It has been hard for me to keep up blogging, or even abreast of current news during my tour. With travel each day, and many days both a lunch and dinner meeting, it becomes an 18 hour grind. Mega kudos to Mr. David Archibald for his tireless navigation and good cheer. Without him I’d be lost here.
That said some disturbing things have happened. I’ve just learned of one this morning.
While on one hand we have an ugly climate science blacklist, on the other we have Tamino’s blog who has been the target of some legal complaint which prompted the removal of a post, ironically, one defending my rights. While I don’t agree much with Tamino, it is his “place”. He can say what he wants, it is his right.
Overall there’s too much pointless bluster and sniping in climate science. I wish there was a volume control.
Kids, can we just all “get along”?
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Not while there are so many dishonest partisans.
“David Ball says:
June 22, 2010 at 3:22 pm
We can disagree without being disagreeable. It has been my experience that when discussing this particular subject, I remain calm and present my points, and the pro-CAGW person flies off the handle in a childish emotional display.”
I made the same observation. The reason can be found in transactional analysis; by not buying the dystopian scenario the AGW person offers you sabotage their game and frustrate them. They play a game that is called “UGMIT: You Got Me Into This” or some variation thereof. Eric Berne has given these games nice acronyms in his book “Games people play”. Look it up. Wait, here’s a list of some of the games:
(ironically, from the
Death Star Of Knowledgewikipedia)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis#Some_commonly_found_games
Curiousgeorge says:
June 22, 2010 at 2:42 pm
If the issue was about the science of climate, then yes. But it’s not about the climate or science. It’s about power and money, and who has it.
Suuuuuurre, the climate scientists aren’t really working on the climate, or science. It’s all some elaborate multinational, multidecadal trick to get the tax money that currently goes to the military …
Meanwhile, real skeptics will be curious to see the data on global warming as it comes in this decade:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?report=global
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AMSRE_Sea_Ice_Extent_L.png
That’s the price he pays from being under wordpress.com. He doesn’t own his site and has to operate under the rules and administration of wordpress.com.
Yes, Tamino can say what he wants. And if it is libel, then he is liable.
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Alan Simpson
June 22, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Looks like I offended an anti-theist.
BTW, Its called allegory, If you can not understand it, maybe you should not post. You obviously do not have enough imagination to contribute to any discussion.
…and?
“Kids, can we just all “get along”?”
Upon further thought:
Yeh, we could, if it weren’t for the attempt to dismantle the entire socio-economic structure of the free world. While I despise censorship, it isn’t anything the alarmist group hasn’t been engaged in to begin with. Heck, the black list is a veiled attempt at censorship. And that is just one example, today. They also circumvent laws when it suits them, destroy peoples jobs, when it suits them, jeez, Anthony, how long did it take them before they even recognized you as a person? All of this anger could have been and should have been prevented. All they had to do, was engage people such as yourself and Steve Mc. and the rest as people with legitimate questions and it would have, in large part, been avoided. The blacklist today shows they still regard even the brightest of skeptics as intellectually inferior to the alarmist crowd, where I’d regard the regular poster here somewhere above the typical alarmist scientist.(I’m fairly familiar with the WAIS so I know a bit about recognizing intelligence, my appeal to authority. 🙂 ) While I and many here endeavor to take the high road, I understand when someone has reached the end of ones sense of fair play. Mainly because we’ve never had the benefit of fair play.
@ur momisugly Anu says:
June 22, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Apparently you never played “King of the hill” as a child. Let me enlighten you: King of the Hill (also known as “King of the Mountain” or “King of the Castle”), is a game, the object of which is to stay on top of a large hill or pile (or any other designated area) as the “King of the Hill”. Other players attempt to knock the current King off the pile and take their place, thus becoming the new King of the Hill.
The way the “king” can be removed from the hill depends largely on the rules determined by the players before the game starts. Ordinarily pushing is the most common way of removing the king from the hill, but there are significantly rougher variations where punching or kicking is allowed. The name of the game has become a common metaphor for any sort of competitive zero-sum game or social activity in which a single winner is chosen from among multiple competitors, and a hierarchy is devised by the heights the competitors achieve on the hill, and where winning can only be achieved at the cost of displacing the previous winner.
Scientists are not part of the game. They are merely spectators, as are those of us who cheer and boo on blogs such as this.
There is no elaborate multinational, multidecadal trick. No conspiracy, international or otherwise. Only the never-ending game that has been going on for centuries.
Not sure about “getting along” but I’m with Anthony and others on being polite. Its much better to be clever and polite and show intellectual honesty (cheers ctm). This attitude will eventually sway public opinion more convincingly than the politically inspired, emotional and often plain dishonest pieces members of The Team and their supporters often write.
We should also consider poking fun when the occasion arises an excellent sport.
Freedom of speech doesn’t cover everything. Example: you can’t yell fire in a crowded theatre, libel and slander are not protected under freedom of speech, andthere are words you cannot say in the mainstream media.
Libel and slander are relative.
Wordpress has the right to govern their blogs in any way they want.
