Cancun ends with "low hanging fruit", but fails to renew Kyoto

Maybe the failure had more to do with the caliber of people attending…like these McKibben zombies. Heads go in the sand at 8:45 in the video: 

From Politico:

Negotiators from about 190 countries reached a modest set of agreements early Saturday in Cancun on how to tackle global warming but punted some of the most controversial questions for a later date.

A year after U.N.-led talks all but collapsed in Copenhagen, delegates from countries large and small signed off on a package of low-hanging fruit that includes establishing a program to keep tropical rainforests standing, sharing low-carbon energy technologies and preparing a $100 billion fund to help the world’s most vulnerable cope with a changing climate.

“What we have now is a text that, while not perfect, is certainly a good basis for moving forward,” Todd Stern, the top U.S. climate official, said during the all-night bargaining session that culminated in approval of what’s known as the Cancun Agreement.Stern’s reluctant endorsement was echoed over and over into the early morning hours as diplomats scarred by the chaos in Copenhagen accepted a deal that fails to ratchet down greenhouse gas emissions anywhere close to scientific recommendations.

It also fails to establish a firm date for negotiators to reach a conclusion on a new climate treaty.

Diplomats struggled over the last two weeks at the Mexican resort town on some of those key questions and had essentially reached a standoff, forcing them to pick around the edges at ideas like technology, trees and adaptation, all of which could garner sufficient consensus.

The Cancun Agreement, for example, puts off until next year’s meeting in Durban, South Africa, or 2012, the debate over whether to extend the 1997 Kyoto Protocol. Russia, Canada and Japan insisted throughout the Cancun negotiations that they wouldn’t agree to a new set of commitments under Kyoto until the world’s three biggest polluters – China, India and the United States – accepted a role in the mandatory system too.

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PaulH

Looks rather chilly for a tropical Cancun beach. 😉

Lady Life Grows

We are NOT polluters, not on carbon dioxide anyway–that is good for living things.

e. c. cowan

‘….and preparing a $100 billion fund to help the world’s most vulnerable cope with a changing climate.’
Is this some sort of wealth redistribution from the western nations to 2rd, 3rd and 4th world countries?
Is it in the form of a Treaty, which would have to be ratified by the US Senate?
Lord Monckkton reported:
Monckton’s words in full as reported at SPPI (see below).
‘…The UN wants nothing less than 1.5% of our GDP.
That’s $212 billion from the USA every year ($2700 per family of 4).
That’s $32 billion from the UK every year ($2000 per family of 4).
That’s $13 billion from Australia every year ($2400 per family of 4).
Figures calculated from the CIA world Factbook
The Secretariat will have the power not merely to invite nation states to perform their obligations under the climate-change Convention, but to compel them to do so. Nation states are to be ordered to collect, compile and submit vast quantities of information, in a manner and form to be specified by the secretariat and its growing army of subsidiary bodies….’
THAT would be serious – more than ‘low hanging fruit’ – if this $100 Billion is just the usual ‘camel’s nose under the tent’ approach of the world government types.

Moemo

What a messed up young lady at the end there. Social Justice is all she really wants even though she really doesnt know what that means.

Douglas DC

Hint:Russia, Japan and Canada want out of Kyoto. Russia is “Carbon credits ‘R’ us”as is Japan and Canada. If they can’t sell the thin air and it can’t be converted to money,it ain’t going to happen. I suspect there will be even less enthusiasm next year
Maybe the hold it in Durban in July-hehehe…

Mike from Canmore

The Ostriches sticking their heads in the sand is a fitting metaphor because much like catastrophic AGW, it is a myth. What they do do is lay on the ground and blend in with environment and it seems to be pretty successful. Pretty close to the “Do Nothing” option. A much better action than anything the alarmists are proposing.

harrywr2

The reality is that we don’t need a ‘climate treaty’ to control emissions even if we believe in Global Warming.
Steam Coal on Global markets is now at the $120/tonne range which yields a fuel cost of $50-$60/MW for coal. Coal is no longer cost competitive with Nuclear or Hydro.
The wording in the Cancun document about ‘technology transfer’ is just diplo-speak for Gen IV nuclear technology without having to contribute any funds to the GenIV nuclear research currently being funded by the US,Canada,South Korea,Japan and the EU.

