Australia swaps summer for Christmas snow
Excerpts from Physorg.com
Snow and ice covering buildings and cars on December 19, 2010 at Mount Hotham,Victoria, as snow fell in Australia. The usual hot and summery December weather was replaced in parts by icy gusts sweeping up from the Southern Ocean, giving the country a taste of a white Christmas. Snow has fallen in parts of east coast states New South Wales and Victoria.
Snow fell in Australia on Monday, as the usual hot and summery December weather was replaced in parts by icy gusts sweeping up from the Southern Ocean, giving the country a taste of a white Christmas.
Snow has fallen in parts of east coast states New South Wales and Victoria, leaving ski resorts — some of which are usually snow-free at this time of year — with dumps of up to 10 centimetres (four inches).
“It’s white, everything is white,” Michelle Lovius, the general manager of the Kosciuszko Chalet Hotel at Charlotte Pass told AFP.
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Lovius said such an amount of snow was unusual for early December, normally the peak of the wildflower season in the New South Wales mountain region.
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Further south in Victoria state, Mt Hotham had 10 centimetres of snow on Sunday and Mt Buller up to five centimetres, Victorian Snow Report spokeswoman Maureen Gearon said.
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The cold blasts carried through to Sydney, where the temperature fell to 13 degrees Celsius (55 degrees Fahrenheit) early Monday, and dipped to 9.8 Celsius in the city’s west while winds of up to 100 kilometres (62 miles) an hour are forecast for much of the state’s coastline.
It was a different story on Australia’s west coast, where the worst flooding in 50 years isolated the town of Carnarvon, 900 kilometres north of Perth.
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Here’s some data:
All that rain seen in the plot above happened before the December flooding mentioned above…and the temperature today? Hardly summerlike continent-wide:
Townsville in the Northeast was balmy (isn’t it always?) but the vast majority of the country was well below normal. Bear in mind, this isn’t just a few stations at a few cities. I got a healthy respect for the size of the continent when I gave my tour with David Archibald in June. This can help you visualize the size:
Image from Mr_P’s blog here
Meanwhile, George Monbiot with the help of the kids at the “Climate Rapid Response Team”, try to argue that the cold and snow in England is a localized event.
George helpfully provides a link to NASA GISS’s map generator along with this hotsy totsy prose:
Last month’s shows a deep blue splodge over Iceland, Spitsbergen, Scandanavia and the UK, and another over the western US and eastern Pacific. Temperatures in these regions were between 0.5C and 4C colder than the November average from 1951 and 1980. But on either side of these cool blue pools are raging fires of orange, red and maroon: the temperatures in western Greenland, northern Canada and Siberia were between 2C and 10C higher than usual. Nasa’s Arctic oscillations map for 3-10 December shows that parts of Baffin Island and central Greenland were 15C warmer than the average for 2002-9.
Here’s that map, plotted with the defaults at GISS (same link as George provided), showing their world famous 1200km smoothed map, where data is “splodged” to places where there really isn’t any:
The reason there is “no data” is that there are no weather stations in the middle of the Arctic Ocean or Southern Ocean. This is fact, and GISS knows this. Watch carefully for the next image.
As proof of the “no data”issue, let’s plot GISS with 250 KM smoothing, by simply changing the GISSplotter pulldown menu:
Hey, that’s a lot of gray, note the caveat in yellow about missing data:
All the sudden, those “raging fires of orange, red and maroon” don’t look so big, do they George? There’s no reds, oranges or yellows over northern Greenland, or Iceland, or the East Siberian Sea, or most of Africa, and much of Antarctica’s coastline and the southern ocean.
In fact, a lot of those isolated red and maroon splotches in Greenland, Canada, and Russia are single data points. Yep, GISS takes data from these stations and smears the effect writ large on the 1200KM smoothing map. Journalists like yourself often don’t notice, they simply see the issue in shades of smeared red.
