I’m about to leave for ICCC4, which is predictably being billed as “denialpalooza” by our friends in alarmist world. Heh. Maybe smearapalooza might be a good label for their response.
This year, the conference is in Chicago, and it appears to be the biggest yet. I’ll try to have some on the scene reports posted when I can, but I’ve got a pretty full schedule.
I have a couple of posts set for auto insertion on schedule today, so my readers won’t be without new and interesting stories. New stories and moderation may be spotty the next 4 days. Volunteer moderators and guest authors, please help when you can.
I’ll be having dinner tonight with some very special people.
I hope that the restaurant won’t be so noisy that I’ll miss hearing most of the conversation. I look forward to seeing many friends there and at the conference.
I should note that Willis Eschenbach has been invited to make a presentation. Good for him! Steve McIntyre will be giving a keynote address, and Lucia and Jeff Id will be joining as guest bloggers, which is easy for them since they both live within driving distance of the conference.
Here’s a list of speakers, including yours truly. Here’s the program (PDF) Roger L. Simon at Pajamas Media also has a short summary.
A number of people with opposing views, including Gavin Schmidt, James Hansen, Michael Mann, Phil Jones and William Schlesinger, were invited to the ICCC4 conference. They all declined.
PJTV is providing an important service. Live video coverage (streaming and otherwise) will be at the PJTV CLIMATEGATE 2010 MICROSITE. I thank them for doing this.
Oh, and I want to sincerely thank Evan Jones, he’ll know why.
Welcome to Sweet Home Chicago, Anthony! I hope you brought a jacket, it is rather unseasonably cool & cloudy lately.
Have a good time, and don’t bother taking in a ballgame, both the Cubs and White Sox stink so far!
nednead says:
May 15, 2010 at 10:35 am
“A real debate between the climate experts from both sides is needed (and I mean between the PhD scientists directly working in the field, not TV weather folks or political folks). That is something I’m pushing for the next annual GSA meeting (Geological Society of America).”
Nednead…PhD scientists may know a lot about one thing, but what makes them authorities on debates about climate change? There are so many different aspects to the climate change debate: cloud physics, sea level rise, ocean circulations, atmospheric circulations, atmospheric layer interactions, solar/atmosphere effects, radiative effects, biological impacts, land use changes, instrumentation, satellite technology, the hydrological cycle, geological impacts, volcanism, pollution, and so on. Each thing I have listed has sub-categories in which people earn their PhD’s. A PhD may be a good person to debate climate change ideas, but only if they have taken the time to study the many aspects of climate outside of their narrow field of interest. How many PhD’s do that?
Anyone who has done that, PhD or no, is a good person to listen to.
One thing, however, that all PhD’s do know about, is how to apply for research grants and publish papers. For example, if the government funds most of the science and the government is concerned about a possible climate change crisis, PhD’s know that you have to pay at least some homage to that golden calf if you want to get funded. For example, if you are interested in historical droughts in the Southwest US over the last 5,000 years, you would apply for the funds to study those droughts with the idea that it may lead to some understanding of future droughts under AGW, even though there is no scientific reason to believe that it would. That way, you get funded, even if you think AGW is a crock, and Ms. Oreskes can do a word search and proclaim that all PhD’s support the theory. See how it works?
This story needs to be posted here,
NRO’s Manzi Mischaracterizes Global Warming Debate
Manzi is used as a conservative believer in AGW theory and his writings as propaganda against skeptics.
The HI should have invited Mann et al with all expenses paid including a pre-loaded credit card with $500.
I am very proud of Anthony and those that represent a search for truth.
As more people discover they have been scammed, we will see a surge. Anger and name calling. We will also see backlash at the polls. Algor, Maurice Strong, George Soros, Michael Mannn, and Jim Hansen are suffering in fear and anxiety.
You just go ahead to your conference, Anthony, do what you have to do. Don’t worry about us, we’ll be fine. We’ll lock up for you when we leave.
(Okay, I got a case, Goddard has his six pack, and nedhead dropped of a crock of… something. Smokey says everything is normal, Willis says it’s all cool, and wren and Kilowatt are supplying the music. Did he leave yet so we can get started?)
Should be a far more informative gathering than those AGW fearfests held in such dreary locales as Bali. Of course, nary a peep will be heard from the MSM; the bleary-eyed network doesn’t even have Frankly Unctuous to pontificate over the AGW fantasy — all they’ve got to offer these days is the perky one.
Anthony in airport hell says:
May 15, 2010 at 1:11 pm
> NEVER fly United into Ohare
> Looks like I’m hosed for the dinner meeting
> From SFO
I used to have good success with that (typically MHT-ORD-SJC) when I went to an annual network testing event. Once it was followed a few days later going to Austin through ORD. Walking between gates I got this image of everyone being FedEx packages with legs.
Of course, that was then. Now is different and is one reason why I’m going to Midway. Hope you get dinner, or at least dessert.
Can you all charter some tour buses an trip to the CCX Chicago Climate Carbon Exchange. See the massive trading pits where billions and billions of tons of carbon credits change hands. Last I checked, the price was 7 dollars a ton and fell to 10 cents
Why do people pay ten cents for an artificial concept?
Oil for food fraudster Maurice Strong is on their board. He is hanging out in China. Too many people here ask questions.
Could be a topic
The Space and Science Research Center (SSRC), the leading independent research organization in the United States on the subject of the next climate change, issues today the following warning of imminent crop damage expected to produce food and ethanol shortages for the US and Canada:
This outfit produces garbage sorry A
old construction worker says:
May 15, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Could be a topic
I made a copy of their press release and was going to mail it to my daughter in Austin.
