Spencer on the Lacis-NASA GISS CO2 paper

 

Hell and high waters? Gavin goes fishing for the big kahuna of the greenhouse effect /sarc

 

Does CO2 Drive the Earth’s Climate System? Comments on the Latest NASA GISS Paper

by Dr. Roy Spencer

There was a very clever paper published in Science this past week by Lacis, Schmidt, Rind, and Ruedy that uses the GISS climate model (ModelE) in an attempt to prove that carbon dioxide is the main driver of the climate system.

This paper admits that its goal is to counter the oft-quoted claim that water vapor is the main greenhouse gas in our atmosphere. (They provide a 1991 Lindzen reference as an example of that claim).

Through a series of computations and arguments, the authors claim that is actually the CO2, not water vapor, that sustains the warmth of our climate system.

I suspect this paper will result in as many opinions in the skeptic community as there are skeptics giving opinions. But unless one is very careful in reading this paper and knows exactly what the authors are talking about, it is easy to get distracted by superfluous details and miss the main point.

For instance, their table comparing the atmospheres of the Earth, Venus, and Mars does nothing to refute the importance of water vapor to the Earth’s average temperature. While they show that the atmosphere of Mars is very thin, they fail to point out the Martian atmosphere actually has more CO2 than our atmosphere does.

I do not have a problem with the authors’ calculations or their climate model experiment per se. There is not much new here, and their model run produces about what I would expect. It is an interesting exercise that has value by itself.

It is instead their line of reasoning I object to — what they claim their model results mean in terms of causation– in their obvious attempt to relegate the role of water vapor in the atmosphere to that of a passive component that merely responds to the warming effect of CO2…the real driver (they claim) of the climate system.

OUR ASSUMPTIONS DETERMINE OUR CONCLUSIONS

From what I can tell reading the paper, their claim is that, since our primary greenhouse gas water vapor (and clouds, which constitute a portion of the greenhouse effect) respond quickly to temperature change, vapor and clouds should only be considered “feedbacks” upon temperature change — not “forcings” that cause the average surface temperature of the atmosphere to be what it is in the first place.

Though not obvious, this claim is central to the tenet of the paper, and is an example of the cause-versus-effect issue I repeatedly refer to in the past when discussing some of the most fundamental errors made in the scientific ‘consensus’ on climate change.

It is a subtle attempt to remove water vapor from the discussion of “control” over the climate system — by definition. Only those of us who know enough of the details of forcing-feedback theory within the context of climate change theory will likely realize this, through.

Just because water vapor responds quickly to temperature change does not mean that there are no long-term water vapor changes (or cloud changes) — not due to temperature — that cause climate change. Asserting so is a non sequitur, and just leads to circular reasoning.

I am not claiming the authors are being deceptive. I think I understand why so many scientists go down this path of reasoning. They view the climate system as a self-contained, self-controlled complex of physically intertwined processes that would forever remain unchanged until some “external” influence (forcing) enters the picture and alters the rules by which the climate system operates.

Of course, increasing CO2 is the currently fashionable forcing in this climatological worldview.

But I cannot overemphasize the central important of this paradigm (or construct) of climate change theory to the eventual conclusions the climate researcher will inevitably make.

If one assumes from the outset that the climate system can only vary through changes imposed external to the normal operation of the climate system, one then removes natural, internal climate cycles from the list of potential causes of global warming. And natural changes in water vapor (or more likely, clouds) are one potential source of internally-driven change. There are influences on cloud and water vapor other than temperature which in turn help to determine the average temperature state of the climate system.

After assuming clouds and water vapor are no more than feedbacks upon temperature, the Lacis et al. paper then uses a climate model experiment to ‘prove’ their paradigm that CO2 drives climate — by forcing the model with a CO2 change, resulting in a large temperature response!

Well, DUH. If they had forced the model with a water vapor change, it would have done the same thing. Or a cloud change. But they had already assumed water vapor and clouds cannot be climate drivers.

Specifically, they ran a climate model experiment in which they instantaneously removed all of the atmospheric greenhouse gases except water vapor, and they got rapid cooling “plunging the climate into an icebound Earth state”. The result after 7 years of model integration time is shown in the next image.

