Skeptic Strategy for Talking About Global Warming

Guest Post by Ira Glickstein

What should a responsible Skeptic say to an astute audience? When recently invited by the “Technology, Engineering, and Science Plus” group in my community to give a talk and answer questions, I knew I would have an attentive room of tech-savvy professionals. However, they might not be fully tuned in to the details of the Global Warming controversy. Furthermore, they were likely to have opinions closer to the supposed “mainsteam science” orientation than mine.

In this posting, I’ve summarized the main points I think are most likely to align people who are both intelligent and reasonable to the Skeptic side. My Powerpoint (with talking points for each chart in the Notes section under each slide) is available [click here] for you to use and adapt as you wish.

Highlight scene from former VP Al Gore's Nobel and Oscar-winning movie, An Inconvenient Truth. Dramatic correlation between temperature and CO2 over past 600,000 years. Implication that global mean temperature rise will parallel CO2 increases. But, which way does the causation go? {Annotations by ira@techie.com, TVPClub.blogspot.com}

A. Basic Climate Science – Water vapor (H2O), carbon dioxide (CO2), and other “greenhouse” gases cause the Earth Surface to be warmer than it would be if the Atmosphere was just nitrogen.

  1. Light energy from the Sun warms the Earth System, which consists of our Atmosphere and the Surface. Based on satellite measurements, the Sun provides 1366 Watts per square meter (W/m^2) at the Top of the Atmosphere. After accounting for the Earth’s spherical shape and albedo (reflectiveness), the absorbed energy averages out to about 240 W/m^2 for each square meter.
  2. To maintain a relatively constant mean temperature, Output Energy must equal Input Energy, so the Earth System must emit about 240 W/m^2 out to Space, which it does.
  3. We call the Input Energy “light” because we can see (much of) it. We call the Output Energy “heat” because we can feel it. However, whether it is “short wave” energy from the very hot Sun, or “long wave” from the more moderate Earth System, we know that energy is fungible. 240 W/m^2 of one type is equal, power-wise, to 240 W/m^2 of the other. A Watt is a Watt, no matter what :^)
  4. But, there is an “issue” – if we consider the Earth System as a “black body”, according to the laws of physics, for the Earth System to emit 240 W/m^2, it would have to be at a temperature of only 255 Kelvin, where Kelvins are degrees Celsius above absolute zero. (The Earth System is not exactly a black body, but it is close enough for our purposes here.)
  5. You may remember that anything above absolute zero emits radiant energy and that 0.0 Kelvin corresponds to -273ºC or -460ºF. The “issue” is that the Earth Surface has a mean temperature closer to 288 Kelvin, corresponding to about +15ºC or +59ºF. In other words, the Surface is about 33ºC or 58ºF warmer than the “black body” formula would indicate. How to explain this added warmth?
  6. The generally accepted explanation is the Atmospheric “greenhouse effect”. This is true science, but the name is somewhat misleading because a glass greenhouse works mostly by restricting convection while the Atmospheric effect works mostly by restricting radiation. I use “scare quotes” around “greenhouse” to acknowledge this semantic issue.
  7. The Atmosphere passes most of the “short wave” energy from the Sun and absorbs most of the “long wave” energy from the Surface. The absorbed energy warms the Atmosphere and is re-emitted in all directions at a variety of “long wave” wavelengths. A portion of radiation from the Atmosphere passes out the Top of the Atmosphere to Space. A portion is emitted in the downward direction and is absorbed by the Surface. This absorbed radiant energy accounts for most of the extra 33ºC or 58ºF.
  8. A variety of gases in the Atmosphere, primarily water vapor (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2), absorb and re-emit “long wave” radiation. These are called “greenhouse gases”.

B. Divergent Views – There is a valid, science-based argument between people I refer to as Warmists, Lukewarmers, and Skeptics. I distinguish their reasoned views from the far out, unscientific rantings of people I refer to as Alarmists and their equal and opposite reaction opponents, who I call Disbelievers.