Hank Hancock

Because I don’t believe I could say it any differently, I’ll repeat what I opined over at the Air Vent…
Having been spellbound by prayer to the moon goddess Coyolxauhqui, filled to the gills with exotic foods, exhausted by the extravagant parties, and intoxicated with strong drink, how could they resist signing what their gracious UN party planners placed before them? With all the back patting and high five’ing over (not to mention barfing up last night’s hors d’oeuvres and mezcal), they must now go home and sell their deed to their respective governments and people. At this juncture, the party is over literally and figuratively. With the U.S. 112′th congress promising to cut the government budget, place on hold the sending of climate related funding to foreign governments, disbanding of congressional climate change committees, and the EPA starting to receive the jaundiced eye, this pig ain’t going to fly, no way, no how. They knew it when they signed. It’s another empty face saving press endearing farce these Corinthians have become so well known for.

Mike from Canmore

E.C. Cowan:
“THAT would be serious – more than ‘low hanging fruit’ – if this $100 Billion is just the usual ‘camel’s nose under the tent’ approach of the world government types.”
And that would just be the beachhead. Like Oliver, they would be back asking for more annually and hence committing 3rd world countries to perpetual begging.

Gary Pate

These people must not watch the news, climategate blew their hoax out of the water.
They must REALLY like that kool-aid….

Steve from Rockwood

Hi I’m from the Sierra youth group and I’m wearing a cool shirt and I’m a complete moron and I talk like a California girl and I think like a California girl.
“Some countries are going to lose their shoreline and their lives”.
There is too much money in the world when these people are paid to talk like that in Cancun. I prefer to pay for my own holidays.

kwik

Douglas DC says:
December 11, 2010 at 12:35 pm
“Maybe the hold it in Durban in July…”
I wonder…..what are the chances for a big Gore Effect in Durban, in July?

MarkG

“Like Oliver, they would be back asking for more annually and hence committing 3rd world countries to perpetual begging.”
Which is presumably the plan. There are few things the Left love more than addicting people to life-long welfare.

bucko36

“I Fear for My Country!”

Louis

These top scientists, with all their computer models and scientific concensus, can’t even pick a meeting place that is experiencing record highs rather than record lows during their conference. And we’re supposed to believe that they can predict what is going to happen in the distant future?
If these people are wrong about global warming, they would have us destroy the world’s greatests economies by drastically limiting energy use to reduce carbon for no good reason. And even if they are right, I would rather have the effects of global warming starve me to death in the future than allow these enviromentalists to kill me now. That’s exactly what will happen to many of us if we allow them to send us back to the stone age in a vain attempt at reducing CO2 to forestall global warming.
Population control is what they’re really after. It’s what the environmentalists have always been after. They’re not willing to wait for global warming to reduce the population because they don’t really believe their own propaganda. Only the useful idiots in hollywood and the media actually believe them. Global warming, climate disruption, global cooling, ddt, china syndrome, endangered species, acid rain, global famine, ad infinitum… are all just means to an end — to limit the population.

Athelstan.

Bog standard thinking = BS outcome.
We know its 888p, they know its c777p, we know, ‘they know’.
Reality?………………………..or NO!!!!!!!!
Let’s all, have another jolly!

CRS, Dr.P.H.

…I keep seeing references to a “Mexican standoff,” including a quote from former Pres. Bill Clinton. Uh, isn’t that a slightly insulting term to the Mexicans?
Recall Jimmy Carter’s wisecrack about having “Montezuma’s Revenge” during a state visit to Mexico! That raised a fuss!
This decision to punt is not a surprising outcome by any means, climate action will now become a tool of diplomacy & end up in regional trading agreements.
Interesting letter sent to Sec. Clinton by Jim Inhofe etc.:
http://barrasso.senate.gov/public/_files/12_2_10_barrasso_climate_bailout_letter.pdf
Can you spot the typo?

Jeff

Something the kid from Pennsylvania said struck me: “The young people in schools have caught it from the teachers.” The leftist propaganda in the schools has taken hold.

