Well the Telegraph article on rationing our modern lifestyle to reduce CO2 has made some waves since I covered it yesterday, fortunately it has not affected the attendees at Cancun. See the video below.
Lloyd’s apparently doesn’t pay attention to the news. The relative flatline in oil production isn’t due to some bogeyman of peak oil…
Canada’s oilsands have already proven that novel ways of producing oil will become more affordable as the price creeps up, but to understand why we’re good for the conceivable future lies in the US production. While the EIA predicts a drop in crude oil production in 2011, it’s largely due to the fact that we’re still avoiding the Gulf. http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN3029057520101130
Long story short on that article, US proved sources of oil are up, and will likely continue to rise as we tap more areas of shale, provided oil prices stay stable. If they go way up, more risky ventures will be used to continue the supply. As much as people love pushing how we’re running out of oil, we have better than 3 years of domestic use already available in market ready sources.
Furthermore, all of this hinges on the Ruskies being wrong about abiogenic oil, in which case we’re gooooood… but even if they’re wrong, natural gas in the US is huge and growing right now, and with the recent development of Methane to Octane catalysts that may provide a future of gasoline production from CO2 and Methane, the idea that oil is running out is specious at best.
Besides, if the price of oil goes too high, then coal and natural gas will eventually follow (steam powered cars or LNG… vroom?) and maybe some of these “green” energies might actually become… y’know… economically non-suicidal?
Well I can just see that lot voting to disband and get real jobs by the end of the week.
Activists, politicians, carbon scammers and their collective PR mouthpieces working out how to divide up the heist. Lack of warming no obstacle. They will only stop when they are made to stop.
Why is it that when people start talking about Venus in relation to Earth the elephant in the room is ignored? Maybe a lot of what happens there is not entirely relevant, what with it being 26 million miles closer to the sun?
Nibor25
December 1, 2010 4:01 am
They don’t need to…worst snow since 1919 in South Yorkshire has led to some shops introducing rationing.
barbarausa
December 1, 2010 4:03 am
“Mark T says:
November 30, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Not only does their ideology blind them to the true consequences of what their plan would ultimately do (as well as it’s actual chance of success,) it further blinds them to how hypocritical their actions are, or appear to those of us on the outside. Really, what a shame.”
I think you are too generous: my personal opinion is that they know exactly what the consequences of their plans are, and are unmoved. Rather, they are moved, but by the necessity of it all in their holy mission–Final Solutionists.
I don’t think they care how their behavior appears either–why would they? We are all enemies of the biosphere, and while we can’t be called “subhuman” (in this religious philosophy, there is nothing lower than us, humans), we are certainly subordinate to many other things, including our hypocritical self-proclaimed masters.
Robert of Ottawa
December 1, 2010 4:22 am
The UK Met Office predicted a warm winter, and while they’re getting one on their nice vacation to the Yucatan, the poor blighters at home are freezing their derriere’s off, if they could find them in all that snow 🙂
Just think of all the lives that could have been saved if the DDT hoax had never happened. By my count we are over 40 million dead African children under the age of five, from malaria because of the DDT ban hoax. When the do goobers go wild, people die.
Next up, did you know whooping could is becoming a disaster in the USA? Yep that whooping cough.
Plenty of real stuff to worry about instead of getting wound up over a hoax designed to steal people’s money.
roger
December 1, 2010 4:54 am
It’s Wednesday midday and so far I have seen nothing about Cancun on the BBC or Sky TV output, nothing!
It may be that the snow and bitter cold blanketing the country and the difficulties being experienced by the portion of the population that produces the goods and services necessary for life in the present harsh environment, has silenced the tax funded incubi and succubi .
Best not to tell us that this fourth winter in a row is weather not climate, and that a puny 0.7C rise in temperature over 100 years or so is more relevant and to be feared, than the now annual plunge below zero for week upon week of our maritime climate.
