Clean Coal (Say WATT?) – Our Energy Future

Guest Post by Ira Glickstein

The December 2010 issue of the Atlantic shows an amazing turn-around by some of the Global Warming warmists! Yes, they are still tuned in to the CAGW crowd predicting imminent climate change disaster, but … BUT, some have reversed themselves on their previous ‘ol devil coal! Turns out we need coal to generate Watts of electricity for our electric cars and, they say, we can do it in a way that is environmentally correct.

The cover story, by respected author James Fallows, is titled Why the Future of Clean Energy is Dirty Coal. {Click the link to read it free online.}

Recall that, only last year, a leading alarmist, NASA’s James Hansen, one of the key science advisors on Al Gore’s The Inconvenient Truth movie, wrote:

“..coal is the single greatest threat to civilization and all life on our planet. … The dirtiest trick that governments play on their citizens is the pretense that they are working on ‘clean coal’… The trains carrying coal to power plants are death trains. Coal-fired power plants are factories of death.” 

Fallows writes:

“To environmentalists, ‘clean coal’ is an insulting oxymoron. But for now, the only way to meet the world’s energy needs, and to arrest climate change before it produces irreversible cataclysm, is to use coal—dirty, sooty, toxic coal— …” 

Amazingly, while atmospheric CO2 is still the bogeyman of what alarmists say is an imminent Global Warming disaster, coal, which is nearly all carbon and generates CO2 when burned as intended, is part of the solution! Fallows writes:

Before James Watt invented the steam engine in the late 1700s—that is, before human societies had much incentive to burn coal and later oil in large quantities—the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was around 280 parts per million, or ppm … By 1900, as Europe and North America were industrializing, it had reached about 300 ppm.

Now the carbon-dioxide concentration is at or above 390 ppm, which is probably the highest level in many millions of years. “We know that the last time CO2 was sustained at this level, much of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets were not there,” Michael Mann, a climate scientist at Penn State, told me. Because of the 37 billion annual tons of carbon-dioxide emissions, the atmospheric carbon-dioxide level continues to go up by about two ppm a year. For perspective: by the time today’s sixth-graders finish high school, the world carbon-dioxide level will probably have passed 400 ppm, and by the time most of them are starting families, it will have entered the 420s. …

Michael Mann told me. “What we have with rising CO2 levels in general is a dramatically increasing probability of serious and deleterious change in our climate.” He went down the list: more frequent, severe, and sustained heat waves, like those that affected Russia and the United States this summer; more frequent and destructive hurricanes and floods; more frequent droughts, like the “thousand-year drought” that has devastated Australian agriculture; and altered patterns of the El Niño phenomenon, which will change rainfall patterns in the Americas. …

You should recognize Michael Mann as the creator of the deceptive “hockey stick curve” at the center of many of the Climategate emails. (See this and this and this and this.) Note also the standard line that, whatever happens to the weather: hotter, colder, dryer, wetter, stormy, calm, sunny, cloudy, … whatever, it is all due to high CO2 levels (even if they don’t plow your streets after a blizzard :^)

So, what is the solution? Fallows writes:

Isn’t “clean energy” the answer? Of course—because everything is the answer. The people I spoke with and reports I read differed in emphasis, sometimes significantly. Some urged greater stress on efficiency and conservation; some, a faster move toward nuclear power or natural gas; some, an all-out push for solar power and other renewable sources …

Note the mention of nuclear, also a bogeyman of the green crowd until a few years ago. In this regard much of the world is ahead of us. When I bicycled in France a few years ago, you could see nuclear power plant cooling towers in much of the countryside (except near Paris – I guess that is where the professional environmentalists live) and France generates most of its electricity using nuclear energy. It will take the US quite a while to catch up, but it is good to see a mainstream liberal literary magazine starting to lead the way. The above paragraph also mentions natural gas, a fossil fuel, ahead of “solar power and other renewable sources” stuck in at the end. It seems they finally realize that we need energy and, at least for the next decades, it will continue to be coal, burned in a cleaner way, plus nuclear and natural gas.

