What really goes on at COP16 in Cancun

I’m really disappointed that I didn’t get the “fossil of the day” award. Watch the presentation at COP16 and get some popcorn.

I wonder if the producers of Jurrasic Park gave permission to licensed use of the logo, of if they are just scofflaws?

h/t to Tom Nelson

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Gaylon
December 1, 2010 5:02 am

Hey, make all the jokes you want! Waah!! How can we possibly stand up to such an intellectual, intelligent, AND sophistcated onslaught as this? Surely Canada will listen, Shirley the rest of the world will listen? And then change their evil carbon ways in response to this, most excellent and thought provoking…burp… (sarc/off)…BARRRRGGHHFFF…sorry I just couldn’t keep going…don’t…feel…well..
Truly staggering: the level of idiocy this attains…YOU GO CANADA!

Gaylon
December 1, 2010 5:03 am

World’s response: Don’t call me Shirley!!

Richard Collins
December 1, 2010 6:05 am

What a bunch of absolute plonkers! We can all rest easy knowing the planet is in safe hands;-)

Woody
December 1, 2010 6:07 am

More useful idiots. Somewhere Lenin is smiling.

Dave Springer
December 1, 2010 6:34 am

@Anthony
I’m quite well aware of “fair use” policy. You evidently aren’t aware of transformative use. The Fossil of the Day folks are as innocent of trademark violation as you are due to material alteration of the logo and transformative use. And I’m afraid you really stuck your foot in your mouth about commercial use being irrelevant – it’s the first thing mentioned in the statute section on exceptions:

§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

The Fossil of the Day website has no paid advertising on it, they aren’t selling things for a profit (like Weather Widget software and electronic gimcracks), so they’re in the clear for commercial nature (1) where in your case it’s not so clear.
In both cases the use is transformative as neither of you are advertising movies or making any use that could somehow be construed to harm (4) the studio or whoever owns the Jurrasic Park logo so it appears you’re both safe on that count.
The Fossil of the Day is clearly and substantially altered whereas you displayed an exact copy. Thus you’d fail the test for (3) and it would be a judgement call for whether Fossil of the Day used enough of the original mark to be infringing.
People who live in glass houses (and don’t know the law) shouldn’t throw stones.
REPLY: Heh, you haven’t a clue what you are talking about. And if you had been aware of “fair use” you would have mentioned it the first time. Sorry. I’m doing reporting. As you point out, “news reporting” is defined as fair use, something I’ve known for a long time. Using the logo in the article is indeed fair use, just as a newspaper might use the logo in a news story. Does the fact that the newspaper sells advertising for “widgets” negate the fair use for the purpose of a story? No. Would a newspaper or news website that used the logo to report on the movie, or something related to the movie be violating copyright even though other competing movies are advertised on the newspaper movie page? No. Neither is WUWT in using it in a news report with. Modifying a logo and making it your organization’s logo may be transformative, but as this thread demonstrates, everyone instantly recognizes it as the Jurassic Park logo. Perhaps not transformative enough?
Another example: Would a news story about fake Rolex watches violate the Rolex logo copyright by showing a comparison photo of two Rolex watches side by side, one real, one fake in the news story? Obviously not. My showing two Jurassic Park logos in a news story, one real, one fake (or transformative if you wish), is no different. Thus, your argument fails.
And…how do you know they aren’t selling “fossil of the day” t-shirts and knick knacks there at COP16? I see lots of things they have with that Jurassic Park turned fossil of the day logo printed on it all over the web. I guess we’ll just have to find out.
My question about whether they obtained clearance was an offhand remark of curiosity. But, since you’ve been so instrumental in elevating the issue beyond just a simple question of curiosity, I’m going to send a letter off to the licensing and merchandising department of Universal Studios to find out how they see the issue. If they have no problem with it, obviously I won’t either. – Anthony
UPDATE: I have received a reply from NBC Universal, they say it is NOT “fair use”.
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From: Lubliner, Roni (NBC Universal)
Date: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 2:16 PM
To: Anthony Watts – TV Weather
Subject: RE: Question about licensing Jurassic Park logo
I’m not aware of this company’s ability to use the logo. You might want to inquire how they got the rights to use it. It is not Fair use. If they don’t have authorization, eventually, someone will catch up with them.
Roni
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I’ve made an inquiry with the web page designer fossil-of-the-day.org which also prominently features the logo, to see if they can shed some light on it. – Anthony