AGW in all it’s names is dead. The politicians (with the exception of the arch idiot Chris Huhne) have moved on to Renewable Energy which is fast developing the legs to stand unsupported by yesterday’s discredited scam.
As the goalposts move, I hope that this site will continue to move and cover the unholy chimera of green ideas and naked political opportunism. They already have a head start.
Louise
December 1, 2010 5:03 am
tarpon – the whole ‘greenies killed poor black children ‘cos they got DDT banned’ thing is a myth. DDT didn’t get banned from use as an insecticide for use against mosquitos. It got banned as a general pesticed in farming.
Even Greenpeace advocate the use of DDT.
from http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/about/greenpeace-ddt-and-malaria
“DDT was never banned for use as a malaria preventative.
We support the continued use of DDT in malaria control programmes where there are no effective alternatives. “
Enneagram
December 1, 2010 5:11 am
R. de Haan says:
November 30, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Mass suicide now the only option left say Cancun Scientists
What you have not “processed” yet is that that “rationing” it is already working, of course and as always, for the “little” and hard working people.
What do you think is it the “CRISIS” all about?
Wilky
December 1, 2010 5:35 am
Just remember to ration your bullets when you need them. Make each and every one count…
amicus curiae
December 1, 2010 5:59 am
it seems to have escaped notice?
Hansens whole Theory….of global Co2 induced warming was based on Venusian atmospherics…UNproved but he ran with it. he didnt get to do the sat probe even, it was canned!
taken up later I read , but never!!! have I found what the results were.
his wiki bio shows what I am on about…all on a theory unproven and unquestioned.
how hes still alive? beats me, I would have thought someone would have got angry enough by now…
Throughout history there has been a character type I think of as the “pursed lipped brigade”. They are never fulfilled unless they are inflicting austerity or puritanism on the world. They cannot behold anyone having fun, flamboyant or life-affirming without thinking it vulgar and wanting to ban it. This character type never goes away, it’s just that circumstances provide them with more or less opportunities to inflict their psychopathy on others. Throughout history they have packed the bureaucracies. closed theatres, banned dancing, advocated taxes on anything that makes life worth living, imposed religious or political oppression and on and on.
This type of person will latch on to any cause, bogus or otherwise, which give them an excuse and scope for their behaviour – and CAGW provides them with the perfect opportunity. Of course there are many hypocrites advocating hair shirts while retaining silk for themselves but never forget those who would not only would wear a hair shirt themselves from psychological need but are also determined to share it with others, whether those others like it or not.
Vince Causey
December 1, 2010 6:15 am
I spent this morning shovelling 2 feet of snow off the balcony and car port roofs where I live in Derbyshire, since more snow is expected and I really don’t want the whole lot to collapse. I don’t how what kind of record this is, but I don’t recall anything like this in my lifetime.
I do get amazed though, when at the same time, NGO’s and bureaucrats in cancun are discussing ways to make the planet even colder. As Henry II might have said, will nobody rid me of these turbulent eco-loons?
Mark T
December 1, 2010 6:35 am
barbarausa says:
December 1, 2010 at 4:03 am
I think you are too generous: my personal opinion is that they know exactly what the consequences of their plans are, and are unmoved. Rather, they are moved, but by the necessity of it all in their holy mission–Final Solutionists.
I don’t think they care how their behavior appears either–why would they?
That’s what it means to be blinded by ideology. You know the consequences but they are acceptable since you have rationalized that your purpose is more important. The benefits, no matter how small, far outweigh any negatives. It was not at all generous of me to state that these people are nothing but irrational idiots. A truly rational mind would never consider such things.
Mark
Mark T
December 1, 2010 6:35 am
Damn… blew the block quote.
Mark
Enneagram
December 1, 2010 6:40 am
artwest says:
December 1, 2010 at 6:10 am
Enjoying life is a Mortal Sin (Of course if you are a dirty and pesky “commoner”). Gotto read F.Nietzsche “Anti-Christ”.
