John A: This is a provocative essay, and I’ve thought of at least a couple of replies to counter some of the arguments, but I think it deserves a wider audience.
The Global Warming Policy Foundation
by Dr Terence Kealey, Vice-Chancellor, University of Buckingham
Member of the Academic Advisory Council for the Global Warming Policy Foundation
The Mont Pelerin Society Meeting Seminar on Science, Scepticism and the Future. Sydney, Australia, October 2010
The hard core of a programme is rendered unfalsifiable by the methodological decision of its protagonists. — Imre Lakatos Criticism and the Growth of Knowledge 1974
The scientist is restricted by his instruments, money, the attitudes of his colleagues, his playmates, and by innumerable physiological, sociological, historical constraints. –Paul Feyerabend, Against Method 1975
The emails sent by members of the climatic research centre at the University of East Anglia have provoked international outrage, as have the many flawed global warming papers that have appeared in recent years such as those describing the hockey stick graph(1), to say nothing of the flawed predictions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) over such issues as the rate of disappearance of the glaciers in the Himalayas. But such outrage has been naive because it has been premised on the assumption that scientists are – and should be – dispassionate seekers after truth. Yet in fact scientists are and should be advocates. Science has always been rooted in advocacy, as was illustrated by an episode from its very beginnings during the 5th century BC.
Pythagoras (of the Theorum) was a good scientist but he was of a mystical bent and he revered ‘rational’ numbers (whole numbers or whole fractions). He believed they explained the Harmony of the Spheres. Pythagoras, indeed, believed that whole numbers underpinned the universe from music to the movement of the planets. But Pythagoras had a student called Hippasus, and Hippasus discovered that the square root of 2, √2 is not a rational number. It is in fact an ‘irrational’ number, and its exact quantity will never be precisely calculated because, as Hippasus showed two and a half thousand years ago, irrational numbers can never be definitively calculated. This proof upset Pythagoras and he asked Hippasus to retract it. But Hippasus refused, so Pythagoras had him drowned.
That’s what scientists are like in their natural state. Now – call me soft – but I think Pythagoras went too far; I think that scientists should desist from killing each other or even from telling outright falsehoods. But, like advocates in court, scientists can nonetheless be expected to put forward only one very partial case – and that as strongly as possible – and no-one should expect a scientist to be anything other than a biased advocate.
Consider the early controversy over the age of the earth. The 19th century geologist Sir Charles Lyell had, by his study of the rate of erosion of cliffs, proposed the earth not to have been created at 9.00 am on the 23rd of October 4004 BC but, rather, some hundreds of millions of years earlier. But, as we know from volcanoes, the core of the earth is red hot. And when contemporary geologists measured the temperature of the molten core, and when they calculated its rate of heat loss, they concluded that the earth could be only a few millions of years old. Had it been any older its core would have completely cooled. Lyell had apparently been falsified.
In the face of this apparent falsification, did Lyell’s followers ditch their ideas? No. Like advocates presented with contradictory data that cannot be challenged, they simply ignored it. They knew how old the sedimentary rocks had to be, and they didn’t believe the falsifiers. So, not knowing how to falsify the falsifiers, they simply pressed on with their own pre-existing programme of research, assuming
that something helpful would turn up eventually. Which it did. Somebody in some other discipline discovered radioactivity, somebody discovered the core of the earth to be radioactive, somebody discovered that radioactive reactions emitted heat and hey presto the problem was resolved: the core of the earth generates heat, which is why it is still hot; and the earth is indeed very old.
In his 1605 book The Advancement of Knowledge, which helped launch the modern discipline we call the philosophy of science, Francis Bacon proposed a four-step process by which science advanced, namely by (i) observation, (ii) induction, (iii) deduction and (iv) experimentation. Bacon saw this as an almost mechanical or determinist activity based on logic, which he supposed precluded individualistic human whims. But because the number of potential observations is so large (does the colour of an astronomer’s socks correlate with his or her recordings of the movement of a planet?) scientists must inevitably select the observations they believe to be relevant, from which they then deduce and induce the theories they seek to test.