Fallows continues:

“Emotionally, we would all like to think that wind, solar, and conservation will solve the problem for us,” David Mohler of Duke Energy told me. “Nothing will change, our comfort and convenience will be the same, and we can avoid that nasty coal. Unfortunately, the math doesn’t work that way.”…

Coal will be with us because it is abundant: any projected “peak coal” stage would come many decades after the world reaches “peak oil.” It will be with us because of where it’s located: the top four coal-reserve countries are the United States, Russia, China, and India, which together have about 40 percent of the world’s population and more than 60 percent of its coal. …

“I know this is a theological issue for some people,” Julio Friedmann of Lawrence Livermore said. “Solar and wind power are going to be important, but it is really hard to get them beyond 10 percent of total power supply.” …

What would progress on coal entail? The proposals are variations on two approaches: ways to capture carbon dioxide before it can escape into the air and ways to reduce the carbon dioxide that coal produces when burned. In “post-combustion” systems, the coal is burned normally, but then chemical or physical processes separate carbon dioxide from the plume of hot flue gas that comes out of the smokestack. Once “captured” as a relatively pure stream of carbon dioxide, this part of the exhaust is pressurized into liquid form and then sold or stored. …

“Pre-combustion” systems are fundamentally more efficient. In them, the coal is treated chemically to produce a flammable gas with lower carbon content than untreated coal. This means less carbon dioxide going up the smokestack to be separated and stored.

Either way, pre- or post-, the final step in dealing with carbon is “sequestration”—doing something with the carbon dioxide that has been isolated at such cost and effort, so it doesn’t just escape into the air. … All larger-scale, longer-term proposals for storing carbon involve injecting it deep underground, into porous rock that will trap it indefinitely. In the right geological circumstances, the captured carbon dioxide can even be used for “enhanced oil recovery,” forcing oil out of the porous rock into which it is introduced and up into wells.

According to Fallows, China is in the lead on this clean coal technology, with help from American and other western corporations. While it is good that at least some of the Global Warming alarmists are warming up to coal as a necessary part of the solution, it would be better IMHO, if they were also more realistic about the actual dangers of climate change and the likelihood (again IMHO) that most of the warming of the past century is due to natural cycles not under human control and that we are likely already in a multi-decade period of stable temperatures, and perhaps a bit of cooling.

Yes, I think we need to do something about the unprecedented steady rise in CO2 levels, but we have to do it is a way that will not destroy our economies or force us to drastically reduce our lifestyles. One thing I agree with James Hansen about is that an across-the-board carbon tax, assessed equally against all sequestered fuels (coal, oil, natural gas) and collected at the mine, well, or port, is the best solution, far more suitable to the task than the “cap and trade” political scam, and more likely to work.

Rather than have governments pick winners (and mess up as they did with corn ethanol subsidies that raised food prices and reduced gas mileage without doing much to control CO2 emissions) I prefer to tax carbon progressively a bit more each year and let industry and other users decide for themselves how to adapt to the higher prices. Nothing stimulates action and invention like saving your own money. Nothing wastes money like government taking money from “Mr. A” and giving it to “Mr. B” for the “good of society”.

I’m working on a future posting that will propose use of gassified coal along with enhanced CO2 farming as a clean coal implementation that may make sense in a decade or so. I hope to post it next week.

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Another story in the same issue of the Atlantic is about famed physicist Freeman Dyson and The Danger of Cosmic Genius.{Click the link to read it free online.}

They write:

In the range of his genius, Freeman Dyson is heir to Einstein—a visionary who has reshaped thinking in fields from math to astrophysics to medicine, and who has conceived nuclear-propelled spaceships designed to transport human colonists to distant planets. And yet on the matter of global warming he is, as an outspoken skeptic, dead wrong: wrong on the facts, wrong on the science. How could someone as smart as Dyson be so dumb about the environment?

Does it occur to them that the CAGW warmists and alarmists may be the ones who are wrong?

