Lindzen: "Earth is never in equilibrium"

This is an essay professor Richard Lindzen of MIT sent to the Free Lance-Star in Fredericksburg, Va for their Opinion Page in March, and was recently republished in the Janesville, WI Gazette Extra where it got notice from many WUWT readers. It is well worth the read. – Anthony


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Richard Lindzen

To a significant extent, the issue of climate change revolves around the elevation of the commonplace to the ancient level of ominous omen. In a world where climate change has always been the norm, climate change is now taken as punishment for sinful levels of consumption. In a world where we experience temperature changes of tens of degrees in a single day, we treat changes of a few tenths of a degree in some statistical residue, known as the global mean temperature anomaly (GATA), as portents of disaster.

Earth has had ice ages and warmer periods when alligators were found in Spitzbergen. Ice ages have occurred in a 100,000-year cycle for the last 700,000 years, and there have been previous interglacials that appear to have been warmer than the present despite lower carbon-dioxide levels. More recently, we have had the medieval warm period and the little ice age. During the latter, alpine glaciers advanced to the chagrin of overrun villages. Since the beginning of the 19th century, these glaciers have been retreating. Frankly, we don’t fully understand either the advance or the retreat, and, indeed, some alpine glaciers are advancing again.

For small changes in GATA, there is no need for any external cause. Earth is never exactly in equilibrium. The motions of the massive oceans where heat is moved between deep layers and the surface provides variability on time scales from years to centuries. Examples include El Nino, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation, etc. Recent work suggests that this variability is enough to account for all change in the globally averaged temperature anomaly since the 19th century. To be sure, man’s emissions of carbon dioxide must have some impact. The question of importance, however, is how much.

A generally accepted answer is that a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere (it turns out that one gets the same value for a doubling regardless of what value one starts from) would perturb the energy balance of Earth about 2 percent, and this would produce about 2 degrees Fahrenheit warming in the absence of feedbacks. The observed warming over the past century, even if it were all due to increases in carbon dioxide, would not imply any greater warming.

However, current climate models do predict that a doubling of carbon dioxide might produce more warming: from 3.6 degrees F to 9 degrees F or more. They do so because within these models the far more important radiative substances, water vapor and clouds, act to greatly amplify whatever an increase in carbon dioxide might do. This is known as positive feedback. Thus, if adding carbon dioxide reduces the ability of the earth system to cool by emitting thermal radiation to space, the positive feedbacks will further reduce this ability.

It is again acknowledged that such processes are poorly handled in current models, and there is substantial evidence that the feedbacks may actually be negative rather than positive. Citing but one example, 2.5 billion years ago the sun’s brightness was 20 percent to 30 percent less than it is today (compared to the 2 percent change in energy balance associated with a doubling of carbon-dioxide levels) yet the oceans were unfrozen and the temperatures appear to have been similar to today’s.

This was referred to by Carl Sagan as the Early Faint Sun Paradox. For 30 years, there has been an unsuccessful search for a greenhouse gas resolution of the paradox, but it turns out that a modest negative feedback from clouds is entirely adequate. With the positive feedback in current models, the resolution would be essentially impossible. [Note: readers, see this recent story on WUWT from Stanford that shows Greenhouse theory isn’t needed in the faint young sun paradox at all – Anthony]

Interestingly, according to the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the greenhouse forcing from manmade gases is already about 86 percent of what one expects from a doubling of carbon dioxide (with about half coming from methane, nitrous oxide, freons, and ozone). Thus, these models should show much more warming than has been observed. The reason they don’t is that they have arbitrarily removed the difference and attributed this to essentially unknown aerosols.

The IPCC claim that most of the recent warming (since the 1950s) is due to man assumed that current models adequately accounted for natural internal variability. The failure of these models to anticipate the fact that there has been no statistically significant warming for the past 14 years or so contradicts this assumption. This has been acknowledged by major modeling groups in England and Germany.

However, the modelers chose not to stress this. Rather they suggested that the models could be further corrected, and that warming would resume by 2009, 2013, or even 2030.

Global warming enthusiasts have responded to the absence of warming in recent years by arguing that the past decade has been the warmest on record. We are still speaking of tenths of a degree, and the records themselves have come into question. Since we are, according to these records, in a relatively warm period, it is not surprising that the past decade was the warmest on record. This in no way contradicts the absence of increasing temperatures for over a decade.