Enneagram
December 1, 2010 6:45 am
Vince Causey says:
December 1, 2010 at 6:15 am
LOL!!!, what you don’t know is that they do not remember even what you mean by “winter”: They live at the beach all the time…(I mean the real ones, not their employees)
Pascvaks
December 1, 2010 6:50 am
Ref – Matt says:
December 1, 2010 at 12:31 am
“I remember someone suggesting to ban iced water in US in restaurants – and here they serve nothing BUT ice… 🙂 I love that stuff :)”
__________________________
People are responsible for the lack of sufficient ice at the North Pole to cool off the planet. There’s just too many of them eating too much of this scarce resource. The more they put in their drinks the more the temperature rises. There is deffinitely a real scientific connection here. I’m surprised the AGW Mob hasn’t asked for a ban on ice cooled drinks. I’m further surprised they’re meeting in Cancun and not someplace like Fairbanks. That’s another reason I think they’re currupt. CO2 my @ur momisugly#@ur momisugly!$! It’s all about the ice! The more we use, the hotter it gets!
John Lieb
December 1, 2010 6:55 am
My sources tell me that out of a collective act of conscience only low carbon certified jose cuervo was served to the conference members.
Olen
December 1, 2010 7:01 am
The elites are attempting the biggest power and money grab in the history of the world and global warming is one of their ways to dictatorship. With partying idiots like those in Cancun it will be a hard sell to get people to give up their national identity and wealth and freedom so the born with a silver spoon creeps can fill their family treasure chest and egos.
deric davidson
December 1, 2010 7:02 am
Living the high life to save the low life!
Can someone estimate how many tonnes of CO2 this “save the world” binge in Cancun will put into the atmosphere?
Robuk
December 1, 2010 7:03 am
Louise says:
December 1, 2010 at 5:03 am
tarpon – the whole ‘greenies killed poor black children ‘cos they got DDT banned’ thing is a myth. DDT didn’t get banned from use as an insecticide for use against mosquitos. It got banned as a general pesticed in farming.
Even Greenpeace advocate the use of DDT.
from http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/about/greenpeace-ddt-and-malaria
“DDT was never banned for use as a malaria preventative.
We support the continued use of DDT in malaria control programmes where there are no effective alternatives. “
Load of crap read this, http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/DDT.html
Lloyd’s apparently doesn’t pay attention to the news. The relative flatline in oil production isn’t due to some bogeyman of peak oil…
Canada’s oilsands have already proven that novel ways of producing oil will become more affordable as the price creeps up, but to understand why we’re good for the conceivable future lies in the US production. While the EIA predicts a drop in crude oil production in 2011, it’s largely due to the fact that we’re still avoiding the Gulf.
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN3029057520101130
Long story short on that article, US proved sources of oil are up, and will likely continue to rise as we tap more areas of shale, provided oil prices stay stable. If they go way up, more risky ventures will be used to continue the supply. As much as people love pushing how we’re running out of oil, we have better than 3 years of domestic use already available in market ready sources.
Furthermore, all of this hinges on the Ruskies being wrong about abiogenic oil, in which case we’re gooooood… but even if they’re wrong, natural gas in the US is huge and growing right now, and with the recent development of Methane to Octane catalysts that may provide a future of gasoline production from CO2 and Methane, the idea that oil is running out is specious at best.
Besides, if the price of oil goes too high, then coal and natural gas will eventually follow (steam powered cars or LNG… vroom?) and maybe some of these “green” energies might actually become… y’know… economically non-suicidal?
Well I can just see that lot voting to disband and get real jobs by the end of the week.
Activists, politicians, carbon scammers and their collective PR mouthpieces working out how to divide up the heist. Lack of warming no obstacle. They will only stop when they are made to stop.
Why is it that when people start talking about Venus in relation to Earth the elephant in the room is ignored? Maybe a lot of what happens there is not entirely relevant, what with it being 26 million miles closer to the sun?