  1. VP Al Gore was not the first Alarmist, but his public lectures and his Nobel and Oscar-winning movie, An “Inconvenient” Truth, probably did more than anything else to bring Global Warming Alarmism to the fore in the consciousness of the major media and the general population.
  2. The scene depicted above was the highlight of his presentation.
  3. Gore displays the Ice Core record of the past 600,000 years for CO2 (red) and Temperature (blue). He points out the undoubted correlation between the two parameters. When one goes up so does the other. When one goes down, the other does as well. He points out that the then current CO2 level is considerably higher than that of the past 600,000 years, and he projects the future levels of CO2 assuming it continues to rise at current rates. So far, this is all true.
  4. Dramatically ascending high above the stage on his motorized platform, he implies that mean temperatures will rise in proportion to the CO2. (My graphic is annotated in dashed blue to show the implied warming.) If that happens, he warns, more and more of the polar ice will melt, causing the seas to rise and flooding coastal areas. The ground under the polar ice will be exposed, further reducing the albedo of the Surface and causing further warming. We will reach a tipping point with runaway Global Warming.
  5. The villain of Gore’s story is the human race and our habit of burning ever-increasing quantities of fossil fuels (coal, oil, natural gas) that release unprecedented amounts of CO2. This scene, more than any other event, is most likely responsible for the birth of what has come to be known as Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, CAGW. In other words, catastrophe due to human-caused Global Warming. It has become the mantra of the Alarmists and an excuse for governments to regulate all fossil fuels as well as land use that affects albedo. Since all industry and agriculture and civilized life itself depends upon fossil fuels and land use, the Alarmists give suitably oriented politicos an excuse to regulate and tax and restrict virtually everything. We outdoors types will need an indulgence from the government every time we pass wind. And, we can forget about lighting a campfire :^).
  6. But, as the annotations in my graphic above show, there is a fundamental “Inconvenient” truth about the ice core data. It has absolutely nothing to say about the current Global Warming controversy! Gore was misleading the media and the public when he implied that rising CO2 levels would cause corresponding increases in mean temperatures. In particular, as any scientist who took a close look at the ice core data would see, and as I show in the inset graph in the upper left corner, Temperature always rises eight-hundred or more years before CO2 increases. The same is true in the other direction. The Temperature falls eight-hundred or more years prior to CO2 decreases. What this shows, if anything, is that TEMPERATURE CAUSES CO2, or, that something else causes both to change, with CO2 lagging by hundreds of years. Gore got the direction of causation backwards.
  7. When the falsehood of this implied causation was pointed out, Gore’s apologists claimed that it was a minor matter and, after all, despite the 800-year lag, both Temperature and CO2 were up together and down together for about 5/6ths of the record. Besides, they said, we are currently burning historically unprecedented amounts of fossil fuel, and, we know that CO2 is a “greenhouse gas”, and so on and on. But, the truth is still that the ice core record is of a time when there were no humans to burn fossil fuels, so why did Gore bring it up since it has no relationship to our current situation? Raw, unfettered Alarmism has had its effect on the media, the political class, and we common citizens who have to pay the costs of the phony CAGW panic.
  8. In politics, as in physics, every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction. In the Case of CAGW, that opposite (and equally false) reaction is what I call Disbeliever AGW or DAGW. These are people who use pseudo-scientific arguments in their claim that humans have had absolutely no hand in the mean temperature rise of the past century, or that there has been no temperature rise, or that the basic science of the Atmospheric “greenhouse effect” is untrue, and so on. I do not like to be to critical of the DAGW crowd because, when it comes to general political decisions, they are more likely than not to agree with me than my opponents, but my academic integrity and ethical duty as a licensed professional engineer require me to state what I see as the error of their arguments. (As I have in my WUWT Visualizing series [1, 2, 3, 4, 5])
  9. Having dismissed what I regard as the unscientific Alarmists and Disbelievers, that leaves us with three groups that, for the most part, use rational science-base arguments for their diverse views. Of course, every member of each group has somewhat different views, and any attempt to divide them into three distinct types is bound to cross some lines. So, please consider my grouping as approximate.
  10. Carbon sensitivity, which is the estimate of how much mean temperatures will increase if CO2 doubles from historical or current levels, is one way to determine which of the the three groups a person belongs to. The Warmists tend to accept the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) estimate of 2.0ºC to 4.5ºC. The Skeptics tend to set carbon sensitivity much lower, perhaps 0.2ºC to 1ºC. The third group, which I call Lukewarmers, would suggest 1ºC to 3ºC.
  11. How much of the rise in CO2 is attributable to human use of fossil fuels is also estimated differently. Warmists would blame humans for nearly all of it, while Skeptics would say less than half. Similarly, the blame for the supposed 0.8ºC rise in mean temperatures since 1880 is mostly attributed to human activities, while Skeptics say that data bias “adjustments” by the official climate record keepers is responsible for about a third of the supposed warming, and that natural cycles, over which humans have no control, are responsible for about half of it, leaving only 0.1ºC (or maybe up to 0.2ºC) to human responsibility. Lukewarmers are somewhere in-between.
  12. Skeptics have well-justified suspicions that the official climate data keepers were “cooking the books” to lend whatever support they could to the highest estimates of carbon sensitivity. Around the year 2000, US Mean Temperature data was “adjusted” down by 0.1 to 0.2ºC for years prior to the 1970’s, and upwards by 0.2 to 0.3ºC for years after the 1970’s, increasing supposed warming by 0.3 to 0.5ºC.
  13. The surfacestations.org project published photos of official temperature measurement stations that were very near artificial sources of heat, with most being in the lowest two of the five quality levels established by the government. The poor quality stations were compared to nearby well-located stations. There were large temperature deltas that could only be accounted for if the the stations now poorly-located were originally well-located, but had been influenced by nearby development, such as paved parking lots, buildings, and air conditioning vents.
  14. According to a figure in the 1990 IPCC report, 1100 to 1300 AD saw temperatures in the northern hemisphere that were higher than current levels. However, the IPCC 2001 report included the infamous so-called “hockey stick” chart that managed to make the Medieval Warm Period of about 1000 years ago disappear! (My Powerpoint set includes charts with evidence of each of the aforementioned issues.)
  15. These suspicions were not fully confirmed until 2009 when someone (probably an inside whistle-blower) released emails and computer code from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in the UK, and, later that year, a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request yielded a stash from the US NASA-GISS (Goddard Institute for Space Studies).