And guess what George? In those remote locations like Nuuk, Greenland, (see arrow, under a red splotch in SW Greenland) what have we there? Remote pockets of humanity. Humanity building little cities of warmth in the cold Arctic, growing cities:
With 15,469 inhabitants as of 2010, Nuuk is the fastest-growing town in Greenland, with migrants from the smaller towns and settlements reinforcing the trend. Together with Tasiilaq, it is the only town in the Sermersooq municipality exhibiting stable growth patterns over the last two decades. The population increased by over a quarter relative to the 1990 levels, and by nearly 16 percent relative to the 2000 levels.
Nuuk population growth dynamics in the last two decades. Source: Statistics Greenland
Nuuk is not only a growing city, where UHI might now be a factor (but don’t take my word for it, see what NASA had to say about it at AGU this year), it is also a place where the official GHCN thermometers used by NASA are right next to human influences…like turboprop jet exhaust, such as this one in Nuuk’s airport right on the tarmac:
Nuuk Airport looking Southwest Image: Panaramio via Google Earth
Nuuk Airport, Stevenson Screen. Image from Webshots – click to enlarge
Hmmm, I wonder what happened in Nuuk? The plot below is from NASA GISS (see it yourself here). No wonder George sees red dots on the map in Greenland. That “instant global warming” line seems out of character for natural variation in Nuuk. Note the data discontinuity. Often that suggests a station move.
And here’s the interesting thing. Nuuk is just one data point, one “raging red” anomaly in the sparsely spaced hands-on-human-measured NASA GISS surface temperature dataset for the Arctic. The patterns of warm pockets of humanity with airports and GHCN stations repeat themselves all over the Arctic, because as anyone who has visited the Arctic knows, aviation is the lifeline of these remote communities. And where do they measure the weather data? At the airport of course. Aviation doesn’t work otherwise.
See my complete report on the weird temperatures from Nuuk here. And while you are at it George, read my report about the weird temperatures from Svalbaard, another warm single data point from NASA GISS. Interestingly, at that station a local citizen did some science and proved the UHI effect at the airport.
Yes these are just two examples. But there is no denying these facts:
- Remote communities in the Arctic are islands of anthropogenic warmth
- These communities rely of aviation as a lifeline
- The weather is measured at these airports, it is required for safety
- Airports release huge amounts of waste heat, from exhaust, de-icing, terminal buildings, and even tarmac in the sun.
- The majority of GHCN weather stations (used by NASA GISS) in the Arctic are at airports.
So, George, when using NASA GISS to prove to your readers that warm pocket weather patterns elsewhere cause cold in England:
There is now strong evidence to suggest that the unusually cold winters of the last two years in the UK are the result of heating elsewhere.
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The global temperature maps published by Nasa present a striking picture.
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But on either side of these cool blue pools are raging fires of orange, red and maroon: the temperatures in western Greenland, northern Canada and Siberia were between 2C and 10C higher than usual.
Remember Nuuk and Svalbarrd’s thermometers, and then ask Jim Hansen why NASA GISS, a “space studies agency”, doesn’t use satellite data but instead relies upon a surface record that another division of NASA says likely has significant UHI effects that NASA GISS doesn’t filter out sensibly (they only allow for 0.05°C downward adjustment).
Be careful of the colors, George.
Speaking of colors, George doesn’t dare link/show you this image of the monster La Niña though (or maybe he’s simply unaware), where there’s scads of actual satellite measured data:
Look at all that colder water surrounding Britain, look at the size of the Pacific La Niña and the swath in the Atlantic of cool water and compare it to the size of Britain. That splotch of red by Greenland may be partly due to a somewhat persistent blocking high, much like the one that caused the heat wave in Russia this year.
Since George argues with colors, how about this one from UNISYS? No “raging fires of orange, red and maroon” on this one, but there are some warm pockets south of Greenland. The Pacific Warm Pool north of Australia even seems anemic.
UNISYS Current Sea Surface Temperature Anomaly Plot – click to enlarge
The oceans are the biggest heat sink on the planet, and there are no cities, no airports, no asphalt sea surfaces to bias the data. There’s no immediate human influence on the sea surface where the satellites look. The sea tells a different story that the human touched thermometers on land at airports, and the sea has no reason to boast its temperature.
