Dr. Ball at left, Dr. Mann at right
This is a scheduled auto-post done from my hotel WiFi last night.
This below sent to me by John O. Sullivan on behalf of Dr. Tim Ball. Like with the Sydney rally I posted on earlier, I have no dog in the fight. I’m just passing this on for interested readers with this comment: While the allegedly libelous phrase at issue is not repeated here, I find it amazing and ironic that Dr. Michael Mann is making the effort to sue about it.
Due to the extra attention Dr. Mann has attracted with the lawsuit, the exposure of the phrase is now far and above what it was when originally posted on the Canadian website. I didn’t even know of it until the lawsuit was announced. I’ve had far worse things said about me in this climate debate turned ugly, and the best legal advice I’ve seen given to public figures in the news business is that they generally are not successful when suing for alleged slander/libel, especially for something that is a critical opinion piece with what appears to be a satirical joke line. Criticism and satire in an opinion piece are generally hard to challenge legally in the USA, though it is different in Canada. In Canada, the law is broader. Even so, I don’t think Dr. Mann or his attorney are going to be prepared for the demands of discovery on this one, nor do I think he will prevail in his lawsuit, based on similar failed actions I’ve seen against anchors and reporters in the TV news business when challenged by a public figure. Whether Dr. Mann realizes it or not, he is probably the most well known public figure in climate science next to Al Gore and Dr. James Hansen.
But, buy popcorn, and if so inclined, there’s a link to help out Dr. Ball.
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Top Climate Skeptic Seeks Help in Double-barrel Courtroom Shootout
By John O. Sullivan
Esteemed climate scientist, Tim Ball faces two costly courtroom libel battles. Here he reveals his concerns and appeals for help with his legal fees.
Dr. Tim Ball is widely recognized as one of Canada’s first qualified climate scientists and has long been one of the most prominent skeptics taking a stand on corruption and unethical practices. Two exponents of the global warming scare Ball has targeted, professors Michael Mann and Andrew Weaver, are now suing him for libel.
Many suspect the David Suzuki Foundation is funding Vancouver libel specialist, Roger D. McConchie who is representing both Weaver and Mann against Ball. Suzuki is reported as wanting skeptics like Ball “put in prison.”
Savvy skeptics suspect that Ball, a 72-year-old pensioner, was singled out as a target because he has no big corporate backers and will capitulate under the emotional and financial strain before the case even gets to trial as his legal fees spiral. Such a fate befell Ball in a prior libel suit in 2006.
But buoyed by the public sympathy Ball is now gaining he is confident an appeal for donors will make all the difference. He is adamant that this is the perfect opportunity skeptics have been waiting for to expose climate change fraud in a court of law and he won’t be bounced out of this most crucial contest.
Below Dr. Ball (TB) speaks frankly to John O’Sullivan (JOS).
INTERVIEW
JOS: Now that you’ve been hit with two very expensive libel suits in quick succession rumors are mounting that well-funded environmentalists are now intent on using the law to kill off free speech in the climate debate. Would you agree with this assessment?
TB: I am not aware of specific evidence of such a campaign or the financing. The practice of bringing lawsuits has been going on for some time but it was spasmodic. More recently, that is over the last year or so, it has increased, particularly with the charges by Weaver through McConchie against the National Post. One change was the addition of important people to the Suzuki Board back in 2009, such as John Lefebvre, but also included Westport Innovation CEO Elaine Wong, that brought additional money as Chris Horner pointed out. Another addition to the Board was equally disturbing, not because of the money but because of the compromise of integrity. George Stroumboulopolos is the host of a weekly program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC).
Other increased activities centered on publication of Hoggan and Littlemore’s book Climate Cover Up. This book includes attacks on specific people including me. It makes the usual list of false charges including that I am paid by the oil companies. Then there was Weaver’s book Keeping Our Cool: Canada in a warming World, with a cover note by Suzuki that says, A gripping narrative, this should be the final alarm.
JOS: Desmogblog, funded by the Suzuki Foundation, has been ‘showcasing’ such legal attacks on scientists like you. Do you fear this new trend towards litigation is the inevitable course for the climate debate, and if so do you see any positive outcome for science?
TB: As noted above this is not new litigation but the intensity has increased. As you also know, people like Fred Singer received such threats a few years ago like me. I have mixed feelings about the activities. Personally it is intimidating because of the costs involved if nothing else. Legally it is a threat to free speech and, in my opinion, a misuse of the law to silence open debate. What has been interesting is the cultural reaction to the legal challenges. Americans immediately recognize it as a threat to free speech, while Canadians are slower to acknowledge that threat. In the long term I think exposure of these tactics, particularly in the context that they are losing the scientific debate will backfire. It will be seen for what it is a use of the law as a form of ad hominem attacks.