C. Climategate – UK Climatic Research Unit (CRU) emails and the US NASA GISS FOIA emails. What they tell us about the published Global Warming data.

IPCC 1990 recognized Medieval Warm Period (MWP) temperatures were above current levels. IPCC 2001 used the "Hockey Stick" chart that makes MWP disappear.
  1. I refer to the CRU as the Climategate Research Unit or, more simply, the Fudge Factory because the words “fudge factor” appear in their computer code. Phil Jones, PhD, is the CRU Director. He confirmed suspicions about the infamous “Hockey Stick” graph when, in an email, he called it “Mike’s Nature trick” (because a version of that graph appeared in a paper by Dr. Michael Mann in the prestigious journal Nature ). He also wrote that the “trick” was designed to “hide the decline” in tree ring proxy data. The tree-ring expert associated with CRU, Keith Brifa, PhD, admits, in one of the emails that “the recent warmth was probably matched about 1,000 years ago”. (My Powerpoint set includes slides with direct quotes from the Climategate materials.)
2007 email from Sato to Hansen details seven analyses of 1934 vs 1998. 1934 starts off with a 0.5ºC lead and ends up in a dead heat.
  1. Moving on to the FOIA emails from GISS, it is interesting to note that their HQ, in New York City, happens to be in the same building as the famous restaurant where Jerry Seinfeld dined with George, Kramer, and Elaine. (It was never revealed what Kramer did for a living – perhaps he was the chief analyst at GISS :^)
  2. The most revealing email from GISS is reproduced above. It was from Makiko Sato, PhD to her Boss, GISS-Director James Hansen, PhD, detailing the seven different analyses and comparisons of US mean temperatures for 1934 and 1998. The later year was the hottest in the 1990’s, so it was, let us say “inconvenient” that 1934, according to data published by GISS in 1999, was over 0.5ºC warmer. If Global Warming was almost entirely due to recent human activities, and was accelerating, how could the 1930 have been warmer?
  3. Just as the Hockey Stick made the Medieval Warm Period disappear, GISS tried mightily to make 1934 cooler than 1998, but only succeeded in reducing the 0.5ºC lead into a dead heat. Notice that the 0.5ºC “adjustment” is more than half the supposed total warming since 1880.
  4. I would like to trust the work of taxpayer-supported science, but, it seems, we must rely on President Reagan’s advice regarding the old Soviet Union, “Trust, but verify!”

D. What We Can and Should Do – Energy policy (cap and trade scam vs carbon tax). Efficiency, conservation, “green“, and renewable sources.

  1. I am quite sure that Global Warming is REAL (i.e. the mean temperature of the Surface has increased by 0.5 to 0.6ºC since 1880) but, most of that increase is due to Natural Cycles over which we humans have no control.
  2. However, the warming is PARTLY Due to Rising CO2 Levels and human actions are PART of the Cause.
  3. There is not and never has been any real danger of catastrophe or even of serious net detriment to human life due to increased CO2 levels. Indeed, modest increases in these parameters are most likely a net benefit.
  4. However, we Skeptics have to be realistic in the current political climate. Like it or not (and I do not like it) the official climate “Team” (i.e., the “Hockey Team” :^) has convinced the political and media establishment, and much of the population that something has to be done. We cannot fight something with nothing, so we need something more than a passive policy of do nothing because nothing is necessary.
  5. Therefore, I favor reduction of the carbon footprint by efficiency, conservation, recycling, and so on, plus the introduction, if and when economically practical of so-called “Green” energy, including Nuclear, Water, Wind, Biomass and, particularly, “Clean” Coal.
  6. If nothing else, these will do minimum harm and, if successful, will reduce US dependence upon foreign oil. We have spent, and continue to sacrifice too much blood and treasure protecting our access, and that of our allies, to energy from unstable regions of the world.
  7. As for the Cap and Trade scam, it is a Politician’s Delight that rewards powerful Interests, wrecks the economy, and will NOT significantly reduce carbon emissions. It seems to me that some countries and US states that have adopted Cap and Trade have realized their folly and are backing away from it.
  8. You may be surprised that I favor some version of a straight Carbon Tax, collected at the mine, well, and port, with the proceeds returned on an equal basis to citizens and legal residents. Yes, James Hansen and (pardon the expression Ralph Nader) also favor it, but, so do conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer, the Wall Street Journal, and others on the right. My support for this tax is based on what I wrote above, “We cannot fight something with nothing” and “We have spent, and continue to sacrifice too much blood and treasure protecting our access, and that of our allies, to energy from unstable regions of the world.”

