Gosh, what does one do to become a “professional climate change denier”? Does Penn State offer that course? Heh.
He does look happy though. Plus, he has an interesting choice of wall art, I thought sure he’d frame his famous graph. Maybe he has a special room for that. Despite this “exoneration” that according to Sir Muir, didn’t examine the science, his hockey stick still doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.
It’s dead. Jeff Id does a great review of what Muir missed, simple, basic, things that anyone who can read can see for themselves.
Here’s the link to the video interview, about 10 minutes long, if you can stand to watch that long.
About 6:45 into the interview Mann blames the current (east coast) heat wave on manmade warming. Of course we all know (because we are repeatedly beaten over the head with the phrase like we’re stupid or something) that “weather is not climate”. Me thinks it’s more about asphalt.
‘Scuse me while I go look for an antiemetic. (mmpf!)
h/t to WUWT reader Loodt Pretorius
Update: From WUWT comments (Philip Foster) we have this.
If anyone is moved to write to Sir Muir Russell, here is his office address:
Sir Muir Russell
Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland
38-39 Drumsheugh Gardens
Edinburgh
EH3 7SW
Scotland
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I like this video better;
Just a thought–Mann is more talented than I gave him credit. Just think of the hole he is digging, and not with a shovel, but with his tongue. Stupendously talented, I’d venture.
Julesbue@gmail.com says:
July 8, 2010 at 1:37 pm
“So the AGW scientists have all now been exonerated. They can now tidy up their house and get back to the serious business of saving the Earth. The AGW house has a brand new coat of paint… whitewash with green trim. I hear it is a nice red color on the inside.”
Yes. Its from the Watermelon School of Social Architecture. But, for the good of the planet and the serfs, the penthouses are designed to provide the dear leaders with the all the comforts they need to continue providing their robust thoughts.
And no doubt that new paint is also the same kind of latex that Anthony discovered increasing the temperature readings on weather stations, just for good measure.
michael mann just go and get a real job like digging up the roads with a pick and shovel
I notice we have a concern troll
Mann was quick to point out the Big Oil influence.
Penn State is hot right now because the Marcellus shale is hot. BP is donating, recruiting and funding. Big oil is offering graduate fellowships and various internships. Mann can mouth off too much and the other departments may speak up.
There are very few petrol geology schools back east.
Mr. Michael Mann’s CV (resumé) may be read here:
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
Even though they have got away with it – what is it? – 5 times now? 5 investigations? There ain’t no smoke…
And think of all that evil CO2…
The Climate problems are compounding. What to do with: …..’…undiscovered species face extinction!’. Think about it.
morgo says:
July 8, 2010 at 4:04 pm
“michael mann just go and get a real job like digging up the roads with a pick and shovel”
He should be just about qualified for that. Isn’t he a “geologist”?
I’ve just posted this over at BishopHill. if you will pardon the duplication:
Acton (and Russell) seem to miss a rather obvious point: ‘Science’ has at its core a requirement for disclosure, openness, sharing of data, and replication. The value of scientific knowledge is not determined by some panel, but by whether, through time, science conducted according to such principles withstands scrutiny and its hypotheses withstand repeated attempts at falsification. Climate science relies too much on nonsense such as speculative extrapolation (use of the word ‘could’), and bringing evidence to the theory (the use of ‘consistent with’), rather than the generation of falsifiable hypotheses. Where it has produced falsifiable predictions (water vapour will rise with temperature, there will be a hotspot at a particular place in the atmosphere, etc) its hypotheses are not well supported by evidence.
As the US Supreme Court ruled in Daubert v Merril Dow, science is a process. It is oxymoronic to suggest that the process can be flawed, but the science sound. End of story.