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Ok, so having said all that I agree with Anthony that there should be civility in blogging.
I think I will remind everyone there was the big issue over The Great Global Warming Swindle at the UK Ofcom. So the battle over words isn’t a new thing in global warming. There’s trillions of dollars involved in global warming and also people’s freedoms. So I can’t see how these things can be avoided.
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I think this post is about Anthony wanting his blog to be a cut above. And I will follow his lead.
Curiousgeorge says:
June 22, 2010 at 5:00 pm
“……There is no elaborate multinational, multidecadal trick. No conspiracy, international or otherwise. Only the never-ending game that has been going on for centuries.”
So, Petrobras(one that George Soros is invested in) getting a $2 billion loan guarantee for off-shore drilling from the U.S. right after his moratorium on U.S. off-shore drilling is happenstance? George, you’re right more often than not on this page, but on this occasion, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn that I’d sell you if you can scrape up the money. Yes, it’s a game that’s been played since the dawn of time, but let’s not pretend people don’t conspire to win the game. I know I did.
“Gentlemen of France, perhaps you would care to fire first?”……do you mean that kind of courtesy or volume?
Onto more important matters, I didn’t realize Anthony was so young for being so accomplished. Who’da thunk it. You do tireless work my friend. I work 26 hour days myself and you tire me out when I think of this blog and your projects and your speeches and your travel. Bless you and your work. It keeps me sane when I travel to California and listen to the ditto heads. How you can live at ground zero for stupidity is beyond my comprehension.
@ur momisugly James Sexton says:
June 22, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Thank you for the compliment 🙂 .
I was wondering if anyone would pick up on the hierarchical nature of the game, and how temporary alliances are incorporated into the play. Good catch. Most folks think of it as a very simplistic game, when in fact it is probably the most complex game ever devised, with multiple levels of subtlety.
Couldn’t quite figure out what was going on until I read Goodnight’s comment. Anna Haynes. Hand maiden of the Dark Side. Say no more. I believe without a doubt that he had an unpleasant confrontation with her.
Familiar with Harry Potter? This is Dolores Umbridge. I’m sure Tamino is just soo happy to have her on his side.
I find it difficult to “get along” with people who are trying to hold a gun to my head and rob me of my freedom and hard earned wealth. I especially find it hard when the people who want to rob me have 100,000 or more times the wealth I have.
Sorry Anthony, as an abused child, I figured out the hard way never to give in to a bully even if he out weighed me by a hundred pounds. The leaders of the CAGW crowd are nothing but grown up school yard bullies and to them “compromise” is a weakness to be avoided at all costs. It takes two to have a polite discussion or argument and the CAGW crowd with their threats are not what I would call “polite”
Greenpeace: “We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work. And we be many, but you be few. ”
@ur momisugly Curiousgeorge says:
June 22, 2010 at 6:26 pm
YW! Being slight of build, (at least in my younger years, now my chest has run south to collect the beer I drink) I’ve always endeavored to be the last king of the hill. (It worked sometimes.) I’m fairly adept at seeing the “multiple levels of subtlety” at the many games I play. Sadly, the stakes of this game is so high, I’d rather not play, but I’m compelled, not for my sake, but rather the future.
Cheers
@Mike M.
I’m not familiar with those people. I’ve tried to engage them on a few occasions, in different mannerisms, but any legitimate opposing view is censored. Heck, I left a note with them(Tamino’s site) stating support against censorship(I noted I disagreed often with them and that I was a skeptic) but I was appalled at the censorship and I would always support their right to expression of their opinion. Hours later, it still wasn’t posted. I haven’t bothered to check back to see if it is or not. They only hate their censorship, us……….?
“Kids, can we just all “get along”?”
But they will not let us join their “Gang” Anthony!
Get along?
Big mistake, these folks are not friendlies.
Science (and hence “discussion”) left the debate even before Gore proclaimed it settled and the majority of climate scientists have acted like children for decades. They will take their attitudes and improvisations to the grave; hopefully a new generation of realistic scientists will fill the void but I’m not optimistic.
Let the warmists throw their metaphorical stones. That’s their way, not ours. this blog has always been a polite, almost genteel environment that is a pleasure to visit. Can’t say the same for(un)realclimate or others of that ilk. Let’s keep it that way here, remembering that there’s other places for bigger rough and tumble games.
Curiousgeorge says:
June 22, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Yes, I realize there have been people of ambition for many millennia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugal-anne-mundu
First Emperor in history, ca. 25th century BC
And way before city-states, there were people who united/conquered villages and towns along the way to building the first cities.
But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes scientists are just doing science.
“What to do about a warming planet” is a separate problem from “are CO2 emissions causing the planet to warm, and by how much ?”
You would be wise to not ignore the climate data completely in the next decade – regardless of rhetoric, most people who are even aware of the issue will be persuaded, or not, by this data. This reality will be the foundation for any radical change in energy sources later this century – or not.
And yes, whatever happens, people will be trying to take advantage of the outcome – as always.