I’m interested in your critique and comments. (My Powerpoint presentation is available [click here] for you to use and adapt as you wish..)

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izen
May 31, 2011 11:12 pm

@- Theo Goodwin says:
May 31, 2011 at 8:19 pm
“Since talk of Positive Feedbacks flows so easily from your lips, do you happen to have a description of one? Not a theoretical fantasy of one, but an actual description that has been validated in the normal scientific way?”
Positive feedbacks are certainly NOT just a conceptual exercise, they are a frequent aspect of biological systems, here are a few examples culled from the top of a list…
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21595927
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21604764
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21618217
But there is a familiar example of positive feedback that most people would recognise from their common experience. When people gain weight they become less physically active and require fewer calories so that a constant intake results in more weight gain. At the same time the increased mass of fat cells is more efficient at storing the calorie intake so there is another positive feedback making it ‘easier’ to gain weight when obesity is already established.
Given the level of problem morbid obesity has become in the US and UK this positive feedback amplifying weight gain should be easily recognized.
The most obvious positive feedback in climate is the way that a warmer climate reduces snow and ice cover which increases the amount of solar energy absorbed by the surface as the albedo changes – causing more warming….

Gary Mount
May 31, 2011 11:34 pm

_Jim says:
May 31, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Gary Mount says on May 31, 2011 at 4:50 pm :

Don’t be too quick to dismiss the benifits of “Ethanol”. It helps keep conventional, non electric cars on the road and in high production rather than increasing the manufacture and use of electric cars. We can always go back to pure gas after the warming that was supposed to take place due to “global warming” doesn’t occur.

Do you see any problems with our importing any amount of ethanol?
(Aside from cries from the farm/ag lobby?)
“Currently, imported ethanol is subjected to a 2.5 percent ad valorem tax and an additional 54 cents a gallon surcharge …” (Ref 1)
I don’t know anything about the American ethanol situation as I am a Canadian, and we are trying to spend billions of dollars to build a series of tubes… (or is that the Internet?) …pipelines so that we can export even more of our excess oil and gas, and we don’t really need to have enforced ethanol levels in our gas.
I am not advocating Ethenol, rather I abhor the thought of governments forcing this additive upon the general public, under the guise of that weasel word “sustainability”, meaning top down regulations designed to replace the free market system, I am comparing it to the alternative of destroying three trillion dollars worth of infrastructure in the United States and replacing it with hydrogen fill stations and electric charging stations, as well of destroying trillions of dollars worth of personal private cars that can’t run off of electricity or hydrogen.

Galane
June 1, 2011 12:16 am

The last thing we need is another tax. “…with the proceeds returned on an equal basis to citizens and legal residents.” That’s leftist style “spread the wealth around”, which will only serve to drive up the price of everything. The cost of energy and the cost of labor are the bottom two rungs on the ladder of the economy. Raise the cost of either, or both, and it causes not just a “trickle up” it creates a cascade upwards of increased costs at every stage of production from harvesting the raw materials through to the finished goods. Labor and energy have a feedback loop where each drives the cost of the other. Increase the cost of energy and labor wants to be paid more so they can afford the higher priced energy. Increase the cost of labor and energy costs more to produce. Much of the cost of things comes from the cost of of transport, which goes up as the cost of energy and labor increases.
People, including Ira Glickstein, should know this bit of elementary economics. Anyone advocating such a tax on energy only proves how clueless they are about economics. It’s impossible to twiddle and tweak one part of the economy without causing “splash damage” somewhere else. Shoving a tax stick into the spokes of energy prices can have no effect other than increasing the cost of 100% of everything, which naturally leads directly to demands for higher wages.

Ammonite
June 1, 2011 12:47 am

Jamie Cawley says: May 31, 2011 at 4:16 am and Ira Glickstein PhD sees merit in the list:
** some obvious responses…
1. It is agreed by all main sources that temperatures rose less then 1C during the 20th century, much the same as they rose over the 19th. This is a very small rise and drastically less then has occurred even in the recent past i.e the 10C rise in temperatures over 50 year shown by Greenland ice deposits 11,000 years ago.
** it is misleading to compare a 1C global rise with a 10C Greenland rise
2. Temperatures have not risen this decade despite the continuing rise in CO2.
** a difficult assertion given NASA GISS rates 2010 as equal first in the instrumental record…
3. Water vapour accounts for c.85% of the green house affect and varies we don’t know how.
** Water vapour content rises with increasing temperature
4. We cannot (yet) forecast future weather long-term or even over more than 4 weeks (as deviation from annual average for the period). Any longer forecasts are scientifically invalid or, more prosaically, guesses.
** having confidence average global temperature will rise is consistent with the inability to say exactly how it will be distributed
5. Were CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere to double, temperatures would (all else being equal) rise by around 1C. Any additional rise is posited on a runaway feedback effect on water vapour concentrations for which there is no evidence at all. CO2 has risen by around one third from man’s activity so far.
** Positive feedback does not imply runaway. This is a strawman.

