Greenpeace in our time

Josh from cartoonsbyjosh.com has been extra busy this week. He writes of the latest IPCC debacle:

Christopher Booker suggested a lovely idea for his latest article They did not use it there… it is here instead 😉

Oh but wait…there’s more…Josh also writes:

Also from the article, the sad fact that Wind Turbines, much loved by the renewable energy lobby, requires back up generators if they are going to supply continuous energy.

So what is the difference bewteen now and a greener future? More dead birds and a hideous view? Great.

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John D

BY VARCO commenting at CA
IPCC = I peddle climate crap
IPCC = I Peddle Climate Crap
too good to be missed

DirkH

No need to make a painting…
In my area: Kraftwerk Mehrum (coal powered).
http://wilfriedheck.tripod.com/wkr36.htm

Kev-in-Uk

if only the greenies would see it as most normal folk!
Unfortunately, what many fail to realise is the time it takes for coal fired power stations to ‘fire up’ – hence they normally run continuously – and hence the hydro power for instant ‘demand’. Alternative or renewables energy sources are unreliable, and so mainstream power sources must be kept ‘online’ for when they fail. It’s no different to hybrid cars which have normal petrol/gas for when the battery runs out! (the only difference being that in a power generation scenario, the power station is ‘run up’ in days or weeks, not at the flick of a dashboard switch!)

But, just think of all those green jobs created while increasing everyone’s electric bill!
Thanks
JK

A “Silent Spring” energy policy?

DirkH says:
June 18, 2011 at 4:45 pm
No need to make a painting…
In my area: Kraftwerk Mehrum (coal powered).
http://wilfriedheck.tripod.com/wkr36.htm
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Dirk, that would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Windmills = Birdamatic. Slices, dices, makes Julienne fries.

u.k.(us)

Um, idea for the second panel.
“Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.” (Barack Obama).

PaulH

Priceless!

Roger Knights

Peace? Pachouri?
ICPP

I beleive there are reasonable ways to use particular sources for energy. I want to save the earth but I wouldn’t want to rely on what makes the Hybrid runs. If you uses the right source of energy for whatever reasons then you help save the earth and . I explain more later.

Don Mcdonald

The IPCC strikes again. Has anyone coined the term “greenwashing” yet? Because that’s what the IPCC is doing – rubber stamping Greenpeace’s propaganda and “washing” it. The IPCC is being operating no differently than Goldman Sachs and Lehman Bros during the sub-prime mortgage run-up – take a bunch of crap mortgages (or in the IPCC’s case untenable environmental policy) and run it through the machines of perceived respectability, and ta-dah! you have “AAA” mortgages and “peer-reviewed” conclusive evidence. We all saw what happened when the sub-prime mortgage meltdown happened – now we get to watch what happens when the entire AGW movement melts down under the same pressure. Pass the popcorn – this is going to be fun!

Steven Kopits

Univ Colorado drawing fire for re-working sea level change rates.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/17/research-center-under-fire-for-adjusted-sea-level-data/
It was a pretty lame attempt even at the time; it’s not surprising that their adjustment has drawn fire. They should have just called it as the satellite saw it.

Jimmy Haigh

The whole thing is a laughing stock now. A bloody expensive one.
Oliver Martin says:
June 18, 2011 at 5:01 pm
A “Silent Spring” energy policy?
Nice one – wind power will probably kill a lot more birds than DDT ever did.

Parse Error

I always liked this explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X–SzuqULD0&t=4m43s

Myrrh

Parse Error – even Holland doesn’t have that many windmills! Priceless.

Harold Ambler

Mine is:
Imbecilic Planetary Control Crew.
Enjoy.

R. Shearer

And organic cukes kill more than nukes!

Can he draw one showing the beauty of solar energy, please?

StuartMcL

Rather like the huge new solar power plant that they are going to build in Queensland. Most of the MSM reports are totally ignoring the fact that it is in fact a solar/gas plant. It will be interesting once it is in operation to see if they publish how much of its output is from solar and how much from gas.

Jeff L

The viewscape issue with wind farms is something that shouldn’t be ignored. I was thinking about this driving across I-80 last week. An interesting drive in that it crosses several large wind farms & multiple large natural gas fields. The wind farms are visible for 10’s of miles & really detract from some very pretty views of distant mountain ranges. Having driven this many times before the wind farms were there, I can say the wind farms are a pretty big negative impact on the feeling of the “wide open spaces” & “remoteness from civilization” you get in Wyoming (which is what I like about Wyoming) . The gas fields on the other hand are hardly noticeable & in fact probably wouldn’t be noticed at all by those who didn’t already know the gas fields were there.
All that being said, I have never seen Wyoming greener – even in desolate Rock Springs, it was green & there were still snow drifts on the bluffs – in mid June (you have to appreciate that this area is essentially a high desert & generally considered pretty bleak my most – this is very atypical for this late in the year – see other WUWT posts on cold / wet spring in the mountain west). I don’t think this is what the CAGW folks had envisioned.

rbateman

Imaginary Planetary Crisis Cookbook.
Recipe of the day: Ponzi Pastry Turnovers stuffed with taxpayer Green.

