MIT Professor Kerry Emanuel bothered by on-air meteorologists' lack of climate science knowledge

Journeyman Pictures has created a little 10-minute documentary that describes the perceived disconnect between the beliefs of on-air meteorologists and climatologists.  Of specific note are the comments of MIT professor Dr. Kerry Emanuel who sets up the premise of the question (and the documentary as a whole) and swings away (just after 5-minute mark):

PROFESSOR KERRY EMANUEL, CLIMATE SCIENTIST: Why would anybody ask weather forecasters about their opinion on climate? I think it is because there is a hope that I don’t think is justified that ordinary people will confuse weather forecasters with climate scientists.

Narrator:  Professor Kerry Emanuel is disparaging about what he perceives to be a lack of knowledge amongst many meteorologists.

PROFESSOR KERRY EMANUEL: Weather forecasters are in a unique position. I mean if they actually did study the problem, if they actually took the time to really understand it rather than just go to the blogosphere to get their favourite views and rebroadcast them, then I think they could do a lot of good in the world and I think there are some who are doing that to be fair.

Also featured is wrestler and full-time Accuweather soothsayer and forecaster Joe Bastardi who is a noted climate change skeptic.  Regardless, if you are reading this, you are not doing yourself or the world any good coming to the blogosphere and learning about climate.  Move along.

Embedding disabled by the makers of the documentary (only 302 views through midnight 08/24).  Here’s the Youtube link.

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Jeef
August 24, 2010 2:36 am

I’d rather listen to Nurse Gladys Emanuel than Kerry Emanuel.

Orson
August 24, 2010 2:54 am

As Volt Aire says, there are indeed: Paul Douglas in the Minneapolis area, for instance.
Co2fan writes:
Towards the end K. Emanual says:
“..we’ll figure out how to take carbon out of fossil fuels”
Chemistry must not have been one of his strong subjects, among others.

Indeed.
I once caught a grad student of Kerry’s weighing in on the comments of a Rivkin (NYTime’s) blog post. He also appeared to be an AGW true-believer, assuming the answers to many vexed scientific questions, not the least of which is climate sensitivity to added CO2.
Kerry and Richard Lindzen must have interesting faculty time – or so one might think. In fact, I’m pretty sure they don’t have them at all, except rarely.

August 24, 2010 3:05 am

(only 302 views through midnight 08/24).
304 as of whenever Now here happens to be Then there.
Is the narrator’s Brit accent supposed to lend additional credibility?

August 24, 2010 3:16 am

“Weather is climate. More specifically, aggregations of weather are climate. Means, averages, and distributions of daily weather comprise climate.”
See “Actually, Weather Is Climate” (William M. Briggs, Statistician & Consultant. Jan. 22, ’10), http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/actually-weather-is-climate/
I have built my trust (or lack thereof) on meteorologists along the years of grading their local daily forecasts for the next week.
Nobody will live long enough to grade global climatologists the exact same way, so we must use other means to place trust. Does Emanuel seem trustworthy, or arrogant and dismissive? What is his personal history?
Living in an island lower than 6 feet ASL I feared Al Gore’s ocean rising, this island being in the Caribbean, I feared his CO2-enhanced hurricanes. No more.
I explain at lenght at http://www.oarval.org/ClimateChange.htm

AndrewG
August 24, 2010 3:29 am

I think its quite important to differentiate Climate Scientists from Meteorologists.
-Meteorologists understand that a 7 day prediction is iffy and a 50 year prediction is impossible
-Meteorologists probably wont be accused of hubris, lies, gaining research funding under false pretenses, perverting scientific research or advocating actions that would make your average dictatorship blanch
– Meteorologists have a reputation for common sense and assessment of information
So lets give our gratitude to Prof Emanuel for both making sure Meteorologists keep their credibility and proving himself the arrogant ******* that he is

Editor
August 24, 2010 3:31 am

I’m “bothered“ by “climate scientists” who don’t know enough about Quaternary geology to place today’s weather into the proper climatological context.

August 24, 2010 3:47 am

and yet… and yet… it moves…
For key knowledge of Climate Science (the bits that matter, the uncertainty factors, the corruption of the raw data, etc etc), I don’t think Kerry Emanuel could hold a candle to our honourable host here.

RichieP
August 24, 2010 4:01 am

Bill Tuttle says:
August 24, 2010 at 3:05 am
“Is the narrator’s Brit accent supposed to lend additional credibility?”
Um, it’s not a Brit accent mate, it’s very Ozzie. I think you have the same kind of trouble as we have distinguishing between US and Canadian accents!
(Loved your time signature though 🙂 )

RichieP
August 24, 2010 4:07 am

re my last comment: … although I wait to be told by a Kiwi that it’s an NZ accent (which we Brits have equal difficulty distinguishing)

August 24, 2010 4:14 am

Jeef says:
August 24, 2010 at 2:36 am
“I’d rather listen to Nurse Gladys Emanuel than Kerry Emanuel.”
Now you mention it they do seem rather similar…
How about Nora Batty and her rumpled stockings?

Al Gore's Holy Hologram
August 24, 2010 4:17 am

“co2fan says:
August 23, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Towards the end K. Emanual says:
“..we’ll figure out how to take carbon out of fossil fuels”
He really meant fossil fools. It’s a new term for oil chemophobes.

August 24, 2010 4:20 am

I’m sure Ben Santer is hoping that he never meets Joe Bastardi up that dark alley…

Ken Hall
August 24, 2010 4:26 am

David Middleton… “I’m “bothered“ by “climate scientists” who don’t know enough about Quaternary geology to place today’s weather into the proper climatological context.”
Let’s put this debate into geological context then. This climate debate, and everything else we find important in our entire lives, will amount to no more than 1mm of bedrock in 50 million years time.
In other words, in 50 million years, the future geologists, of whatever species is dominant at that time, will only find evidence of our existence in 1 mm of bedrock. So that is ALL we are destined to become.
That is the climate debate in geological context.

