Marketing Advice For Mad Scientists

By Steve Goddard and Anthony Watts

They are mad, maybe not the crazy kind of mad scientist, but mad nonetheless. When people are mad, sometimes good judgment goes out the window.

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The Guardian published a fascinating “open letter” from AAAS, signed by 250 biologists, anthropologists, neuroscientists, etc.  in defence of climate science.

So far, it has not gone over too well. Even Andy Revkin at the NYT Dot Earth blog points out that:

“The letter has a defensive tone that hasn’t served scientists particularly well in the past…”

Revkin also notes the fact that even the AAAS deputy editor himself tried to tone it down in a companion editorial:

The scientific community must recognize that the recent attacks stem in part from its culture and scientists’ behavior.

Of course, we, the great unwashed public, can’t read either the original letter nor the editorial at AAAS, since both are hidden behind the great paywall of science. We have to rely on the Guardian and NYT to give us mere mortals snippets of wisdom issued from on high. What a great way to “get the word out” to people you are condemning. Yes, “we’ll make them pay”.

In addition to the condescending tone, the use of the d-word, and the lack of  open access to an “open letter” and companion editorial, the letter was so poorly written, that we thought we would pitch in and lend them a hand. Italics are their writing. Plain text interspersed are our suggestions.

We are deeply disturbed by the recent escalation of political assaults on scientists in general and on climate scientists in particular. All citizens should understand some basic scientific facts.

A better way to word this would be : “We apologize for the bad behaviour of our colleagues, and recognize that the public is well educated and aware.

Scientific conclusions derive from an understanding of basic laws supported by laboratory experiments, observations of nature, and mathematical and computer modelling. Like all human beings, scientists make mistakes, but the scientific process is designed to find and correct them.

Should read : “We recognize that the process is broken, and we appreciate the help of the public in correcting our errors.”

And then there’s this howler.

When errors are pointed out, they are corrected.

Should read: “We recognize that a few treemometers in Yamal, and particularly tree YAD061, aren’t really representative of the global climate for the past millennium and therefore a solid basis to overturn whole economies. We’ll fix that right away.”

For instance, there is compelling scientific evidence that our planet is about 4.5bn years old (the theory of the origin of Earth), that our universe was born from a single event about 14bn years ago (the Big Bang theory), and that today’s organisms evolved from ones living in the past (the theory of evolution).

That paragraph should be cut completely. Implying that anyone who criticizes you is a “flat earther creationist” is not going to win any converts. Insulting the customer is a really poor idea.

Many recent assaults on climate science and, more disturbingly, on climate scientists by climate change deniers, are typically driven by special interests or dogma, not by an honest effort to provide an alternative theory that credibly satisfies the evidence.

Very bad idea to compare the customers, aka the referenced “all citizens”,  to holocaust deniers. That is a total non-starter.

Natural causes always play a role in changing Earth’s climate, but are now being overwhelmed by human-induced changes.

Should read : “Few, if any, of us are climate scientists, but some of us did see Al Gore’s film.  We talked about it over lunch.”

The planet is warming due to increased concentrations of heat-trapping gases in our atmosphere. A snowy winter in Washington does not alter this fact.

Should read : “Wow, none of knew that it was the snowiest decade on record in the Northern Hemisphere, until we read it on WUWT.”

We also call for an end to McCarthy- like threats of criminal prosecution against our colleagues based on innuendo and guilt by association, the harassment of scientists by politicians seeking distractions to avoid taking action, and the outright lies being spread about them.

Should read : “We promise to see the doctor about our paranoid delusions.”

All in all, this letter is a PR train wreck. Then there’s the signatories.