Paul R

StuartMcL says:
It will be interesting once it is in operation to see if they publish how much of its output is from solar and how much from gas.
I don’t care just as long as they go down this path, (there is no stopping them) and stay the hell away from those ugly useless bird killers.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/sunday-mail/sun-dawns-brightly-on-reginal-queenslands-12b-power-plant-plan/story-e6frep2f-1226077724572

You guys should check out the post on “Render the Debate Moot” at http://www.togetherwecanfixthis.com. Try the alternative to the alternatives.

This
is what
they really
want to do
to mountains
to display the crosses
and monstrous sunset sunrise flickering shadow fields
of sacrificial doomsday religion,
access roads and
power lines
too.

Cassie King

From the ecofascists of the budding 4th Reich we have a supposed fanatical concern about wildlife, halting factory construction to protect toads or spiders and even halting a port expansion to protect some slime. However the silence from the eco green shirts is deafening about the vast numbers of birds and bats being killed by the growing number of windmills/bird manglers.
Suddenly from a total commitment to protecting all lifeforms like slime and bacteria even at the expense of jobs and economic prosperity to a total silence about decimated bird and bat populations, some of which are rare. Greenpeace should be called redconflict. Its a political organisation with political aims and as such views all things as tools to further its political ambitions. Poverty and misery and hate and jealousy is the perfect manure in which Marxism grows and prospers, they need it and thrive in it and without it they are nothing.
Prosperity and contentment, full employment and a vibrant economic environment, these are poison to Marxist agitators like greenpeace/redconflict. If it meant killing all wildlife on earth to bring about their warped political vision then that would be a small price for them. Everything is political and everything is expendable and everything is a political tool to be exploited.

Legatus

The real question is, what are we going to do with all those dead birds? Some suggestions:
Fertilizer, we want green, right?
But wait, first mulch and make methane out of em, then use the remainder for fertilizer, we will need the methane to make some actual power anyway.
Animal feed, but we all know people eating meat is bad and evil (PETA, People Eating Tasty Animals).
Or we could gather them all up and mail them to certain government officials…

bluedolly25 says:
June 18, 2011 at 6:00 pm
I beleive there are reasonable ways to use particular sources for energy. I want to save the earth but I wouldn’t want to rely on what makes the Hybrid runs. If you uses the right source of energy for whatever reasons then you help save the earth and . I explain more later.

Please don’t. More illiterate garbled nonsense is not wanted.

Amino Acids in Meteorites

The bird choppers needs to be a t-shirt.

Phillip Bratby

Josh forgot to draw in the power lines connecting the turbines to the grid and the roads connecting all the trurbines together.

Just like in the case of Peace in our time, you’re negotiating about us without us! 😉

On the web, by the way, the cool “Greenpeace in our time” headline was also used by Christopher here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8584210/The-IPCC-declares-Greenpeace-in-our-time.html

Blade

NikFromNYC [June 18, 2011 at 8:47 pm] says:

NikFromNYC, can you get your bird stuff past the socialists censors here?
Some select examples of comments to [guardian.co.uk] UK urges Ireland to build wind farms on west coast

“I have always been for wind farms but the bird killing issue disturbs me. Is there any concrete evidence for this?”

“Not as far as I know. I think some prototype models poorly situated did, but it’s pretty rare for modern turbines to kill birds. If you want to compare and contrast killing methods, I guess our entire planetary ecosystem is adversely affected by CO2 emissions …”

“Some seem quite happy to whine about birds and eyesores while failing to offer any alternative solution to the mining and burning of fossil fuels … In fact birds are not an issue if the turbines are placed correctly and onshore turbines can in fact protect an area’s biodiversity by not allowing any other construction in the area. More birds are killed by cats in the UK and Ireland than wind turbines. I don’t see any RSPB campaign against cats.”

“By the way, I don’t have any links but, from memory, studies have shown that wind farms pose very little threat to bird populations. Birds tend to be quite clever when it comes to avoiding large obstacles.”

