This rebuttal comment to I’ll Trade You Cuccinelli For Splattergate With A Player To Be Named Later was so well written, and so extensive, I felt that it deserves the honor of a guest post status.
– Anthony
Guest Post by Thomas Fuller
But it didn’t rise to a criminal level (that was the UK deleting emails in advance of Freedom of Information requests, not Michael Mann). What Ken Cuccinelli is doing is going fishing for wrongdoing without an allegation of such wrongdoing–and that’s not how we should be doing things in this country.
I’ll get a lot of flack from you on this–and don’t be shy, I can take it. But remember as you write–District Attorneys are not always Republican, and controversial scientists can be skeptics at times, too. Don’t let your desire for a short term victory in the daily news cycle let you ignore what would be an erosion of all our civil liberties, I beg of you.
Let’s begin by examining the validity of your statement, “But it didn’t rise to a criminal level (that was the UK deleting emails in advance of Freedom of Information requests, not Michael Mann). What Ken Cuccinelli is doing is going fishing for wrongdoing without an allegation of such wrongdoing–and that’s not how we should be doing things in this country.” On the contrary, there are outstanding allegations of wrongdoing.
Michael Mann and the University of Virginia refused to comply with the law and a citizen’s lawful FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request for e-mail held by the University, claiming the e-mail no longer existed. When Virginia Attorney General Cuccinelli served a subpoena on the University to deliver the e-mail, the supposedly deleted and non-existent e-mail was recovered from the University computer servers. Consequently, it appears there is every reason to suspect a crime was committed when the citizen’s FOIA request was denied on the basis of a fraudulent claim of destruction of the e-mail. Unlike the case with the University of East Anglia, the statute of Limiitations is likely to remain in force in the Virginia case. It remains to be determined whether or not the evidentiary discovery will support misdemeanor and/or felony charges. That is the purpose and due process of law for which the CID is needed and proper.
Then there is the issue of the $466,000 (nearly a half million dollars) in grant monies Michael Mann solicited and received from the State of Virginia and its taxpayers, in addition to the huge sums of money he and the University of Virginia received from the U.S. Government. It has been argued by a group of scientists and others that Michael Mann and the University of Virginia should somehow be uniquely immune from a Civil Investigative Demand (CID) in a prima facie FOIA and/or fraud criminal case on the basis of some unwritten gentleman’s agreement to avoid interference with the intellectual freedom of scientists. Thusly, these same people see no cognitive dissonance, hypocrisy, or injustice when they punished, sanctioned, threatened, intimidated, and/or defrauded non-scientists and dissenting scientists by dismissing state climatologists, dissenting climate scientists, dissenting meteorologists, academics, students, political appointees, and others without any Civil Investigative Demand, administrative board hearing, arraignment and trial, or other due process of law thay are now claiming for Michael Mann and the University of Virginia without any statutory or constitutional right.
Rubbing salt into the wounds of the public they have wronged for many years, they are trying to carve out a privileged position of immunity for themselves just as the Members of Congress have done so before them. Discriminating against other classes of citizens, these so-called scientists want to enjoy an immunity from investigation and prosecution not enjoyed by other citizens in our society. Expressing outrage that anyone would seek to interfere with the privacy of their communications and right to publish their communications while remaining immune from due process of law, members of their class of citizens have been running rampant in innumerable criminal cases of defrauding governments, businesses, private citizens, and causing the deaths of private citizens.
For one example, Dr. Scott Reuben pled guilty to numerous charges of fraud in which he faked numerous medical studies published in medical journals as peer reviewed research for such companies as Pfizer. Despite the peer reviews, Dr. Reuben didn’t even have any patients enrolled in his faked patient studies. Physicians relied upon these faked perr reviewed papers to provide medical care to their patients. It was subsequently determined that Dr. Scott Reuben had been faking a number of medical studies for some thirteen years without being discovered and prosecuted.