Besides, those of us who follow ‘Yes, Minister’ recognise only too well the Sir Humphrey Appleby kind of enquiry: pick someone who is ‘sound’ and limit the terms of reference. Such an enquiries are little more than an exercise of power, and in that regard I prefer the more venerable Acton. As His Lordship put it, ‘All power corrupts….’ Exercising power to defend poor scientific practice simply corrupts science
Climategate and post-climategate inquiries/”investigations” — can anyone say mutual admiration society?
“his hockey stick still doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.”
And yet, as I said on that other thread: The give away is this: “Had they used an appropriate technique the size of the blade of the hockey stick would have been smaller,” So where is this new graph constructed using the “appropriate technique” that has a smaller blade? Well it doesn’t actually exist, Professor Hand is talking nonsense.
Jules says:
July 8, 2010 at 2:10 pm
“Gosh, what does one do to become a “professional climate change denier”?”
“I rate it an A++ for Alarmist bafflegab and for self-satisfied puffery.”
Many of us would take you more seriously, Mr. Watts et al., if you were not so obviously biased and antagonistic.
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It is obvious you either have an agenda or have not bothered to read the Climategate emails
As a chemist I was appalled at what climate “scientists” have done to science. If historians are truthful this era will be known as the same sort of tragedy as the 1633 trial of Galileo Galilei, [where] two worlds come into cosmic conflict. Galileo’s world of science and humanism collides with the world of Scholasticism and absolutism that held power in the Catholic Church. The result is a tragedy that marks both the end of Galileo’s liberty and the end of the Italian Renaissance.
In our era the two world colliding are experimental science and Western Civilization vs another form of absolutism called “Global Governance” or Agenda 21.
Here is the link to the full text of Agenda 21: http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml
Here is the email reference to the equivalent (sustainability) see comment for links: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/06/sustainability-teaching-lack-of-ethical-dimension/#comment-424598
“Agenda 21 is a detailed prescription for the goals and objectives of a global, totalitarian system. It is all out in the open and always was. It has nothing to do with a conspiracy. Those with the potential for absolute, total power to control have no need to conspire. They just do it.” (Walter Schneider )
AGW is just the window dressing to keep the serfs quiet as their freedom and wealth is stolen in the name of “sustainability” and “global governance”
If we are very very lucky you and your children will not look back to this time and curse the day they listened to and believed Mann instead of Anthony Watts. Unfortunately I think the vast majority of people are fooled by the slick used car salesmen like Mann and therefore we are headed into another dark age in the not too distant future.
Anyone check the humidity back east???
We’ll see what Mann has to say when the still building La Nina has its full impact. Last month, Land temperatures fell by as much as 0.25C as the effects of the El Nino wear off. There are areas in the circulation system of the ENSO in the Pacific which are low as -7.0C and all the indicators are pointing to this La Nina being a very strong one.
In that beautiful symmetry that we call life, the first spontaneous thought that springs to mind upon viewing this video is “puffed up”.
At first, we may try to suppress such involuntary responses (in shame) – but then we might wonder at their dogged persistence…
Not for Mike a few lowly individuals unearthing embarrassing sloppiness in his work… Mike needs a WHOLE INDUSTRY pitted against him.
Not for Mike a handful of armchair amateurs pointing out his errors… Mike needs the FOSIL FUEL FUNDED PROFESSIONALS seeking his downfall.
Mike’s inflated obstacles are as necessary to Mike as his inflated ‘science’ is. One feeds off the other in the ever-expanding universe of Mikeness. And the result of all this inflation is there to witness in Mike’s video.
if you can stand to watch that long
No, I can’t. I can’t even stand to see the photo above.
antiemetic
did you vomit anyway with the drug unable to stop it?
The more the AGW scam lasts the better (its fun to watch) guys und gals don’t worry the temp data is what counts and it ain’t gonna go AGW LOL. BTW NH temp data still below and sea surface going down quick and it means nothing zilch , zero its just like like if it was going up as well means nothing in climate terms. I predict that from August this year ALL the data will be going against the AGW theory
This man is taking his last laugh. He knows he’s on thin ice, because the globe is not warming. He’s playing out his tragedy to the end. In the future, bad science will be refered to as “hockey stick”.
