Unsustainable cow manure

Since we are watching the plight of the Thompsons in Australia over cow manure, this submission titled “Unsustainable cow manure” on sustainable energy sent to me by Paul Driessen seemed appropriate. I put solar on my own home and a school in my school district. Without “OPM”, they would not have been viable, so he has a point- Anthony

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Sustainable, affordable, eco-friendly renewable energy, my eye

Paul Driessen

Seek a sustainable future! Wind, solar and biofuels will ensure an eco-friendly, climate-protecting, planet-saving, sustainable inheritance for our children. Or so we are told by activists and politicians intent on enacting new renewable energy standards, mandates and subsidies during a lame duck session. It may be useful to address some basic issues, before going further down the road to Renewable Utopia.

First, when exactly is something not sustainable? When known deposits (proven reserves) may be depleted in ten years? 50? 100? What if looming depletion results from government policies that forbid access to lands that might contain new deposits – as with US onshore and offshore prospects for oil, gas, coal, uranium, rare earth minerals and other vital resources?

Rising prices, new theories about mineral formation, and improved discovery and extraction technologies and techniques typically expand energy and mineral reserves – postponing depletion by years or decades, as in the case of oil and natural gas. But legislation, regulation, taxation and litigation prevent these processes from working properly, hasten depletion, and make “sustainability” an even more politicized, manipulated and meaningless concept.

Second, should the quest for mandated “sustainable” technologies be based on real, immediate threats – or will imaginary or exaggerated crises suffice? Dangerous manmade global cooling morphed into dangerous manmade global warming, then into “global climate disruption” – driven by computer models and disaster scenarios, doctored temperature data, manipulated peer reviews, and bogus claims about melting glaciers and rising sea levels. Shouldn’t policies that replace reliable, affordable energy with expensive, intermittent, land-intensive, subsidized sources be based on solid, replicable science?

Third, shouldn’t inconvenient sustainability issues be resolved before we proceed any further, by applying the same guidelines to renewable energy as courts, regulators and eco-activists apply to petroleum?

Most oil, gas, coal and uranium operations impact limited acreage for limited times – and affected areas must be restored to natural conditions when production ends. Effects on air and water quality, habitats and protected species are addressed through regulations, lease restrictions and fines. The operations generate vast amounts of affordable, reliable energy from relatively small tracts of land, and substantial revenues.

Wind turbines generate small amounts of expensive, unreliable electricity from gargantuan installations on thousands of acres. Turbines and their associated transmission lines dominate scenic vistas, disrupt habitats and migratory routes, affect water drainage patterns, impede crop dusting and other activities, and kill bats, raptors and other birds, including endangered species that would bring major fines if the corporate killers were oil or mining companies. And yet, wind operators receive exemptions from environmental review, biodiversity and endangered species laws that traditional energy companies must follow – on the ground that such rules would raise costs and delay construction of “eco-friendly” projects.

Kentucky’s Cardinal coal mine alone produces 75% of the Btu energy generated by all the wind turbines and solar panels in the USA, Power Hungry author Robert Bryce calculates. Unspoiled vistas, rural and maritime tranquility, and bald eagles will all be endangered if 20% wind power mandates are enacted.

The Palo Verde Nuclear Power Station near Phoenix generates nearly 900 times more electricity than Nevada’s Nellis Air Force Base photovoltaic panels, on less land, for 1/15 the cost per kWh – and does it 90% of the time, versus 30% of the time for the Nellis array. Generating Palo Verde’s electrical output via Nellis technology would require solar arrays across an area ten times larger than Washington, DC.

Building enough photovoltaic arrays to power Los Angeles would mean blanketing thousands of square miles of desert habitat. Once built, solar and wind systems will be there just this side of forever, since there will be no energy production if we let them decay, after shutting down whatever hydrocarbon operations aren’t needed to fuel backup generators that keep wind and solar facilities operational.

Wind and solar power also mean there is a sudden demand for tons of rare earth elements that weren’t terribly important a decade ago. They exist in very low concentrations, require mining and milling massive amounts of rock and ore to get the needed minerals, and thus impose huge ecological impacts.