Somewhere there is someone reading the forgoing and saying Dr. Reuben is just an isolated case, and his fraud is not representative of any widespread scientific fraud. Unfortunately, they are just plain wrong and ignorant of the facts.
Take for another example, the problem with widespread fraud due to ghostwritten peer reviewed science papers. Acta Crystallographica Section E was compelled to retract more than 70 peer reviewed papers ghostwritten by Chinese scientists as faked or fraudulent studies. Pharmaceutical companies have a reputation for ghostwriting peer reviewed studies in-house and then paying medical doctors and scientists to permit their name to b used for publication of the studies. This fraudulent practice has been reported to be widespread in the pharmaceutical industry and some academia for many years as an outgrowth of the academic practice of using graduate students to perform service for their superiors holding doctorates. The University of Alabama at Birmingham has been yet another academic institution which had to retract a number of fraudulent peer reviewed papers and remove eleven proteins registered in a database of such proteins used in science.
The fallout from the notoriously fraudulent stem cell research of Hwang Woo-suk and the investigation of his associate, Professor Gerald P. Schatten of University of Pittsburgh have been ongoing.
Closer to NASA there is the case of Samim Anghaie, his wife, and their business, NETECH, which fraudulently obtained 2.5 million dollars in contracts from NASA among the 13 U.S. government contracts totalling 3.4 million dollars.
Within climate science there has been a number of incidents of suspected fraud, one of which was reported by Dr. S. Fred Singer described the allegations of either fabrication of Chinese weather station data or plagiarism by Wei-Chyung Wang, University of Albany, from work by his colleague in China, Zhaomei Zeng.
Suffice it to observe, scientific fraud is not at all uncommon, and some commentators describe scientific fraud as being rampant. Looking at the known incidents of scientific fraud, it can be seen the perpetration of such fraud is highly rewarding with grants and contracts amounting in various examples as $70,000, $466,000, and $3,400,000. Whistleblowers are typically punished for their honesty, resulting in great reluctance to disclose such scientific fraud or enthusiastic cooperation with such fraud.
In your statement, “But remember as you write–District Attorneys are not always Republican, and controversial scientists can be skeptics at times, too,” you indulge in a fallacy seemingly common to many so-called Liberal-Left Democrats. You see opponents as necessarily being some kind of badly fundamental religious Right-wing extremist or at least some misguided minority Right-wing-nut Republican. Well, such ideas are extremist fantasies. There ae a great many people who describe themselves, as Republicans, yes, but also Democrats, Libertarians, independents, and others who insist upon honesty, integrity, and impartiality. A great many of these people cheerfully wish a pox on all politicians, activists, and Lamestream journalists who seek to frustrate the ability of ordinary citizens to govern their own lives free of interference by by people who think they know better what is best for other people besides themselves and seek to make themselves immune from the same rules and burdens they would impose on others. Whether it is the special immunities and privileges the MainStream Media (MSM) seek to deny ordinary citizen journalists or the climate data and information climate scientists attempt to deny ordinary citizen observers of climate science, you don’t have to be a Republican, a political conservative, or a right-wing-nut, to join with our political opponents in demanding non-discriminatory application of the due process of law to scientists the same as other citizens and professions.
At the very least, the University of Virginia and/or Michael Mann appear to be liable to investigation and prosecution for the violation of laws relating to the FOIA release of the e-mail evidencing Michael Mann’s involvement in the handling of $466,000 of state grant funds. There is more than ample evidence that scientific fraud is a common enough crime to warrant investigations, and convincing evidence of at least some violations of law with respect to FOIA disclosures. Scientists are not yet privileged with the immunity needed to commit FOIA violations and scientific fraud with complete immunity from investigation and prosecution. let the Attorney General represent the citizens of Virginia and safeguard their taxpayer monies and their right to the freedom of information guaranteed by written laws.
Tom Fuller states; “I believe the University has a lower level of diligence required of it to search for and produce information for FOI than say, in response to a subpoena”.