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Claude Harvey
December 30, 2010 10:48 pm

Do not be deceived, folks. Sequestering CO2 is just another way to get the cost up there in the stratosphere. The money D.O.E. has squandered on “clean coal” technology over the past 50 years is obscene and the landscape is littered with its failed boondoggles. As a veteran of many renewable energy power plant permitting struggles against the “environmental interveners”, I assure you their primary objective is to stop plant construction. Their backup objective is to make the plant cost as much as possible in a shortsighted effort to “punish the evil capitalist running dogs”. Sequestering CO2 falls into that latter category.
[Claude and ALL: I am NOT in favor of artificialy re-sequestering the carbon. CO2 could be used to enhance farming as I plan to discuss in my upcoming topic next week. Ira]

pat
December 30, 2010 10:48 pm

Only Obama and Browner could believe this idiotic nonsense. Doofus and Doofa.

captainfish
December 30, 2010 10:58 pm

The last sentence of your post you write:
“Does it occur to them that the CAGW warmists and alarmists may be the ones who are wrong? ”
From that, I must conclude that you feel that rising CO2 is not substantially man’s fault and that the rising temps are also not substantially man’s fault.
But yet, you are going gung-ho on taxing carbon?!!? This makes no sense especially at a time, and a post, that you are hyping the use of coal.
[Very perceptive Captainfish! The CAGW alarmists and warmists are wrong about there being any kind of tipping point, runaway crisis. I believe (see Willis Echenbach’s recent WUWT item) that much of the recent rise in atmospheric CO2 (perhaps half, though Willis thinks more) is due to human activities and that that has caused a small amount (perhaps 0.1ºC) of the warming over the past century and a half. When the natural cycles (Sun, ocean oscillations, etc.) reverse after what I hope is the coming cooling cycle of several decades, human-caused warming will steadily bias temps upwards, and we will continue to adapt. However, as a conservative, I am concerned about unprecedented (in human times) CO2 levels. I am also worried about the costs of protecting our access to foreign petroleum. Also, fossil fuels and nuclear are non-renewable resources, with a horizon of decades to a century or so. That is why I favor a modest carbon tax. I am not gung-ho on it though. Ira]

December 30, 2010 11:23 pm

I can agree to an across-the-board carbon tax, assessed equally against all sequestered fuels only after I see how that moola will be spent and apportioned.
There is little doubt that a tax at the source is a very efficient way to monetize the collective harm to the global environment ( if there IS indeed harm). My problem is once you have found this wonderfully efficient means of collecting a Kings ransom, where does the moola go? Oh, the evil that largess will spawn! That is why all this carbon tax is a scam. Follow the money.

December 30, 2010 11:29 pm

“dirty, sooty, toxic coal”
I cannot help but think these folks have got it all entirely wrong. What about dirty, sooty, toxic volcanoes? That’s what I fear perturbing our climate. They could dramatically intensify. All the way to a large caldera(s) blowing. Something resembling this: http://www.pnas.org/content/101/17/6341.full
And we would need plenty of energy to get through the intensifying sharper temperature gradients if this gets really going.

brett
December 30, 2010 11:31 pm

I live in Australia. If Michael mann thinks the drought that has just ended (we are in floods now ) is a one in a thousand year event , he is ignorant of Australias’ climate history. This drought is comparable to the federation drought of 1901. Australia is as Dorathea Mckeller wrote “… a land of drought and flooding rains…” Dorathea knew this and wasn’t even a climatologist–cheers brett

December 30, 2010 11:35 pm

The problem (one of them) with nuclear power is that nuclear fission does not produce electricity. It produces heat that must first be used to boil water into steam, which is then driven through turbines to create the electricity — with decompressed steam (water vapor) as a byproduct. And as we all know, water vapor is a much more potent GHG than CO2.
On the other hand, Warmer is Better, so emission of water vapor (and/or CO2) is not a problem but rather a solution to what ails this Ice Age planet. Not to mention that both water and CO2 are fundamental building blocks of Life.
Like beauty, pollution is in the eye of the beholder.

Dan W.
December 30, 2010 11:35 pm

Claude Harvey says:
December 30, 2010 at 10:48 pm
“Do not be deceived, folks. Sequestering CO2 is just another way to get the cost up there in the stratosphere.”
I couldn’t agree more.
Sequestering coal is the allusive dream of the warmist. It reminds me of the “wind” power lobby of the past alluding to the holy grail of cheap clean energy. This and the sequestration myth is what keeps the United States from moving appreciably forward with an energy policy that is not only coherant but economically viable.

tokyoboy
December 30, 2010 11:51 pm

2011 is seven hours ahead here.
A Happy New Year everyone!!