If mountaintop removal to extract high quality coal at reduced risk to miners is unacceptable and unsustainable – how is it eco-friendly and sustainable to clear-cut mountain vistas for wind turbines? Blanket thousands of square miles with habitat-suffocating solar panels? Or remove mountains of rock to mine low-grade rare earth mineral deposits for solar panel films, hybrid batteries and turbine magnets?

Since any undiscovered US rare earth deposits are likely locked up in wilderness and other restricted land use areas, virtually no exploration or development will take place here. We will thus be dependent on foreign suppliers, like China, which are using them in their own manufacturing operations – and selling us finished wind turbines, solar panels and hybrid car batteries. The United States will thus be dependent on foreign suppliers for renewable energy, just as we rely on foreign countries for oil and uranium.

To claim any of this is ecologically or economically sustainable strains credulity.

Green jobs will mostly be overseas, subsidized by US tax and energy dollars – other people’s money (OPM). Indeed, Americans have already spent over $20 billion in stimulus money on “green” energy projects. However, 80% of the funding for some of them went to China, India, South Korea and Spain, and three-fourth of the turbines for eleven US wind projects were made overseas. This is intolerable, indefensible and unsustainable. But it gets worse.

Denver’s Nature and Science Museum used $720,000 in stimulus money to install photovoltaic panels and reduce its electricity bills by 20 percent. The panels may last 25 years, whereas it will take 110 years to save enough on those bills to pay for the panels – and by then four more sets of panels will be needed.

As to biofuels, the US Navy recently waxed ecstatic over its success with camellia-based eco-fuel in fighter jets. But the PC biofuel costs $67.50 per gallon, versus $5.00 per gallon for commercial jet fuel.

To meet the 36-billion-gallons-a-year-by-2022 federal ethanol diktat, we would have to grow corn on cropland and wildlife habitat the size of Georgia, to get 15 billion gallons of corn-based ethanol – plus switchgrass on farmlands and habitats the size of South Carolina, to produce 21 billion gallons of “advanced biofuel.” By contrast, we could produce 670 billion gallons of oil from frozen tundra equal to 1/20 of Washington, DC, if the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge weren’t off limits.

OPM-subsidized ethanol also means a few corn growers and ethanol refiners make hefty profits. But chicken and beef producers, manufacturers that need corn syrup, and families of all stripes get pounded by soaring costs, to generate a fuel that gets one-third less mileage per tank than gasoline.

Hydrocarbons fueled the most amazing and sustained progress in human history. Rejecting further progress – in the name of sustainability or climate protection – requires solid evidence that we face catastrophes if we don’t switch to “sustainable” alternatives. Computer-generated disaster scenarios and bald assertions by Al Gore, Harry Reid, John Holdren and President Obama just don’t make the grade.

We need to improve energy efficiency and conserve resources. Science and technology will continue the great strides we have made in that regard. Politically motivated mandates will impose huge costs for few benefits. Sustainability claims will simply redistribute smaller shares of a shrinking economic pie.

“Renewable” energy subsidies may sustain the jobs of lobbyists, activists, politicians, bureaucrats and politically connected companies. But they will kill millions of other people’s jobs.

Let’s be sure to remind our elected officials of this along their campaign trails – and on November 2.

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September 21, 2010 1:40 pm

Don Shaw says:
September 21, 2010 at 1:00 pm
A cellulos to ethanol plant was supposed to be built here in the UP of Michigan. Ground break was suppose to be last year. Nada yet.
A huge problem with the ethanol plants is the 1000:1 water to ethanol ratio. Using this much fresh water is not wise. Plus a tank full of ethanol for a large SUV is equal to enough calories to feet a human for a year. A very bad use of food, burning it in cars.

Enneagram
September 21, 2010 1:43 pm

The greenest possible car: Fred Flintstone’s car

JPeden
September 21, 2010 1:47 pm

pedex says:
September 21, 2010 at 10:26 am:
…oil fields deplete, so do coal seams, get over it…and there is no replacement
pedex, Iran just finished its first nuclear power plant. Maybe later they’ll figure out how to refine their own oil? The French have 3x the nuc. plants/population compared to the U.S. and get 75-80% of their electricity from them.
Apparently, they’re “over it”.
pedex, with full knowledge of the ipcc “Climate Science”, China and India are “getting over” in the meantime by constructing coal fired electricity plants up the yin-yang.
pedex, what does everyone else know that you don’t know?