Spector
June 1, 2011 12:49 am

RE: _Jim: (May 31, 2011 at 8:09 pm)
“Attention those still having doubts about ‘surface radiation’ directly into space (as the primary means of cooling the surface of the earth)”
In my case, I was referring to convected heat. That energy must go somewhere. On condensation, the heat of vaporization is shared with the surrounding components of the upper atmosphere. The CO2 radiation-absorption bands are saturated all the way up to the mesosphere. Thus heat escaping by this pathway must go through many emission-absorption cycles before it finally gets out.
For water vapor the situation is more complex. As water wants to be solid or liquid in the atmosphere, it must be going through a continual process of collision-caused molecular aggregation and separation, especially in a rising air column. As each clump of water molecules has its own unique set of emission and radiation wavelengths, their emissions from the top of a rising column of otherwise clear air must have a unique opportunity to escape into outer space.
It may be no accident that the typical temperature of the tropopause is typically the same -55 degrees C that you mention in your reference. Be aware that the convection temperature of the surface and the temperature of the tropopause are linked by the adiabatic lapse rate. If the temperature at that altitude were 10 degrees warmer, cloud-forming general convection would not start until the surface was also 10 degrees warmer.

Larry R Milwardski
June 1, 2011 1:37 am

Dr Glickstein
Two (I home significant) comments:
1. You have forgotten to include the whole issue of feedback, without which your arguments carry little force.
2. You give in to the Warmists much too easily, thereby loading the world’s taxpayers with completely unnecessary and non-affordable costs.
Sorry, but your comments have missed their target.
Regards

Mark.R
June 1, 2011 2:11 am

So then if we put the right amount of C02 into the atmosphere we wont need the sun to keep us warm.
The c02 alone cant warm us.

izen
June 1, 2011 3:20 am

@-Mark.R says:
June 1, 2011 at 2:11 am
“So then if we put the right amount of C02 into the atmosphere we wont need the sun to keep us warm.”
I presume this comment is intended to be fatuous.
“The c02 alone cant warm us.”
No, like a coat it can only slow the rate of cooling from a body.

Spector
June 1, 2011 3:48 am

When comparing the greenhouse effectiveness of water vapor and CO2 remember that it is the overall absorption bandwidth that counts. If CO2 is like a scarf then water vapor is like a shirt. Both are saturated at ground level. That means that you get a progressively diminishing increase in thermal insulation as you add more because most of the effect of adding more is masked by what is already there. It is like repeatedly painting a four-inch wide black stripe over the exact same place on your window. The stripe just gets a little wider each time it is painted.

Brian H
June 1, 2011 4:06 am

Ira;
Using the CT as a way to fend off C&T is wasted effort. As soon as the market gets access to the pricing for offsets, they head for zero, or whatever artificial floor the gubmint sets. I.e., the market wants nothing to do with them, and the pols are left carrying 100% of the cans. Meanwhile, giga-scams proliferate. (They’re 1000X worse than mega-scams.)
You get less of what you tax, and CT and C&T are thinly disguised taxes on energy production. For the hundreds of millions, or more, on the thin edge of survival, that’s a death warrant. For industrial society, a metabolic poison.
Neither-nor, thank’ee very much.

Matt G
June 1, 2011 4:16 am

Myrrh says:
May 31, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Thermal IR is not the only thermal source, this your mistake of misunderstanding. Thermal IR is emitting from the hotter source, it is the effect not the cause. The ocean surface is warmer than the air above it because this is emitted energy. Where is the thermal IR in a star, based on this idea the emttied energy from a star is keeping the center hotter. A cup and a large bowl of water warms well during the day in the sun. This includes the whole volume increasing many degrees centrigrade. How does thermal IR warm a volume of water significantly during one day? A human body is emitting thermal IR, not the thermal IR that is keeping the human body at 37c. A fire is emitting thremal IR, again not his keeping the fire at several hundred degrees centrigrade.

June 1, 2011 4:46 am

Ammonite says:
“Positive feedback does not imply runaway.”
Actually, it does. A dynamite explosion is an example of runaway positive feedback. OTOH, if you’re saying that runaway global warming is a fiction, then there’s really nothing to worry about, is there? A good engineer can provide solutions to any minor temperature changes.
And Ira, thanx for handily refuting John B @9:12 pm above. The guy’s On/Off switch is shorted, and he can’t be turned off. But others, including me, are educated by your detailed response.