Scientists therefore select particular theories out of a range of possibilities. And they then (being human) design experiments to prove their own theories right. Consequently, contrary to what many people believe that Karol Popper wrote, science is in practice not about falsification.2 In practice great scientists ignore embarrassing data, and they refuse to feel falsified when they don’t want to be.
Scientists know they are working at the limits of knowledge, which means that that knowledge must necessarily be imperfect, so (like Charles Lyell) scientists will refuse to draw definitive negative conclusions from unhelpful new findings because they know that those new findings might themselves need re-evaluation in the light of further subsequent data (such as radioactivity) that has yet to be revealed.
Indeed, as Thomas Kuhn explained in his classic 1962 book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, scientists’ personal attachment to their own theories in the face of conflicting data means that the research community’s dispassionate collective verdict over what is ’truth’ can be delivered only after all the competing data has come in and only after all the arguments have been made (or, as was said humorously by Max Planck:- “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it “). These arguments have been summarised by Alan Chalmers of Finders University in his excellent introduction to the philosophy of science What Is This Thing Called Science? (3rd ed 1999, Open University).
Consequently, we can see how the climate change scientists of the IPCC and of the conventional global warming paradigm saw no conflict between their partiality in the arguments they put forward and their responsibilities to ‘truth’, just as advocates in court under the common law see no conflict between their partiality in the arguments they put forward and their responsibilities to ‘justice’.
In both cases, the scientists and advocates see their prime responsibility as being the putting forward of the best arguments to support their case/client, and they delegate the adjudication over impartial ‘truth’ to the jury of peers.
Such partiality cannot excuse misrepresentation, of course, nor the persistent non-disclosure of inconvenient facts, and those will always be ethical crimes, but it would be naive of the general public to expect scientists always to present their work and theories dispassionately. It would also be naive of the general public to expect scientists to disclose all their data promptly. In his otherwise excellent 2010 book The Hockey Stick Illusion (Independent Minds) where he dismissed the claims of many climate change scientists, AW Montford nonetheless professed astonishment that researchers might feel that they can legitimately withhold original data. But as Tim Birkhead recently reported in the Times Higher Education, such withholding is a conventional aspect of many disciplines in science. Indeed, it is endorsed by the British Government’s research councils. Thus the Natural Environment Research Council states that “individual scientists, principal-investigator teams and programmes will be permitted a reasonable period of exclusive access to data sets they have collected” while the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council states that ‘researchers have a legitimate interest in benefiting from their own time and effort in producing the data, but not in prolonged exclusive use. ‘3
But why should scientists publish anything at all? In his 1942 essay The Normative Structure of Science Robert Merton, the great sociologist of science, described science with the acronym CUDOS (note how it is pronounced). The letters stand for Communism, Universalism, Disinterestedness and Organised Scepticism, by which Merton meant that scientists share knowledge (communism), that knowledge is judged objectively (universalism), that scientists act in ways that appear selfless, and that ideas are tested collectively.
But actually Merton was being ahistorical. Pace his acronym, scientists indeed seek either kudos or money or both (ie, they are not communistic, they are selfseeking, which is legitimate but not particularly noble) but their publishing has always been dictated by self-interest. Indeed, in its natural state science was originally characterised by the paradox of secret publishing: researchers did not want others to benefit from their advances. So some scientists, having dated the report of a discovery, would seal and deposit it with a college or lawyer, to open it only to dispute priority with a later competitive publication. Others would publish in code or in anagrams: Galileo published his discovery of the rings of Saturn in 1610 as smaismrmilmepoetaleumibunenugttauiras for Altissimum planetam tergeminum observavi (I have observed the most distant planet to have a triple form) while Robert Hooke published his law of elasticity in 1660 as ceiiinosssttuu for ut tensio sic vis (stress is proportional to strain.)