John F. Hultquist
September 21, 2010 2:11 pm

I think the post and the comments are all over-generalized and as one example only I present:
Steve Schaper says: at 10:40 am
“Wind generators are built on the prairie, not mountain tops”
Which is not true as shown here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Horse_Wind_Farm
These are on high ridges (between 4,000 and 5,000 feet) near Ellensburg, WA and can be seen from 40 miles away. No “clear cutting” was involved as there were no trees. They did flatten a bit of ridge top for their solar panels, though. In another part of the county there are plans for a large area vegetation removal for solar panels with panel production on site:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/275770
Note that this project is not in the southwest US where solar is supposed to be found.

Kum Dollison
September 21, 2010 2:13 pm

The $0.45/gal “blending” subsidy is, almost certainly, going away Jan 1st.
But, we’ll still be spending $100 Billion/Yr, or so, in Iraq, and the Persian Gulf. What is that – about $0.70 for every gallon of gasoline that we use?
And, we’ll still be in horrible shape with our “balance of payments” as a result of sending $300 Billion/Yr “Overseas” for a resource that’s Consumed on a daily basis.
And, we’ll still be giving the oil companies Billions of Dollars of Tax Breaks every year (Deep Water Tax Credits, Oil Depletion Allowances, etc.)
As for water: 96% of the ethanol in your gas tank was produced from “Non-Irrigated” Corn. Approx 3,500 btus of petroleum are used (field to wheel) to produce 76,000 btus of ethanol, and about 30,000 btus of nat gas. The average of Ethanol from ALL refineries is about 1 btu In, 2.3 BTUs Out.

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
September 21, 2010 2:17 pm

OPM-subsidized ethanol also means a few corn growers and ethanol refiners make hefty profits. But chicken and beef producers, manufacturers that need corn syrup, and families of all stripes get pounded by soaring costs, to generate a fuel that gets one-third less mileage per tank than gasoline.
Don’t worry about the corn syrup. The kissing cousins of the (C)AGW proponents in the Nanny State Family, the healthier-eating-through-government-control advocates, have stirred up the hornet’s nest against all corn syrup while pounding the high-fructose drum so FDA action is coming soon. They’ll do their best to kill off the market for that Dangerous Product.
These are the intelligent scientific people who warned us:
Meat is bad for your heart, go vegetarian!
(Dr. Atkins and recent studies show low-carb high-protein/fat is best for cardiovascular health.)
Coffee is bad for you and raises your blood pressure, at least drink decaffeinated!
(Brewed coffee is chock full of antioxidants, regular drinkers have no blood pressure rise, a pot or more a day has no known risks, and decaf is bad due to chemical processing to remove the caffeine.)
Women need their calcium supplements!
(Studies show pill supplements alone aren’t working in post-menopausal women. Weight-bearing exercise builds bone mass, in those not getting such exercise. The drugs that force bone growth may lead to odd growths and other issues. The calcium needs to get stored when you are young with a growing skeleton. Without sufficient Vitamin D post-menopausal women are also prone to calcium deposits in the cardiovascular system, in arteries and at vessel openings and valves, as well as certain organs, and calcium supplements may worsen that.)
And now we know that high-fructose corn syrup is linked to everything from diabetes to cancer to Alzheimer’s. The experts have said it, it must be true. Bring on the government mandates to protect we ignorant consumers who have been lied to by the Big Corn Syrup lobby for so long!
Hmm, I got a bottle of Karo corn syrup around here, better alert the hazmat team…
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Irony Note: I see more brands of soda proudly labeled “Made with real sugar!” Weren’t we warned long ago to avoid soda BECAUSE it has sugar?

