Some days I think it can’t get any crazier out there, and then I’m surprised yet again.
From Dr. Loonie Lonnie Thompson, of Ohio State University:
“I think we’ll have to get off this planet for glaciology to have a future,” Thompson, a climate researcher with the Byrd Polar Research Center said at an international symposium at Ohio State University.
His next surprise came just last month, when he and a crew of OSU researchers went to Papua New Guinea’s largest ice cap to collect ice core samples.
The temperature was 50 degrees Fahrenheit when it should have been at least at the freezing point. Rain, not snow, fell on the crew.
The rain and the warm air threatened to erase the ice cap.
“That’s the scary part – the surprises and the things you don’t understand,” Thompson said.
Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/23/1788090/vanishing-ice-caps-have-experts.html#ixzz0xRKGw8MB
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Dr. Thompson if you leave Earth, will you leave the ice core data archives behind that Steve McIntyre has been asking for, for years now?
Kaufman et al: Obstructed by Thompson and Jacoby
“Thus, several years later, not just me, but young Arctic scientists are frustrated by data obstruction by Thompson and Jacoby. Unfortunately, these young scientists are unable or unwilling to record these frustrations in public and the records remain incomplete to this day.”
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Are you going to engage with the science or just make snide remarks?
REPLY: Perhaps you should ask that question of Dr. Thompson, anyone who suggests we all have to leave Earth to save his profession is really off the rails. He deserves the drubbing, especially since he won’t share data. You’d ensure no less in your blogospheric travels if I said something equally crazy. – Anthony
Brings back memories of Lonnie’s thermometer in Gore’s AIT. Wasn’t there a circular verification issue involving Thompson and Mann (MBH99)?
Yes, I can see his point. This is after all the first time in the history of the planet that ice has disappeared.
(Now where is those darm sarc tags…..)
lol @ur momisugly richard telford…
Engage with the science now? Wait… is clinical psychology a science or a discipline?
“The temperature was 50 degrees Fahrenheit when it should have been at least at the freezing point.”
The pendant in me wishes to point out that “at least at the freezing point” should be reworded to “at most at the freezing point.”
REPLY: And the journalist in me says “don’t rewrite the spoken quotes of people” – Anthony
Clinical science as a science or a discipline? It’s a social science – ’nuff said?
“The temperature was 50 degrees Fahrenheit when it should have been at least at the freezing point. ”
So the temperature anomaly at Papua New Guinea exceeds 18 degrees F (or10 K)? Doesn’t look like that much on the global map.
CodeTech said at 7:53 am
Wait… is clinical psychology a science or a discipline?
Neither. It’s a art form.
Anthony: Does he suggest a specific planet, Zork or Jkjuuvserfchsswq maybe?
REPLY: I figured it was assumed. Planet Green – Anthony
“That’s the scary part – the surprises and the things you don’t understand,” Thompson said.
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Thus the market for adult Depends
These people really are the weakest link. They are scared.
By the way, since we’re on it, I was at a backyard birthday BBQ on Saturday night. The temperature was 50F when it should have been at least 65. More likely it was a lot cooler. In fact, even many of my agw believer acquaintances (I don’t say friends, most of MY friends are smart people) are commenting on how we’ve skipped summer this year.
There are promising new therapies out there to help you deal with this, Dr. Thompson. However, you can start by realizing that the vast, overwhelming majority of things are things we don’t understand.
Vince Causey August 23, 2010 at 7:59 am
“The pendant in me wishes to point out…”
Must…suppress…internal pedant….
😉
Selected quotes: 1-6.
James Cameron’s key climate quotes:
Director James Cameron Unleashed: Calls for gun fight with global warming skeptics: ‘I want to call those deniers out into the street at high noon and shoot it out with those boneheads’
Cameron: ‘If we don’t do something, we’re all going to die! What’s it going to take, a big f#cking disaster with all kinds of people dying?’ March 1, 2010 – Grist Mag.
Cameron: ‘Anybody that is a global-warming denier at this point in time has got their head so deeply up their ass I’m not sure they could hear me.’ March 24, 2010
Director James Cameron: Climate Deniers Using ‘Talk-Show Host Puppets’ for ‘Disinformation Campaign’
James Cameron: Climate Change ‘As Great As The Threat’ U.S. Faced in World War II
James Cameron boldly slammed global warming skeptics as “swine” on the day he was supposed to be debating them. “I think they’re swine”
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“From King of the World to Chicken of the Sea: Director James Cameron challenges climate skeptics to debate and then bails out at last minute
Hide the Debate: Cameron ducks Climate Debate with Breitbart, Morano, & McElhinney”
http://www.climatedepot.com/a/7772/From-King-of-the-World-to-Chicken-of-the-Sea-Director-James-Cameron-challenges-climate-skeptics-to-debate-and-then-bails-out-at-last-minute
Well I would blame the head hunters for the missing ice cap.
Earth to Dr Thompson; we are talking about Papua New Guinea which lies between -3 and -10 deg latitude; and is about one of the most tropical places there is on this planet.
I would certainly be concenred if Papua was losing some of its fabulous wildlife; but it it hardly the last repository on earth of endangered ice caps. We’re coming out of an ice age Dr Tmompson; get over it.
Maybe we’ll get lucky and just Dr. Loonie will leave the planet.
Let him jump the queue. leave first, satisfy his inner Jorel.
Thompson should have gone back to Peru. The temperature there is below normal. Maybe that glacier is growing this year.
Why are there glaciers at all in Papua New Guinea? Isn’t the snow line at that latitude typically above 19,000 feet? Wouldn’t that be an interesting question to study?
In regard to the ice core data, if it isn’t shared and the method and results are not public then the data and results are not reproducible and therefore are not science at all. Pseudo science can be done anywhere by any Shaman or witch doctor.
According to Wikipedia, the area with glaciers in Papua is at 4000+ metres. Evidently they have been receding since the end of the LIA. The average temperature is about 0C. They are already small and anomalous. Their disappearance hardly justifies a call for us to abandon the planet.
I was afraid that that silly piece of fluffery on Papua New Guinea would make it on WUWT since the story first appeared several days ago. These people are so enamored of gloom and doom that they’ll likely miss it when the new ice age begins next week — or in a thousand years — except for a few marginalized skeptics.
Loonie T. should paint the glaciers white. I is obviously working in South America.
Hey what do you expect: this from a guy that Al Gore calls a, “good friend”.
I think, IMHO, that says it all, and on most levels concerning L. Thompsons professional ethic along with his “scientific” turpitude.
Would that Thompson had the courage and wherewithall to respond to this article. Well, thank heaven for Dr Curry. One in a million is not bad in today’s world.
Stop the world – he wants to get off!
Another candidate for permanent manned mission to Mars
James Cameron’s key climate quotes:
Director James Cameron Unleashed: Calls for gun fight with global warming skeptics: ‘I want to call those deniers out into the street at high noon and shoot it out with those boneheads’
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Yup, that makes about as much sense as jumping the planet because there’s rain in Papua New Guinea. RAIN, mind you! *sheesh* Talk about “boneheads”–Thompson and Camerson must be related.