Economic Geologist
December 1, 2010 7:01 am

Add me to the list of proud Canadians.
And don’t call me Shirley. (We’ll miss you Leslie – another great Canadian.)

Mark
December 1, 2010 8:00 am

It seems nobody in Cancun at all notices the irony in the gold-chump’s opening remarks.
Everyone transported to Cancun mainly by air. All gorged on food. All chillaxing by the beach. Blackberrys, laptops, computers, LCD TVs, air conditioning, etc. etc.
Yet each one convinced they are better than everyone else for trying to “save the planet.”
I’d laugh if it weren’t so awful.

Simmy
December 1, 2010 8:07 am

Canada the True North Strong and FREE!
We fought tyranny in WW2 and we’re ready to fight this tyrannical one world #$%^&*!
This proud Canuck knows where his bread is buttered.

allan
December 1, 2010 9:39 am

Proud to be Canadian.

Peter B
December 1, 2010 10:49 am

It would be great to point out that Canada has the strong economy while these other countries that these nitwits admire are going down the drain. The countries they admire will be sitting on street corners with their tin cups out in a few years looking for the rest of the world to save them. I can imagine the response they will get from China and I hope they get the same response from Canada. You can also be sure that 90% of those kids there will be also demanding aid from their countries so they can survive.

December 1, 2010 10:58 am

And to think we taxpayers are funding this toe-curlingly embarrassing activity. Still, rather them than me.

Craig B
December 1, 2010 12:06 pm

Speaking of Cancun, here in the UK (Scotland) the BBC failed to mention the Cancun Climate Summit. Not one word. Believe me this is a turning point in the AGW propaganda project.
Also, for the first time since it was opened in 1964, the mighty Forth Road Bridge was closed due to snow.

December 1, 2010 12:48 pm

Dave Springer
“In both cases the use is transformative as neither of you are advertising movies or making any use that could somehow be construed to harm (4) the studio or whoever owns the Jurrasic Park logo so it appears you’re both safe on that count.
The fact that these uses were outside the market is likely immaterial ( they’d get a cease and desist from my old legal department ). One test would be is the use likely to cause confusion or suggest an endorsement where there is none. generally speaking a company that knows how to protect its trademarks and brands will object to any use whatsoever of it’s marks, portions of it’s marks, even if they are transformed , especially if they are transformed as that can sully a mark you have spent millions promoting.
remember that mark is used to sell toys, books, movies, etc. not just movies.

Pull My Finger
December 1, 2010 12:52 pm

Those fat little dancers could likely do with less processed food and a few more fossil fuel free walks.

Pull My Finger
December 1, 2010 12:54 pm

Wow, one minute into this video this guy has proven to be a total, unadulterated, douche nozzle.

Jim G
December 1, 2010 1:07 pm

Dave L says:
November 30, 2010 at 3:39 pm
“The RED color of the flags was most appropriate. I am surprised though that I did not see a Watermelon somewhere in the background.”
Apparently you have heard that comparison as well. The eco freaks are like a watermelon,”Green on the outside and red on the inside”. How true, given that this entire Cancun hoedown is all about the redistribution of wealth. A shameless sham of a shakedown. Why, I am shocked, shocked at my production of an aliterative metaphor, and by accident!! Sorry, I just saw Casablanca again this week.