Ralph
December 30, 2010 11:55 pm

I always love these grand Carbon Capture schemes. But nobody has explained to me what the contingency planning is for a massive blowout of CO2 from their well. If you had a BP Gulf of Mexoco scenario, with a well full of CO2, it would spread out across the sea and engulf all e towns and cities along the coast, with devastating consequences.
Look what happened at Lake Nyos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos
Is this what the Greens want?
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P.G. Sharrow
December 31, 2010 12:02 am

This is getting tiring as we had the very same arguments 30 years ago and the real solutions are still the same. Wind and solar is overpriced and gives disapointing results. They will always be overpriced and under perform. Coal is the fastest and cheapest solution, just very dirty, and will always be dirty. Gas and oil are too valuable for transportation and chemical plants to be burned to produce electricity. That leaves nuclear fission and hydro for electricity. This has not changed in 30 years. Fusion power is still at least 50 years in the future the same as it was 30 years ago. I do not wish to become “as beasts of the field” I do not wish that for my children ether. The ECOs have fought nuclear and hydro tooth and nail for 30 years using the same lame arguments over and over to stop all advancement. Don’t they know that they will be the first to die as they can not even feed themselves in rural or wild conditions.
A modern civilization requires huge amounts of inexpensive energy to survive. A clean enviroment requires large amounts of inexpensive energy. Just look at any poor country. It is time to ignore those that have been educated way beyond their intelligence as they are not worth reeducating. Time to get on with improving the lives of all people and not just the eliete that wish 80% of the worlds population to “disappear”. pg

Monty
December 31, 2010 12:09 am

“I prefer to tax carbon progressively a bit more each year and let industry and other users decide for themselves how to adapt to the higher prices. Nothing stimulates action and invention like saving your own money. Nothing wastes money like government taking money from “Mr. A” and giving it to “Mr. B” for the “good of society”.
Same thing. <[:')

Jim & Phyllis Butts
December 31, 2010 12:24 am

Global Warming
Trying to put the case in compact form:
1. Global warming is a good thing if it is occurring. More of the earth’s land area can be farmed to produce more food. Fewer deaths will occur because of cold weather conditions.
2. Climate change is always occurring to some degree but we seem to be in a very stable period now with temperature change of less than 1 degree Kelvin (< 0.3 %) over the past 200 years.
3. CO2 is a tiny effect (x2 = 1 deg K, x4 = 2 deg K, x8 = 4 deg K, etc.). And these temperature changes obtain only if all other things are held constant. If cloud cover increases by ~ 1% increased albedo would negate any temperature increase. But if the clouds were formed at night the temperature would increase. So who knows what will happen.
4. But, increased CO2 is a good thing either way but not very.

December 31, 2010 12:25 am

enough says:
December 30, 2010 at 9:11 pm
Never did figure out the point of the article. Just the usual pointless eco-crap when it comes to energy.
I concur with your analysis. For a different perspective, The Oil Drum kindly posted a presentation of mine on coal to liquids: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7002
I love one comment from the warmers on it: “If there were a Devil, this would be his work.”
[David Archibald, I looked at your Coal to Liquids and recommend it to others. Ira]

brad
December 31, 2010 12:37 am

Obama supports clean coal. He also supports nukes.
It is not a right wing meme so it will never get any play here, but MidAmerican Energy gets 20% of its energy from wind, and just signed agreements to take that to 25% – additionally they have not had a rate increase since 1995 and they have pledged none through at least 2014.
http://www.midamericanenergy.com/wind/news.aspx

Dr A Burns
December 31, 2010 12:46 am

“Yes, I think we need to do something about the unprecedented steady rise in CO2 levels …”
It is not “unprecedented”. CO2 levels have been 7 times as high since mammals first walked the earth.
Why do we “need to do something” ? CO2 has no deleterious effects !

jorgekafkazar
December 31, 2010 12:50 am

Carbon capture/sequestration is simply silly.
But, as Don Adams used to say, “Yay Glick!” Thanks for posting.