On this I disagree. FOI was enacted for a purpose. Interpretation of it falls to the courts, not the recipients.
I can write short ones, but anything longer does not stick
Michael Mann is the grant rainmaker. But many of these grants appear to be nothing more than bribes, such as geologist Mann’s $1.8 million gift to study “mosquito vectors”. Ken Cuccinelli is right to investigate the perversion of science that results because the public is forced to fund this hifalutin’-sounding payola:
Mann’s recent government/NGO grants:
Development of a Northern Hemisphere Gridded Precipitation Dataset Spanning the Past Half Millennium for Analyzing Interannual and Longer-Term Variability in the Monsoons: $250,000
Quantifying the influence of environmental temperature on transmission of vector-borne diseases: $1,884,991
Toward Improved Projections of the Climate Response to Anthropogenic Forcing: Combining Paleoclimate Proxy and Instrumental Observations with an Earth System Model: $541,184
A Framework for Probabilistic Projections of Energy-Relevant Streamflow Indices: $330,000
AMS Industry/Government Graduate Fellowship: $23,000
Climate Change Collective Learning and Observatory Network in Ghana: $759,928
Analysis and testing of proxy-based climate reconstructions: $459,000
Constraining the Tropical Pacific’s Role in Low-Frequency Climate Change of the Last Millennium,: $68,065
Acquisition of high-performance computing cluster for the Penn State Earth System Science Center (ESSC): $100,000
Decadal Variability in the Tropical Indo-Pacific: Integrating Paleo & Coupled Model Results: $102,000
Reconstruction and Analysis of Patterns of Climate Variability Over the Last One to Two Millennia: $315,000
Remote Observations of Ice Sheet Surface Temperature: Toward Multi-Proxy Reconstruction of Antarctic Climate Variability: $133,000
Paleoclimatic Reconstructions of the Arctic Oscillation: $14,400
Global Multidecadal-to-Century-Scale Oscillations During the Last 1000 years: $20,775
Resolving the Scale-wise Sensitivities in the Dynamical Coupling Between Climate and the Biosphere: $214,700
Advancing predictive models of marine sediment transport: $20,775
Multiproxy Climate Reconstruction: Extension in Space and Time, and Model/Data Intercomparison: $381,647
The changing seasons? Detecting and understanding climatic change: $266,235
Patterns of Organized Climatic Variability: Spatio-Temporal Analysis of Globally Distributed Climate Proxy Records and Long-term Model Integrations: $270,000
Investigation of Patterns of Organized Large-Scale Climatic Variability During the Last Millennium: $78,000
Mann was recently just an adjunct professor. Those defending him should ask themselves why various governments and NGOs are shoveling so much money at him.
Why is Michael Mann the recipient of this immense payola? Is it because he promotes the [repeatedly debunked] notion that CO2 drives the climate – and so therefore “carbon” must be regulated by governments?
Those who believe this is all innocent have no understanding of human nature, or of Machiavelli’s dictum: Men are evil, unless compelled to be good.
If the Virginia Attorney General is barred from compelling fiduciary honesty, who will represent those of us paying the freight? Anyone? Or do these ravenous tax-sucking hyenas get unfettered access to our tax dollars, without restrictions of any kind?
The barometer in this legal battle is UVa, since they know far better than the AG and perhaps even as much as silent Mann if there are serious legal problems. And guess what? They’re fighting it just like a guilty party, using every legal maneuver and silly canard to avoid having to comply with the laws of Virginia. They’ve invented defensive arguments that makes them look foolish.
A telling barometer, indeed!
And to what end? What degree of openess and thruthfullness do they wish to convey and how does this improve their credibility with tax-paying citizens of that great state, prospective and current students, and especially to alumni who are now embarrassed to admit they have degrees from that institution. The UVa is seriously misguided in their approach.
So anyone that defends Mann, UVa, or other would-be “scientists” because such action may tarnish scientific reputations is devoid of common sense and should be required to take a course in ethics and have to PASS it. You’d think the UVa, who supposedly offers such courses, would understand this better than anyone.