Chuck
September 21, 2010 2:17 pm

Ode Da Cow,
Oh’ Cow, mother of my milk,
To you is to blame for this heat.
You are mocked, you are tormented, you are ridiculed.
Greenies don’t want your Brownies.
Al waits to tax your backside.
What say you? Are not these honorable people?
I say, No!
You to will ask them about the Prime Cut, “Ate two, you Brutes? “Well TAX this Methane blast, you DemoRePuck
As the day draws to an end at the Dodge City Stockyard, you can hear from the road,
“Home, home on the range!”
Good night from yard that stinks up the town when the summer breezes blow the wrong way.

Justa Joe
September 21, 2010 2:20 pm

Larry Geiger says:
September 21, 2010 at 12:59 pm
“people in Europe already live better lives on half the energy that Americans use” -GM
A lot of verbiage being thrown around above, but I just don’t believe this one. I have no hard evidence and I have never been there, but I just plain don’t believe
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GM, uses the term “better lives” because it is a vague term that suggests a higher standard of living, but actually has no meaning.
People in Europe have a lower standard of living than people of the USA. Unless someone wants to cherry pick select countries, and there standard of living has nothing to do with their energy consumption.
World Top 10 – Countries with Highest
Standard of Living
1. Norway
2. Sweden
3. Canada
4. Belgium
5. Australia
6. United States
7. Iceland
8. Netherlands
9. Japan
10. Finland
Norway (huge oil producer), Sweden, and Belgium are tiny countries. I can’t accept comparing them to the USA. Australia has about 20 million & Canada has about 35 million. If you want to believe Canada and Australia have a higher standard of living than the USA go right ahead. I harbor doubt.

George E. Smith
September 21, 2010 2:22 pm

“”” REPLY: What I find most hilarious about Starbucks is that despite the green bent, “Ethos water”, and “fair trade” coffee, they don’t have a simple recycling bin in any store. Just try to dispose of any plastic or paper recyclable container at a Starbucks (like an “Ethos water” bottle) and ask them where the recycle container is. They don’t have one. What angers me is that as a citizen of my town I’m required to recycle and pay extra for it. These corporate weasels get off scot-free mixing garbage and recycle together. – Anthony “””
The local Starbucks, (which I just came from) has no recycling capability. I have several Starbucks cups which I try to remember to take to lunch when I go; but once in a while I forget to take one. On other occasions, I have bought a coffee at one of their stores, and taken it with me in my car; which means I have a paper starbucks cup in my car. So I took it into the local shop figuring I might as well just refill that. The chap looks at me, and says: “Refill ?” and I said no, not wanting to get a $1.50 cuppa for just the 50c refill price; I’ll just take the 10 cent reusable cup discount thanks. No can do; it is against company policy. He was ready to refill my cup for 50 cents; thinking I had already downed a full one at $1:50; well I had but that was yesterday. Big deal; I used to eat dirt when I was a kid.
I recycle when I can; it makes a lot of sense and not a lot of problems; but when it is just a marketing gimmic, it turns me off. And on the weekend, I can get a senior coffee at McDonalds for 38 cents; and they will give me a free refill; and every bit as good coffee as Starbucks. I never take the free refill; If I do refill, which is almost never I always pay the 38 cents; I’d rather they gave a free one to someone who has nothing; and I can afford the 38 cents. They still think I’m nutz anyway.

Tenuc
September 21, 2010 2:22 pm

James Sexton says:
September 21, 2010 at 10:39 am
“Well stated Paul. It is well past time this short-sighted lunacy end.”
I agree. This is a great post, Paul, which demonstrates the lunacy of what happens when you try to force the pace of change to ‘renewables’ before the economics are right.
However, what’s happening is not lunacy, it has been deliberately planned.
Control the money supply and you control the world… Control the energy supply and you own the world!

James Sexton
September 21, 2010 2:25 pm

Kum Dollison says:
September 21, 2010 at 12:38 pm
“That’s $300 Million Every Day (over $100 Billion Every Year) NOT going to the Royal Families of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and The UAE, Venezuela, Nigeria, and Russia.) That is $300 Million/Day staying home, and working here.”
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That argument is invalid. I would like to be able to cut them off, but, we could do that today without ethanol. It would simply take the collective will to allow the oil drillers to drill where they want. ANWR, the new basin found in ND and surrounding area, off-shore(near), ect.
We’re sending those people(Venz, UAE, ect.) money because people in this country put the interests of a tree above the interests of this nation and their fellow citizens.