brad
December 31, 2010 1:05 am

Dr. Burns-
Watch lefties heads spin when you discuss how oxygen is a contaminant brought on by life, and ask them if we should go back to 3% and let all mammals die.
From wikipedia:
“Free oxygen gas was almost nonexistent in Earth’s atmosphere before photosynthetic archaea and bacteria evolved. Free oxygen first appeared in significant quantities during the Paleoproterozoic eon (between 2.5 and 1.6 billion years ago). At first, the oxygen combined with dissolved iron in the oceans to form banded iron formations. Free oxygen started to gas out of the oceans 2.7 billion years ago, reaching 10% of its present level around 1.7 billion years ago.[48]
The presence of large amounts of dissolved and free oxygen in the oceans and atmosphere may have driven most of the anaerobic organisms then living to extinction during the Great Oxygenation Event(oxygen catastrophe) about 2.4 billion years ago. However, cellular respiration using O2 enables aerobic organisms to produce much more ATP than anaerobic organisms, helping the former to dominate Earth’s biosphere.[49] Photosynthesis and cellular respiration of O2 allowed for the evolution of eukaryotic cells and ultimately complex multicellular organisms such as plants and animals.
Since the beginning of the Cambrian period 540 million years ago, O2 levels have fluctuated between 15% and 30% by volume.[50] Towards the end of the Carboniferous period (about 300 million years ago) atmospheric O2 levels reached a maximum of 35% by volume,[50] which may have contributed to the large size of insects and amphibians at this time.[51] Human activities, including the burning of 7 billion tonnes of fossil fuels each year have had very little effect on the amount of free oxygen in the atmosphere.[11] At the current rate of photosynthesis it would take about 2,000 years to regenerate the entire O2 in the present atmosphere.[52]

Honest ABE
December 31, 2010 1:13 am

If these idiots get their way with mass CO2 sequestration then I’m positive they’ll create the conditions for their very own Lake Nyos.

tmtisfree
December 31, 2010 1:27 am

According to energy expert Robert Peltier:

I’m often asked: what is the cleanest coal-fired power plant in the world? I am also asked: how “clean” is clean coal?
If emissions levels from a gas-fired combined cycle plant are the measure of “clean,” then there are emissions control technologies available today for coal-fired plants that can produce comparable emissions. To be sure, low emissions from coal-fired plants isn’t a technology problem, it’s a political problem.

From the MasterResource article Real Clean Coal: Japan’s Unit #2 Isogo Plant.

sandyinderby
December 31, 2010 1:29 am

George Turner says:
December 30, 2010 at 10:32 pm
I thought Town Gas was produced by “cooking” coal rather than the water method. Some of the by-products being coal tar (remember Wrights Coal tar soap? I can still smell it now) coke used in our now defunct steel industry and as a smokeless domestic fuel, and a raft of other useful chemicals.
But I could well be wrong on that.

sandyinderby
December 31, 2010 1:31 am

With regard to so called renewals, the UK was getting forty times as much power from the French Interconnector as from ALL the wind-farms last night at about 6:30pm.
Thank goodness someone had the sense to go Nuclear.

Ralph
December 31, 2010 1:42 am

“”It is not a right wing meme so it will never get any play here, but MidAmerican Energy gets 20% of its energy from wind””
You mean sometimes gets 20% of its energy from wind. When the elements want to play ball. Not when you want the energy, mind, but when the elements want to play ball.
Freezing cold due a huge anticyclone? Ha, ha, no energy for you, my foolish friend. Baking hot and want the airconditioning? You must be joking, sad sir. Middle of the night, and everyone fast asleep? Well, just look at those windelecs spin and spin and spin.
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Jack Simmons
December 31, 2010 1:55 am
kai
December 31, 2010 1:55 am

I really miss scientists from the 50’s atomic era. Physicists had it cool then, lot of stuff happened, crazy ideas were funded…and more than once worked! 🙂
Compared to that, the eco-puritanism is booooooring, and so close to christian religions it is freaky. Sects, interpreation of the scriptures by techno-clerks, explanation after the fact among the contradictory CAGW predictions while carefully ignoring the one that failed, telling everybody looks we told you so. This particular piece is also a classic: wondering why great minds did not go with the dogma, showing some concern that the poor gifted soul do not see the obvious, but then, in a oh so noble eviro-forgiveness, blessing him despite his sins.
I’ll take a Farnsworth, Dyson or Feynman against 100 Hansen, Mann or Jones, thank you…