June 1, 2011 4:48 am

Ira Glickstein, PhD says:
May 31, 2011 at 9:12 pm

THANKS John B and here is what I think of the items in your list:
1. Human CO2 emissions have caused CO2 build up in the atmosphere yes, absent human activities CO2 levels would be perhaps 50 ppmv lower
2. CO2 is a greenhouse gas yes, but H2O has more of an effect
3. Human emitted CO2 has a significant added greenhouse effect over natural effects yes, if you consider 0.1ºC or 0.2ºC significant compared to the supposed 0.8ºC rise
4. Recent warming has been measured yes, but at least a third, and perhaps half of the supposed 0.8ºC rise is due to data bias “cooking the books” as evidenced by the UK Climategate and US FOIA emails
5. This warming is unprecedented Absolutely NOT. According to historical records, it was warmer 1000 years ago, even according to CRU Deputy Director Keith Briffa
6. It can be attributed to human emitted CO2 Absolutely NOT. Only 0.1ºC or 0.2ºC of the warming is due to human activities.
7. The warming will get worse due to positive feedbacks Absolutely NOT. Even if natural cycles ceased altogether -which is impossible- and human CO2 continued to rise -which is likely- the cloud feedbacks are mostly negative, so net warming will continue to be small, perhaps another 1ºC over the coming decades.
8. We are fairly confident on the sign and magnitude of those feedbacks Absolutely NOT, and any estimates we have will likely be overwhelmed by the effects of natural cycles, over which we humans have no control.
9. The effects of the continued warming will be bad Absolutely NOT. Modest increases in temperature and CO2 are most likely to have net benefits for human civilization.
10. There are things we can do about to mitigate the continued warming Technically very little we can do, even if a benevolent dictator was in charge of the whole world. In practical real politic terms, there is nothing we can do to mitigate the warming, except wreck our economies, and even that will not accomplish much, And, we may see cooling due to natural cycles, and come to be thankful for the modest warming of the past century.
11. The effects of those things will be good What “things”? If you mean the modest warming and CO2 rising, yes, that is and will probably be good. If you mean drastic government programs to “mitigate” anything, then the results will most likely be bad, very bad indeed!

(Bolding lost in “cut & paste”)
Then *say* those things very clearly and very succinctly. Leave no doubt in your audience’s minds.
Leave out the “Carbon Tax” part entirely since it has nothing to do with the “CAGW” discussion and would be better left for another time and place if it is even worth pursuing. It is part of a political/environmental discussion, not a scientific discussion about “CAGW”.
IMHO

amabo
June 1, 2011 5:09 am

Ira Glickstein, PhD says:
May 31, 2011 at 8:37 pm
This is a pretty compelling line of reasoning, however I still feel that the nature trick refers to ‘fixing’ the graph where we know for sure that something is ‘wrong’ with the proxies since we have a derived global temperature that disagrees with them, whereas the MWP is a question of which proxies or other more anecdotal evidence to use.
So in once case we’ve got values that clearly don’t match with eachother but it gets swept under the carpet, whereas in the other case everyone is throwing a bunch of proxies at the wall and checking if the resulting squiggles matches their preferred narrative.

Theo Goodwin
June 1, 2011 5:22 am

izen says:
May 31, 2011 at 11:12 pm
I specifically said “not your fantasy of a positive feedback.” You offered examples of positive feedbacks from outside the field of climate science. So your response is truly fantastic. I regret that I can no longer take your posts seriously.

Pamela Gray
June 1, 2011 5:53 am

It just may be my Irish ways, but I don’t like to use somebody else’s talking points. No matter which side they are on. Nope. Don’t like talking points, talking strategy, or any other name it comes under.
I prefer to use my own well-read understanding and be always cognizant of that old saying, better to remain a silent fool then to open your mouth and prove it. Both AGW’ers and natural global warmers fail to remember that saying rather often and spout off all kinds of ridiculous statements about cause.
If you find yourself memorizing/using somebody else’s talking points, the wiser person would keep quiet.

A G Foster
June 1, 2011 6:37 am

To Jim at 8:09: Thankyou, thankyou. I’ll have to try that experiment. The first time I heard about “deep space radiation” it was told as an explanation for cold metal at night and I laughed at it–high density and conductivity makes it FEEL cold. But eventually I went and bought a cheap thermometer gun and went around measuring surfaces. One morning all the cars in the parking lot at work had frost on one side and not the other. Looking up at the sky I saw that half was clear and half was cloudy. Now I’m a believer. –AGF

Ammonite
June 1, 2011 6:40 am

Smokey says: June 1, 2011 at 4:46 am
Ammonite says: “Positive feedback does not imply runaway.”
Smokey says: “Actually it does…”
Smokey, it doesn’t. Some positive feedback systems exhibit runaway. Some do not. The oceans are not going to boil any time soon.
“OTOH, if you’re saying that runaway global warming is a fiction, then there’s really nothing to worry about, is there?”
More glib semantics… Please allow for possibilities between “everything is wonderful” and “we’re all dead”. Not all of them are guaranteed to be pleasant.

