Tamino (Grant Foster) writes:
I have a question for Anthony Watts:
We have over 30 years of satellite data for arctic sea ice. Why do you consistently display the only data source I know of that covers less than 6 years?
Maybe some of you would enjoy visiting WUWT to put the question directly to Anthony. Think he’ll answer? Think he’ll even allow the question?
Why sure I would. Here’s my response:
Mr. Foster, perhaps you’ve missed my very successful Arctic Sea Ice Page?
It was first published on July 17th, 2010: Get your ice here! New WUWT Sea Ice Machine
It’s got all of the sea ice graphs and metrics, far more than anything on “Open Mind”. And yes it covers those organizations using 30 year data sets, including NSIDC, and UUIC. Both are prominently featured.
Have a look: http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/
And it’s done pretty well traffic-wise too. Apparently a lot of people know about it. It’s easy to find, linked on the right side bar where is says “Sea Ice” with the graph. It also is available from the pulldown menu above under “Reference pages”. It is also routinely linked in my weekly Sea Ice News series.
MY questions to you sir, and I’m sure other WUWT commenters will have questions for you as well, is: Why do you think I “consistently display the only data source I know of that covers less than 6 years” when I in fact consistently display them all?
Why do you not cover all of the sea ice products on your own web site?
Why would you not want to cheer (he objects to this post Go Ice Go!) the refreezing of Arctic Sea Ice?
Why did you ignore this first sentence statement in my post? Cherry picking quotes maybe?
While not hugely significant by itself, it is interesting to note that the DMI 30% Arctic extent has reached its highest number for this date, exceeding 2006.
If global warming is so dire, you’d think he’d cheer a bit of good news, even if not hugely significant by itself. I guess not. To borrow a phrase from WUWT commenter John Whitman, I suppose that “Cheerleading for ice leaves him cold”.
Oh one last thing about an accusation from Mr. Foster:
Watts also shows the data from JAXA:
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Now there’s more data — there’s a little more than 8 years.
This time, however, Watts omits the close-up. Why?
Hmmm. Mr. Foster, you seem to have missed the basic feature of graphics, simply go here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/12/go-ice-go/
And then click on the JAXA graph, and PRESTO! You’ll get the large size. You see, DMI doesn’t provide a larger size, so that’s why I had to magnify it manually. JAXA provides a larger size, also available via their web page here: http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm So, no magnified extra graphic was needed. Most people know to click through when they see the little gloved finger pointer over a graphic. Or, maybe you just missed the “click to enlarge” note below it?
I’m happy to clear all those things up for you. Have a splendid weekend sir.
UPDATE: Well now, I’m a liar and I avoid data pre-2002. Heh.
How then will Mr. Foster explain that I have many many posts using NSIDC data and graphs, that goes back 30 years, many posts with UUIC (Cryosphere today) data and graphs that goes back 30 years, plus I have guest posts from Dr. Walt Meir of NSIDC, who uses even longer periods of data, and whom I don’t always agree with but invite to guest post anyway? Show the “avoidance” of pre-2002 data Mr. Foster. – Anthony
UPDATE2: My goodness, “pants on fire“? What is this, grade school? While Mr. Foster accuses me of not answering the question (while shifting his position) I’ll point out that he didn’t answer any of the questions I posed to him.
Here’s another for him: why do you avoid the discussion of Antarctic Sea ice? Either his search engine is hosed, or he’s avoiding an entire continent.
L says:
October 16, 2010 at 10:56 am
And here I thought “Grant Fosters” were sunglasses! Who knew?
Only if you consider it backwards (Foster Grants), which pretty much describes Tamino’s logic when discussing anything that refutes his propaganda.
To myself, the thing most telling is, the lack of cherry picking here (there must be some but I don’t see it). In 2006 and 2007 as the ice was shrinking at a high rate, the graphs were posted every day. There was plenty of discussion on the sea ice topic even though at the time it was a favorite goading thorn of the warmists posting here (they seemed to post here more often then when the momentum was on their side).
I assume if the ice starts melting again Anthony will continue to faithfully post the data (Even southern hemisphere data).
Complain all you want about the completeness of this site but at least try to run your own business at this standard of competence or greater.
Anthony, maybe Grant Foster had a beer before he wrote the original piece, then went out for a few more to celebrate his achievement.
He deserves a 10:10 award for self destruction
Tamino posted my comment/reply including an array of Antarctic Sea Ice links:
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/10/15/go-ice-go-going-going-gone/#comment-44951
I am still confused as to why my first comment was edited, but I feel like I am making some progress. Now I wonder what the limitations are. We shall see…
REPLY: He was angry, angry people do irrational things. – Anthony
Scott, I think a lot of the umbrage has to to with the horrible realization that my sea ice page likely gets more traffic than Tamino’s entire blog.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/tamino.wordpress.com+wattsupwiththat.com
Quite a few comments above refer to the deletion/censoring/rejection of comments posted at Tamino’s Open Mind site.
If you want, keep a copy of any comment you post (at any site) that you think might not pass moderation, and provided it is family rated, we will put it up at RC Rejects. If it is put up at Tamino’s Open Mind after it is posted at RC (due to moderation delays, say) then let us know, and we will take the comment down.
Why does a person freely by his own choice go to such great length to portray himself as complete, and pardon the “french”, dimwit?
It’s not like you get the feeling that this guy’s from triple nine society or even the mindless dribble folks form mensa.
If you’re not portraying yourselves as a complete mental case for fun, then logic, as always, dictates it’s for profit (unless, of course, the person is completely mental.)
I just posted this on Tamino’s site:
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Tamino, you are changing the challenge to Mr. Watts. You said:
Then in reply to:
You responded:
Could it be you missed the sea ice page and decided to move the goalposts when you were called out on it? [EDIT, EDIT, EDIT] ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha . Cheer up
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_timeseries.png
RockyRoad says:
October 16, 2010 at 8:35 am
“[…]Global Climate Disruption morphed into….
What’s next? Any guesses?”
Anthropogenic Reactive Climate Change (with respect to GISS’ making-the-past-cooler).
Jimbo says:
October 16, 2010 at 12:19 pm
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For what it’s worth (‘B’ all I’d imagine), I wasn’t aware there was a sea ice page on this blog until this thread.
I read Tamino’s post and the comments there as well as his responses. I don’t know who this Tamino person is other than someone who’s adept at building castles in the sky. His comments boil over with pure hatred based purely in his projected view of the world. I’d refrain from having any dealing with such a person.
BTW, I tried reading some of his other posts and it’s just painful what you can find online.
The game’s up for the AGW crowd. Nobody takes them seriously anymore and they become more desperate every day. It’ll only take one more failed climate change convention to finish them off.
I’m looking forward to the upcoming New Zealand general election that more than likely will fall when the effects of la nina is freezing everyones asses off, in a year when the current govt will be doubling the costs of the ETS.
Somehow strange,
the first time I stumbled over the name ‘Tamino’, it was an XML-based Database from
SAP, (Tamino-XML-Server, nowadays). Project was an utter mess and failed.
Was finally realized with Xindice (http://xml.apache.org/xindice/)
, which – of course – has it’s own problems, but these were sufficent manageable.
So, “nomen est omen” -> for me, ‘Tamino’ is a project bound to fail. Which one did,
and the other will follow pretty soon, because both they were/are 180 deg away from
reality.
KlausB
Anthony,
Over the years I’ve found that there is no profit in arguing with fools. (Maybe a little satisfaction, but you can’t take that to the bank!)
It’s like arguing with engineering freshmen who have just figured out their first prepetual motion machine. They KNOW that they are going to solve all of our energy problems AND get rich. Just like cold fusion.
Steamboat Jack (Jon Jewett’s evil twin)
It’s quite revealing when someone who has a very high opinion of themselves says something and reveals how stupid they are.
Poor Tamino.
@Jimbo
When the topic is the arctic sea ice why then would you link to an antarctic ice page?
Oh and am I wrong but did you not have a whole post about the new sea ice page?
Maybe Tamnio was too busy playing with his flute to notice it.
Maybe you could repost it for poor old Tamnio so he can bookmark it?
😉
Alex Heyworth says: October 15, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Don’t ever get me started on anagrams.
Ma, Not I
Ma, Toni!
I No Mat
Main OT
It Moan
I Am Not
With respect, I think the first thing Grant Foster needs to do is change his handle.
Tony,
Maybe you should ask him why he never upgraded the comment by Ian Joliffe to the level of a post?
http://climateaudit.org/2008/09/08/ian-jolliffe-comments-at-tamino/
1DandyTroll says:
October 16, 2010 at 3:36 pm
@Jimbo
When the topic is the arctic sea ice why then would you link to an antarctic ice page?
Because Tamino’S attacks are based on people cherry picking. I point to his obvious avoidance of the ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM – the Antarctic. Go to his search enginge and search for Antarctica. Get back to us with the hundreds of results please. :o)
That’s why Tamino got caught out. He assumed ‘warmist’ data was not on WUWT and his bias caught him out.
Bye the way Tim Williams and 1DandyTroll my comment at Tamino’s CRAP website was moderated then NEVER appeared. Try posting contrary evidence and see what happens to YOUR COMMENTS.
See here and do I make any sense of his nonsense?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/15/my-answer-to-taminos-question/#comment-509308
Correction:
Bye the way…….
By the way………
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*Late night beer
@Vorlath
I read Tamino’s post and the comments there as well as his responses. I don’t know who this Tamino person is other than someone who’s adept at building castles in the sky.
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It’s probably worth remembering that Tamino’s ice extent prediction for this year was far closer to what it actually turned out to be, than anyone’s predictions here.
And on this:
[ (Tamino) Response: Stupidity is not skepticism.]
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Tamino is right (derision aside). The original comment (“I do hope you all enjoy the coming Northern Hemisphere ski season, it will be a doozy”) showed that it was based in belief, and hence cannot be referred to a skepticism. Any true skeptic could not have made such a statement as it’s not skeptical!
REPLY: Yes, he really got stung by the entire absence of Antarctic ice discussion that I pointed out, so he had to hurry a post, making sure the word “Antarctic” was prominently in the title, so that the search engine would find it. He’s so transparent. So he now has one post on it:
Well at least he didn’t call me a “liar” in it, maybe that’s reserved for part 2. – Anthony