The sea — this truth must be confessed — has no generosity. No display of manly qualities — courage, hardihood, endurance, faithfulness — has ever been known to touch its irresponsible consciousness of power. – Joesph Conrad
So George, I ask you: “hottest year ever” or “hottest year at the airport”?
For more on La Niña and its effects in our current year, have a look here, particularly the Nino3.4 graph.
I should add this: I’m not denying that we’ve had a warm year. In fact we started out 2010 with a strong El Niño and ended with a strong La Niña, as illustrated here:
In the space of a single year, we’ve had a complete reversal. The forecast is for it to go even lower:
So in cooler times ahead in the dip of La Niña, the question is this: will we still see those “raging fires of orange, red and maroon” in the Arctic? NASA GISS history during the peak of the 2008 La Niña suggests we very well might:
Addendum 12/22
I added this in comments, so I’ll add it here also:
And finally, can you really trust data from an organization that takes incoming data for that station and shifts it more than an entire degree C in the past, making a new trend? See the difference between “raw” (which really isn’t raw, it has a scads of adjustments already from NOAA) compared to the GISS final output in this chart:
The data is downloaded from GISS for the station, datasets 1 and 2 were used (raw-combined for this location and homogenized) which are available from the station selector via a link to data below the charts they make on the GISS website. The data is plotted up to the data continuity break, and again after. The trend lines are plotted to the data continuity break, and there’s no trend in the raw data for the last 100+ years.
The curious thing is that there’s no trend in the raw data at Nuuk until you do either (or both) of two things:
1. You use GISS homogenized data to plot the trend
2. You use the data after the discontinuity to plot the trend
I believe the data discontinuity represents a station move, one that exposed it to a warmer local environment. And clearly, by examining the GISS data for Nuuk, you can see that GISS adds adjustments that are not part of the measured reality. What justification could there possibly be to adjust the temperatures of the past downwards? What justification in a growing community (as shown by the population curve) could there be for doing an adjustment that is reverse of waste energy UHI?
Australia swaps summer for Christmas snow
December 20, 2010 
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Snow and ice covering buildings and cars on December 19, 2010 at Mount Hotham,Victoria, as snow fell in Australia. The usual hot and summery December weather was replaced in parts by icy gusts sweeping up from the Southern Ocean, giving the country a taste of a white Christmas. Snow has fallen in parts of east coast states New South Wales and Victoria.
Snow fell in Australia on Monday, as the usual hot and summery December weather was replaced in parts by icy gusts sweeping up from the Southern Ocean, giving the country a taste of a white Christmas.
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Snow has fallen in parts of east coast states New South Wales and Victoria, leaving ski resorts — some of which are usually snow-free at this time of year — with dumps of up to 10 centimetres (four inches).
“It’s white, everything is white,” Michelle Lovius, the general manager of the Kosciuszko Chalet Hotel at Charlotte Pass told AFP.
“First thing this morning everything was just very still, very peaceful and every single thing was just blanketed in a thick cover of white.”
Lovius said such an amount of snow was unusual for early December, normally the peak of the wildflower season in the New South Wales mountain region.
“We’re hoping that it (the cold) stays in for five days and we get a white Christmas,” she said.
Further south in Victoria state, Mt Hotham had 10 centimetres of snow on Sunday and Mt Buller up to five centimetres, Victorian Snow Report spokeswoman Maureen Gearon said.
“It is a blanket of white, which is beautiful at this time of year. People are out in their Santa hats taking photos in the snow,” Gearon told Australian news agency AAP.