Since it is common to see the “but he/she is not a climate scientist” argument  used against people that offer views differing to “the consensus”, here are the impeccable climate science credentials of the first 20 signatories :

Robert McC. Adams – Division of Social Sciences, UCSD

Richard M Amasino – Biochemist, UW Madison

Edward Anders – Geologist, University of Chicago

David J. Anderson – Biologist, Cal Tech

Luc Anselin – Geographer, ASU

Mary Kalin Arroyo – Biologist, University of Chile

Dr. Berhane Asfaw – Palaeoanthropologist, Rift Valley Research Service

FRANCISCO J. AYALA – Professor of Biological Sciences, UC Irvine

Dr. Ad Bax – Physics, NIH

Anthony Bebbington – Professor of Nature, University of Manchester

Gordon Bell – Computer Pioneer

MICHAEL VANDER LAAN BENNETT – Neuroscientist, Albert Einstein College of Medicine

Jeffrey Bennetzen – Geneticist, University of Washington

May R. Berenbaum – Entomologist, UIUC

Overton Brent Berlin – Anthropologist, University of Georgia

Pamela Bjorkman – Biologist, Cal tech

Dr. Elizabeth Blackburn – Biologist, UCSF

Jacques Blamont – Astrophysicist

Michael Botchan – Biochemistry, Berkeley

John S. Boyer – Marine Biosciences, University of Delaware

After the first 20 names, they are batting 0.000.  If anyone cares to go through the rest of the list and report, please pitch in.

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fhsiv
May 7, 2010 7:51 pm

They said “We also call for an end to McCarthy-like threats of criminal prosecution against our colleagues based on innuendo and guilt by association…”
These guys should be careful with the McCarthy analogy! They’re showing a lack of understanding of history that is only surpassed by their lack of understanding of science.
McCarthy’s tactics can be questioned. However, the veracity of his charges pertaining to Soviet/communist penetration of the high levels of the American government are no longer in question. They might want to try a quick search on ‘Venona’ (declassified intercepts of Soviet agents from the early 1940’s that were not made public until 1995) to find out a little more about the ‘settled’ history they learned in school.
My point is that when the Warmers claim that others are using “McCarthy-like” tactics against them, they are basically admitting that they are guilty as charged but don’t like the way the charges were levied. In this case, they’re effectively saying that while they know that AGW theory has its faults, only someone who is beyond evil would dare to point this out.

Brendan H
May 7, 2010 8:28 pm

“Reply: and just because plate tectonics turns out to be correct, doesn’t mean AGW is.”
I’m not claiming that it does. I am arguing that the plate tectonics analogy favours AGW, not AGW scepticism. The same applies to Galileo, Darwin, Einstein and any other luminaries claimed by climate sceptics.

Jerry
May 7, 2010 8:40 pm

Penguin – http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=3726704/
Polar Bear – http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-4095333-the-last-polar-bear.php
Here’s a quiz question. Do Polar bears eat penguins?

Larry
May 7, 2010 8:55 pm

This letter of the 250-plus fools who proclaim themselves “scientists” is just another political move, and cannot be taken seriously as a scientific tract of any kind – evidence just is not their strong suit in this letter. It is just another example of projection. People like them are the ones who are actually guilty of “McCarthy-ism.”

Dave Wendt
May 7, 2010 9:33 pm

K says:
May 7, 2010 at 7:47 pm
biologists, anthropologists, neuroscientists
I’m a bit confused about how neuroscientists relate to climate science,
I think they’re mostly employed to provide adjusted graphs of cerebral activity for their fellow adherents, so they all don’t end up being handed over to the Kevorkian Institute for disposal.

Stop Global Dumbing Now
May 7, 2010 10:45 pm

So many thoughts I’m too disgusted to express. They have obviously tailored their grant proposals (in whatever field) to fit the AGW agenda to ensure getting funded. I believe the Oregon Petition has more signatures. A little ray of hope.

David Jones
May 7, 2010 11:46 pm

I noticed this name among the signatories
Ehrlich, Paul R, Stanford University
Need any more be said?

Orkneygal
May 7, 2010 11:47 pm

By my calculation, it seems that over 80% of the members of the USA National Academy of Science have chosen not to sign this letter.
I think it is good for Democracy when a minority opinion such as that held by this relatively small cadre of biologists, anthropologists, zoologists, etc. is published.

