From the “weather is not climate department” – New record low temperatures set in Cancun for three straight days, and more new low temperature records are possible this week.
Dr. Roy Spencer, who is in Cancun representing climate skepticism on behalf of CFACT writes on his blog:
Today’s my first full day in Cancun at COP-16, and as I emerged from my hotel room I was greeted by a brisk, dry, cool Canadian breeze.
It was 54 deg. F in Cancun this morning — a record low for the date. (BTW, Cancun is nowhere near Canada).
Al Gore is not supposed to be here…but it could be that the Gore Effect has announced his secret arrival. We will check into this.
Here’s the record for today from Weather Underground:
The old record low temperature of 57°F was bested today by four degrees.
And for the previous two days, new record lows have been set:
The weather forecast for the week ahead does not look encouraging, additional low temperature records may be set:
Here are existing Record Lows and Forecast Lows in upcoming days:
Wednesday: 53 °F (2003) Forecast: 51°F
Thursday: 60 °F (2000) Forecast: 59°F
Friday: 60 °F (1999) Forecast: 55°F
Saturday: 57 °F (2003) Forecast: 53°F
Sunday: 55 °F (2008) Forecast: 51°F
The Cancun delegates certainly live in “interesting times”.
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h/t’s to WUWT readers Barry L. and “Amino acids in meteorites”
I would suggest, instead, to ban glucose and all its derivatives, as it increases the probability of diabetes and causes everybody to grow fat. [/sarc off]
A well timed Gore affect does much more to sway the minds of the public that ten books by Dr. Richard Lindzen. Could God be trying to tell Al Gore something?
George Monbiot certainly feels God is NOT on his side. See
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2010/dec/02/cancun-climate-change-summit-monbiot
Some quotes from the article:
“Now He’s at it again. Last week, just before the resumption of last year’s failed climate talks, the UK recorded its lowest temperature for 25 years, just down the road from where I live.”
“God, alongside half the corporate world and many of its most powerful legislators, has declared war on the climate talks.”
All we need now is a solar eclipse so I can use the phrase:
Let the b$tds freeze in the dark.
I know none of the AGW skeptics want to believe that a cold Europe and cold U.S. in the winter can have anything to do with the atmospheric pressure changes that could be related to global warming, but here is a good read from June of this year for those who want to be a bit more open minded:
http://www.physorg.com/news195485722.html
The sequence of high pressure systems that we’ve seen more or less parked over the Arctic for much of th past year is unusual it both intensity, duration, and extent, and could very well be related to the so-called “Dipole Anomaly” that we’ve discussed on occasion here on WUWT and even tangentially to the Russian heat have from this summer. It is of course, all to easy to look at colder weather in Europe or America and say “what global warming!?” but when it is warmer further north from you, (such as Greenland, which is seeing record warmth in parts this week), you might want to look for mechanisms, and if there is some plausible mechanism suggested (such as mentioned in the article above), it would seem like an open minded person would care to at least consider it.
JER0ME:{December 8, 2010 at 6:29 am}
My post was ” Just a reminder. Citrus fruit requires cold weather to sweeten. It evolved that way for a reason.”
You said: “Funny how they are always grown in hot climates, eh?
Some seem to respond well to cold, such as satsumas, but most like warm, warm, warm!”
Please note that I did not refer to growing citrus, I referred to how it sweetens with cold weather. Obviously cold weather is part of the natural variation in areas where citrus grows. So nothing really unusual about this weather in my part of Florida, I just hate it.
I am no longer an Atheist. I believe in Gaia, and I believe She is pissed that these hubris-driven humans assert that they are more powerful than she in controlling the weather. But Gaia, being great and merciful, only expresses her anger with a little bit of cold at these humans’ homelands (Europe, NA) and vacation spots Cancun.
Of course, if they keep it up She will show them real climate change: a good ol’ Ice age.
R. Gates, once again you are talking about something you think is new and/or unusual, but those of us who have widely read about Arctic weather systems in tandem with ENSO factors see nothing unusual about the current scenario. Even if your CO2 warmed theory has merit, the AGW enhanced warming you speak of is well within the natural variation of such temperature differences. You propose a theory without merit.
R. Gates says:
December 8, 2010 at 4:47 pm
I know none of the AGW skeptics want to believe that a cold Europe and cold U.S. in the winter can have anything to do with the atmospheric pressure changes that could be related to global warming, but here is a good read from June of this year for those who want to be a bit more open minded:
http://www.physorg.com/news195485722.html
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Been there done that read that.
Nothing new under the sun.
As far as “open-minded” you are really trying to be the flea…trying to wag the tail….which is trying to wag the dog, aren’t you?
The open minded individual is the one who can weed out the weak theories and conjectures….in a search for the truth.
And the weak theory (conjecture) du jour is the bumbling 800 pound gorilla named CAGW that is trying to stomp out everything in the room.
It may be powerful, because it is well-fed and well-funded to the tune of billions and billions of dollars. But it knows its days are numbered.