They don’t need to…worst snow since 1919 in South Yorkshire has led to some shops introducing rationing.
“Mark T says:
November 30, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Not only does their ideology blind them to the true consequences of what their plan would ultimately do (as well as it’s actual chance of success,) it further blinds them to how hypocritical their actions are, or appear to those of us on the outside. Really, what a shame.”
I think you are too generous: my personal opinion is that they know exactly what the consequences of their plans are, and are unmoved. Rather, they are moved, but by the necessity of it all in their holy mission–Final Solutionists.
I don’t think they care how their behavior appears either–why would they? We are all enemies of the biosphere, and while we can’t be called “subhuman” (in this religious philosophy, there is nothing lower than us, humans), we are certainly subordinate to many other things, including our hypocritical self-proclaimed masters.
The UK Met Office predicted a warm winter, and while they’re getting one on their nice vacation to the Yucatan, the poor blighters at home are freezing their derriere’s off, if they could find them in all that snow 🙂
Sorry, forgot the link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/hi/news
Just think of all the lives that could have been saved if the DDT hoax had never happened. By my count we are over 40 million dead African children under the age of five, from malaria because of the DDT ban hoax. When the do goobers go wild, people die.
Next up, did you know whooping could is becoming a disaster in the USA? Yep that whooping cough.
Plenty of real stuff to worry about instead of getting wound up over a hoax designed to steal people’s money.
It’s Wednesday midday and so far I have seen nothing about Cancun on the BBC or Sky TV output, nothing!
It may be that the snow and bitter cold blanketing the country and the difficulties being experienced by the portion of the population that produces the goods and services necessary for life in the present harsh environment, has silenced the tax funded incubi and succubi .
Best not to tell us that this fourth winter in a row is weather not climate, and that a puny 0.7C rise in temperature over 100 years or so is more relevant and to be feared, than the now annual plunge below zero for week upon week of our maritime climate.
AGW in all it’s names is dead. The politicians (with the exception of the arch idiot Chris Huhne) have moved on to Renewable Energy which is fast developing the legs to stand unsupported by yesterday’s discredited scam.
As the goalposts move, I hope that this site will continue to move and cover the unholy chimera of green ideas and naked political opportunism. They already have a head start.
tarpon – the whole ‘greenies killed poor black children ‘cos they got DDT banned’ thing is a myth. DDT didn’t get banned from use as an insecticide for use against mosquitos. It got banned as a general pesticed in farming.
Even Greenpeace advocate the use of DDT.
from http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/about/greenpeace-ddt-and-malaria
“DDT was never banned for use as a malaria preventative.
We support the continued use of DDT in malaria control programmes where there are no effective alternatives. “
R. de Haan says:
November 30, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Mass suicide now the only option left say Cancun Scientists
What you have not “processed” yet is that that “rationing” it is already working, of course and as always, for the “little” and hard working people.
What do you think is it the “CRISIS” all about?
Just remember to ration your bullets when you need them. Make each and every one count…
it seems to have escaped notice?
Hansens whole Theory….of global Co2 induced warming was based on Venusian atmospherics…UNproved but he ran with it. he didnt get to do the sat probe even, it was canned!
taken up later I read , but never!!! have I found what the results were.
his wiki bio shows what I am on about…all on a theory unproven and unquestioned.
how hes still alive? beats me, I would have thought someone would have got angry enough by now…
Hey, we already have rationing in the UK. It is caused by the amount of snow and freezing temperatures we are experiencing.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334410/Snow-frozen-Britain-grinds-halt-57-workers-arrive-late-work.html
Is this what the parasites, sunning themselves in Cancun, had in mind?