After reading Leif’s comments, I trashed it.
Good luck Anthony! I’m sure all our sympathy goes out to you over your airline hell… Hope you make it without more airline glitches, and that the conference is a blast! (And productive.) While this might not change the minds of warmists the events of last year show the power of just organizing and building support for a different dialogue. Had people in the past said “no point in doing this as the other side won’t listen” we’d be much worse off on the global warming issue today, and most likely a wall of terrible legislation would already have been foisted upon the citizens of several countries.
There’s still the EPA to head off in its misguided agenda. Anthony et al. keep up this essential and tremendous work!
James Allison says:
May 15, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Sadly unless prominent AGW scientist attend and debate their side then this conference has all the hallmarks of a talkfest of the converted. As such seen by the MSM ad yet another fringe meeting of deniers funded by big oil and big industry.
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James it has other value. They were invited, THEY ALL STAYED AWAY and I have every intention of rubbing my Senators and Congress critters nose in that. IF the Science is so “ROBUST” Why was the AGW crowd not there in mass to convert the skeptics many of whom are scientists?
Skeptic: One who is yet undecided as to what is true; one who is looking or inquiring for what is true; an inquirer after facts or reasons.
skepticism: : the doctrine that true knowledge or knowledge in a particular area is uncertain.
I wonder if the eyjafallajokull volcano will be on the agenda , it is puffing real well at the moment I think All Gore should step in and tell it to stop making greenhouse gases
Waiting for the college kids in the orange shirts to show up and remind everyone how much the DON’T know about climate, physics, and science in general.
Hi Anthony, see you tomorrow at the conference. Arrived here after about 24 hrs on the plane and airports from Manila.
Smokey says:
May 15, 2010 at 10:50 am
If the alarmists are so cocksure of the ‘science’ they should be queuing up to attend this conference to set us all ‘straight’ surely!
Regards,
LOL, Athelstan.
I wish I were there! Mood’s gotta be great.
I’ve posted my thoughts about it.
Have fun,
P Gosselin
Gail Combs says:
Athelstan says:
As someone who has spent a lot of time here trying to do that sort of thing, I am perhaps one of the best qualified to give insight as to why scientists in the field might not want to spend their time doing this: Most of the time seems to be spent just debunking the same debunked arguments presented again and again. You can’t set someone straight if they want strongly enough to believe a certain thing. Mostly, scientists want to spend time at conference discussing what they consider to be real and compelling scientific issues, not ones that they find to be basically manufactured issues.
Also, scientists are used to going to conferences sponsored by reputable scientific organizations, not ones sponsored by ideological think-tanks.
Joel Shore,
I’m sure you’ve noticed the number of comments that appear here regularly from people who used to believe in CAGW, but after becoming educated on the subject, have come around to the skeptical point of view. And since comments from people who used to be skeptical of CAGW, but are now true believers are practically non-existent, it is clear that your efforts at conversion are failing. If you had solid facts instead of speculation based on computer models, you could make some headway.
And the biggest ‘debunking’ issue occurred when Michael Mann’s hokey stick chart, showing no MWP or LIA, was shown to be fraudulent. In fact, when it comes to debunking, CAGW is a target-rich environment. Like playing Whack-A-Mole, every CAGW argument that appears is easily dispatched. Coral bleaching? Toad extinctions? Increasing hurricanes? Oceans acidifying? Caterpillar catastrophes? One by one, every CAGW scare is knocked off – and then another mole stick its head out and… WHACK!>
Finally, you are blind to the very obvious fact that your “ideological think tanks” include such entities as the Joyce Foundation, the Heinz Foundation, the Grantham Foundation, multiple George Soros foundations, and many other purchasers of influence with a CAGW agenda. When $millions in grants are paid to scientists in return for their parroting of the CAGW mantra, the parrots naturally repeat the mantra. But it has nothing to do with science. It’s simply propaganda, and your “reputable” organizations have been corrupted by money and ideology, destroying their reputations in the process.
If it were not for psychological projection, you wouldn’t have much to say, would you?
I’m watching the conference on PJTV now. Very nice video in the feed!
Bruce Cobb: “Alarmalot”! Perfect—their anthem only lacks some fine-tuning for a perfect fit.
Camelot
The climate must be perfect all the year.
A law was made a distant moon ago here:
July and August cannot be too hot.
And there’s a legal limit to the snow here
In Camelot.
The winter is forbidden till December
And exits March the second on the dot.
By order, summer lingers through September
In Camelot.
More…
http://www.lyricsbay.com/camelot_lyrics-camelot_movie.html
I could agree with Steve McIntyre if the Hockey Stick stayed in the scientific world. But it does not. Every time a politician gives reason why they want Cap N Trade, or increased regulations on business over co2, they always say the “UN and its IPCC report says thus and so”. The Hockey Stick is a vital part of the IPCC report’s ‘science’. It was also a vital part of Al Gore’s movie which has influenced the public and the government over global warming/climate change. If the Hockey Stick is not valid then the taxation and regulation that is partly a result of the Hockey Stick are not valid also. It is also possible that the taxation may be ‘taxation without representation’.
CheifIO at the conference.
Perhaps the champion denialists are those who refuse to see the AGW crisis credibility gap.
In some cases this may be from personal self-interest and in others it may be the result of their deep initial commitment to this agenda and a belief that it is their social responsibility to commit their lives to doing everything possible to avert this purported impending doom. I can imagine a book on this subject with the cover showing a herd of buffalo stampeding over a cliff.