Secrecy was originally normal: when around 1600 a young London obstetrician called Peter Chamberlen invented the obstetric forceps, for over a century he, his younger brother, his younger brother’s son and that son’s son (all obstetricians) kept the invention a secret. Rich women, knowing that the Chamberlens were the best obstetricians in Europe, engaged them to deliver their babies, but the price those women paid (apart from handsome fees) was to be blindfolded and trapped alone with the Chamberlens in a locked room during labour so that no one could discover the secret of the forceps. That emerged only during the 1720s when the last Chamberlen, having retired rich but childless, finally divulged it.
It was Robert Boyle who, by his leadership of the Royal Society of London, which was created exactly 350 years ago this year, negotiated (i) the convention whereby priority – and therefore esteem – goes to the scientist who publishes first, not to the scientist who might have made the discovery earlier but who has kept the findings secret, and (ii) the convention that papers are accepted for publication only if they contain a methods section as well as a results section, to allow reproducibility.
We see here, therefore, that science is not innately a public good: it is innately a discreet one where, in a state of nature, scientists would publish not their methods but only their findings – and where they would sometimes delay or obscure the publication even of those. But it was Boyle who realised, in classic game theory mode, that if the Fellows (aka members) of the infant Royal Society collaborated with each other in publishing their findings (i) openly, and (ii) including their methods sections, then the scientists within the Society would do better, by virtue of their access to the whole of the Society’s membership’s collective discoveries, than would those isolated researchers who worked outside the circle of mutual disclosure. And it was because the Royal Society’s original experiments were conducted collectively but in the presence only of its Fellows, and because its publications were preferentially circulated to its Fellows, that the Fellows enjoyed an advantage over non-Fellows.
Science, therefore, only appears to be public because, over the centuries, most scientists globally have gradually modelled themselves on the Royal Society’s ‘new’ conventions, the better to take advantage of the mutuality of knowledge. But not all scientists have done so completely, and as Birkhead showed in his THE article many disciplines have elaborated the convention of publishing their findings a year or two before they publish their data, thus keeping a lead on the further study of their data.
Everyone in those disciplines agrees that, since the exploitation of other people’s data is so much easier than discovering it for oneself, a discoverer’s year or more of monopoly is only fair.
To conclude, therefore, scientists are not disinterested, they are interested, and as a consequence science is not dispassionate or fully transparent, rather it is human and partially arcane. As I argue elsewhere, science is not the public good of modern myth, it is a collegiate and quasi-private or invisible college good.4 That means, by the way, that it requires no public subsidies. More relevantly, it means that individual scientist’s pronouncements should be seen more as advertisements than as definitive.
Peer review, too, is merely a mechanism by which scientists keep a collective control over access to their quasi-private enterprise. One the e-mails leaked from the University of East Anglia included this from Professor Phil Jones, referring to two papers that apparently falsified his work:- “I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!”
So what? Climategate tells us no more than the philosophers of science have long told us about research, and the public should be less naive.
Notes and References
1. Mann ME, Bradley RS, Hughes MK, 1999, Northern Hemisphere Temperatures During the Past Millennium Geophysical Research Letters 26: 759.762
2. It should be noted that falsification and falsifiability are different. As Popper proposed, a statement cannot be seen as scientific unless it is falsifiable and can thus be tested by the scientific method. So the statement that the moon is made of green cheese is a scientific one, because it can be tested and falsified. But the fact that none of the moon missions to date has found green cheese does not falsify the hypothesis because not every part of the moon has yet been explored.
3. Birkhead T, 2009, Whose Data is it Anyway? Times Higher Education 1,901, 27.
4. Kealey T, 2008, Sex, Science and Profits William Heinemann
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As I argue elsewhere, science is not the public good of modern myth, it is a collegiate and quasi-private or invisible college good.4 That means, by the way, that it requires no public subsidies. More relevantly, it means that individual scientist’s pronouncements should be seen more as advertisements than as definitive.
I have no argument with those.
Brian H.