Given that the evidence (and I have noted only a few of many pieces of evidence) suggests that anthropogenic warming has been greatly exaggerated, so too is the basis for alarm. However, the case for alarm would still be weak even if anthropogenic global warming were significant. Polar bears, arctic summer sea ice, regional droughts and floods, coral bleaching, hurricanes, alpine glaciers, malaria, etc., all depend not on GATA but on a huge number of regional variables including temperature, humidity, cloud cover, precipitation, and direction and magnitude of wind and the state of the ocean.

The fact that some models suggest changes in alarming phenomena will accompany global warming does not logically imply that changes in these phenomena imply global warming. This is not to say that disasters will not occur; they always have occurred, and this will not change in the future. Fighting global warming with symbolic gestures will certainly not change this. However, history tells us that greater wealth and development can profoundly increase our resilience.

One may ask why there has been the astounding upsurge in alarmism in the past four years. When an issue like global warming is around for more than 20 years, numerous agendas are developed to exploit the issue. The interests of the environmental movement in acquiring more power, influence and donations are reasonably clear. So, too, are the interests of bureaucrats for whom control of carbon dioxide is a dream come true. After all, carbon dioxide is a product of breathing itself.

Politicians can see the possibility of taxation that will be cheerfully accepted to save Earth. Nations see how to exploit this issue in order to gain competitive advantages. So do private firms. The case of Enron (a now bankrupt Texas energy firm) is illustrative. Before disintegrating in a pyrotechnic display of unscrupulous manipulation, Enron was one of the most intense lobbyists for Kyoto. It had hoped to become a trading firm dealing in carbon-emission rights. This was no small hope. These rights are likely to amount to trillions of dollars, and the commissions will run into many billions.

It is probably no accident that Al Gore himself is associated with such activities. The sale of indulgences is already in full swing with organizations selling offsets to one’s carbon footprint while sometimes acknowledging that the offsets are irrelevant. The possibilities for corruption are immense.

Finally, there are the well-meaning individuals who believe that in accepting the alarmist view of climate change, they are displaying intelligence and virtue. For them, psychic welfare is at stake.

Clearly, the possibility that warming may have ceased could provoke a sense of urgency. For those committed to the more venal agendas, the need to act soon, before the public appreciates the situation, is real indeed. However, the need to courageously resist hysteria is equally clear. Wasting resources on symbolically fighting ever-present climate change is no substitute for prudence.

Richard S. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan professor of atmospheric science at MIT. Readers may send him e-mail at rlindzenmit.edu. He wrote this for The Free Lance-Star in Fredericksburg, Va.

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rbateman
April 10, 2010 8:22 pm

Mike (19:36:29) :
Apparently you haven’t bothered to understand some of the emails from Climategate like “the Earth hasn’t warmed in 10 years and it’s a travesty we can’t account for it”, and recent statements by Phil Jones of 10 to 15 years with no warming.
The only people who are betting the farm are those betting on things they don’t own, like our future and entire economy.
Calculated risk is one thing: Drastic measures like Cap & Trade and regulating a trace gas that is a key ingredient in the food chain are quite another.
Smokey isn’t betting the farm, and neither are many of us. We are, however, trying to rein in a Panic striken and Hysteria-based movement to bet the farm on AGW.
We do not have to act quickly, but we surely have to turn every stone before launching radical measures to force the climate into a one-way trip.
There’s no Undo button for what some have in mind.
And no, I don’t see Lindzen or a hundred other seasoned scientists cut out of the loop by IPCC and others championing a cause based on predictions that are dropping like flies.

rbateman
April 10, 2010 8:30 pm

pat (20:00:10) :
Just like it responded in the ages when coal beds were laid down. Where there is an increase in food (C02), nature will supply the organisms to consume it.
Which is probably why C02 lags Ice Ages.