Such a result is not unexpected for the GISS model. But while this is indeed an interesting theoretical exercise, we must be very careful about what we deduce from it about the central question we are ultimately interested in: “How much will the climate system warm from humanity adding carbon dioxide to it?” We can’t lose sight of why we are discussing all of this in the first place.

As I have already pointed out, the authors have predetermined what they would find. They assert water vapor (as well as cloud cover) is a passive follower of a climate system driven by CO2. They run a model experiment that then “proves” what they already assumed at the outset.

But we also need to recognize that their experiment is misleading in other ways, too.

First, the instantaneous removal of 100% of the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere except for water vapor causes about 8 times the radiative forcing (over 30 Watts per sq. meter) as does a 100% increase in CO2 (2XCO2, causing less than 4 Watts per sq. meter), something that will not occur until late this century — if ever.

This is the so-called ‘logarithmic effect’…adding more and more CO2 has a progressively weaker radiative forcing response.

Currently, we are about 40% of the way to that doubling. Thus, their experiment involves 20 times (!) the radiative forcing we are now experiencing (theoretically, at least) from over a century of carbon dioxide emissions.

So are we to assume that this dramatic theoretical example should influence our views of the causes and future path of global warming, when their no-CO2 experiment involves ~20 times the radiative forcing of what has occurred to date from adding more CO2 to the atmosphere?

Furthermore, the cloud feedbacks in their climate model are positive, which further amplifies the model’s temperature response to forcing. As readers here are aware, our research suggests that cloud feedbacks in the real climate system might be so strongly negative that they could more than negate any positive water vapor feedback.

In fact, this is where the authors have made a logical stumble. Everyone agrees that the net effect of clouds is to cool the climate system on average. But the climate models suggest that the cloud feedback response to the addition of CO2 to our current climate system will be just the opposite, with cloud changes acting to amplify the warming.

What the authors didn’t realize is that when they decided to relegate the role of clouds in the average state of the climate system to one of “feedback”, their model’s positive cloud feedback actually contradicts the known negative “feedback” effect of clouds on the climate’s normal state.

Oops.

(In retrospect, I suppose they could claim that cloud feedbacks switched from negative at the low temperatures of an icebound Earth, to being positive at the higher temperatures of the real climate system. But that might mess up Jim Hansen’s claim of strongly positive feedbacks during the Ice Ages).

CONCLUSION

Taken together, the series of computations and claims made by Lacis et al. might lead the casual reader to think, “Wow, carbon dioxide really does have a strong effect on the Earth’s climate system!” And, in my view, it does. But the paper really tells us nothing new about (1) how much warming we can expect from adding more CO2 to the atmosphere, or (2) how much of recent warming was caused by CO2.

The paper implies that it presents new understanding, but all it does is get more explicit about the conceptual hoops one must jump through in order to claim that CO2 is the main driver of the climate system. From that standpoint alone, I find the paper quite revealing.

Unfortunately, what I present here is just a blog posting. It would take another peer-reviewed paper that follows an alternative path, to effectively counter the Lacis paper, and show that it merely concludes what it assumes at the outset. I am only outlining here what I see as the main issues.

Of course, the chance of editors at Science allowing such a response paper to get published is virtually zero. The editors at Science choose which scientists will be asked to provide peer review, and they already know who they can count on to reject a skeptic’s paper.

Many of us have already been there, done that.

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George E. Smith
October 27, 2010 10:23 am