I no longer look at the UVa as a bastion of truthful education. They are corrupt.
Cliff says:
October 7, 2010 at 5:24 am
I come to this site for science that might be persuasive against AGW. But posts like this basically destroy the credibility of this site.
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Let’s start with the FOIA nonsense. Has anyone here read Cookinellli’s new CID?
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You destroy your own credibility when you distort people’s names on purpose.
Obtaining and accepting a driver’s license comes with the assumption that by doing so you waive certain rights and freedoms. Your only recourse is not to drive on public roads. If you don’t like the rules, don’t play the game. This should apply to anyone who seeks and accepts public money, whether it be a research grant or welfare. Acceptance comes with the assumption that we, the people who provide that public money, have an unalienable right to investigate any circumstance that is suspect involving use of those funds.
Smokey:
Mann is really working cheap on this stuff. For example: “Paleoclimatic Reconstructions of the Arctic Oscillation: $14,400” If that’s all he’s getting for this project, I wouldn’t expect much of a reconstruction. Hopefully, this is just a plus-up for another contract. $14k is like 4 months of a grad student, converence, pub fees, supplies and overhead plus a small percentage of Mann’s time. There seem to be too many grants and not enough money in any one of them to really accomplish the task proposed.
This is an entertaining thread. I am enjoying it.
But this post and previous posts are like a discussion of the merits of a movie before the movie has even been produced yet.
FACT: Cuccinelli is acting based on the laws of Virginia that he is empowered to use. The legal system of that state is in the process of deciding the appropriateness of both Cuccinelli’s actions and the UoV actions. It is a fine example of the rule of law that the USA should be proud of (with all it’s warts). IT IS LIKE WATCHING A DUCK. You are only seeing what the UoV and Cuccinelli are doing in public. You are not seeing theier interactions in private.
Don’t be naive. Do you really think that the UoV and Cuccinelli haven’t been talking behind the scenes already and haven’t been working on an understanding? Don’t you think it is probable that they are working to separate out UoV from Mann to keep the UoV in the clear? I think the UoV tried to bluster initially, but I think they know it is in their best interests to discuss this with Cuccinelli privately.
John
If Dr Mann produced the Hockey Stick during his work in Virginia, then he is guilty of fraud. There is absolutely no way that the Hockey Stick graph was produced by innocent manipulation of data. The selectivity impressed on the data and the clearly spurious computer programming used to process the selected data cannot be done by mistake or by normally applied data processing techniques. He had to know that he was crafting a graph that did not honestly represent the data.
Creating an honest graph and misinterpreting it is fine, stupid, but fine. But producing a dishonest graph and then “properly” interpreting it is wrong; it is fraud when policy decisions are known to rest on the conclusions from such a graph.
Smokey, I came close to spitting a cup of coffee over my keyboard when I read the figures in your post. If these are correct (and I have no doubt they are) Mann is not and academic, he’s an industry, with a higher turnover of cash than some small banana republics. Knowing that a large proportion of any grant gets spread around the employing university, small wonder he is being protected fiercely!
@D. Patterson
This claim raises several important questions that remain unanswered:
Which FOIA request are you referring to?
What is the nature of the specific email that you are claiming was deleted?
How does acknowledging the non-existence of a requested email constitute non-compliance with the law?
Again, what email are you referring to? The original subpoena didn’t mention any specific email but instead made a blanket request for all correspondence that matched certain criteria. Furthermore, the University never bothered to comply with the subpoena because their legal team filed suit to have it dismissed and won. Hence, no emails were ever delivered to the Attorney General.
In light of the above non-controversial and well established facts, how could this mysterious (and increasingly hypothetical) email have been “recovered from the University computer servers”? Are you privy to some internal UVa data archiving secrets that the rest of us are not?
We have rule of law, and of the tomtoms.