Tom in Florida
August 24, 2010 4:46 am

Someone wrote on this blog that “climate is what you expect and weather is what you get.” I think that about sums it up.

anopheles
August 24, 2010 4:52 am

For information only, youtube video counts frequently hang at about 300. It i snot an indication of the popularity or otherwise of the clip, merely a bug (or possibly a youtube policy). They usually click up on a daily basis after the first hang.

Sue Smith
August 24, 2010 4:59 am

Bill Tuttle says:
August 24, 2010 at 3:05 am
“Is the narrator’s Brit accent supposed to lend additional credibility?”
Not a British accent. Australian or New Zealand.

kcom
August 24, 2010 5:21 am

“Also featured is wrestler and full-time Accuweather soothsayer and forecaster Joe Bastardi who is a noted climate change skeptic.
I really, really, really wish people wouldn’t write things like this. Each and every time this subject comes up the term should be noted AGW skeptic. We need to focus on the true topic of the skepticism, the theory of AGW, like a laser beam. The climate and the fact that it changes is not the subject of skepticism. In fact, it’s just the opposite. We’re not climate change skeptics, we’re climate stasis skeptics. Let’s call it what it is, and call it AGW skepticism. We’re giving away too much when we use “climate change skeptics” or the even more execrable “climate skeptics”. What does that even mean?

Noelene
August 24, 2010 5:27 am

Sounds like an Aussie with a plum in his mouth.Either British educated,or deliberately pronouncing every word,so Americans can understand him.
How do you sleep while the batts are burning is the song now Mr Bastardi.

Mike Haseler
August 24, 2010 5:29 am

kcom says:
“it’s just the opposite. We’re not climate change skeptics, we’re climate stasis skeptics.”
Well said!
The climate sceptics are like the old school economists who thought that currencies could be pinned to the “gold standard” and that fundamentally currencies were static.
Global warming sceptics understand that long term climates and currencies change.

Henry chance
August 24, 2010 5:32 am

From academia Irrational gaffes will increase.
Some of this is insecurity and jealousy.
The heavy duty Phds can’t draft models and do next season forecasts. BBQ summer forecasts seem to be a joke. They envy a Joe Bastardi that hit it spot on in england last winter. This guys stupid predictions from a psych standpoint may be behind his putdowns.

Karen
August 24, 2010 5:55 am

I trust Joe Bastardi at Accuweather for a Month by Month climate forcast before I’d trust a charlatan like Kerry Emanuel. For one thing I read a few of Joe’s monthly forcast last winter and they were spot on. Where as I watched Professor Emanuel strut around for the camera to try and make himself look smart. Sorry Professor Emanuel, I saw right through you and no matter how hard you try to discredited Joe, he is a lot smarter then you are and he proves it time and time again.
~Karen~

August 24, 2010 5:58 am

So let me get this straight. The people whose job it is to be make accurate weather forecasts know less about the climate than the people whose job it is to secure grant money. Makes sense. (end sarcasm)

Suzanne
August 24, 2010 6:24 am

A lot of the “most prominent alarmist scientists” do not have a degree in climatology, e.g. Gavin Schmidt, Ph.D. Applied Mathematics, James Hansen, Ph.D. Physics, Joe Romm, Ph.D. Physics, John Holden, Ph.D. Theoretical Plasma Physics,
Michael Mann, Ph.D. Geology,Rajendra Pachauri, Ph.D. Industrial Engineering,
Richard C. J. Somerville, Ph.D. Meteorology, Stephan Rahmstorf, Ph.D. Oceanography, Steven Schneider, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering and Plasma Physics
Susan Solomon, Ph.D. Chemistry. Their papers generally show very shallow understanding of the methods of paleoclimatology and the paleoclimatologic record. Dr. Hanson’s 2005 paper with Reudy and Sato in a prime example. There is also poor understanding of basic meterologic concepts like PDO, AMO and blocking highs etc. and the conditions that these have been associated with in the past. Conditions of the geologic past are literally rewritten to fit the theory. Dr. Kerry has said that “non-climate scientists” can’t begin to understand the climate models. For many well trained scientists this is probably true but we can sure look at the assumptions the models are based upon and frankly many of these assumptions are simply not supported by the scientific data. Also the people who really know models, like engineers, have expressed their dismay at the number of unknowns used in the models. What is striking about the climatology papers describing a modeling experiment is the number of “parameterizations” (another word for SWAG) that are considered real data and the unquestioned asumption that the effects of CO2 are amplified by water vapor, an assumption that has never been proven and to which there is massive evidence to the contrary. Dr. Kerry doesn’t seem to consider Paleoclimatologists and Meterologists like Tim Ball, Richard Lindzen, Reid Bryson, Julio Betancourt, Tsonis and Craig Loehle “real climatologists”? He seems to be saying that the definition of a “real climatologist” is someone who agrees with his myopic view.

Buz From Topeka
August 24, 2010 6:30 am

So…. a meteorologist is credible if he/she does not broadcast (“on-air”), but all of a sudden has no credibility if he/she does broadcast (“on-air”)?
By the way, isn’t this Emanuel character a ‘Meteorology’ Professor (per Wikipedia)?

Stuck-Record
August 24, 2010 6:32 am

So, does this mean Dr Kerry Emmanuel thinks that those CAGW stalwarts, the UK Met office should keep their nose out of climate pontification too?