Roger Knights
May 8, 2010 12:16 am

I wonder how many of the signers are familiar with the contrarians’ case other than through the lens of RC, CP, etc. Less than 50% I suspect.

mikael pihlström
May 8, 2010 1:41 am

Dave Wendt says:
May 7, 2010 at 4:30 pm
mikael pihlström says:
May 7, 2010 at 12:52 pm
“You overestimate their (CS) power by a factor of thousands. The US
deficit is 12 trillion dollars, caused by wars, tax cuts for the wealthy, the
Financial crisis . You cite Paul Craig Roberts; he is really angry about the
Wall street crisis, not climate policy. To pretend that a cap and trade
policy comes even close to the sums utterly wasted due to above
political choices is ridiculous.
Trade and cap will not shut down energy use, just provide incentives
for a gradual shift to renewables.”
——
“This is so ignorant one hardly knows where to begin.”
Leftist politicians caused the bank crisis? Not unfettered banking leading to
leverages 1/30 or more ? Not economic liberalisation since Reagan, not
the market? You are priceless.
Out of control governement spending: yes through expensive wars, bail-outs,
ill-advised tax cuts…
Technology progress has stopped? One would think that is the truly
dynamic component in the equation.
You don’t understand emission trading. OK, let’s use carbon taxes then:
an identifiable burden on the economy, but, it will not kill us, if we
just cut down on the stupid stuff: letting the private bank sector s…. us again
and again, wars and consuming over our means so that foreign countries
can buy our assets.
Since you gave the discussion a ‘national pride’ twist: my country doesn’t
get any defense subsidies from you, we don’t want your recent wars, our
socialist dystopia results in high ratings on comparative life satisfaction
scales and very few people die because of lacking universal health care.
But, there is much to improve and there are many admirable things in
the US system to.

old construction worker
May 8, 2010 2:28 am

Dave Wendt says:
May 7, 2010 at 4:30 pm
You forgot to list;
Co2 Cap and Trade “MAY” make us independent of “Foreign Oil” only to make us dependent on “Foreign Carbon Credits”
How stupid is that?
The Head man at the CCX said if Cap and Trade becomes law, it will be a 10 Trillion marker per year.
The CEO of AEP, (On CBNC Squawk Box) CO2 Cap and Trade, will cause the Electric rate to jump from 4 cents to 7 cents per Kw.

May 8, 2010 2:35 am

stevengoddard says:
May 7, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Josualdo
If geology/geophysics counts as climate science, then count me in. But I don’t think so.
Thanks much for your effort and contribution!

You’re welcome. I think 91 out of 255 is a fair sample size. But I’m jut too mad! about this, I’m in for the jugular, and will go over all the 255, if possible. I think I’ll just post a link in the end, so that I don’t clog the blog.
Anyway, the big question here is: what is/should be a climate scientist’s backgound? Podiatry? X-ray crystallography? Gene splicing? Plant pathology? Something completely different? Is there such a thing?
Somehow, I’d rather have a geologist in it than ten molecular biologists. Just a hunch, though.

jonjermey
May 8, 2010 2:48 am

According to their own website:
“The National Academy of Sciences membership consists of approximately 2,100 members and 350 foreign associates..”
So about 90% of the membership didn’t sign the letter.
I wonder why…

jaymam
May 8, 2010 3:59 am

Anthony, you might like to use this iceberg picture. It’s actually a gif
http://i39.tinypic.com/2s0g12q.jpg
Notice how short the shadows are at both the poles. Is it normal for the sun to be so high at the poles? 🙂

May 8, 2010 4:09 am

[snip – invites discussion of religion, we don’t discuss religious issues on WUWT]