Tim Clark
December 1, 2010 1:30 pm

Economic Geologist says: December 1, 2010 at 7:01 am
Add me to the list of proud Canadians.
And don’t call me Shirley. (We’ll miss you Leslie – another great Canadian.)

I just want you to know, we’re all counting on you!

Rocky Horror
December 1, 2010 1:51 pm

The Telegraph reports:

Professor Kevin Anderson, Director of the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, said the only way to reduce global emissions enough, while allowing the poor nations to continue to grow, is to halt economic growth in the rich world over the next twenty years… The Second World War and the concept of rationing is something we need to seriously consider if we are to address the scale of the problem we face,” he said.

Professor Anderson needs to lead the way by example. Perhaps reducing his pay packet to a more sustainable level would help him avoid charges of hypocrisy.
And I would like to give a h/t to the website of Nonoy Oplas early in the thread, showing the lush extravagance of taxpayer-funded climate scientists, NGO’s and other lamprey-like hangers-on partying at the fabulous Moon Palace holiday beach resort at Cancun (all paid for by the unwilling, of course):
http://funwithgovernment.blogspot.com/2010/11/cancun-capitalism-vs-climate-socialism.html
O to be a U.N.-approved climate scientist, eh? Fun in the sun, gorging on lobster, caviar, brie and white wine, while scheming to raise taxes and transfer national wealth through the U.N. and into the pockets of cronies. Life is good!

Maren
December 1, 2010 1:55 pm

Craig B:
Too much snow, definitely, but maybe they could have coped if it wasn’t for the jackknifed lorry. However, one of the service managers did point out that this is probably the highest accumulation of snow they’ve seen since the bridge was opened in 1964.
http://www.dunfermlinepress.com/news/roundup/articles/2010/12/01/407773-police-blast-drivers-dangerous-practice-after-forth-road-bridge-closure/
Things might get even more interesting as the BBC forecast at 1.30 pm today suggested that the temperature in Scotland early Friday morning might be as low as -25 to -30 C, possibly breaking the lowest ever recorded of -27.2 C (last equalled in 1982). Not sure if it will get quite that cold, the forecasts last winter also suggested a new minimum record but it never happened in the end.

Marlene Anderson
December 1, 2010 2:10 pm

When you can keep your head while all about you are losing theirs, you’ll be a Canadian my child. (apologies to Kipling)
Hope this video is archived so when the definitive omnibus history of the decline and fall of AGW is written, this little gem will be available as reference material.

CRS, Dr.P.H.
December 1, 2010 3:47 pm

Awww, these little girls are cute!! (I’m a grandpa BTW). Too bad they have been seduced into the big GHG lie. No pressure.
Now, I could do without the fruitcake in the gold vest & hat….what the hell is this award supposed to signify, anyway??
I’d vote for James Hansen for CAGW Fossil of the Decade if I could.

Craig B
December 1, 2010 3:49 pm

Maren
I take it you are in Scotland too?
It’s bliddy freezing tonight.

Maren
December 1, 2010 4:17 pm

Craig B
Sunny Fife with a foot of snow in my garden. Just dug my thermometer out of the snow but it only shows -1 C (mind you it’s not a good one and right next to the window so it’s definitely colder than that). Kids off school possibly for the fourth day in a row tomorrow but they’re thankfully not bored of the snow! Bit bemused by it all, really, as a German I don’t think it’s that bad but the council clearly can’t cope. My parents live in Germany, on a rural road with just one neighbour and even that’s cleared daily but I reckon German councils simply have more snow ploughs/blowers and staff (as well as more money in the budget, most likely,) to cope with the winter.

Craig B
December 1, 2010 4:24 pm

Ah Maren, Fife, the birthplace of my beloved wife, from Ladybank with family in Lochgelly.
So far so good up here in Angus. Lots of salt on the roads but actually some of the local shops are running out of food. I’ve never seen that before.
I put it all down to “global warming”

Dave Worley
December 1, 2010 4:54 pm

It’s worse than I expected.