“There has been a lot of work done on this issue, one big study tagged migrating birds and recorded their movements. It was found the birds were quite aware of the turbines and plotted a course around or in between them and they even managed this at night so it’s not really a problem. Sorry no I have no link for this, it was in a lecture.”

kim

Yep, I think ‘Greenpeace in our Time’ is a trenchant slogan. I’ve got precedence for it at CA, but I’m glad others think it’s effective.
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kim

Heh, on rereading, I like it even better now.
Oh God, please lift the
Guilt of achieving success.
Greenpeace in our time.
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kim

The bird and the bat killing, tragic though it is, and useful for demonstrating green hypocrisy, is only strike four against the windmills. Strike one is energy density, strike two is intermittency, and strike three is the noise pollution, subsonic even worse than audible.
We will always cherish a few of them as signal markers of how high the tide of human foolishness can rise.
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kim

If you’d told Fritz Lang of this, he’d have laughed his ass off and then gotten busy.
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Borrowed Josh’s cartoon for our fight against this wind farm, http://www.palmerston-north.info – hope that it’s OK to do so. Happy to remove it if it’s not. We are gaining traction in this 5 year battle and the website has been a great tool. I strongly recommend others in this situation build a website, and without courting a defamation lawsuit, be blunt and speak your mind. The promoters will not fight fair and will try every trick in the book. All it will cost is a domain name. We should have a final decision soon.

View from the Solent

In a similar vein. Our green and pleasant land http://fenbeagleblog.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/leaning-against-the-wind/

Steven Kopits says:
June 18, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Univ Colorado drawing fire for re-working sea level change rates.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/17/research-center-under-fire-for-adjusted-sea-level-data/

I’m surprised that this hasn’t made WUWT yet—did I miss it?
/Mr Lynn

Jimbo
Jimbo

Mr Lynn says:
June 19, 2011 at 4:52 am
I think the sea level rise story was already been covered on WUWT.
5th May, 2011
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/05/new-sea-level-page-from-university-of-colorado-now-up/

Not only do they devastate vast swaths landscape and kill birds in wholesale lots, they drive out wildlife for miles around. No deer, bear, squirrels, or even raccoons. We know this from experience in West Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Maine.
In Wisconsin, farmers are finding that the stress of constant subsonic noise is reducing the productivity of dairy herds and increasing livestock miscarriages. In the Yorkshire seal breeding grounds on the North Sea, vastly more seal pups have been found born dead or abandoned by their mothers, due to noise stress from the offshore wind farm — subsonic noise travels huge distances underwater.
These utterly useless monstrosities are doing more damage to more of the planet than all human pollution since the beginning of the industrial age. It is long past time to get serious about saving the environment from the environmentalists.
Visit wind-watch.org for more information.

grayman

Bob Tisdale, For those of us old enough to remember those machines that is CLASSIC!! LMAO

James Keenan

I doubt it would be possible to find a picture of an ugly scar from a coal strip-mining operation. (And I’m sure the acid rain has no effect on bird populations either directly for through the resulting destruction of environment. We also need not mention “black lung” other to say it is a recommended homeopathic treatment for all respiratory ailments).
No double standards observed here. None at all.
/sarc

phlogiston

Mr Lynn says:
June 19, 2011 at 4:52 am
Steven Kopits says:
June 18, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Univ Colorado drawing fire for re-working sea level change rates.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/06/17/research-center-under-fire-for-adjusted-sea-level-data/
I’m surprised that this hasn’t made WUWT yet—did I miss it?
/Mr Lynn
Something odd is going on re sea level – here is Steve Goddard’s take:
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/hiding-the-decline-in-sea-level/
REPLY: I covered it two months ago, old news. Just because Fox and Goddard and a bunch of people are caterwauling now doesn’t mean WUWT “missed” it.
– Anthony

phlogiston

Bob Tisdale says:
June 18, 2011 at 5:28 pm

Windmills = Birdamatic. Slices, dices, makes Julienne fries.

grayman says:
June 19, 2011 at 9:33 am

Bob Tisdale, For those of us old enough to remember those machines that is CLASSIC!! LMAO

Was this machine what Jim Carrey was advertising in the film “The Truman show”? In the kitchen scene with his “wife” near the end?

thisisgettingtiresome

I do like the last line of the Brooker piece:-
“A spokesman for the IPCC was unavailable for comment.”
That’s probably just as well, given their propensity to completely balls things up every time they say something.

@ James Keenan, June 19, 2011 at 10:50 am —
Precisely. Notice that the real environmental problems of coal are from mining, not burning (the “acid rain” nonsense being another phony scare); the burning pollution is a solved problem (fluidized bed, scrubbers, etc.); the remaining challenge is to make these technologies cheaper so that China and India will include them in their designs.
The US is now spending the equivalent of $300 for every man, woman, and child in the population annually on subsidies to “wind power”. Can you imagine the progress that could have been made had even a small fraction of that sum been spent on research towards safer and cleaner coal mining?

Karoly

Jimmy Haigh says:
June 18, 2011 at 6:30 pm
> Oliver Martin says:
> June 18, 2011 at 5:01 pm
>> A “Silent Spring” energy policy?
> Nice one – wind power will probably kill a lot more birds than DDT ever did.
And getting rid of it wouldn’t cause more people to go blind. It would in fact remove an eyesore.