May 8, 2010 7:08 am

mikael pihlström says:
May 7, 2010 at 12:52 pm
“You overestimate their (CS) power by a factor of thousands. The US
deficit is 12 trillion dollars, caused by wars, tax cuts for the wealthy, the
Financial crisis…”
Dave Wendt [May 7, 2010 at 4:30 pm] is exactly right.
Mikael P says “my country doesn’t get any defense subsidies from you,” which is absolutely wrong. Were it not for the U.S. paying the cost for their defense, the Finns and plenty of others all the way to western Europe would be speaking Russian today. And regarding President Reagan, he turned a dysfunctional incompetent’s economy around, and ushered in decades of prosperity by drastically cutting taxes and implementing free market, capitalist policies [which are now being completely reversed by Obama].
Flooding the financial system with $1 trillion in liquidity when the sub-prime mortgage crisis hit was necessary to avert a financial panic leading to another 1930’s-style Depression.
But once the panic and the threat of a run on the banks had passed, the prudent course of action would be to allow the markets to adjust on their own, letting inefficient, ossified companies go bankrupt, to be replaced by new and energetic, fast growing companies, and allowing banks that gambled with their depositors’ money to be shut down and replaced by more prudent banks. Instead, our new Leftist government is now the biggest single owner of a U.S. car company, with seats on the Board of Directors, and it is pouring taxpayer funds into its favored banks.
The far-Left Obama administration has used the crisis as an excuse to unnecessarily print $4 trillion in new money, to be doled out to its supporters — including the banking industry. That certainly is not capitalism. Owning the means of production, such as a car company, is a combination of fascism and socialism. Anyone who believes we won’t pay a very heavy price for Obama’s profligacy knows nothing about either economics or history.
The U.S. deficit, which has skyrocketed under Obama, is now being made even worse because the Obama Administration is putting U.S. taxpayers on the hook for the Greek financial crisis: 40% of the IMF is funds come from US taxpayers, and now the IMF is being tapped to bail out Greece. You don’t hear that on the news.
The U.S. tax dollars in the IMF and elsewhere are being poured into new Greek bonds to rescue Greece from its profligate government spending [sound familiar?] — and that debt will be JUNIOR to current bond holders. What that means is that U.S. taxpayer dollars will vanish when the new Greek bonds default, which they will.
And the Euro itself is in great danger of collapsing. Individual countries print their own Euros. The “Y” prefix on Greek euros will make those notes nearly worthless; holders are already frantically converting them into other countries’ euro currency, and into dollars, yen and marks.
The IMF can bail out a small country like Greece. But Spain, Portugal and several other countries are in a very precarious situation, and there is not nearly enough money in the IMF to bail out even one large economy. At some point, there will be a reckoning.
Finally, the simplistic idea that “the rich” are at fault is a stale old Leftist canard. Show me a poor person who creates jobs. Further, “the rich” pay all federal taxes. The bottom half of the population pays zero federal taxes, and in fact collects a large portion of federal tax receipts in financial assistance. Without “the rich” paying taxes, the burden on the bottom half of income earners would be much greater.
Today there are no truly “poor” people in America. There are only the less affluent. No one starves in America; in fact the “poor” are the most obese. The “poor” also have flat screen TVs, cell phones, larger living quarters than comparable Europeans, medical care, cars, air conditioners, ipods, computers, etc.
Leftist political and financial policies, implemented under both Democrat and Republican administrations, are the cause of today’s problems. More of the same is certainly not the cure, as Reagan’s successful policies made clear.