Snow and ice covering buildings and ski lifts at Mount Hotham, Victoria, December 19, 2010 as snow fell in Australia. The cold blasts carried through to Sydney, where the temperature fell to 13 degrees Celsius (55 degrees Fahrenheit) early Monday, and dipped to 9.8 Celsius in the city’s west
The cold blasts carried through to Sydney, where the temperature fell to 13 degrees Celsius (55 degrees Fahrenheit) early Monday, and dipped to 9.8 Celsius in the city’s west while winds of up to 100 kilometres (62 miles) an hour are forecast for much of the state’s coastline.It was a different story on Australia’s west coast, where the worst flooding in 50 years isolated the town of Carnarvon, 900 kilometres north of Perth.
Weather experts said it was not unusual for Australia to experience chilly weather in eastern states in early December, as cold winds from deep in the Southern Oceans sweep upwards.
“It’s not uncommon to get a dusting of snow along the higher peaks of New South Wales and Victoria every couple of years (at this time),” Bureau of Meteorology climatologist Grant Beard told AFP.
Gearon agreed, saying that in previous years, those on the Victorian snowfields had been “having cocktails in the sun one day and skiing the next”.
(c) 2010 AFP
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Let’s get something straight from the start…
I’m a fan of warmening! My old bones prefer warm!
Let’s start from pre-history when everything was hunky dory and ice was at its optimum level. (Pre1979).
Water in the tropics got warm, (as it does), then travelled towards the poles! (For the moment, let’s just look at the Arctic).
OK so that water moves north & when it gets there has nothing better to do than melt ice. Bugger! That doesn’t help the energy balance!
Move on a few years…
Water in the tropics gets warm and moves polewards. Loses energy to the atmosphere and space but not enough to balance energy as still melting ice.
Eventually…
Water in the tropics gets warm and moves polewards. Loses energy to the atmosphere and space but now loses too much energy to melt the ice and has overshot the balance. Oceans cool, ice re-grows & cycle re-starts.
DaveE.
Theo Goodwin says:
December 21, 2010 at 4:33 pm
“Excuse me. I assumed that climate scientists maintained some sort of connection to actual measured temperatures. I stand corrected.”
Excuse me. I assumed that you could understand what you read. It should be obvious that the averages are made with the actual measured temperatures. It is so difficult to understand?
Of course it does snow in that region in December. I’ve been hiking there in summer, and there is usually plenty of snow about.
However, the interesting aspect of the story is that 10 years ago the global warming alarmists were predicting that our (Australia’s) skiing industry would be gone in ten years.
Let me understand this Monbiot assertion. . . he relies on the Hansen NASA data, that have been shown to be mostly fabricated sensor data, to assert that scorching hot air is hanging out over the oceans while the northern hemisphere land masses are in the deep freeze?
Why hasn’t the Jet Stream blown that hot air onto the land masses? In the last 3 weeks of freezing cold, several weather fronts came off the Pacific onto western USA, across the plains and out to sea on the Atlantic, only to traverse that ocean and come ashore in Ireland, the UK and the EU.
How did the weather fronts make that journey and the hot air stay stationary over the oceans? If the scorching hot air did move onshore, how did it NOT heat the cold land mass? What mechanism was involved in this 3 week and counting violation of thermodynamics?
Perhaps the scorching hot air over the oceans is just a lot of “hot air.”
Monbiot is a drooling idiot, but a well paid one, who scribbles his blather for many to read and laugh at. Old Monty Python clips make more scientific sense than Georgie.
WOW! The Piers Corbyn story gets reported in the Australian MSM.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/theres-a-mini-ice-age-coming-says-man-who-beats-weather-experts-20101221-1945a.html
But I rather like the URL…
Anthony Watts wrote:
“REPLY:Sorry Eric, you must be color blind. The GISS plot shows surface anomaly values of maroon for 12.5C at Nuuk, while the RSS map value shows lower troposphere (14,000 feet) anomaly of 4-5C, and you say there’s no contribution of UHI at the surface? Quite a leap of faith for you for you don’t you think? At least I demonstrated bias at the actual source of the measurement, your argument is far removed. My issue is the magnitude of anomaly. I simply don’t believe it to be accurate for the surface data.”
Actually the GISS temperature map scale has maroon in the range of 4C to a maximum of 12.5. There is overlap between Giss data, based on the Nuuk station, and an anomaly of 4 to 5C from the satellite data.