I guess instead of working by faulty memory, I should have put down:
H. Pylori. Judging by the 1,430,000 hits on Google for that, (which, it seems..but then I only reviewed 700,000 of them….) tracks to the same meaning as the full title which you have indicated.
Sorry. I hope my other illustrations were accurate enough. A quick search on the Wright Brothers + Scientific American + 1905 should yield an interesting “tibit” to illustrate the approach of “established science” to those who dare to challenge “concensus”…!
What he does NOT mention…which he should is that,
1) Groupthink (aka “consensus”)
AND
2) Cognitive dissonance
are two major distinct pathologies that both infect the human process of reasoning.
…And which are distinctly endemic to our species….
…And which are definitely endemic in the CAGW phenomenon
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
“As I argue elsewhere, science is not the public good of modern myth, it is a collegiate and quasi-private or invisible college good.4 That means, by the way, that it requires no public subsidies. More relevantly, it means that individual scientist’s pronouncements should be seen more as advertisements than as definitive.”
The above quote is the most important one from the article because it is the crux of the problem. The hockey team want it both ways; they wish to take public monies and then not provide raw data and complete methods (including computer code). They also wish their theories to be taken as definitive to the extent that public policy be formulated based on it.
“In practice great scientists ignore embarrassing data, and they refuse to feel falsified when they don’t want to be.” – Now who’s being anti-science?
I kinda feel sorry for Dr Kealey. He’s just thrown his scientific reputation under the bus.
OT: Canadian readers of the Globe and Mail won’t be surprised by this short garbage article except that it parades amid the business section of the newspaper.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/commentary/don-tapscott/accessible-information-key-to-carbon-education/article1852383/
I have rarely read as much stupid statements concentrated in so little article written by TWO journalists/activists… The future at the Globe is bleak: global dimming… LOL
Thanks, Mike (Jonas)…
There are three/well…actually – four, reasons I frequent this site.
1. I am (and always have been) fascinated by Science.
2. I love ALL KNOWLEDGE – (and have learned to loathe Behaviorists)
3. Reading the innumerable posts from erudite scholars (and jus’ plain guys)
inspires me.
4. And, lastly… It was in my 9th grade Science class that (while intrigued with
the periodic table of elements) I made the GROSS ERROR of opening up my
brand new Science book.
The pages I opened up to? The artist’s rendering of a chimp morphing into a Man…
and, (I was duly horrified) and the very next page was a photo of the Universe.
All inky blackness. It was THEN, right THEN, guys ~ that a former ‘believer’ with a assuredly small ‘b’ turned into a rebel and fell into the Fabians (et al) hands.
That one book. Those four pages. They took a ‘naive christian girl’ and turned her into all that the 70’s (and Satan) wanted me to be. I remember literally fuming at God after slamming the book shut. My juvenile conclusion? That God simply didn’t exist and that I’d been fed a ‘crock’ for 14 years…
It took till I was 32, Mike. I lived through pure Hell till I was 32 and one night at 3am when it almost came time for me to surrender my soul to Hell… (I’m tearing up right now…it’s THAT vivid)…and waves of warm H.S. ‘goosebumps’ are flooding me right now……..
Anyway ~ it was then. RIGHT when I needed GOD, ’cause I was being dragged to Hell ~ that I screamed out to HIM and……I’ve got tears officially streaming down my face……….it was right then, that the ‘arm not too short to save’ shot out and began to lovingly bring me back to life and to love and to…………TRUTH. His GLORIOUS Truth. Stuff I’d been searching for……..all my life.
It’s my prayer that you all learn how much more real HE IS than anything these [/snip] can throw at us. THAT’S why I pray for each of you (including YOU, pwl – warm smiles) that you’ll not give up this fight. That’s how important SCIENCE IS.
ALL OF YOU GENUINE SEEKERS OF ‘TRUTH’ – may you be encouraged and remember to armor up, k? (Ephesians 6:10 till the end of the chapter) ’cause we aren’t fighting a ‘fleshly’ fight, gentlemen. I’ve learned that, the hard way.