mikael pihlström
May 8, 2010 8:34 am

Smokey says:
May 8, 2010 at 7:08 am
mikael pihlström says:
May 7, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Dave Wendt [May 7, 2010 at 4:30 pm] is exactly right.
Mikael P says “my country doesn’t get any defense subsidies from you,” which is absolutely wrong. Were it not for the U.S. paying the cost for their defense, the Finns and plenty of others all the way to western Europe would be speaking Russian today.
NOT A DOLLAR, NOT NOW, NOT EVER, WE ARE NOT NATO EITHER….
And regarding President Reagan, he turned a dysfunctional incompetent’s economy around, and ushered in decades of prosperity by drastically cutting taxes and implementing free market, capitalist policies [which are now being completely reversed by Obama]. HE ALSO LAID THE GROUND FOR THE CRISIS BY
LIBERALISATION OF YOUR FINANCE SECTOR ALLOWING DERIVATIVE
MARKETS, CRAZY LEVERAGE RATIOS etc.
Flooding the financial system with $1 trillion in liquidity when the sub-prime mortgage crisis hit was necessary to avert a financial panic leading to another 1930′s-style Depression. YES, BUSH ADM. DID IT AND ALSO STARTED THE
DIRECT BAILOUTS…
But once the panic and the threat of a run on the banks had passed, the prudent course of action would be to allow the markets to adjust on their own, letting inefficient, ossified companies go bankrupt, to be replaced by new and energetic, fast growing companies, and allowing banks that gambled with their depositors’ money to be shut down and replaced by more prudent banks. Instead, our new Leftist government is now the biggest single owner of a U.S. car company, with seats on the Board of Directors, and it is pouring taxpayer funds into its favored banks.
SINGLE CASE, NO COMMENT
The far-Left Obama administration has used the crisis as an excuse to unnecessarily print $4 trillion in new money, to be doled out to its supporters — including the banking industry. That certainly is not capitalism. Owning the means of production, such as a car company, is a combination of fascism and socialism. Anyone who believes we won’t pay a very heavy price for Obama’s profligacy knows nothing about either economics or history. YOU MUST MEAN ‘State owning of means…”,
NO, THERE ARE GOOD STATE COMPANIES ALSO. I WOULD SAY OBAMA IS
JUST CONTINUING STABILISATION AND STIMULATION, SINCE US ECONOMY
IS STILL IN THE LOWS
The U.S. deficit, which has skyrocketed under Obama,
HE LARGELY INHERITED IT FROM GEORGE W
….is now being made even worse because the Obama Administration is putting U.S. taxpayers on the hook for the Greek financial crisis: 40% of the IMF is funds come from US taxpayers, and now the IMF is being tapped to bail out Greece. You don’t hear that on the news.
IT IS A PACKAGE: EU GIVES 2/3, IMF 1/3, US FUNDS IMF IN PROPORTION
TO THE SIZE OF ITS ECONOMY; I DOUBT THAT IT IS 40%. AND IT WILL
BENEFIT US BANKS IN CASE OF DEFAULT.
The U.S. tax dollars in the IMF and elsewhere are being poured into new Greek bonds to rescue Greece from its profligate government spending [sound familiar?] — and that debt will be JUNIOR to current bond holders. What that means is that U.S. taxpayer dollars will vanish when the new Greek bonds default, which they will.
BUT, MORE EU TAXPAYER WILL BE LOST – THE BANKS WILL WIN, MANY OF
THEM ARE US BANKS
And the Euro itself is in great danger of collapsing. Individual countries print their own Euros. The “Y” prefix on Greek euros will make those notes nearly worthless; holders are already frantically converting them into other countries’ euro currency, and into dollars, yen and marks. WHO CARES IF GREECE LEAVES THE
EUROZONE, IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THEM ALSO
The IMF can bail out a small country like Greece. But Spain, Portugal and several other countries are in a very precarious situation, and there is not nearly enough money in the IMF to bail out even one large economy. At some point, there will be a reckoning. YOU SEEM HAPPY ABOUT THAT PROSPECT? ANYWAY EU COUNTRIES WOULD BE AFFECTED MOST…
Finally, the simplistic idea that “the rich” are at fault is a stale old Leftist canard. Show me a poor person who creates jobs. Further, “the rich” pay all federal taxes. The bottom half of the population pays zero federal taxes, and in fact collects a large portion of federal tax receipts in financial assistance. Without “the rich” paying taxes, the burden on the bottom half of income earners would be much greater.
IT WAS ABOUT TAX CUTS: WITHIN THE PAYING POPULATION CUTS CAN BE DESIGNED TO BENEFIT THE RICH, MEDIUM OR LOW INCOME BRACKET. BUSH ADM MADE THREE CUTS, WHICH NOW BURDEN THE DEFICIT.
Today there are no truly “poor” people in America. There are only the less affluent. No one starves in America; in fact the “poor” are the most obese. The “poor” also have flat screen TVs, cell phones, larger living quarters than comparable Europeans, medical care, cars, air conditioners, ipods, computers, etc. REALLY? THE US CENSUS BUREAU SAYS THE POVERTY RATE IS SOME 40 million PEOPLE
SOME 18 000 UNINSURED PEOPLE DIED EVERY YEAR BEFORE HEALTH REFORM.
Leftist political and financial policies, implemented under both Democrat and Republican administrations, are the cause of today’s problems. More of the same is certainly not the cure, as Reagan’s successful policies made clear.