Mic
September 21, 2010 2:25 pm

GM says: September 21, 2010 at 12:11 pm
But you can’t have 9 billion people living a Western lifestyle and that’s not because Holdren or me don’t like it, it’s because it’s a biophysical impossibility, the denial of which can only result in much much fewer than 9 billion people absolutely none of which will ever live a Western lifestyle again. That’s what we’re trying to prevent (or would be if we were a tiny fraction as smart as we think we are)
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GM: Who are the “we” you mention and how exactly going to do this may I ask?
Mic

September 21, 2010 2:36 pm

Energy use is “green speak” for WEALTH. And, yes, people who are less wealthy can have wonderful and fulfilling lives – but ‘better’? That is just horse-manure since there are infinite ways of measuring such an elusive thing… And someone proud of his intellect said that? Not so smart…
Here is a link to a wiki article on just that concept:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_energy_consumption_per_capita
Note that generally the poorer the country, the lower the energy use – imagine that! LOL

Justa Joe
September 21, 2010 2:48 pm

“And, we’ll still be giving the oil companies Billions of Dollars of Tax Breaks every year (Deep Water Tax Credits, Oil Depletion Allowances, etc.)” – KD
I love this logic. If the government takes less money from a company than someone thinks the govt. should take from said company even if said company is still paying through the nose then said company being given a gift. Does the oil industry get more “tax breaks” than other industries… doubtful.
The government makes more money on a gallon of gasoline than the oil companies. Who’s really subsidizing who?

GM
September 21, 2010 2:50 pm

Mic says:
September 21, 2010 at 2:25 pm
GM says: September 21, 2010 at 12:11 pm
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GM: Who are the “we” you mention and how exactly going to do this may I ask

When I say “we”, I mean the whole of humanity. And there are three ways to bring ourselves within the carrying capacity of the planet – increase death rates, reduce birth rates, reduce per capita resource consumption. The most painless combination is drastic reduction of birth rates plus moderate reduction of consumption. The most painful combination is what will happen in a BAU scenario – drastic increase in death rates combined with a drastic decrease in per capita consumption levels, all of that accompanied with a serious decrease of the long-term carrying capacity of the planet. I think the choice is clear to anyone with two functioning neurons in their brain

Curiousgeorge
September 21, 2010 3:11 pm

Kum Dollison says:
September 21, 2010 at 2:13 pm
You forgot the NPK, as well as sulfer and other ingredients, which must be mined, processed, shipped, packaged, etc., with attendant costs and fossil fuel use for the machinery doing the mining and so forth. N of course from Nat Gas, via Haber/Bosch.
As for cobs & stover, farmers are not being offered enough to make it worth while to collect it. They would need $100/ton and are only being offered $45-$60/dry ton. http://www.dtnprogressivefarmer.com/dtnag/common/link.do;jsessionid=78EE09311569C5098D9DFC1E5CFFC258.agfreejvm2?symbolicName=/ag/blogs/template1&blogHandle=ethanol&blogEntryId=8a82c0bc2a8c8730012aeca821b104a8

Ian H
September 21, 2010 3:16 pm

If newer technologies produce power efficiently and reliably people will use them. If oil is unsustainable and starts to run out, the price will go up and people will use less. There is a mechanism for answering such questions of economic utility that works quite efficiently. It is called a market. It beats a planned economy hands down.

Paul Deacon, Christchurch, New Zealand
September 21, 2010 3:30 pm

GM, never mind who are the “we”, who are you?
All the best.

Layne Blanchard
September 21, 2010 3:35 pm

GM says:
September 21, 2010 at 12:11 pm
You know GM, you guys are right. We’re doomed.
Let’s commit suicide and avoid the horribe end. You go first.

Layne Blanchard
September 21, 2010 4:04 pm

Justa Joe says:
September 21, 2010 at 2:20 pm
The published studies showing higher standards of living in Europe are as bogus as AGW. This is someone’s idealized notion of “better living”. Europe does not have a higher standard of living than the USA. I think they usually cite socialized medicine and cradle to grave social programs as their proof. It’s more a measure of Marxist Utopia than anything else. Some of them live longer on average…. often because they don’t eat like pigs and shoot each other in the streets.