In (HIS) Truth,
Cynthia Lauren Thorpe
It seems to me the author simply misses the crucial difference between science and advocacy: science is reality bounded, advocacy is not. That some scientists use advocacy to defend their work (and/or the current Kuhnian paradigm of their field) against data that suggests it is incorrect is both true and not surprising, but it tells us more about the competency of those advocate-scientists than about science in general. Very competent scientists (and I have known some) focus on understanding reality, and never take a position of advocacy.
The essay is just rubbish.
Max;
Aargh.
That’s “tidbit” and “consensus”.
Those red underlines in the text entry box really do mean something. Right-click for suggested fixes.
I get the a sinking feeling that the world has gone mad, if Dr Kealy can get away, and prosper with these values. The important points to me are:
1. It’s ok for scientists to lie and steal because others scientists have done it / are doing it.
2. It’s ok to receive, and demand more, public money for promoting self interest and secrecy.
De Kealy must be doing these things regularly. It’s ok then.
In practice great scientists ignore embarrassing data, and they refuse to feel falsified when they don’t want to be.
Lyell was not “falsified” at any point. He had some contradictory evidence presented, but correctly believed that his explanation was simpler and better fitted the evidence available. Lamarck was falsified, and it was embarrassing that people kept supporting him when all the evidence fell away. Though obviously he would be a hero to Mr Kealey.
The problem the CO2-AGW camp have is that alternative hypotheses are actually just as satisfying a solution to the evidence, which is wildly contradictory in places.
What the original essay therefore lacks, because it is any discussion of the primary principle of modern science “Occam’s razor”.
Occam’s simple rule suggests that most of the modern modelling, with poor predictive ability and multiplying “epicycles” is a poor bet. I don’t care how many eminent people believe it, it ain’t working. (The same goes for “String Theory” and much of modern economics for that matter. Wild guesses with poor liklihood of success.)
The “Vice Chancellor” should pause and reflect.
In the corporate world when the men at the top are seen by their underlings to behave in a certain manner, then, when the men at the top are away or asleep, the mice come out to play.
And their games often are not very pretty.
If the CFO does not hold up the highest standards then, xxxxxxxxx – I’ll not go on except to say that it will get worse and worse until it is transformed from the top on down.
That wll happen, eventually.
Having grown up around scientists, I contend that most scientists are pretentious, vain, egotistical twits with absolutely no moral or ethical principles. However, the Climategate scientists were, and are, operating on taxpayers’ money, and therefore had, and have, absolutely no right to engage in partisan politics, deception, manipulation, withholding data, or what-have-you. Their endless assaults on American Republicans, for instance, ignores the fact that those same Republicans are paying their salaries.
The vanity of scientists basking in celebrity is nauseating. The only absolutely ethical scientist I know well is my own father, and he’s anything but political.
I don’t care if scientists dance around naked and spank each other in their clubs and societies, if their science doesn’t affect me.
But if they want my tax money for their research, then I want to see all their results.
And if they want to forcibly change my whole world with their science, then I demand to see their results, their raw data, the instruments that got the data with, the calibration certificates of their instruments, and the calibration of the calibrating instruments. This is just restatement of “extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence”.
Which part of this is not bleeding obvious.
Furthermore, large slabs of our society including our esteemed Vice-Chancellor Kealy have first routinely sacrificed integrity for self-interest, then lost track of what integrity actually is and now deny it ever existed or that it is needed.
God help our children.
The problem made with the “historical sweep of science” argument made here, is that it ignores that for the first time, many scientists are arguing for a complete remaking of society in a very short period of time, at immense cost and consequences.
It is inappropriate for them to simultaneously argue for both the unprecedented circumstances of massive change based on “work in progress” science and also for “business as usual” on withholding data and adverse facts. Pick one or the other –you can’t have both.
To summarize the article:
Everyone who puts forth a proposition of any kind, is psychologically (and potentially socially, or professionally, etc) invested in having it be true (otherwise, the proposer is wrong, and seems the fool in some regard).