I am also concerned that the credibility of science in general is in jeopardy because too many scientists, including Suzuki, Weaver, Mann and others have been involved directly or indirectly in the process.
JOS: You obtained your doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College way back in 1983 before much of the hype began about global warming. Yet your critics deride you as a “shill for ‘Big Oil”’ paid to ‘attack’ Weaver, Mann and the IPCC. Is that true?
TB: This is absolutely false. Here is the story. Several years ago a group of professional people in Alberta, including engineers, hydrologists, geologists were very angry about the bad science involved in climate research a particularly through the IPCC and the Kyoto Protocol. We met at Calgary Airport and out of that came the group Friends of Science (FOS). Their problem was they were based in Calgary, Alberta, the Canadian centre of the oil industry. Also some of them, because of their expertise had worked in the oil patch. I warned them to focus solely on the science and to make sure all funding was at arms length. They did both, with funding being handled through the University of Calgary. I acted as an adviser and contributed articles as well as spoke a couple of times at their AGMs.
David Anderson, The Minister of Natural resources said that all Canadian climate experts had been consulted on the Kyoto Protocol. Eight of us, all climate experts traveled to Ottawa and held a press conference to say we had not been consulted. The Minister counteracted us by announcing that he would release the governments Kyoto policy in the house at the same time as the press conference. This was amazing since no previous mention was made despite questions by the media. His move had the effect of drawing away virtually all media attention.
I received $800 for travel and expenses and incorrectly thought FOS paid it. Subsequently it turned out that it was paid by APCO a PR company. Then it was disclosed that FOS had received a donation of, as I recall $12,000 from an energy company. It was I understand about 7% of their total donations, the rest was from private citizens. Very quickly my belief that I was paid by FOS was converted to the charge that I was therefore in the pay of FOS who were in the pay of the oil companies. The fact that $800 was about 6% of the $12,000 was of no consequence. The issue, as it appears with everything they do is to take something and distort ti or use it out of context knowing that once it is out there is not pulling it back. Hoggan’s skills as PR expert are manifest. It is also why I find it amusing that the very property of the Internet they exploit is being attacked by McConchie in his charges against the National Post on behalf of Weaver and his demand that I contact web sites that have repeated my article. The futility of that exercise was that most were not interested and also some of the sites they listed indicated they had merely Googled keywords and came up with completely inappropriate places like a tennis site apparently because my name is ball.
JOS: If Weaver and Mann have been given a ‘blank check’ to use expensive lawyers against you are you and your attorney confident you can win, and if so why?
TB: I am confident that if it comes down to a science debate I can carry the day. I am encouraged in this because to date all have consistently refused or avoided debate. I base this claim on the almost five year challenge the cross-Canada Roy Green radio show has held out for someone to debate, with no takers. My lawyer’s main concern is whether I can afford the defense. The problem is I have no choice because if I don’t respond or say I was completely at fault they would pursue damages for defamation and all costs.
I am also confident that my lawyer says that all charges of defamation are unfounded and the only error was the incorrect claim that Weaver had resigned from the IPCC. I believe it was an honest mistake because the information was provided in the article with citations. We have acknowledged and pre-emptively apologized for this error.
JOS: Who is paying your legal bills?
TB: I am. I have paid out about $10,000 so far and am rapidly depleting my savings, these are meager because the only research funding I received during my career was from the National Museum of Canada. This occurred primarily because my research of reconstructing past climate records was deemed historical climatology. At that time it did not fit the very definitive line between Arts and Science research. The museum understood the problem.
JOS: I’ve heard you’ve started your new blog and you’ll be selling climate science pamphlets to help raise donations to pay your legal fees. Is this true?
TB: Yes. I had worked through other blogs and web pages to date, but disappointments, including being fired from a magazine that I wrote a column for monthly for 17 years led me to go it alone. The firing was just one of many instances where I know from direct reports that it was due to pressure on management because of my skeptical views. The blog allows me control and the opportunity to point out what is wrong with many of the stories appearing in the media. I am planning a series of booklets of about 80 to 100 page in length that provide explanations of major issues in the debate. The idea is that they are short, will fit in a pocket, and deal with one issue at a time. Since they will appear as a series people will be able to have in hand the answers to major issues in the debate in language that non-scientists can understand. I hope to sell these booklets through the web site and use the money to offset the legal costs. Meanwhile we continue to survive on pensions (wife and mine) and small amounts made from public presentations.
JOS: You have recently been working to expose the vast discrepancies between what the IPCC science reports say and what is in the IPCC Summary for Policymakers. Is this an important area of attack for skeptics?