I don’t have the actual data for Nuuk for November 2010. The Arctic Report Card shows that it was a warm in all of Greenland during the first half of 2010, and glaciers were melting there at record rates. These phenomena are not the result of an UHI at Nuuk and have nothing to do with exhaust from jet engines.
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/ArcticReportCard_full_report.pdf
REPLY: You keep arguing against an argument I’m not making. I’m not suggesting that there wasn’t warmth in the area, only that the temperature data is not accurate at Nuuk, and likely reads high, due to the placement of the weather station and the environment. You can’t exclude the conditions of the location, because the location is now documented. You are trapped in a positive feedback loop. The report uses weather station data, they say “wow, look how warm” sure, it was. But they rely on the same data from the same station you just cited also. Can you exclude jet exhaust. deicing, waste heat from APU’s to keep the planes operational, and placement on the tarmac simply because you don’t like the fact that it may make the weather station data unrepresentative? Can you snap your fingers and make those issue go away? No, you can’t.
And, can you really trust a map where they take a data point and assign such wide ranges of values, 4c up to 12.5 then use that single data point to smear all over a map for areas within 1200km where they have no data? Its absurd.
And finally, can you really trust data from an organization that takes incoming data for that station and shifts it more than an entire degree C in the past, making a new trend? See the difference between “raw” (which really isn’t raw, it has a scads of adjustments already from NOAA) compared to the GISS final output in this chart:
The data is downloaded from GISS for the station, datasets 1 and 2 were used (raw-combined for this location and homogenized) which are available from the station selector via a link to data below the charts they make on the GISS website. The data is plotted up to the data continuity break, and again after. The trend lines are plotted to the data continuity break, and there’s no trend in the raw data for the last 100+ years.
The curious thing is that there’s no trend in the raw data at Nuuk until you do either (or both) of two things:
1. You use GISS homogenized data to plot the trend
2. You use the data after the discontinuity to plot the trend
I believe the data discontinuity represents a station move, one that exposed it to a warmer local environment. And clearly, by examining the GISS data for Nuuk, you can see that GISS adds adjustments that are not part of the measured reality. What justification could there possibly be to adjust the temperatures of the past downwards? What justification in a growing community (as shown by the population curve) could there be for doing an adjustment that is reverse of waste energy UHI?
If you trust the GISS homogenized data, and the maps it makes, then your argument becomes one of acceptance of post facto data tampering to support a premise. Eric, you are backing the wrong horse. – Anthony
In light of the ongoing “Climategate” and “AGW” scandals, I would suggest the coining of a new oxymoron to complement “military intelligence”; I suggest: “scientific integrity”
Tony
Whoops. You are right. Sorry – 3.5x is correct.
How come politically correct dou#$bags can make a long post about something they obviously know nothing about?
This is WUWT, real scientists are talking here, go back to the children’s table
And Kate M, good to see you here, keep involved.
I will buy my CRC helmet in a few years,
I cherish SDA for giving me a home.
It snowed in Australia the night before last,
which makes global warming a thing of the past.
White Christmas down under,
a “hide the decline” blunder.
For snowflakes don’t lie. A white flag up the mast?
http://everestlancaster.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/snow-in-australia-at-christmas-a-limerick/
Amicus Curiae @ur momisugly 8:11
I remember Afferbeck Lauder! We were given a copy when we first went to Oz and we did see the point straightaway and thought it very funny. I don’t know where it is now though…must have a look around.
The temperatures were definitely rather low in Victoria when I was over recently, and it was very wet. The recent snow at Mt Hotham was a lot more than the snow I remember seeing at Falls Creek a week before Christmas in 1991. There was also snow on Christmas Day a few years ago, in the middle of the bushfires in the Alpine region of Vic.
While I certainly am no Monbiot sympathizer and consider myself on the skeptic end of the climate debate spectrum, it is indeed abnormally warm in the eastern Canadian arctic right now. Now am I saying that this is proof of cAGW and we should all be pooping our pants? No, absolutely not.