Throughout history there has been a character type I think of as the “pursed lipped brigade”. They are never fulfilled unless they are inflicting austerity or puritanism on the world. They cannot behold anyone having fun, flamboyant or life-affirming without thinking it vulgar and wanting to ban it. This character type never goes away, it’s just that circumstances provide them with more or less opportunities to inflict their psychopathy on others. Throughout history they have packed the bureaucracies. closed theatres, banned dancing, advocated taxes on anything that makes life worth living, imposed religious or political oppression and on and on.
This type of person will latch on to any cause, bogus or otherwise, which give them an excuse and scope for their behaviour – and CAGW provides them with the perfect opportunity. Of course there are many hypocrites advocating hair shirts while retaining silk for themselves but never forget those who would not only would wear a hair shirt themselves from psychological need but are also determined to share it with others, whether those others like it or not.
I spent this morning shovelling 2 feet of snow off the balcony and car port roofs where I live in Derbyshire, since more snow is expected and I really don’t want the whole lot to collapse. I don’t how what kind of record this is, but I don’t recall anything like this in my lifetime.
I do get amazed though, when at the same time, NGO’s and bureaucrats in cancun are discussing ways to make the planet even colder. As Henry II might have said, will nobody rid me of these turbulent eco-loons?
barbarausa says:
December 1, 2010 at 4:03 am
I think you are too generous: my personal opinion is that they know exactly what the consequences of their plans are, and are unmoved. Rather, they are moved, but by the necessity of it all in their holy mission–Final Solutionists.
I don’t think they care how their behavior appears either–why would they?
That’s what it means to be blinded by ideology. You know the consequences but they are acceptable since you have rationalized that your purpose is more important. The benefits, no matter how small, far outweigh any negatives. It was not at all generous of me to state that these people are nothing but irrational idiots. A truly rational mind would never consider such things.
Mark
Damn… blew the block quote.
Mark
artwest says:
December 1, 2010 at 6:10 am
Enjoying life is a Mortal Sin (Of course if you are a dirty and pesky “commoner”). Gotto read F.Nietzsche “Anti-Christ”.
Vince Causey says:
December 1, 2010 at 6:15 am
LOL!!!, what you don’t know is that they do not remember even what you mean by “winter”: They live at the beach all the time…(I mean the real ones, not their employees)
Ref – Matt says:
December 1, 2010 at 12:31 am
“I remember someone suggesting to ban iced water in US in restaurants – and here they serve nothing BUT ice… 🙂 I love that stuff :)”
__________________________
People are responsible for the lack of sufficient ice at the North Pole to cool off the planet. There’s just too many of them eating too much of this scarce resource. The more they put in their drinks the more the temperature rises. There is deffinitely a real scientific connection here. I’m surprised the AGW Mob hasn’t asked for a ban on ice cooled drinks. I’m further surprised they’re meeting in Cancun and not someplace like Fairbanks. That’s another reason I think they’re currupt. CO2 my @ur momisugly#@ur momisugly!$! It’s all about the ice! The more we use, the hotter it gets!
My sources tell me that out of a collective act of conscience only low carbon certified jose cuervo was served to the conference members.
The elites are attempting the biggest power and money grab in the history of the world and global warming is one of their ways to dictatorship. With partying idiots like those in Cancun it will be a hard sell to get people to give up their national identity and wealth and freedom so the born with a silver spoon creeps can fill their family treasure chest and egos.
Living the high life to save the low life!
Can someone estimate how many tonnes of CO2 this “save the world” binge in Cancun will put into the atmosphere?
Louise says:
December 1, 2010 at 5:03 am
tarpon – the whole ‘greenies killed poor black children ‘cos they got DDT banned’ thing is a myth. DDT didn’t get banned from use as an insecticide for use against mosquitos. It got banned as a general pesticed in farming.
Even Greenpeace advocate the use of DDT.
from http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/about/greenpeace-ddt-and-malaria
“DDT was never banned for use as a malaria preventative.
We support the continued use of DDT in malaria control programmes where there are no effective alternatives. “
Load of crap read this,
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/summ02/DDT.html