TB: Yes. The science report itemizes all the problems including limitations of data, lack of understanding of mechanisms compounded in the inadequacies of the computer models. The public perception is that the IPCC science is solid and certain that human CO2 is causing global warming and climate change. The difference between the public perception and what the Science report attest is deliberately achieved by the structure of the IPCC system that has a Summary for Policymakers released before the Science report is available. It is understandable that the Mainstream Media and the public are unaware of the differences but it is not credible that the scientists involved are unaware. Their silence is deafening.
JOS: What else has really struck a chord with you in the Great Global Warming Debate?
TB: People find it hard to believe that the entire world could be so easily misled by so few people. They, particularly Maurice Strong, established control of all government weather agencies by co-opting the World Meteorological Organization. This gave them control of data collection and archives within each nation then its global dissemination. Each national weather agency controlled politicians and funding of research. They directed funding to one side of the science debate thus allowing later the circular arguments that claims that most scientists and most publications prove the science. The national agencies also determined who served on the IPCC thus providing complete control. The group of scientists who controlled the entire process became so small that Professor Wegman was able to name names in his report to the US Congress. As he demonstrated, they controlled the peer-review process thus allowing them to further control the publication process.
JOS: What has been toughest part of your skeptic’s journey so far?
TB: It is very difficult, especially when you have paid such a high price financially, emotionally, and in people’s public and personal views. It is not easy when your children, wife and friends hear a radio person say, “Oh, Tim Ball, he is that nut job paid by the oil companies that doesn’t believe in climate change.” It is not easy when people tell you that you are a fool for not using your knowledge and abilities to go with the flow and make a lot of money. As someone said after Climategate it must be nice to be vindicated. I replied there is no pleasure in I told you so. It is not easy when you are very aware of the sacrifices your family has been subjected to because you are determined to demand proof and the truth. As Voltaire said, It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong.
Thank you, Dr. Ball and good luck with the fund raising for both your cases.
Visit Dr. Ball’s site ‘A Different Perspective’ where you can read more of Tim’s expert insight and donate to his legal fund that is being handled independently by the Frontier Centre and Tim’s attorney (‘Donate’ button is in top right corner of Tim’s page).
Note: Donors will be issued with a tax receipt on request.

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I got a warm glow out of paypalling $100CAD to Dr Ball.
Let battle commence.
I wonder if there are tax implications for Mann if he is indeed receiving funding for his lawyer?
Mark
I tend to agree. The warmers have said far far far worse than what Dr Ball said. If Ball fell on his sword here, or better yet, counter-sued (can you counter sue in Canada?) all the calls for the lives/heads/voices of skeptics, this could go very badly for Mr Mann.
Donation sent.
We really cannot allow people like Mann to silence reasonable criticism via the Law and friends with deep pockets.
Peter@7:48:
What do you mean when you write that this posting is a week too late?
Bigcitylib seems to imply that the material that Tim ball has published is libellous.
“Note that Mr. Ball and the Frontier Institute may also be forced to make an effort to remove any repetition of the libellous material, so if you want to make their possible legal tab larger, feel free to repeat it. ”
Well BigCityLib, I have news for you, the case has not even been heard yet.
In the end it is largely the US taxpayer that is funding these efforts to silence freedom of speech. Wealthy individuals make contributions to charitable foundations and receive a tax deduction in return. The cost of these deductions is then paid for by taxes on US working men and women.
These funds are then used by the charitable foundations to mount legal challenges to drive competitive industries out of the US and Canada, so that the wealthy individuals making the contributions can further benefit. By investing early, they can shape public policy and then make a killing when these policies are enacted.
It is no different than the robber barons of the past that bought up land along the path of the railways, before the public knew where the rails were to go. The same strategy was used time and time again to make fortunes when the highway systems were built. Insider knowledge allowed the wealthy insiders to gain windfall profits.
Now the same strategy is being used with “Green” industries. The investments have been made and anyone that tries to speak up will be silenced. There is too much money at stake to allow anyone to interfere at this late stage in the game.
The name of the game isn’t global warming or CO2. It is called making money the old fashioned way, by taking it from the poor and giving it to the rich. After all, the poor can’t defend themselves. If you try and take money from the rich, they have the resources to stop you.
Even now there is a high stakes poker game on-going in the US capital over this very issue. Will the EPA in the US dictate which industries succeed and which will fail, through the control of the energy sector? Which companies will remain in the US, and which will relocate to China and India? Who stands to make a killing as a result?
I find myself hoping they both lose. One for being pathetically thin-skinned or vexatious (I can’t tell which one applies), and the other for juvenile taunting.
This is how they silence all criticism.
Professor David Mackay made the lodicrous and deliberately deceitful claim in his book* that electric vehicles were five times as efficient as fossil fueled vehicles. This is utter nonsense, as you might expect, for when comparing like with like a modern diesel is much more efficient then an electric vehicle, powered by today’s fossil-feulled electrical grid.