Bones
April 10, 2010 9:21 pm

Mike (19:36:29)
From your cite:
“In our survey, the most specialized and knowledgeable respondents (with regard to climate change) are those who listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change (79 individuals
in total).”
Meaning recipients of AGW research funds. A little like asking dentists, “Do you agree that oral hygiene affects tooth decay?” (98% answered Yes)

Garaska
April 10, 2010 9:56 pm

“davidmhoffer (12:04:43) :
Dewitt Payne
was wondering when you would show up 🙂
Enter formula: =ln(387.35/280)/ln(2) . Answer: 0.468211 Can someone please tell me how 46.8% translates to 86%?>>…..”
I think Lindzen was saying that ln(387.35/280)/ln(2) (current concentration) is 86% of ln(560/280) (the doubling)….
I didn’t do the math though

Garacka
April 10, 2010 9:57 pm

add a “/ln2” in there

davidmhoffer
April 10, 2010 10:07 pm

rbateman (20:30:11) :
pat (20:00:10) :
Just like it responded in the ages when coal beds were laid down. Where there is an increase in food (C02), nature will supply the organisms to consume it.
Which is probably why C02 lags Ice Ages>>
This has always seemed obvious to me. At the end of the ice age the cold has harmed both the animal and plant masses and pushed them down to bare minunums. The oceans have cooled, causing them to injest the bulk of the CO2, a double whammy for the plants. Then the much anitcipated warming trend comes along, and the plants get a shot at both increased temperartures which promote growth, but also in creased CO2 to drive growth as well. So intially in the warming period, the increase in pant life would gobble up any CO2 released by the oceans. Co2 would not likely increase until the temperarture got to the point where CO2 emissions exceeded the growth rate of the plants. This would likely even coincide by a recovery in the animal kindom resulting in herbivores starting to limit plant life growth by eating it, and expelling Co2 at the same time. 800 years seems pretty reasonable to me on a planetary scale.

kadaka
April 11, 2010 12:20 am

Mike (18:15:33) :
Why not read them both? That’s what I do. A. Watts probably does too.

You seriously think someone as hardworking as Mr. Watts has time to waste regularly reading realclimate? Well, perhaps a quick visit when he needs a good laugh…
I’ve never used illegal mind-altering drugs, nor do I abuse legal “when used as directed” ones. Despite any pleas to be “open minded” and “don’t knock ’em until you’ve tried ’em” I continue to have no inclination to pollute myself in that manner, even amid anecdotal reports of “beneficial” side effects. Likewise I decline to visit realclimate. Sure there may be lost gold jewelry at the bottom of a septic tank, but it’s just not worth it for me to jump on in and go searching through that muck.

Christopher Hanley
April 11, 2010 12:31 am

Of 10,257 Earth scientists invited to participate in the Doran survey, only 3146 (30.7%) responded — the respondents were self-selected.
Climatology as a physical science has blossomed in the last thirty years as a direct result of the establishment of the IPCC and its AGW hypothesis.
To state that 97% of climate scientists agree that ‘human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures’ is another example of the circular logic that seems to be a hallmark of ‘The Science’.

Roger Knights
April 11, 2010 1:13 am

Mike:
Would Linzden answer yes with this statement: “Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?”

Yes, because “human activity” includes land use changes (deforestation, irrigation, etc.), which Pielke Sr. has repeatedly argued are very significant — far more so than CO2. Pollsters can get alarmist-sounding results from their surveys can bias their results by phrasing the question this vague way (in terms of “human activity”).
The above is common knowledge on skeptical sites. Funny that it hasn’t caused “realist” sites to qualify their claims about the extent and nature of the “consensus.”

Roger Knights
April 11, 2010 1:14 am

Oops — drop the redundant “can bias their results” from the above.

Caleb
April 11, 2010 1:19 am

rw 5:22 April 10
“No study worth the paper it is printed on has suggested such a thing.”
With this sweeping generalization you brush Lindzen’s truth under the rug.
If you chose to be blind, you will not see how the rug is bulging. However you may well be tripped up by the bulge under the rug in the near future.
You may be correct, in a sad sense, if you measure the value of “paper it is printed on” using carbon credits. The amount of money flying around is obscene. 3.4 billion dollars of stimulus money went to “carbon sequestration experiments,” (100 grand, mere chicken feed, wound up in Mann’s pocket.)
http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/massive-climate-funding-exposed/
We know the pen is more mighty than the sword. We are now to find out, on sites such as WUWT, whether the pen is more mighty than the almighty dollar.
I believe truth will win in the end, especially if (and when) money becomes worthless, due to hyper-inflation.

kwik
April 11, 2010 1:19 am

Excess Heat (16:58:04) :
If that guy (McCoubrey or something) has measured excessive heat for 20 years, there should be tabletop cofee-heaters everywhere by now, dont you think?
If it was true.