Darren Potter
June 1, 2011 6:55 am

>> Ira Glickstein = “Skeptics have well-justified suspicions that the official climate data keepers were “cooking the books” to lend whatever support they could to the highest estimates of carbon sensitivity. Around the year 2000,…”
You left out two other aspects of the cooked books.
The (non)keepers of the Weather Station temperature data started reducing the number of Weather Stations temperature readings being record. Near 1970 there were ~9,400 Weather Stations being recorded, with a decline down to ~2,920 Weather Stations in 1994, and by 2006 the number had dropped to ~2,530. The number of Weather Stations dropped to ~1,490 in 2007 and by 2009 the number was further reduced to approximately 1,600.
The (non)keepers of the Weather Station temperature data also failed to enter temperature data for one or more months for some of the aforementioned Weather Stations, which resulted in less Weather Stations with full years of data for analysis. Their failing to enter the data resulted in only ~970 Weather Stations with full records for 2006, ~750 entries for 2008, and approximately 600 Weather Stations with full data for 2009.
The last part of the story is the (non)keepers of the Weather Station temperature data, conveniently failed to enter data less frequently for Weather Stations located in colder areas (closer to the poles or locations at higher altitudes). While conveniently managing to more frequently enter data for Weather Stations in warmer areas.
Summary: The Weather Station temperature data we have now is practically worthless due to inaccuracies as pointed out by the audit of Weather Stations (surfacestations.org project), and the lemon-picking of Weather Station temperature data to be kept by the so-called “official climate data keepers” that resulted in further warming bias of Global temperatures.

Dave Springer
June 1, 2011 7:38 am

@Ira
Your articles consistently produce a hellacious number of comments!
This is as it should be for a science blog when the subject matter is physics because physics ultimately explains everything else. Biology is explained by chemistry and chemistry is explained by physics. At that point we arrive at philosophy and more specifically what if anything explains physics. Theologians say God explains physics. Theoretical physicists are at a loss at this point for an explanation with the current best answer being the so-called multiverse hypothesis which states that there are an infinite or near-infinite number of universes wherein each has a different set of underlying physical laws and constants. The so-called “fine tuning problem” is widely acknowledged and boils down to there being no theory which predicts the laws of physics. Fundamental laws and constants could have taken on any values whatsoever and the slightest deviation (out to dozens of decimal points) from the fundamentals we observe today would have rendered our universe incapable of forming galaxies, stars, planets, life, and even matter itself. The most vexing is called the “cosmological constant” which Einstein had initially put into his theory of general relativity but then decided it wasn’t necessary and zeroed it out. He called its inclusion the biggest mistake of his life. Well sirs, as it turned out long after his death, experimental precision advanced to a degree that measurement of the cosmological constant became possible. It’s close to zero. In fact so close that it has 100 zeroes to the right of the decimal point and appears to be what is responsible for the recent discovery that the rate of expansion of the universe is accelerating. If the cosmological constant varied in the slightest degree we’d have a universe that either flew apart so fast that matter could not have clumped into stars and galaxies or that collapsed in on itself due to gravity before stars and galaxies could have formed. And that’s just the most notable of the fine tuning problems. There are very many others such as the ratio of the mass of protons and electrons which if different by any small amount would preclude the formation of atoms. The unanswered questions in physics are broad and deep. We really only have a good handle on physics as it applies to our everyday lives and as you go further into the fringes of the cosmically large and infinitesimally small spatial and temporal domains the surprising differences between predictions of theoretical physics and observations from experimental physics just keep on rolling.

Dave Springer
June 1, 2011 7:51 am

Sal Minella says:
May 31, 2011 at 7:06 am
“I would like to point out that walking and biking do not reduce the amount of carbon dioxide produced by humans or the amount of fuel consumed by humans. The energy expended in these activities must be replaced with an increased consumption of organic materials (food). ”
Actually that’s mostly wrong. Walking and especially biking are far more energy efficient than automotive transport. However, in the most efficient hybrid vehicles, it’s actually more energy efficient per kilometer for four average size men to ride in the vehicle than to run the same distance. Running consumes a lot more energy per distance travelled than walking or cycling. See May 2011 issue of SciAm: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=when-cars-are-greener-than-people

izen
June 1, 2011 7:59 am

@- Ira Glickstein, PhD says:
May 31, 2011 at 9:12 pm
“1. Human CO2 emissions have caused CO2 build up in the atmosphere // yes, absent human activities CO2 levels would be perhaps 50 ppmv lower ”
Where on Earth do you think the other ~40ppm has come from?!
“2. CO2 is a greenhouse gas // yes, but H2O has more of an effect”
The effects are cumulative/additive, not either/or. And as the air temperature approaches 0degC the water content drops so that CO2 IS the dominant GHG.
“4. Recent warming has been measured yes,// but at least a third, and perhaps half of the supposed 0.8ºC rise is due to data bias “cooking the books” as evidenced by the UK Climategate and US FOIA emails”
No amount of Climategate cooking has warmed the sea surface or increased sea level by amounts comensurate with the 0.8degC warming measured from land surface instruments. The ~0.8 degC is also supported by the borehole, sediment and ice-mass data.
“6. It can be attributed to human emitted CO2 // Absolutely NOT. Only 0.1ºC or 0.2ºC of the warming is due to human activities.”
Could you reveal the source of your ‘absolute’ certainty that only 0.1/0.2 can be attributed to human emitted CO2. What are the ‘error bars’ on this statement?
“9. The effects of the continued warming will be bad // Absolutely NOT. Modest increases in temperature and CO2 are most likely to have net benefits for human civilization.”
Warming may have been a benefit for the Greenland Vikings and possibly for the Tehuaco in Chile, but in Europe it brought Plague and stagnation. It wasn’t until the LIA that the Industrial revolution and modern society got established.