I work as an aviation weather briefer for the Canadian arctic, so while I don’t claim to be a meteorologist or climatologist I spend a lot of time weather watching (metars/tafs, surface analysis, upper air charts, ice charts etc.) and the weather is indeed high above normal for this time of year, take a look at this weekly forecast:
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/forecast/textforecast_e.html?Bulletin=fpcn56.cwnt
It’s actually cooled off in the past couple days and for much of December daytime highs were routinely 2-3 deg C above freezing.
As much as I respect the work Anthony has done to expose awful positioning of stevenson screens and as much as I’ve loved and learned from this blog, I think it’s disingenuous to invoke UHI in this instance.
http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/prods/WIS54DPTCT/20101213180000_WIS54DPTCT_0005390962.gif
The development of the international climate data base has been well documented and the methods have been thoroughly described in the open literature. If the methods described in papers such as this one are wrong, I am curious about what is thought to be the problem. If there is an error in what has been done to adjust the data, specifically what is that is wrong with the procedure outlined in this paper which describes what has been done, and why.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0477%281997%29078%3C2837:AOOTGH%3E2.0.CO;2
“Given the popularity of GHCN, researchers at
NCDC, CDIAC, and Arizona State University have
prepared an enhanced database to serve the everincreasing
demand for these data. This archive, GHCN
version 2, breaks considerable new ground in the field
of global climate databases. Enhancements include
1) data for additional stations to improve regionalscale
analyses, particularly in previously data-sparse
areas; 2) the addition of maximum–minimum temperature
data to provide important climate information
not available in mean temperature data alone (e.g.,
Karl et al. 1993; Easterling et al. 1997); 3) detailed
assessments of data quality to increase the confidence
in research results; 4) rigorous and objective homogeneity
adjustments to decrease the effect of nonclimatic
factors on the time series; 5) detailed metadata
(e.g., population, vegetation, topography) that allow
more detailed analyses to be conducted; and 6) an infrastructure
for updating the archive at regular intervals
so that current climatic conditions can constantly
be put into historical perspective. This paper describes
these enhancements in detail.”
re: Amino Acids :-
It took 3 hard blows between the eyes to stop the Millerites’ hysteria – and they at least admitted that their predictions were refuted …
That’s one big difference – the present crop of enthusiasts hasn’t had to pay a price for being wrong. At least not yet …
Anthony, since you posted this, as a Victorian resident, I can advise that we had 30cm (1 foot) of snow on Mt Buller – on the summer solstice – IN AUSTRALIA!!
However, people need not be alarmed. That very highest point of world civilisation, the Boxing Day cricket test match at the MCG, will go ahead as planned, and to a record crowd. Whew!
from mars says:
December 20, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Good sensible post. The satellite data confirms that England and Northern Europe was an island of cold surrounded by warm areas of Southern Europe, Siberia, Eastern Canada and Greenland.
Also there is no firm evidence given, that the anomaly graph of Nuuk was a result of the urban heat island or engine exhaust or anything else, and no estimate of the size of these effects has been provided. It is just conjecture on Anthony’s part. The satellite data does confirm at least a 4C anomaly for the month of Nov.
The average temperature listed in the GISS data file for Nuuk for Nov 2010 is 1.2C. Looking back at the previous data for 1950-1980,
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/work/gistemp/STATIONS//tmp.431042500000.1.1/station.txt
there are no temperatures for Nov anywhere near -11C which would be needed to create an anomaly of 12C. In fact, the calculated anomaly neglecting the missing data for Nov in the 1970’s is about 4.5C, which is in the range shown in the satellite data.
There are other stations in Greenland that could be compared with Nuuk to determine whether the data is anomalous or not. That is the method used by Climatologists who study this type of thing to sort things out. Those types of studies are what resulted in the corrections to the raw data in the first place.
