me, I take it as a huge statement towards the validity of the science, if one sees such diverse groups unified in opposition to one singular issue. I also understand, that words carry different connotations in our two different nations. In my view, to have a government demand that you accept a point of view without the ability to question the government, and the same government imposes a punitive taxation on their people to accomplish their goals, meets my definition of totalitarian socialism. But, perhaps you’d word it differently in Australia. I won’t pretend to understand the labels and verbiage used down there.
But, just so we’re clear, there was never an intention of insulting anything about the hard working laborers of Australia. People seeking to impose their will against the wishes of their people and confiscating their wealth and livelihoods at the same time is what I rise to oppose and insult along the way.
Best wishes,
James

Since the 2008 publication of Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning, it has been intellectually dishonest to avoid addressing the plain tact that fascism – including Nazism – is a phenomenon of the authoritarian political left, and the adherents of the various socialist movements (call them progressives or “Liberals” or Peronistas or Communists or whatever else they’re using this week as a masquerade) are identical in their corrosive intent to violate the individual human rights of real, live people for what they excuse as “the greater good.”
With particular reference to the confluence of operations between “Liberal” fascists and los warmistas (the “We’re All Gonna Die!” demonizers of anthropogenic carbon dioxide), let me quote writer L. Neil Smith in his “A Letter to Australia” earlier this year:

Left wing fascists who call themselves liberals or progressives don’t solve problems. They can’t solve problems. In the first place, unsolved problems are their very stock in trade; solved problems represent a threat to their way of life. And, too, the particular mental illness that they suffer — and fraudulently try to present to the world as a political philosophy — isolates them from the cold, hard facts of objective reality, rendering them incapable of solving problems.
Instead, given sufficient money and political power, they merely shuffle problems around, shifting the load, as it were, from one location to another, invariably making things vastly worse in the process. It’s the sociopolitical equivalent of sweeping dirt under the rug.
For example, they erroneously believe that switching from internal combustion to electric cars will eliminate exhaust pipe emissions and somehow “save the Earth” (which, although they childishly refuse to acknowledge it, doesn’t really need saving). What they don’t see — because they won’t look — is that generating enough electric current to operate the automobiles of a nation or the world will fill the air with a greater volume of smokestack emissions, made worse because of the inefficiencies involved in delivering energy from powerplants to garages.

The “Liberal” fascists are fascists. When one of ’em struts like a Sturmabeilungmann (purple shirts instead of brown), spouts denigratory epithets like a Gauleiter, and grabs for “global warming research” funding and “carbon taxes” mulcted from innocent, protesting private citizens like a concentration camp guard going through his victims’ mouths with pliers in search of gold teeth, what the heck else are you supposed to call them?

[snip -DDT is waaay off topic – Anthony]

“David Suzuki has called for political leaders to be thrown in jail for ignoring the science behind climate change.
At a Montreal conference last Thursday, the prominent scientist, broadcaster and Order of Canada recipient exhorted a packed house of 600 to hold politicians legally accountable for what he called an intergenerational crime. Though a spokesman said yesterday the call for imprisonment was not meant to be taken literally, Dr. Suzuki reportedly made similar remarks in an address at the University of Toronto last month.”
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=290513
And David Suzuki of all people (he has actually been in an internment camp) shouldn’t be saying such things.
But exhorting his followers to jail his “enemies” …. sounds like fascism to me.

Thinking, free-market, Anti-AGW, progressive, Liberal (_Jim) says @ur momisugly “June 22, 2011 at 6:18 pm”
Yeah, um, OK. So I got the hurray for our side bit. Fun. Hope that was enjoyable – now back to the topic.
A rebuttal from the person who made all the mistakes is hardly compelling.
Nothing you wrote changes all of the inaccuracies in Monckton’s presentation. Seems a bit specious to get all excited that the refutation is now 10 minute shorter – it Monckton was correct there wouldn’t be 60 minutes of rebuttal.

Smiley face fascism.
It’s an in the name of doing good culture. It touches every area of life. And it wants your children. It doesn’t have a mean Hitler face. It’s a smiley face, with furry polar bears, pretty coral reefs, and clean energy cars. But it still is fascism. There is no room for freedom in global warming. You are coerced to follow—in the name of doing good for the world.
Jonah Goldberg on feel good fascism: