This rebuttal comment to I’ll Trade You Cuccinelli For Splattergate With A Player To Be Named Later was so well written, and so extensive, I felt that it deserves the honor of a guest post status.
– Anthony
Guest Post by Thomas Fuller
But it didn’t rise to a criminal level (that was the UK deleting emails in advance of Freedom of Information requests, not Michael Mann). What Ken Cuccinelli is doing is going fishing for wrongdoing without an allegation of such wrongdoing–and that’s not how we should be doing things in this country.
I’ll get a lot of flack from you on this–and don’t be shy, I can take it. But remember as you write–District Attorneys are not always Republican, and controversial scientists can be skeptics at times, too. Don’t let your desire for a short term victory in the daily news cycle let you ignore what would be an erosion of all our civil liberties, I beg of you.
Let’s begin by examining the validity of your statement, “But it didn’t rise to a criminal level (that was the UK deleting emails in advance of Freedom of Information requests, not Michael Mann). What Ken Cuccinelli is doing is going fishing for wrongdoing without an allegation of such wrongdoing–and that’s not how we should be doing things in this country.” On the contrary, there are outstanding allegations of wrongdoing.
Michael Mann and the University of Virginia refused to comply with the law and a citizen’s lawful FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request for e-mail held by the University, claiming the e-mail no longer existed. When Virginia Attorney General Cuccinelli served a subpoena on the University to deliver the e-mail, the supposedly deleted and non-existent e-mail was recovered from the University computer servers. Consequently, it appears there is every reason to suspect a crime was committed when the citizen’s FOIA request was denied on the basis of a fraudulent claim of destruction of the e-mail. Unlike the case with the University of East Anglia, the statute of Limiitations is likely to remain in force in the Virginia case. It remains to be determined whether or not the evidentiary discovery will support misdemeanor and/or felony charges. That is the purpose and due process of law for which the CID is needed and proper.
Then there is the issue of the $466,000 (nearly a half million dollars) in grant monies Michael Mann solicited and received from the State of Virginia and its taxpayers, in addition to the huge sums of money he and the University of Virginia received from the U.S. Government. It has been argued by a group of scientists and others that Michael Mann and the University of Virginia should somehow be uniquely immune from a Civil Investigative Demand (CID) in a prima facie FOIA and/or fraud criminal case on the basis of some unwritten gentleman’s agreement to avoid interference with the intellectual freedom of scientists. Thusly, these same people see no cognitive dissonance, hypocrisy, or injustice when they punished, sanctioned, threatened, intimidated, and/or defrauded non-scientists and dissenting scientists by dismissing state climatologists, dissenting climate scientists, dissenting meteorologists, academics, students, political appointees, and others without any Civil Investigative Demand, administrative board hearing, arraignment and trial, or other due process of law thay are now claiming for Michael Mann and the University of Virginia without any statutory or constitutional right.
Rubbing salt into the wounds of the public they have wronged for many years, they are trying to carve out a privileged position of immunity for themselves just as the Members of Congress have done so before them. Discriminating against other classes of citizens, these so-called scientists want to enjoy an immunity from investigation and prosecution not enjoyed by other citizens in our society. Expressing outrage that anyone would seek to interfere with the privacy of their communications and right to publish their communications while remaining immune from due process of law, members of their class of citizens have been running rampant in innumerable criminal cases of defrauding governments, businesses, private citizens, and causing the deaths of private citizens.
For one example, Dr. Scott Reuben pled guilty to numerous charges of fraud in which he faked numerous medical studies published in medical journals as peer reviewed research for such companies as Pfizer. Despite the peer reviews, Dr. Reuben didn’t even have any patients enrolled in his faked patient studies. Physicians relied upon these faked perr reviewed papers to provide medical care to their patients. It was subsequently determined that Dr. Scott Reuben had been faking a number of medical studies for some thirteen years without being discovered and prosecuted.
Somewhere there is someone reading the forgoing and saying Dr. Reuben is just an isolated case, and his fraud is not representative of any widespread scientific fraud. Unfortunately, they are just plain wrong and ignorant of the facts.
Take for another example, the problem with widespread fraud due to ghostwritten peer reviewed science papers. Acta Crystallographica Section E was compelled to retract more than 70 peer reviewed papers ghostwritten by Chinese scientists as faked or fraudulent studies. Pharmaceutical companies have a reputation for ghostwriting peer reviewed studies in-house and then paying medical doctors and scientists to permit their name to b used for publication of the studies. This fraudulent practice has been reported to be widespread in the pharmaceutical industry and some academia for many years as an outgrowth of the academic practice of using graduate students to perform service for their superiors holding doctorates. The University of Alabama at Birmingham has been yet another academic institution which had to retract a number of fraudulent peer reviewed papers and remove eleven proteins registered in a database of such proteins used in science.
The fallout from the notoriously fraudulent stem cell research of Hwang Woo-suk and the investigation of his associate, Professor Gerald P. Schatten of University of Pittsburgh have been ongoing.
Closer to NASA there is the case of Samim Anghaie, his wife, and their business, NETECH, which fraudulently obtained 2.5 million dollars in contracts from NASA among the 13 U.S. government contracts totalling 3.4 million dollars.
Within climate science there has been a number of incidents of suspected fraud, one of which was reported by Dr. S. Fred Singer described the allegations of either fabrication of Chinese weather station data or plagiarism by Wei-Chyung Wang, University of Albany, from work by his colleague in China, Zhaomei Zeng.
Suffice it to observe, scientific fraud is not at all uncommon, and some commentators describe scientific fraud as being rampant. Looking at the known incidents of scientific fraud, it can be seen the perpetration of such fraud is highly rewarding with grants and contracts amounting in various examples as $70,000, $466,000, and $3,400,000. Whistleblowers are typically punished for their honesty, resulting in great reluctance to disclose such scientific fraud or enthusiastic cooperation with such fraud.
In your statement, “But remember as you write–District Attorneys are not always Republican, and controversial scientists can be skeptics at times, too,” you indulge in a fallacy seemingly common to many so-called Liberal-Left Democrats. You see opponents as necessarily being some kind of badly fundamental religious Right-wing extremist or at least some misguided minority Right-wing-nut Republican. Well, such ideas are extremist fantasies. There ae a great many people who describe themselves, as Republicans, yes, but also Democrats, Libertarians, independents, and others who insist upon honesty, integrity, and impartiality. A great many of these people cheerfully wish a pox on all politicians, activists, and Lamestream journalists who seek to frustrate the ability of ordinary citizens to govern their own lives free of interference by by people who think they know better what is best for other people besides themselves and seek to make themselves immune from the same rules and burdens they would impose on others. Whether it is the special immunities and privileges the MainStream Media (MSM) seek to deny ordinary citizen journalists or the climate data and information climate scientists attempt to deny ordinary citizen observers of climate science, you don’t have to be a Republican, a political conservative, or a right-wing-nut, to join with our political opponents in demanding non-discriminatory application of the due process of law to scientists the same as other citizens and professions.
At the very least, the University of Virginia and/or Michael Mann appear to be liable to investigation and prosecution for the violation of laws relating to the FOIA release of the e-mail evidencing Michael Mann’s involvement in the handling of $466,000 of state grant funds. There is more than ample evidence that scientific fraud is a common enough crime to warrant investigations, and convincing evidence of at least some violations of law with respect to FOIA disclosures. Scientists are not yet privileged with the immunity needed to commit FOIA violations and scientific fraud with complete immunity from investigation and prosecution. let the Attorney General represent the citizens of Virginia and safeguard their taxpayer monies and their right to the freedom of information guaranteed by written laws.
“Mistakes are not fraud.”
Steven Mosher,
Misrepresentation is fraud. I have trouble believing you classify the behavior under scrutiny here as a “mistake”.
Do you really believe it’s a “mistake”?
Andrew
Mr. Patterson, let me add to the chorus of “well written” and “well said”. Thank you.
My favorite line was this one:
“A great many of these people cheerfully wish a pox on all politicians, activists, and Lamestream journalists who seek to frustrate the ability of ordinary citizens to govern their own lives free of interference by by people who think they know better what is best for other people besides themselves and seek to make themselves immune from the same rules and burdens they would impose on others.”
This is where we find the climate debate (among many other topics) today. The good news is there is a growing groundswell of backlash against those who feel their role is to tell the rest of us what is best for us.
I, for one, am “mad as hell and am not going to take it anymore”. Time to vote these elitists out of office. For those of us in the USA, November 2nd can’t arrive quickly enough.
K Denison
Lucy Skywalker
October 7, 2010 at 11:19 am
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Lucy,
Appreciate you speaking to the issue of integrity.
I agree with you also about not speaking of revenge in the issues that surround Mann. I just want to see cool headed & open evaluation.
John
Lucy,
There is a small group of us who are interested in moving the science forward in the best way possible. Mann has had his best day. some key victories in access to data and code have been won. More focused effort in that direction will yield lasting results. Truth will out. always does.
Shanti, Shanti, Shanti
Your hyperbole is excused because I understand and agree with your message, but the problem is that it is not about the science. Those on the AGW side long ago saw that they could not use the scientific method to achieve their goals so they moved to the political and media spheres to do that.
### sorry meant millions of dollars of contracts.
Steven Mosher,
“And none of them sees fraud. Mistakes are not fraud.”
Reminds me of the MP’s (UK parliament) who, when caught with their hands in the cookie jar, responded: “Sorry, mistakes were made. . . Sorry, accounting errors.”
Yeah, sure, Steven.
Flash! Flash! Flash!
I urge participants in this thread to take a look at the
Richmond Times Dispatch item here:
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/mgmedia/image/full/16399/blog-va-politics/
So far, the University has paid nothing in tax dollars
to resist the investigative efforts of the Commonwealth of
Virginia’s Attorney General. The funding for the UofV
efforts have come from an unnamed “private” source
So far the Office of the Attorney General has shelled out
less than $1,000.oo in pursuit of requested UofV held
information.
…and now back to your regular program
Bad Andrew says:
October 7, 2010 at 11:32 am (Edit)
“Mistakes are not fraud.”
Steven Mosher,
Misrepresentation is fraud. I have trouble believing you classify the behavior under scrutiny here as a “mistake”.
Do you really believe it’s a “mistake”?
Andrew
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I draw a very bright line on what I consider fraud to be. unlike others who use the word to mean ” bad stuff my opponent said or did”
Lets try a role reversal: ( that will start a fight)
lets take Smokey’s representation that Mann as co investigator would have a lot of control over the money.
1. Smokey doesnt know what he is talking about: (Mann is no statistician.)
2. A strong claim is made for political effect in both cases
3. There is evidence the claim is unwarranted.
4. The person making the mistake, refuses to come clean
So would I call Smokey’s claim a fraud? or misreprsentation. No, he doesnt know any better. He’s made strong forcefull claims out of his area of expertise. I expect him to make mistakes. he doesnt know any better. When called to account, we would like him to admit his mistake. Perhaps he wont. Just like mann refused in certain cases to admit his mistakes.
in my mind a fraud would be this: if smokey looked at the funding documents, looked at the records, KNEW that mann didnt have control over the funds, and then Suggested or represented facts CONTRARY to his own beliefs. Now, I believe that Mann and Smokey, at worst, are just fooling themselves. They don’t know any better and cannot be brought to reason together.
That analogy is sure to cause a fight, but you watch what happens when people get out of their areas of expertise. you watch how vigorously they defend their mistaken claims, or how they ignore contrary evidence. its like they have to believe what they said. A fraud, knows he is a fraud. The merely deluded have no such awareness.
Let’s try this again, it’s a L O N G address:
http://virginiapolitics.mytimesdispatch.com/index.php/virginiapolitics/comments/defending_u.va._researcher_big_bucks_investigating_cheap/(entry_id)
Steve Mosher:
Question: we bemoan the fact that the climategate whitwash commisions did not call steve mcintyre as a witness. we scream that they did not talk to the critic most knowledgable. Well, did the AG here ask steve for the best case he had? no.
why not? because then he couldnt launch a witch hunt.
So Steve McIntyre, who we already know doesn’t agree with Cuccinelli’s attempt at the oversight of Mann’s publically funded sceince, determines if or when publically funded science can be audited? He’s not even a Czar!
Phil Clarke says:
October 7, 2010 at 9:45 am (Edit)
>>Climate Change Collective Learning and Observatory Network in Ghana: $759,928
It was a 3 year project. That works out at c250K / year to enagge 6 students, a PI and 5 co-PIs, one of whom was Mann. Bargain! If you think research is expensive, you should try ignorance. To list it as ‘Mann’s grant’ does nothing for the credibility of the poster.
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and we all know how little work the PI actually does in studies like this. The PI is just doing budgets and schedules and reports. The Co PIs are also thinly involved and the grunt work is done by those 6 students.
On a serious note, do these grants have SOWs? that could clarify some things with real detail as opposed to speculation ( al beit from folks with experience)
Mann’s grant money is spent. Intellectual and sometimes actual fraud in climate science is normal. Why support a lawyer wasting more of your money and who has his own agenda.
Do something useful. Complain to O2, sponsors of the 10:10 cutting carbon campaign about the disgusting Splattergate film. I just have.
The only readers likely to find author’s invocation of fraud in Acta Crystallographica relevant are devotees of medieval climatology who believe the weather depends, sub specie aeternitatis ,on the revolutions of the crystalline spheres.
Cuccinelli’s antic barratry reflects the compulsion that led him to cover the breasts of Liberty on Virginia’s Great Seal: being a relatively small state, its Attorney General’s office can only accommodate one boob at a time.
Doug UK says:
October 6, 2010 at 10:59 pm
The problem with the UEA FOIA denial was that the offence is a ‘summary’ offence tried in a magistrates court. The statute of limitations for that is 6 months.
The new denialists anyone? (Sorry, couldn’t resist.)
DaveE.
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Steven Mosher,
Are you speaking for Steve McIntyre & the ” less than handful of people qualified to speak” regarding whether they have or have not had official contact with Cuccinelli’s office?
In other words, do you have information from them that they have not been contacted by Cuccinelli’s office?
If you haven’t that specific information from them then you also are making some (in your own words, not mine) “some broad baseless” assumptions.
Let’s stick to the facts or when we are conjecturing clearly state we are conjecturing. Are you conjecturing?
John
@Steve Mosher
“If you dont know the case on the science inside and out, I’ll suggest silence. if people took that suggestion then there are probably less than handful of people qualified to speak.”
Would you, in your own esteemed opinion, be one of the qualified few?
After reading Patterson’s Chinese Crystallographic fire drill , I wonder if his definition of “is” will prove any better than our most recently disbarred ex-Presidents.
in case Patterson hasn’t noticed, Singer’s last academic refuge , GMU ,is erupting into a plagiarism scandal that revolves around the Wegman report.
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Russell Seitz,
A propos your comment;
John
Russell Seitz says:
October 7, 2010 at 3:12 pm
After reading Patterson’s Chinese Crystallographic fire drill , I wonder if his definition of “is” will prove any better than our most recently disbarred ex-Presidents.
What does Richard Nixon have to do with this?
You’re all missing the point. If it’s not the University’s money funding the defense, then who is putting out the cash? Follow the money!
From the Washington post:
“Jose Suro says:
October 7, 2010 at 8:05 am
From the Washington Post,
By Jim Nolan | TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
Published: October 05, 2010:
“U.Va. said it has spent $352,874.76 in legal fees on the CID litigation, which has been financed through private funds.””
I’m probably a bit literal minded, or maybe, as an Aussie, I’m not attuned to a certain type of humour. But I just read Steven Mosher’s entry implying the existence of a small enlightened elite, of which he is a member, advancing toward truth. He concludes by creepily writing Shanti three times, then links to a schlocky youtube mantra clip.
I’m missing some satirical reference, some in-house humour…right?
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mosomoso,
I am a bred and raised Yankee of the ole USA.
So in the regard you being an Aussie reading what an American says (Mosher), I would say you are missing nothing. To me your analysis is right on.
John
Heaven help WUWT if any public funds have supported editor Watts abortive pretension to fact checking.
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Russell Seitz,
Ahhhh, with your present comment to the contrary notwithstanding, I say “NUTS!”.
[I always wanted an opportunity to say that, thanks Russell Seitz for the opportunity]
John
Why does Bubbles come here and engage in Romm-style character assassination? If he has evidence that Anthony is taking public funds, he needs to man up and produce it – or shut his pie hole and change his depends.
Of course, it’s all projection, and a lame attempt by Mr Bubbles to cover up the fact that really big money is propping up his child prodigy, the debate fearing Michael Mann…
…which reminds me, has a ‘consensus’ been established as to whether Mann is another Wei-Chyung Wang, or just a garden variety incompetent? Enquiring minds want to know. ☺