Egedesminde, population about 3,000, which is the closest, that has data from 1950 to 2010 has a similar jump in temperature to Nuuk for the last year shown on the graph.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=431042200000&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1
And so does Prins Christi:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=431043900003&data_set=1&num_neighbors=1
There is no evidence that economic growth has swollen the population of these two little towns or created an UHI.
REPLY: Gosh you are obstinate. You whisk away the idea of UHI, and at the same time, the adjustments done by GISS, with the wave of the hand, as if they can’t possibly be involved or contribute in the current high temperature plot. Maybe you need to read this story again.
Local effects of siting on temperature are not conjecture, they have been empirically measured, for example:
http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/atm/Vol21-2/ATM002100202.pdf
And I show a weather station on a tarmac, in a place that must be kept snow free, and has waste heat blowing all over the place. And you claim it can’t possibly be a portion of the measured data?
Even NOAA acknowledges siting issues, which is why we have the new Climate Reference Network. Siting is the key to these stations. If siting wasn’t important, this network would not exist. The make proper siting the #1 priority. Read the handbook here to see how painstakingly they selected sites and the criteria used, pioneered by Leroy.
Reference for site ratings: NOAA’s Climate Reference Network Site Handbook Section 2.2.1
http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/uscrn/documentation/program/X030FullDocumentD0.pdf
Also, surface data, isn’t the same as satellite data, true as I’ve said there is a warm anomaly shown in UAH/RSS data, worst case 4C, but GISS sloppily tags their maroon data over Nuuk with a range of 4C to 12.5C, so you can’t even be sure what you are looking at. Pick a number between 4 and 12.5 and call it driven by global warming. Is that science?
Bu most important, you neglect to even address the artificial adjustments done by GISS, simply saying its “in the peer reviewed literature”. True, but that doesn’t mean anything, especially when we have one NASA group now publishing a paper on UHI (at the link above I provided) showing values in the double digits of UHI effect for some cities, while NASA GISS, makes only a 0.05 degree adjustment for UHI, and no adjustment for siting effects in GHCN stations. GISS doesn’t even have the metadata right for GHCN, they can’t find many of the stations.
But let’s just ignore all that like you do and say for the sake of argument that none of it matters, using your idea that it is all just conjecture, the data measurement is pristine and unpolluted. If we have perfect data, answer this, and this is a requirement for continued dialog since you ignored it before.
Explain the rationale (and “its in the peer reviewed lit” doesn’t count as an answer) why it is OK to adjust data, post facto, to make the 1880’s well over a degree cooler in the data graph I plotted.
Explain why GISS plots the resultant homogenized data as a single data point, then smears it either over 250 km or 1200 km, and creates data where there is none, then presents that to the world as being valid.
I’ll get to the questions about the other two stations after some further research. There’s more than meets the eye about these stations.
– Anthony
Eadler writes:
“There are other stations in Greenland that could be compared with Nuuk to determine whether the data is anomalous or not. That is the method used by Climatologists who study this type of thing to sort things out. Those types of studies are what resulted in the corrections to the raw data in the first place.”
One of the most important points that I have learned over several year of following climate science is that climate scientists have no respect for the raw data, no respect for being on the ground, no respect for experience whatsoever. If there are to be corrections to the raw data, they should be the result of a new measurement regime that is satisfactory to climate scientists and to sceptics of global climate disruption.
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The reliance on temperature recording stations that have experienced buildup around them was asserted by C.E. Wallington in the early 90’s. He thought global warming was a scam then perpetrated by meteorologists seeking grants to “study” the trend. Heaven forbid that the fraud should ever be exposed, which explains why the proponents fight so viciously to perpetuate the crisis. How would all that research be justified if the doctoring and misuse of the data was acknowledged?
http://www.heliogenic.net/2010/12/08/japan-proxy-study-validates-solar-magnetic-field-climate-link-during-maunder-minimum/
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Hmph! Obviously the authors have succumbed to the “time’s arrow” fallacy, thinking that causality can only move forward. I’m sure the DCS (Damage Control Squad) will be on the case directly. SM? LS? RU there?