Professor Mackay’s counter was not that he disagreed or I had made a mistake – but that I had libeled him. They are scientific cowards who will not admit to their religious bias, and hide behind threats of court action. It is time they were all exposed.
I will send £200 to Dr Ball.
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Delingpole has just had a complaint against him bu UEA thrown out by the Press Complaints Commission. Details at http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100083071/uea-the-sweet-smell-of-napalm-in-the-morning/
This is so disgusting, trying to deliberately bankrupt a 72 year old pensioner for speaking the truth, this can only be the action of an evil fraudulent Mann.
I want to make a donation, but the Paypal process is just too complicated.
I plan to donate ASAP, just waiting for my paycheque from undisclosed sources.
Of course it could all be a misunderstanding. Maybe Dr Ball meant that Dr Mann is so good at protecting data that he would make a good prison warder.
Donation sent with calendar reminder to send another donation next month and so on. It will be a long expensive process for Mr. Ball and he needs all the help we can provide.
Stand firm Dr. Ball – there are a vast multitude on your side and who will help you defeat ‘Mannianism’, donation sent via PayPal.
AntonyIndia says:
April 8, 2011 at 8:29 am
And I though Canada was a beacon of Freedom of Speech! Turns out that the one with the biggest bank account can shut up anybody. What a disappointment.
Canada his home to the witch-hunting Human Rights Commissions. Live in fear if you besmirch the wrong individual or group.
Kristoffer says:
April 8, 2011 at 6:10 am
Interesting legal procedures, but why is the word “sceptic” used in this way?
Perhaps skeptic or sceptic doesn’t jump out at you here in a post on a law suit, but Dr. Tim Ball’s work is that of one skeptical of the establishment stand on CAGW- skepticism is a time-honoured and brave employment for a scientist in all ages. I looked at your site and you are clearly on the side of the science is settled folks on this issue even in the face of climategate (you had to have swallowed all the whitewashes and accepted the egregious behaviour uncovered) – this is a hi-jacking of the term skeptic. You obviously label those skeptical of the consensus science as something other than skeptics (deniers?). There is a hysterical crowd on both sides of the issue – the true skeptics are thoughtful, knowledgable people of integrity but it suits such as you to identify them with “disbelievers” who need no knowledge or insight to be such. Some questions: 1) where do you obtain your knowledge on climate science 2) has your stance moderated over the past 15 years with the planet stubbornly refusing to heat up with continued rising CO2? or are you buying into the colder is warmer newthink. If you haven’t changed during the past 15 years, note that your consensus has been changing the name of the phenomenon from Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (few cling to this one now) to Climate Change which skeptics have suggested has always been the state of the earths climate (that way it doesn’t matter whether it warms or cools although they still suggest it will warm to unbearable levels) to Climate Disruption which focusses on hurricanes, snow storms, droughts, floods, leaving the warming unspoken as the cause. This is a big comedown. Also note that the former top spokesmen for CAGW have changed from the unbridled alarmist position to quieter positions, either making about-turns like Dr. Phil Jones of CRU in the UK or publishing a heck of a lot less and taking more moderate positions. Don’t get left behind by yourself Dr. Kristoffer
Go J.J. at 8:17 AM!!
Donation sent, and I urge all “deniers” to donate. Any of us who have expressed our scientific opinions regarding Michael Mann’s pre-determined results and “voo doo” statistics could find ourselves in a similar situation. Support Dr. Tim Ball in Canada and hope Va. Attorney General Ken Cuchinelli is successful here. All of Michael Mann and the rest of the team’s dirt needs to be finally exposed.
Not surprised to read that David Suzuki is behind this. However, how many are aware that it is American Corporate Wealth funds that are behind groups like David Suzuki. Ultimately it is these American Corporate Wealth funds that Tim Ball is fighting.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/02/18/kevin-libin-environmental-activists-hide-behind-a-screen-of-u-s-money/
http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/david-suzuki-foundation-70-million.html
http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/usa-foundations-paid-tides-canada-nearly-57-million.html
It seems like Ball is being ‘hoist by his own petard’ here, several years ago he started a defamation suit against Prof Dan Johnson about a letter to the editor which suggested that Ball’s credentials were overstated. After Johnson showed that his statements were in fact correct Ball withdrew the suit and Johnson was awarded costs.
Anyone care to explain at what point an ad hominem becomes a libel. Is it the point at which the object of such a comment finds someone to fund their legal action. So much for equality under the law?
Isnt there a “sceptic” lawyer who could take on the case pro bono ?I would if I was a lawyer.
I Paypaled him a few bucks. Good luck Dr. Ball
Phil. says:
Except that what Ball has said is not libelous.
Just keep on sniffing the glue, Phil., that’s about all you’re worth to such discussions.
Mark
Good luck Dr Ball, donation made