May 8, 2010 10:58 am

mikael pihlström, May 8, 2010 at 8:34 am:
If you believe that without the opposition of the U.S. following WWII, that Finland, bordering the Soviet Union, would not have been annexed by the U.S.S.R, then you are completely delusional.
And it was President Clinton, not Reagan, who allowed banks to act as brokerage houses, selling derivatives that were rated AAA but were, in fact, junk. Banks, being new at the derivatives market, learned their lessons at the expense of shareholders [no bank depositors were hurt due to FDIC insurance; only the taxpayers were hurt].
I already pointed out that the original need for liquidity was provided when the markets tanked. [George W. Bush was President then, try to pay attention.] But once the crisis had passed, and panic driven bank runs were avoided, Obama continued unnecessarily spending at a rate more than 400% higher than GWB. [And replying in all capital letters indicates your lack of any coherent, logical, and historically accurate arguments, which is anyway typical of most Leftists.]
I also note that almost 80% of the stimulus dollars have not yet been spent. They are being held in reserve by the Obama administration so they can flood the economy with a temporary stimulus leading into the 2012 election. In other words, Obama is going to use the stimulus money, intended to help the economy right now, to try and buy the election. He accepts seeing the country hammered financially, with U-6 unemployment at over 17%, if it means getting re-elected.
Next, your flippant ignorance of the effects of Greek euros becoming worthless is no surprise. That’s why you can hand-wave away the situation in Greece. Economic illiteracy aside, if the Euro fails in Greece, there will be little confidence in the euros of other countries, with only a few exceptions such as Germany. Each country’s euros will have a different value, so why even have euros, if they are no different than the national currencies they replaced? When confidence in a currency is lost, there are major repercussions. Look at the Zimbabwe dollar for a recent example.
You say there are government owned companies that are successful. Name them — and do not include any that receive direct taxpayer subsidies in order to survive. Name one. Before you go off on your usual tangents, name one “good state owned company” that doesn’t get taxpayer subsidies to stay in business.
There is no precedent in the U.S. for the government to buy a controlling interest in a U.S. automaker, and placing its partisan bureaucrats on the Board of Directors. But once again, you hand-wave away this astonishing precedent by saying “SINGLE CASE.”
The government is not guaranteeing a loan [which would be bad enough]; it has bought a major part of General Motors outright — for over $50 billion. That certainly violates the fiduciary duty of the company toward its shareholders, and favors the company’s union instead — a union which has not had to give up anything at all, and still has its high school graduates making $30+ an hour, plus enviable benefits, for rote assembly line work.
In a bankruptcy, the company would be reorganized, including renegotiating excessive union contracts to market pay rates, sufficient to allow the company to compete and succeed. But with the government’s ownership and control of management — including appointing Obama’s hand-picked C.E.O. — the entire burden of a giant failed corporation is placed on the taxpayers — who never had to bail out Nash, or Hudson, or American Motors, or any other carmaker that ever went out of business. It is *wrong* for the U.S. government to own a carmaker [or any other private business], and to compete with companies that have no access to unlimited government funding.
Next, you are wrong about the IMF, which is flagrantly violating its own fiduciary duty by in effect giving away its assets to a country that absolutely refuses to take any steps necessary to put its financial house in order. The IMF requires austerity programs to be implemented in every other country as a condition of providing funding. Why is Greece the exception? Why is Greece allowed to set the IMF’s terms? Why does the IMF not simply offer its terms, and allow Greece to take them or leave them, like it does with every other country? In fact, why is the IMF even involving itself in the European Union, which should be taking care of its member countries? Certainly the IMF did not financially assist Louisiana when Katrina hit. The federal government under GWB immediately pledged $200 billion in aid to Louisiana. Why shouldn’t the EU do the same for Greece? Why should U.S. taxpayers be made to bail out an EU country?
You are wrong, Mikael, in each of your rebuttals. Saying that European countries will also suffer is no answer at all. Saying that European countries will be affected most is likewise not a credible answer. And your ridiculous statement that 18,000 people died each year before health ‘reform’ shows the silliness of your arguments: how many people died with health insurance? Certainly many more than 18,000 out of a population of 307 million. Further, it is illegal for a doctor or hospital to turn away anyone for inability to pay. Your arguments fail, because they are based on emotion, not logic or credible facts.
Finally, President Bush, like any president, is to be highly commended for making any tax cuts. And it should be pointed out that the proportion of federal taxes that “the wealthy” now pay is significantly greater than prior to the Bush tax cuts. Try and spin that fact.