And Mann and Lysenko will be synonyms.
PJB,
You lumped in businessmen with politicos who are typically subversive of existing systems. As a former practicing engineer (PhD in Chemical engineering) now in business, I actually find that businessmen hold themselves to a high standard, otherwise if once found as a fraud, lose all credibility and ability to do deals. Unfortunately, businessmen are smeared by swindlers, who by definition, are not the norm. Please don’t confuse swindlers with businessmen. The world would not function without them. The same cannot be said of politicians.
Marxism targets intellectuals and farmers (farmer story in the next thread). The only ‘intellectuals’ and ‘scientists’ not targeted in that philosophy are ones that aid it. Is Michael Mann one such? Is this Marxism or just the worst side of mankind unfolding before our eyes?
Dr. William Happer talking about the ‘more equal’ Hockey Stick graph.
Jules says:
July 8, 2010 at 2:31 pm
This is the dialogue you have fostered, Mr. Watts. It is a little late to begin playing the martyr or crying foul play. The scientists are gaining a voice in the media.
You sound like a character from a movie, say….1984. Or better yet, you sound like Baghdad Bob, “The Americans are not here. We are pushing them back. We are cleaning them out.”
Poll numbers show no one cares about global warming.
Care to reply to me?
Lucy Skywalker says:
July 8, 2010 at 2:04 pm
to say nothing of the Mann-made global warping.
This is the sad part. It is also a smelling salts. There’s another day coming! 🙂
A.W. Montford’s The Hockey Stick Illusion shows step by step, in very convincing detail, how Michael Mann deliberately manipulated long accepted algorithms in order to create his hockey stick chart [BTW, Montford is Bishop Hill].
Mann’s algorithms produce a hockey stick shape even when a random series of currency trades is entered. In fact, with Mann’s algorithm it is hard to not produce a hockey stick shape. And as Montford shows, Mann’s response when asked about it is to repeatedly – and provably – lie. That is stupid, for someone presumed to be smart.
Either Mann devised his current strategy of talking with friendly media types, or someone has advised him to never give an interview unless the interviewer is completely sympathetic. That is bad advice, for reasons that an arrogant person may not understand.
Instead, Mann should have made a short statement after each whitewash that he was putting the matter behind him because he was exonerated, then never said another word about it. He should have said the same thing with increasing exasperation following every whitewash, and he certainly should have worked hard to appear humble, and contrite for any mistakes, like Phil Jones did. Then he would have garnered some sympathy as someone who was being unfairly harassed.
Instead, Mann has been a real Chatty Kathy doll, stating things that may well come back to haunt him if he is ever forced to answer questions posed by a very unfriendly litigant or state prosecutor.
Michael Mann and Barack Obama have much in common. Both were propelled upward at a young age, and neither one had any real accomplishments under their belts. They are both arrogant without cause, vindictive, and they like to step on toes to show who’s boss. That might not go down well with co-workers who toiled in anonymity for decades, only to see a young upstart get all the glory — based on what they must know to be bad science.
I suspect that whoever leaked the emails was a fellow scientist who was pretty disgusted with a guy who, still in his early 30’s, lorded it over everyone. Mann became a hero of the university and government/UN scientists who game the system in order to keep the grant money flowing. They will turn on him if he becomes a liability.
None of Michael Mann’s rainmaking will matter if he makes even one mis-step. If he is ever in a true adversarial legal proceeding, his words and his hockey stick algorithm will show the world a dishonest scientist. One mistake, and Michael Mann will be in the ranks of Jan Hendrik Schön, Victor Ninov, and Woo Suk Hwang.
He should really STFU, but his ego is too big, and he cannot resist getting his digs in. One day, he may face a very long, drawn out deposition under oath, and have to convincingly defend both his science and his comments. Until then, I hope he keeps talking.