GM
September 21, 2010 4:27 pm

Layne Blanchard says:
September 21, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Justa Joe says:
September 21, 2010 at 2:20 pm
The published studies showing higher standards of living in Europe are as bogus as AGW. This is someone’s idealized notion of “better living”. Europe does not have a higher standard of living than the USA. I think they usually cite socialized medicine and cradle to grave social programs as their proof. It’s more a measure of Marxist Utopia than anything else. Some of them live longer on average…. often because they don’t eat like pigs and shoot each other in the streets

Well, if dying of something completely preventable because you can’t afford to pay for healthcare, eating like pig until your arteries burst or you can’t move from obesity and getting shot on the street are your ideas of living well, then definitely the US has a better standard of living.
That’s not the argument though, the argument was that it is completely possible to live quite well with only half the energy consumption of the average US citizen, and that is not to imply that no energy or resources are being wasted in Europe, there is a lot of potential for improving efficiency further.
However, even that isn’t going to make us sustainable unless we also reduce our numbers to a level that can be supported on renewable energy and close to 100% recycling so that we buy ourselves enough time to figure out what we can do in the really long term. BAU means global civilizational collapse with 100% certainty and never recovering from it with 99+% certainty. I know the discount rates that some people are living with are so steep that when you tell them that, the only thing you’re going to get is a blank “What the #$*& are you talking about and why should I care about what’s going to happen 50 or 100 years from now?” stare (now try to talk with that kind of people about 1,000 or 10,000 years ahead in the future), but there are people who do care about more than their immediate gratification and they see the problems, despite the ridicule they get from those that don’t

DCC
September 21, 2010 4:33 pm

Kum Dollison said:

The $0.45/gal “blending” subsidy is, almost certainly, going away Jan 1st.

Let’s hope so.

And, we’ll still be giving the oil companies Billions of Dollars of Tax Breaks every year (Deep Water Tax Credits, Oil Depletion Allowances, etc.)

You might want to read up on depletion allowances. Cost depletion is essentially cost amortization. Percentage depletion has been reduced to 15% and no longer applies to about 35 major oil companies, just to the smaller independents. As for the rest of the story, Obama’s 2011 budget proposes eliminating nine so-called oil-company tax subsidies which, taken together, “save” $5 billion a year. They don’t really eliminate the deductions (except for percentage depletion for independents), they simply lengthen the period over which the deductions can be claimed.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2010/05/oil_company_subsidies.html
As for the Deep Water Royalty Relief Act of 1995, the basic problem there was that for a two-year period, the MMS screwed up when writing the regulations. Congress had intended there to be a sliding scale that phased out the relief as the price of oil rose past the $18/bbl price in 1995. The MMS has been renegotiating the ’98/’99 leases and six companies, including BP, ConocoPhillips, Marathon and Shell agreed in 2006 to pay full royalties (take no benefit from the Act). Deep water royalty relief is not on Obama’s list to remedy because MMS leases were corrected in 2000.
The GAO estimated that the MMS foul up on leases written in 1988 and 1999 has cost the government $1 billion. You might ask BP how important that is compared to a $32 billion loss on one well. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07682t.pdf

j.pickens
September 21, 2010 4:34 pm

Using my state tax dollars in New Jersey to subsidize crystalline silicon PV arrays is daft. New Jersey is too far North, and has too many hazy and cloudy days for the arrays to operate efficiently. They will NEVER, EVER generate as much energy as it takes to produce, install, interconnect, and maintain the arrays.
So, why is it “green” or “sustainable” to install them?

Don Shaw
September 21, 2010 4:37 pm

Kum,
As I told you several times before, the oil depletion allowance was ended in 1974.
Are you still living in the past?
Even then it only reduced taxes
Why do you still cling onto the non existant subsidies for oil.
Does anyone on this site believe your claims
Tell us more about all the subsidies for ethanol from corn or any other source

tarpon
September 21, 2010 4:40 pm

Somebody explain to me how burning forests for charcoal production makes any sense at all in today’s world. All for food cooking and heat … Aren’t there more effective ways to do this?
Is this what electricity was invented for?