May 8, 2010 11:44 am

I’m about halfway (J’s). If you want to peek at the draft, get it here.

Amino Acids in Meteorites
May 8, 2010 12:57 pm

Josualdo says:
Anyway, the big question here is: what is/should be a climate scientist’s backgound? Podiatry? X-ray crystallography? Gene splicing? Plant pathology? Something completely different? Is there such a thing?
It didn’t seem to matter to The Guardian what type of scientist they were. And no one ever stops to ask what kind of scientist Al Gore is referencing to when he says “consensus among scientists”.
But when it came to the 31,000 in the Oregon Petition manmade global warming believers/advocates started getting specific and saying none were qualified because they weren’t part of ‘the consensus’, or working at a significant university, or weren’t part of the ‘2500 scientists in the IPCC’.
They also never took time to see if the ‘2500’ of the IPCC were actually scientists. Few are. And some that actually are scientists don’t believe there are disasters coming to the earth because of manmade co2.
But The Guardian presents this letter like it has the weight to make people stop questioning and to settle the debate. They are clinging to their politics and religion.

Amino Acids in Meteorites
May 8, 2010 1:39 pm

just wondering if people should believe scientists who say the earth stopped warming because the heat is hiding somewhere
i’m just saying

May 8, 2010 2:03 pm

Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
May 8, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Josualdo says:
Anyway, the big question here is: what is/should be a climate scientist’s backgound? Podiatry? X-ray crystallography? Gene splicing? Plant pathology? Something completely different? Is there such a thing?
It didn’t seem to matter to The Guardian what type of scientist they were. And no one ever stops to ask what kind of scientist Al Gore is referencing to when he says “consensus among scientists”.
But when it came to the 31,000 in the Oregon Petition manmade global warming believers/advocates started getting specific and saying none were qualified because they weren’t part of ‘the consensus’, or working at a significant university, or weren’t part of the ’2500 scientists in the IPCC’.
They also never took time to see if the ’2500′ of the IPCC were actually scientists. Few are. And some that actually are scientists don’t believe there are disasters coming to the earth because of manmade co2.

Yes, that’s what gets me mad. As long as it’s on the believers side, it could well be a vet (nothing against vets, hey!) or a divinity doctor. When it’s from the sceptic side, a Ph D in Geophysics is no good. “Who said/published that? Ah,… well he’s not a climate scientist, you know.” Double standards really get me out of my mind (managed to correc myself in time to pass the moderation…).
BTW – Draft revision 2 is up, here. All done up to the M’s with help from other readers here. This takes some time to get to the Z’s then evaluate the blurbs. My own tiny blog is frozen in the meanwhile.

Dr A Burns
May 8, 2010 5:57 pm

>>Dan says:
>>May 7, 2010 at 6:58 am
>>Wunsch, Emanuel, Pedlosky, Munk, Manabe, Schneider, Crutzen, Broeker.
>>These folks are all giants in the field of climate science
Wunsch – oceanographer
Pedlosky – oceanographer
Munk – oceanographer
Manabe – meterologist
Schneider – biologist
Crutzen – meterologist
Broeker – geologist
Emanuel – meterologist but at least this one makes it onto Wiki’s list of climate scientists.

Roger Carr
May 8, 2010 9:15 pm

Josualdo says: (May 8, 2010 at 2:35 am) Anyway, the big question here is: what is/should be a climate scientist’s backgound? Podiatry?
Voting with your feet?
I think you’re onto something here, Joshualdo…

Roger Carr
May 8, 2010 10:15 pm

Josualdo says: (May 8, 2010 at 11:44 am) I’m about halfway (J’s). If you want to peek at the draft, get it here.
Please take a brief rest break to use a common pin to remove the gunk in your type keys (both upper and lower case “A” “a” in particular). Then some methylated spirits and an old toothbrush followed by a pad to dry them. Our eyes will then be no longer irritated, and you will be proud! (Sheesh… I remember those bad old days with pain…)