Natural Selection will take care of that.
In the meantime, we have significant blocking in the arctic, this one named Rex maybe the next one that comes along named Omega.
But big ******* deal they have been there many many many MANY times before.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
What I am wondering…If one would see this cold through 17th century European eyes, so without knowing the temperature anomaly pushing temperatures in the Arctic and other less ventured places (in those times). Would there be some ice-age scare already?
Or..
Is there a possibility that during the LIA there was some +30 degrees anomaly sitting at the Arctic pushing the ‘Global Temperature Anomaly’ up to todays values (based on the current baseline)…
It is probably better to define the average temperature (anomaly) to a scale at most being a climate zone, then to an ‘Average Global Temperature (Anomaly)’ me thinks.
R Gates!
Do you see any trend in the AO over the last 60 years??
http://www.climate4you.com/AirPressureVariations.htm#The%20Arctic%20Oscillation%20(AO)
No trend whatsoever.
Incredible variability from the the peaks of 1990 etc and the troughs of this year (not shown on this graph) and back in 77.
But no trend….except that every season is trending toward…being highly variable.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
December 8 data for Cancun, says that the temperature hit 50 degrees F.
Check out the graph.
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/MMUN/2010/12/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA
This is the coolest December temperature reading in Cancun since records have been kept.
Crazy weather.
Of course….this is all caused by CO2 no doubt.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
John McManus says:
December 8, 2010 at 9:02 am
John and everybody else who makes comments about “conditions here”, please tell us where “here” is.
Thanks.
IanM
E.M.Smith says:
December 8, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Philip Foster says:
JEM:
Don’t be too sure about Hades.
Piers Corbyn’s summary for this winter for the UK ….
Here’s a 5 minute video of that 2010/11 winter summary:
“R. Gates says:
December 8, 2010 at 4:47 pm”
Threads on other blogs attribute the bush fires in Israel to AGW when in fact it was started by a 14 year old boy, lead to a fire storm and killed ~40 people. But any fire or hot weather anywhere is proof of AGW right?
I think God looks down every once in a while to humor Al Gore and remind him that God alone control the thermostat on this planet that He created.
I cannot see it any other way. It is a 100% continuous pattern so far. I am starting to believe the Old Rabbi that always said “coincidence is not a kosher word”
Arnie Madsen
Manitoba Canada
Polar Bear Capitol of the world.
5000 Polar bear count in 1945
25,000 Polar bear count in 2008
…. not counting the two in Al Gore’s propaganda film.
… be careful who you believe folks. Best regards.
Please look at the past before commenting on the present.
and recently the experts have declared:
rw says: December 8, 2010 at 11:50 am
“Thus far, none of what’s happened has dented the belief in AGW. There’s just a growing frustration that the message isn’t getting out – obviously due to some fringe skeptics and their corporate sponsors. The cold? It’s just a local effect.”
A classic stage one response (denial) with a touch of stage two (anger – blaming someone else). Notice the term “belief” used as well …
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/the-death-of-the-agw-belief-system/
Pointman
Jimbo, Pamela Gray, Patrick Davis, et al…..
Of course R Gates will not (can not) respond to any of your excellent posts above, because the moment he senses the heat in the kitchen, he evaporates.
Can’t stand the heat, eh, R?
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
rw says:
December 8, 2010 at 11:50 am
Thus far, none of what’s happened has dented the belief in AGW. There’s just a growing frustration that the message isn’t getting out – obviously due to some fringe skeptics and their corporate sponsors. The cold? It’s just a local effect.
This saga still has a ways to go.
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Pshaw!
Could it be that the reason the “message isn’t getting out”….because it just ain’t true??
And this “saga” only has mileage because of Global Groupthink Disorder or “GGD”.
Such might be an appropriate syndrome name explaining the masses of media, organizations, and yes, even some of the elect, the “scientists”…who like chicken littles all over the planet are running around yelling: the “the world is warming!” the ice caps are melting!” “the oceans are rising!” “the oceans are turning to acid!”
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA
Ian:
Sorry: I posted twice in this thread but the comments are seperated by lots of others.
I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. I said Nova Scotia ( most people know it’s in Canada) but I didn’t specify in the second post because it was on the same subject. I will do better in the future.
We have lived here for 10 years. The creek I walk down to with the dogs each morning froze over completely until 2004. Since then it has come close but has not frozen completely. We’ll see this year.
Hudson Bay factory records have a long ( 200 year+) record of river freeze and thaw dates. Canadian rivers have lost a month or more of winter freeze over time.
The “Gore Effect” may be bringing cold to Cancun and northern Europe,but thanks to Ryan’s wonderful graphic we can see it kept and is keeping southern Europe anomalously warm.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Easterbrook-Cartoon.jpg.png
“Gore effect by proxy” – turns out that Tim Blair already came up with that one. He has a new post “Six Days of Gore” today in which he links to a Web cache of his January 16, 2007 post “Gore Effect by Proxy”.