CRS, Dr.P.H.

Here’s the quote from former (errrr, assistant??) Pres. Clinton:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20025374-503544.html
“The numbers will only get worse in January in terms of negotiating,” he said. “And the president — look, if we had 5 percent growth and unemployment was dropping like a rock, maybe you could have the so-called Mexican stand-off and you could say, it will be you not me the voters will hold responsible for raising taxes on middle class people if they all go down next year.”

John F. Hultquist

Another myth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrich
When threatened, Ostriches run away, but they can cause serious injury and death with kicks from their powerful legs.[11] Their legs can only kick forward.[27] Contrary to popular belief, Ostriches do not bury their heads in sand.[28] This myth likely began with Pliny the Elder (A.D. 23-79), who wrote that Ostriches “imagine, when they have thrust their head and neck into a bush, that the whole of their body is concealed.”[29]

Fred from Canuckistan

Obviously the results of too much fiesta & tequila & playa . . . combined with the very cold resulted in only low hanging fruit . . . probably from the bottom of the punch bowl.

DirkH

I liked the next video in the playlist even better, where Rajendra K Pachauri describes the IPCC as a “grass roots effort” (his words, literally), costing not a single penny because scientists devote their time for free.

I guess that’s the kind of statement that goes down well with the McKibben crowd. Not one owner of a brain amongst them.

AJB

Heads set in some fantastic cloud formations in the background of that vid 🙂

Brad

The thing I find most infuriating is the giveaways to poor countries. We can’t afford this stuff anymore!

Bruce

There may indeed be lots of future low hanging fruit…REDD+ seems to be an eminently rortable program. I can’t wait for the first scandals (eg. What exactly did you say happened to that forest we were paying for? Eaten by polar bears you say?) to hit the media.
The Green Climate Fund may be likewise cheerfully rortable. I imagine many small countries will be finding sea level rising very very fast around them. Extremely lucratively fast, in fact.

Dave Springer

If they really wanted to help the world they’d pledge to never have any children.
Imagine the carbon savings alone to say nothing of how much that will eventually raise the average IQ of the human race.

1DandyTroll

You mean that fruit that is so low hanging it has already been trampled upon by ten thousand climate hippies?

Ray

All of those people are so disconnected from reality, especially the scientific reality that debunks this climate scam. They are so dumb that they don’t realize that THEY are the ones with their heads in the sand. Talk about a bunch of screwed up people in need of a major reality check and no amount of publicity stunt like this will change the true science and the fact that it’s has been a money crab scheme all along.

Brad

What we should be worried about, instead of global warming:
http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts-about-wealth-and-inequality-in-america-2010-4#

Cold as ice - London UK

I’m sorry but I wouldn’t be able to tolerate one of these people (sheep) if they started preaching that kind of rubbish to me. How come there’s never any protest from the skeptics point of view. Why don’t we have rallies like them, we need to rise up people, we need to have our own demonstrations and get our points across to the media one way or another. Rant over.

James Evans

Can these people really not communicate any more without some sort of ridiculous “performance art”? It’s utterly nauseating. And what exactly is it supposed to achieve?

Breckite

CO2 is not a pollutant.

Dave Springer

Sustainable GDP growth is thought to be at most 3% per year. So the 1.5% the new global carbon government wants is fully half of all GDP growth in the developed world. Not to mention that their plans on controlling carbon will put a big strain on those economies so you can kiss 3% annual GDP growth goodbye.
This is nothing more than wealth redistribution on a global scale – take from the developed world and give to the developing obviously hoping the result is some idyllic fantasy where everyone around the world is happy, healthy, peaceful, and content. Obviously some kind of mass channeling of John Lennon from beyond the grave.
I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Tom in Texas

Did she say that the people of some countries don’t deserve NATURAL disasters?
(I couldn’t watch it again).
They should have filled in those holes while they had their heads in them.

the_Butcher

Maybe we shouldn’t be that nice to retarded people after all…look at them.

Graeme

The next meeting should be held in the Falklands, there is too much partying and not enough deal making…
Then again – how about Vegas, we might all be better off with the attendees well and truly distracted.