Scientists who spend millions, or even billions on the basis of their propositions are therefore strongly invested in having their propositions be true (or at least not proven false).
Theo Goodwin said,
“Invariably, they are Marxists.”
And Mark Luedtke said,
“The problem is government funding of science.”
I agree so much I thought they should be repeated.
Government funding of science will almost always push an agenda and Marxists are the big group pushing right now. I am sure most realize that CAGW isn’t really about science, it’s about power and control, and when seen through that lens, all the mad gyrations and ludicrous stances make perfect sense.
And thank you to everyone here for the elegance of their posts. When I found this site a few months ago I thought, “Thank God there are educated people who feel the same I do about CAGW – I am not alone” … and I feel that way more every day 🙂
I didn’t read any further than this:
But such outrage has been naive because it has been premised on the assumption that scientists are – and should be – dispassionate seekers after truth.
Since it is certain that some profession should be “dispassionate seekers after truth” and Kealey is implying that this is possible, it follows that Kealey is wrong.
I’m glad he got it over with quickly.
by Dr Terence Kealey, Vice-Chancellor, University of Buckingham
Member of the Academic Advisory Council for the Global Warming Policy Foundation
The Mont Pelerin Society Meeting Seminar on Science, Scepticism and the Future. Sydney, Australia, October 2010
I have to admit to being a little confused here. The GWPF is ostensibly a skeptic organization. I read this some time ago elsewhere and remain befuddled that an advisor to the GWPF would offer what certainly appears to be an apologia for the bad behavior of the CRU crew and an endorsement of PNS thinking. Is it possible Dr. Kealey mangled his message?
It is asserted above that “the scientists and advocates see their prime responsibility as being the putting forward of the best arguments to support their case/client, and they delegate the adjudication over impartial ‘truth’ to the jury of peers.”
This is not so in my experience. With formal work, as opposed to the hurly burly over a drink after hours, the prime responsibility that my scientist friends express is truth and honesty. They put forward their best approach to truth, knowing that truth is seldom able to be proved.
The “loaded argument” advocacy argument is uncommon. Rather, good scientists ask for early help when their arguments show promise but lack completion.
Often, they will not publish until they have a rounded story. (e.g. Newton did not explain “I saw an apple leave a tree and go elsewhere”.) This is in strong contrast with current practices, where much poor climate science is floated as complete when it has holes that wagons would fit through. Especially noted when an IPCC deadline approaches.
“…And when contemporary geologists measured the temperature of the molten core…”
There really isn’t a need to read further to appreciate how little Kealey appreciates the scientific concepts such as “measure”, as opposed to “guesstimate” or even “pull from one’s posterior”. How, pray tell did said 19th Century geologists measure the temperature at the core of the Earth, when we still haven’t drilled beyond the extreme uppermost part of the upper mantle?
In any case, the “example” he tries to use was actually at its core a dispute between geologists and biologists who had relevant domain specific, observation based knowledge on one side, and (predominantly) physicists on the other who were claiming to know vastly more than they actually did and ignoring their utter ignorance of key features of the system they claimed to understand, instead appealing to the authority of Lord Kelvin to carry the day. Hmm, sounds like a vaguely familiar situation. The respected authority was, of course, utterly wrong.
Lyell and others hadn’t been “apparently falsified”, they just weren’t with the consensus. They knew that the other side’s model was wrong, although not the specifics of why (since nobody knew radioactive decay was the driving heat source). Why would they abandon their ideas, based on sound observation, on they say so of a group of dilettantes with connections?
I too was in total dismay after I had read the article above, and my first reactions were similar to all those comments above.
After about 30 seconds, I realized there was something greater going on here.
This guy, Dr Terence Kealey, has realized the CAGW fraud is fast becoming a train wreck, approaching the brick wall at high speed with no brakes.