“”””” Spector says:
October 26, 2010 at 10:36 am
So far, I have not been able to find a single chart that shows the spectrum of infra-red energy radiated from the atmosphere at the tropopause and escapes to outer space. “””””
Well I’m glad to see, that I’m not alone in that boat. I DO have in the “Infrared Handbbook” some plots of the earth as seen from outer space for several latitudes, and several seasons, and several terrains, and several viewing angles; but so far as I know those graphs are ALL the result of computations; and not the result of looking down from some altitude with a high resolution wide spectral range spectroradiometer. What they do purport to show (from outer space), is a roughly black body like thermal spectrum; that is consistent with a spectral peak in the 10 micron range; that does move slightly with seasonal (Temperatures) and also in irradiance or emittance; out of which a significan chunk is extracted in a CO2 15 micron band, and another narrower and sharper one around 9.6-10 microns for O3.
Lacis has described spectra containing thousands of lines; which they calculate individually from their supercomputer models (he says); yet I can find NO graphs showing what those spectra are. Available graphs on atmospheric absorptions or transmissions as one finds in wiki and the like; instead show just a few broad bands; and nowhere ever do they describe exactly what the calculated or measured (if measured) atmosphere consists of; and under what conditions it is calculated or observed.
Phil has provided links to computer calculations for various gas species absorption spectra; but I can find NO data on just exactly what sample of gas those are calculated for.
Is it rocket science to take an actual sample of some average real world Atmosphere collected from some average place; and do a laboratory measurement of the complete transmission spectrum of that sample over the range of say 0.1 microns in the UV (or even 0.2) out to say 100 micorns in the long wave infrared; or even to the microwave region where satellite sensors apaprently gather data.
We can build whole county sized atom smasher machines that are many miles in diameter; and we can put tanks of hundreds of thousands of gallons of chemicals down in deep mines; to capture a few neutrinos, that can be counted on one hand in a year; but somehow nobody seems to think it is worthwhile to actually measure energy absorptions in a real sample of the atmopshere.
We can get phony cooked up experiments on TV showing that high Temperature heat lamps can warm up a sample containing a whole lot of CO2; yet you can’t get anybody to repeat such an experiment; using actual air samples with correctly adjusted CO2 levels (say 280 ppm and 560 ppm) and then irradiate them with a REAL LWIR thermal radiation source; which could be as simple as a bucket of ordinary tap water; or as real as a sample from the middle of the Pacific Ocean; that is allowed to stabilize at a room Temperature of say 20 deg C, or 68 deg F (292 K); which would be close enough to the real (purported) average global mean Temperature. Such an experiment would demonstrate quite openly how much warming results from LWIR heating of the atmosphere.
While a measuremnt from the tropopause might be illuminating spector; an actual outer space measurment is actually more real; since that is exactly what is exiting to outer space; and it would be sourced from every level of the atmopshere from the surface on out.; which is after all; what is really happening.

David Socrates
October 27, 2010 11:29 am

Re. George E. Smith says: October 27, 2010 at 9:44 am
“David Socrates says… October 26, 2010 at 3:41 pm”
Well George, since I agree wholeheartedly with most of the other points you have made, I think we should draw a line under the issue of whether or not Stefan’s law gives an accurate enough mathematical estimate of the warming effect at midday on the ground in the Sahara desert, putting it into what the mathematicians call the undecidable category. Otherwise I think we are in danger of stealing time from our joint quest to expose the warmist arguments for what they obviously are – just hot air.
Instead, why don’t you and I spearhead a real effort, aided I hope by Dr Spencer, to get right to the bottom of the science. Just as I find it strange that the warmists can’t explain themselves in un-convoluted language (thus perpetuating the debate) so I am equally concerned that no skeptics have come forward (with the honorable exception of Dr Spencer) with any really simple alternative thesis. I am sure this lack of transparency about the detailed science on BOTH sides of the debate explains why it has gone on and on for so long.
For example, I find it fascinating that nobody has come forward to defend the warmist position with a clear and DETAILED explanation of the radiative transfer theory on which all the models they use are based. You would think they would be bursting to lift the lid on all that detail to reveal the beautiful truth. Even if the warmist modelers themselves (who are probably too buried in their jargon to speak to mere mortals) are unable to articulate the logic of their case in clear language, surely some sympathetic fellow travelers who had a more didactic touch would long since have obliged. The silence all these years has been eloquent.
On the other hand, I appreciate and share your problem of not having enough time to get to the bottom of the science. Most of us are in exactly the same boat. In the absence of hearing any intellectually convincing and definitive scientific argument on either side, I simply take a step back to an obvious overarching question: Is the world showing any signs of dangerous warming? Since it is not (0.6degC in a hundred years is well within natural variability) I simply prefer to accept the null hypothesis. If you agree with this approach, then perhaps we should all relax, sit back, and enjoy watching Trenberth and friends sweat over the next few years as they contemplate the continuing “travesty” of the “missing heat”.

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