Vincent
April 11, 2010 2:31 am

Mike,
“According to the survey 97.4%, 75 out of 77, climatologist said yes. Maybe the other two are right. But, do you really want to bet the farm on that.”
75 climatologists out of 77 said yes and only 2 said no? Do you even believe these figures? I can list more than 2 climatologists who dispute that most of the 20th century warming was caused by man made greenhouse gases. Here are some of them, other than Lindzen:
Spencer, Christy, Ball, Pielke, Akasofu, Keenan, Soon, Scafetta, Zorita, Loehle, Douglass, Michaels, Singer, Tidsdale.
That’s 14 straight off. If you were curious, wouldn’t you now ask why they only surveyed 77? Why did they leave these out?

cohenite
April 11, 2010 3:04 am

Re: the Dewitt and Docmartyn exchange about residency times and the degree of heating from the supposed increase in CO2; some salient points;
1 A comparative list of residency studies;
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/09/why-i-am-an-anthropogenic-global-warming-sceptic-part-3/#comments
2 The new Beenstock paper on cointegration shows that the residency time of CO2 is irrelevant because only increases in CO2 cause heating not absolute amounts; this negates the equilibrium sensitivity concept of CO2 whereby heating is delayed until the total is in equlibrium not transit.
3 The IPCC says 2xCO2 = 3C; CO2 has gone up from 280ppm to ~390ppm, an increase of 40%. GMST should have gone up 3/40% = 1.2C; GISS says 0.6C over the period and of that 0.6C TAR gives 0.4C for solar, downgraded in AR4 to 0.2C, leaving 0.4C if ENSO stationarity is assumed, which is surely wrong. So, the CO2 sensitivity is only 1/3 what it should be at best. This means the remaining 60% increase in CO2 will have to produce a temperature response of 2.6C, an increase in sensitivity to 4.33C. Given the exponetially declining effect of ^CO2 this is contradictory to physical process.
4 There is in fact an infinite sink for CO2; Dr Craig O’Neill of Macquarie University has shown that CO2 in the ocean in the form of precipitated calcite is endlessly recycled via tectonics to be deposited on the plate and mantle of the planet. He estimates that the total ocean and its contained CO2 would have been processed through the mantle at least 7 times during the Earth’s history.

TLM
April 11, 2010 4:29 am

The more I read about AGW the more convinced I am about its validity. To me it all boils down to feedbacks – as endlessly discussed here. To me the two major points are:
1. CO2 is persistent in the atmosphere. It is a greenhouse gas and its concentration is slowly rising partly due to out-gassing of the warming seas, partly due to reduced carbon sinks (burning rain forests) and partly due to emissions by man. Nothing we can do short term will stop it continuing to rise although in the long term reduced use of carbon based fuels might cause it to rise less than it might otherwise. Its long term stable nature makes it a forcing AND feedback factor in the climate.
2. Water vapour is a greenhouse gas, but its concentration in the atmosphere is highly volatile over short time spans and very temperature dependent. It is produced in warmth and sunlight and condenses out in clouds and cold conditions. Its short term nature makes it a forcing AND feedback factor in the weather
Just think how a negative feedback from water vapour might work.
The sun warms the sea and vapourises some water. This makes it warm some more and produce more water vapour. This rises into the troposphere and condenses out as clouds. The clouds reflect sunlight back and make the surface cooler and the clouds deposit their H20 as rain or snow. Although the surface is now cooler again, the skies are also clear which again allows more sun through to warm the seas which produces more water vapour which rises to form clouds, and so on and so on.
If the effect of rising temperatures is to create more clouds then this simply feeds back almost instantly into lower temperatures and thence to clear skies. Water vapour negative feedback is simply incapable of working on long enough timescales to influence the climate – although you can see how in a warming world that it could have an influence on the volatility of the weather.
In order for there to be a major negative feedback in the climate system it has to be something that works in a persistent and opposite way to the rise in CO2. I cannot think of anything – can you?