Robert of Ottawa

I wonder what Brasil thinks of the preservation of rainforests? I’m sure the third world despots can’t wait to get their hands on that $100 bullion billion.

Anoneumouse

The Cancun agreement
My Lords (Oxburgh) Ladies (Slingo types) and gentlemen (Muir Russell) …it all comes down to ….dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s
However there is no ‘I’ or ‘T’ in Cancun
unless…….you are particularly skilful in spin.
I CAN ………………………………..
Note:…a low hanging fruit = low to the ground.
Strange fruit….green is the new black

Pamela Gray

This Climate Conference appears to be in perpetual search of a warmer climate. They’re lucky they could reach the low hanging fruit in that weather, with shrinkage and all. Since Cancun didn’t pan out to be especially warm, I would suggest Hell. The way things are going, South Africa will be in the middle of a blizzard when they meet next time.
The bad thing about all this is I had promised it would be a cold day in Hell before I ever vote the Democratic ticket again. I am beginning to worry!

Tom Jones

Gee, it kind of reminds me when I was in college a long time ago. We were full of the same kind of nonsense about different issues. None of it ever amounted to anything, but college students haven’t changed much. Different cause, same BS.

TomRude

The Canadian Globe and Mail is trumpeting this as a “breakthrough”… Really their reporter is writing anything to try boosting his employer’s green investments!

Bulldust

I have a new fear to be honest… if this is a representative sampling of the IQ of the upcomming generation we are all screwed.
I am not sure whether to laugh or cry after watching that video. They had the conviction of religious missionaries, but they have no grasp on reality. Sad…
But comments so provably stupid, like the polar bears are dying… make me happy… maybe it is schadefreude.

Pamela Gray

No, no, no. This isn’t a video about putting your head in the sand. It’s a video about the proper position for accepting the tenants of AGW! Come on Anthony, you are such a hold out. Now get into the proper position!

dbleader62

As I look at the sand, water, and (this December’s not quite so) warm Cancun sun, I am reminded of Rex Murphy’s observation in the National Post last Saturday in which he said:
“Does not one of the great minds decoding next century’s weather see the brain-splitting contradiction of holding a conference warning of the imminent threat of global warming in a venue that mainly exists because people fly there to get warmer? That’s right, people spend money to fly to Cancun mainly because it’s warmer there, than where they live. In essence, Cancun is what the global warming crowd are, otherwise, warning us about.”
Apparently these Sierra Club “great minds” do not.

D. King

Vacuous!
Moemo says:
December 11, 2010 at 12:30 pm
What a messed up young lady at the end there. Social Justice is all she really wants even though she really doesnt know what that means.
Someone should give her a dime, so she can buy a clue.

d

as a muslim i am offended by the mockery of this video of the way we pray. this video should be banned. It is offensive.

Terry

They should have left their heads in there.

DirkH

Dave Springer says:
December 11, 2010 at 2:05 pm
“Sustainable GDP growth is thought to be at most 3% per year. So the 1.5% the new global carbon government wants is fully half of all GDP growth in the developed world.”
They would basically siphon off half a years growth; from where growth would continue. Not too dramatic. OTOH, where would the money end up? As i said before, it would feed approx. 90,000,000 new bureaucrats and these people would do nothing but damage – after all, every little bureaucrats dream is to one day author his own piece of regulation. So we would end up with more laws, regulations, organisations, masterplans and new invented problems than the Soviet Union, which would inevitably lead to the global collapse of civilization. The only thing that would thrive would be a global black market.
Which is an interesting opportunity of its own. Think Connie Heedegards 9 bn carbon scam…

MikeH

Leave it to these irrational groups to use one myth, Ostriches do not bury their heads in sand, with another myth that the Global Climate Disruption is man made. Clearly shows they do not use facts in their arguments, or their examples. Are these people on Fantasy Island? This is a house of cards and the wind of truth is knocking it down.
Can Global Climate Disruption qualify as a Man Caused Disaster? If so, our President may give a strongly worded speech telling us to stop.

Robert of Ottawa

Pamela Gray,
I’m sorry but Hell is colder than heaven!
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hell.htm