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Rockyroad,
“So anyone that defends Mann, UVa, or other would-be “scientists” because such action may tarnish scientific reputations”
This is a strawman. Nobody is arguing that. The AG is going to be laughed out of the courtroom as a kook. His argument is bad science = criminal fraud. The judge hasn’t bought it, and he’s not going to buy it.
You guys just don’t get it. Fraud is reserved for deliberate efforts to lie to obtain money. Can’t we stop with the conspiracy theory wacka do stuff and focus on the science for or against AGW. Mann at best was wrong, or practiced bad science. The process in science to address that is more science, not criminal investigations and prosecutions.
I almost think you guys are afraid of the science – if you want to focus so much on criminalizing those that take views opposed to yours.
Rockyroad,
“Cliff says:
October 7, 2010 at 5:24 am
I come to this site for science that might be persuasive against AGW. But posts like this basically destroy the credibility of this site.
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Let’s start with the FOIA nonsense. Has anyone here read Cookinellli’s new CID?
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You destroy your own credibility when you distort people’s names on purpose.”
YOu’re right, I shouldn’t have mispelled his name. I got a little overheated because what he is doing is outright crazy.
Now do you want to address any of my points, or should we assume you have no answer.
Well written and argued. If there is nothing to hide then documents would be freely released. This has nothing to do with academic freedom but maybe everything to do with academic skullduggery. Look what happened when Steve M eventually got hold of the data.
The majesty of the Law is the only way to stop our governments from committing economic hari-kari.
A notable first for the Kiwis may signal a tipping point.
Anthony are you going to allow this nonsense?
Smokey says:
October 7, 2010 at 5:37 am
Michael Mann is the grant rainmaker. But many of these grants appear to be nothing more than bribes, such as geologist Mann’s $1.8 million gift to study “mosquito vectors”.
For the record the grant in question was awarded to Matthew Thomas Professor of Entomology at Penn State!
kim,
Thanks for the ‘spewing / coughing my coffee on the keyboard’ moment. Do you write for JOSH?
Great line.
John
Given the fact that someone, somewhere, is fairly regularly having to “apologize” for the scientific sins committed in the past, I must ponder when I realize no overt efforts to prevent that same mind set from re-occurring are now in place. The same club exists. The same form of peer review is in place. The same “Access Denied” ivory tower stands on a hill. Decades from now, someone, somewhere, will fairly regularly be “apologizing” for the scientific sins being committed now.
@ur momisugly Thomas Fuller
You seem to have an improper juxtaposition of examples here. You’re saying that the target of an investigation into a scientist who received large amounts of recognition and government funding might be ok if he broke the law, but it would have a chilling effect on the scientists who publish papers that are on the fringe. The problem with that argument is that the scientists who are on the fringe are almost never government supported, and certainly are not high-profile. A representative government by its nature will choose fund public research that is palatable to it’s constituents. You will *rarely* see such a body get away with spending money on “fringe” science.
Smokey.
Wow, omigosh and other expletives. Amazing figures. No wonder UVa don’t want anyone to look too closely.
We don’t need a reason to investigate. It’s public money. Anything to do with the grant should be available to investigators at any moment in time. They should be able to walk into any state office and immediately see any documentation related to state money. And they should be treated efficiently and courteously.
The IRS doesn’t need a reason to audit someone. They just pick people and check out their records. Whenever they want to. Tom in Florida is exactly correct.
Good grief, Smokey. It’s for sure the guy doesn’t have any time for actually doing research! No wonder they are trying to protect him. Who does he know?
Also, I’m mostly unconcerned with the academic issues. Did Mann do good science? As to his grants, I agree it doesn’t matter a whole lot. What did he do with all of that money? How was it managed? Who in the university manages that? Were all the forms filled out? Who signed those public documents? Did the grantors receive all of the results, data, and conclusions, in correct form, that were spelled out in the grant agreements?