June 1, 2011 8:11 am

Spector says on June 1, 2011 at 12:49 am:

The CO2 radiation-absorption bands are saturated all the way up to the mesosphere. Thus heat escaping by this pathway must go through many emission-absorption cycles before it finally gets out.

Familiar with Scattering Matrix Parameters (S-parameters or s-params to the uWave RF types on the board)?
Rather than focus on the individual electrons (or even the complex (-j) quantities E and I in a circuit) the use of S-Parameters allows the easy description of such facets of circuit operation as insertion (or transmission) loss (or gain, as S21), return (reflection) loss (as S11) , reflection coefficient (among others).
Per wiki: “The term ‘scattering’ is more common to optical engineering than RF engineering, referring to the effect observed when a plane electromagnetic wave is incident on an obstruction or passes across dissimilar dielectric media. In the context of S-parameters, scattering refers to the way in which the traveling currents and voltages in a transmission line are affected when they meet a discontinuity caused by the insertion of a [resonant or tuned/frequency selective] network into the transmission line [or medium]. ”
Through the use of S-parameters, the gross forward energy and back-scattered energy (across a particular spectrum) can be expressed without getting bogged down in intricacies of individual particle, molecule or atom (or electron) action thermodynamically (and invoking laws of thermodynamics that fall apart when dealing with radiative energy/EM energy exchange involving gases).
Considering the diatomic and dipole nature of water IR spectroscopy may be performed to ascertain its ‘scattering’ performance (S21 or transmission property and S11 or reflection property to short incident EM wavelengths) of an LWIR source (such as the surface of the earth) as that spectrum is modified owing to the various vibrational modes of WV that work to create various blocked portions of the EM spectrum (IR spectrum) through a parcel of air (an atmospheric path). Those blocked portions of the IR spectrum are there because of the electronic dipole nature of the gaseous molecules of H2O.
CO2, while not possessing an intrinsic electric dipole, nonetheless has certain responses to IR radiation owing to physical properties, and inter-element properties (the O-C-O structure) defining the ‘resonance’ and absorption of that gas molecule : “Molecular responses to radiation”
‘Back-scatter’ then is the “S11” (refelection) property each of these molecules as IR/EM energy is first coupled into a molecule, then later re-radiated away.
Adding GHGs to an atmosphere then has the effect of raising the amount of IR flux energy ‘in play’ as 1) insolation warms the earth and 2) later LWIR energy is radiated energy away from the earth, with GHG molecules acting to intercept certain percentage of EM wavelengths, in ‘windows’, and reflecting that small amount of LWIR back to earth … where eventually it is radiated away from the earth’s surface once again … again, the affect being to increase slightly the amount of IR flux ‘in play’ in the atmosphere (between TOA and earth surface).

For water vapor the situation is more complex. As water wants to be solid or liquid in the atmosphere, it must be going through a continual process of collision-caused molecular aggregation and separation, especially in a rising air column. As each clump of water molecules has its own unique set of emission and radiation wavelengths, their emissions from the top of a rising column of otherwise clear air must have a unique opportunity to escape into outer space.

Now enters the ‘phase change’ of the molecule H2O; energy transfers occur as each phase change takes place, exchanging the ‘heat’ content with other materials or air molecules in the vicinity (or perhaps some direct radiation as well.)

It may be no accident that the typical temperature of the tropopause is typically the same -55 degrees C that you mention in your reference. Be aware that the convection temperature of the surface and the temperature of the tropopause are linked by the adiabatic lapse rate. If the temperature at that altitude were 10 degrees warmer, cloud-forming general convection would not start until the surface was also 10 degrees warmer.

And that effective -55 deg C (as seen at ground level looking up) I think rises on those nights when the atmosphere contains a bit more WV (as the otherwise unplugged holes in the IR spectrum are plugged as WV increases) … those nights with higher humidity do not cool (radiatively) as rapidly as nights which are ‘dry’ (lower atmospheric humidity).
On the ‘adiabatic lapse rate’; an observed, physical property of a theoretical air parcel under consideration, but which does not yield to an observer the specifics of the atmosphere in his or her particular part of the world at that particular time; useful for explaining the physics of atmospheric dynamics (what happens if that parcel of air is ingested into a T-storm for instance) .
Regards, _Jim
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