In his mind, he is trying to limit the damage, i.e. He is trying to negotiate his way out of harms way using a method known as “dispersion of guilt”. This is common knee jerk tactics when the wrong doer is caught with his hand in the cookie jar. “People have committed this crime before so it can’t be all that bad.” “They were worse than me so I must be better”.
A complete chapter could be written again on this, but you get my drift !
Thus the “plea bargain” in the justice system, because the criminal mind is at the point to bargain for a lesser degree of guilt.
This attempt at negotiation, part of the downfall procedure, is at last an admission that there are some in the ACGW camp that know that the scam is finished, and soon.
Best news since November 19, 2009. Get the popcorn and watch the wreck
I too was in total dismay after I had read the article above, and my first reactions were similar to all those comments above.
After about 30 seconds, I realized there was something greater going on here.
This guy, Dr Terence Kealey, has realized the CAGW fraud is fast becoming a train wreck, approaching the brick wall at high speed with no brakes.
In his mind, he is trying to limit the damage, i.e. He is trying to negotiate his way out of harms way using a method known as “dispersion of guilt”. This is common knee jerk tactics when the wrong doer is caught with his hand in the cookie jar. “People have committed this crime before so it can’t be all that bad.” “They were worse than me so I must be better”. A complete chapter could be written again on this, but you get my drift ! Thus the “plea bargain” in the justice system, because the criminal mind is at the point to bargain for a lesser degree of guilt.
This attempt at negotiation, part of the downfall procedure, is at last an admission that there are some in the ACGW camp that know that the scam is finished, and soon.
Best news since November 19, 2009. Get the popcorn and watch the wreck
I found myself surprised by the eloquence and reasoned thinking of most of the comments here.
However, all Kealey really said was: “Scientists are generally paid for producing results. ‘Climate scientists’ are paid out of the public purse, so don’t be surprised that they produce results which the politicians want, namely justification to increase taxes.”
He did not say this was right, but rather you should not be surprised to learn what really motivates the Team and those behind the IPCC to produce their data distorted reports.
In defense of Pythagoras, since this is the first time I heard of this, and since the irrationality of the square root of two was known before Hypassus time,
Plato in his Theaetetus,[16] describes how Theodorus of Cyrene (c. 400 BC) proved the irrationality of √3, √5, etc. up to √17, which implies that an earlier mathematician had already proved the irrationality of √2.
……
In the hands of modern writers this combination of vague ancient reports and modern guesswork has sometimes evolved into a much more emphatic and colourful tale. Some writers have Hippasus making his discovery while on board a ship, as a result of which his Pythagorean shipmates toss him overboard;[20] while one writer even has Pythagoras himself “to his eternal shame” sentencing Hippasus to death by drowning, for showing “that √2 is an irrational number.”[21]
Seems that , like the da Vinci myths, real history and fiction get mixed up.
and I agree with Gary Crough December 29, 2010 at 5:58 pm ,
that science is a discipline coming out of the enlightenment and Renaissance.
I disagree that these are two different lines:
Science (the scientific method) was the tool that allowed seekers of knowledge to break away from both the word of the Pope and the word of the dead Greek experts.
The word of the Pope was what kept progress in science for 1500 years and the dead Greek experts in the forefront. If Christianity had not prevailed in the form it did, knowledge would have evolved naturally. It was the christian dogma that wanted to see the world through the bible that latched on to the Aristotelian propositions of science, instead of the numerous others that also had been proposed, from the heliocentric system of Aristarchos to the atoms of Demokritos a lot of seeds grown after the enlightenment existed equal in philosophic value as the Aristotelian view. If they were taught in the normal process of education, progress in science would have come centuries earlier, as is the natural process of things..
It was the straight jacket imposed on thought ( thought police) that led to the lynching of Hypatia of Alexandria by maddened christian monks .Hypatia was the last great thinker in the line of greek philosophers and scientists. Christian dogma was also responsible for the burning of the Alexandrian library and all those pagan blasphemies.
Theophilus, Bishop of Alexandria, who ordered the destruction of the Serapeum in 391.[1]