Did the US Federal Government receive EVERYTHING promised in it’s agreements with UEA? All of the data, results, conclusions, etc that were originally specified? Did someone check? Who checked? I have no problems with grants like Mann’s and UEA’s being investigated every couple of years. Completely and thoroughly. The accounting by the university being audited by the state is fine with me. Whether they think there is cause or not.
Who are you people out there that think that public, taxpayer funded projects cannot, and should not, be audited any time of the day or night by the state or federal government. It’s our money and we should be cheering everytime they go take a look. If everyone is clean, so much the better. Everyone walks out of the room feeling good. It should be like the health inspector. Walk in the door, poke around, look at all of the documents, what got spent, who got employed, what got bought, everything!
From Smokey’s listing of Mann’s grants, I wonder for how many is Mann the sole or even primary researcher? I assume that he played a small role in most of them. The biggest part of academic grants is often for supporting postdocs and graduate students. How many graduate students does Mann have? How many years did the grants cover and were all of these grants funded?
Tom –
Overall, I think that you are probably right in your assessment that we need to be cautious in our decisions regarding when to criminalize scientific misbehavior. Not having read Mann’s code, I will accept other’s statements that it does not rise to the level of fraud. One would hope that the scientific community would police itself, much like we hope that lawyers and doctors police themselves; but that hope is misplaced and society needs to make rules.
My modest proposal for a “safe harbor” for scientists would be that if all source data, methods and notes are published and freely available, then a scientist is presumed to have acted in good faith.
I must take one exception to your comments posted in response at October 6, 2010 at 11:40 pm. You wrote:
“The United States has seen fit to treat differing classes of industry sectors differently in regards to various laws. The most obvious is the greater license granted to journalists, given what the state recognizes as a compelling need for a fourth estate to monitor the behaviour of the great and mighty. ”
This statement is false.
In Citizens United v. FEC, the Justices noted that “the court has consistently rejected the proposition that the institutional press has any constitutional privilege beyond that of other speakers.” [see WSJ, “Of Scoundrels and Speech”, 10/7/2010]
The first amendment is not a law or a regulation, but a right. It is true that the current congressional leadership has discussed trying to grant the MSM special privilege with regards to reporting on political speech, and that one could interpret current campaign finance law as providing such a privilege, but the court, despite the best efforts of congress, clearly tries to keep rights equal amongst citizens.
Congress routinely exempts themselves from the regulations and laws they burden us with — all the more reason to throw them all out — but those are not rights.
Brent.
Tom Fuller:
“I greatly fear that this may serve as a precedent that will be used to marginalize and even silence scientists that publish papers that may offend the majority rather than support it, as in Mann’s case.”
Surely a legal process is an expensive and time consuming process. It is not something that an attorney working for an elected government would undertake lightly – in effect the end result of the science being accepted has to have a high impact on society. If you publish science which the government has taken seriously enough to enact laws on the back of it – at great expense to the taxpayer it is perfectly proper that the legal system holds you to a higher level of proof than if you publish a paper on the mating behaviour of tapeworms.
If this were rich individuals – who had not paid for the science – requesting the information I could agree it would be able to be used to suppress dissent – the attorney office would be looking pretty vindictive if the University were co-operating.
Imagine a company paid the University a million dollars in research grants for a particular piece of science. When attempting to use it it seemed to be faulty. They asked the university to provide details of what they had done, and how they spent the money. The university refused. Is that company then supposed to hire a different University to repeat the science – or should they follow the legal process to get the information? Imagine a university did a drug trial, found the substance was safe, people started dieing from the drug and the university refused to provide details of the trial.
RockyRoad says:
October 7, 2010 at 5:55 am
Cliff says:
October 7, 2010 at 5:24 am
I come to this site for science that might be persuasive against AGW. But posts like this basically destroy the credibility of this site.
(…)
Let’s start with the FOIA nonsense. Has anyone here read Cookinellli’s new CID?
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You destroy your own credibility when you distort people’s names on purpose.
We should remember that when someone on here distort’s Gore’s name or Mann’s name for example.