mikael pihlström
April 11, 2010 5:58 am

On the 97 % debate:
Large majorities can be wrong or right: small minorities can be wrong or
right. There is no telling, in principle. But, the AGW debate of the last decades is a concrete sociological context. The participants know each other, more or less. Can the sceptic/denier scientists deep inside really believe that all the individuals on the majority side (for instance, IPCC writers and those cited with concurrence) are affected by mass hysteria? That would include a lot of people they know from before to be critical, thoughtful scientists with integrity. Might they be avoiding an uncomfortable feeling by agitating harder, living on adrenaline?

harrywr2
April 11, 2010 6:25 am

Cohenite
“3 The IPCC says 2xCO2 = 3C; CO2 has gone up from 280ppm to ~390ppm, an increase of 40%. GMST should have gone up 3/40% = 1.2C”
It’s a log function. The first 40% does more damage then the last 40%. So if a doubling is 3c then we should have had 2C by now.
The straight radiation budget with cloud/albedo multipliers is 2xCO2 = 1.2c.
Hansen at NASA will tell you we’ve had .8C warming. Which is what is expected without multipliers.
The main multiplier the ‘warmists’ were looking at was polar ice caps. They seem to be going in the wrong direction at the moment.

Francisco
April 11, 2010 6:33 am

After some research I have come to the conclusion that the overwhelming majority of scientists working on climate do not have a degree in anything called “cllimatology”. The reason is that until very, very recently, coindicing with the ballooning of funding for climate research dedicated to AGW, no such degrees were offered. Climatology has always been an interdisciplinary field, which scientists in a variety of specializations (atmospheric physics, meterorology, oceanography, chemistry, astrophysics, geography, geology, earth sciences, environmental sciences, etc.) could move in or out of by the research the were doing. Climatology is therefore a branch loosely defined by occupation, not by degree.
This being so, Catastrophic Climate Change enthusiasts (who are among the most intellectually slothful lot the earth has ever produced) have developed an easy reflex, whereby, when they read that such or such scientist raises objections to CCC, they check what degrees this person has, and then proclaim: “Aha! he is NOT a climatologist! He is onlly a….[fill in the gap with any of the degrees mentioned above, or many others] so what does he know?”
This reflex reaches the pinnacle of absurdity when applied to people like Richard Lindzen, as it often is. It can be said with great confidence that the vast majority of papers from which the IPCC concocts its pulp fictions, are written by people who not only have no degree in “climatology” but are infinitely less qualified than Lindzen to be called “climatologists”.
I understand that the current dearth of PhDs in climatology will not be a problem in the next generation. They are being churned out with great gusto, following the boom in climate funding. And of course they all have to be believers in CCC, else they would have no career with such a degree. I understand that even Al Gore has been given an honorary degree in climatology by some university. Therefore, 15 or 20 years from now, if things continue as usual, professional climate alarmists will be able to quote mostly from people holding the appropriate degree to peddle their wares.
I can even foresee I future where universities will also offer post-graduate programs in “Climate Change Communication” as a sister discipline for the public relations branch of climatology.

mikael pihlström
April 11, 2010 7:25 am

Dave Wendt
“So now were supposed to call it the “Solidarity agenda”. Of all the euphemistic neologisms the statist collectivists have adopted for their soul killing philosophy I find this one the most egregious and offensive. ”
What you say is not relevant to Lindzen’s text nor my reaction to it.
Lindzen warns against donations to environmental movements, taxes generally, trade and cap, climate reseach funding. My ‘Solidarity agenda’ is the opposite – it’s that simple.
Why, because if IPCC is right, we have to mitigate CO2, promote new energy solutions, understand climate more deeply, assist those countries most affected.
Note, that I for the sake of the argument, am looking at it from Lindzens premises (natural variation + some role for CO2), call it ‘moderate warming’
and conclude that even that is alarming, because the resilience of the socioecological earth system is very low in respect to additional warming.
Therefore, I consider Lindzen’s and his likes complacency in front of warming
irresponsible. If I am alarmed, it means I believe something terrible is going to happen. Lindzen, who is very good with words, paints his mindscapes and
tells us not to be alarmed (= nothing terrible is going to happen). But, go tell
that to the farmers in Australia (10 th year of drought), to the millions living
in poor delta areas, to the Tonga people tasting salt in their drinking water.
And Lindzen knows that some part of this is due to CO2 emissions from
the affluent world. To much to ask: more solidarity?
Thanks for calling me an idiot. I will try to use it constructively

Norman
April 11, 2010 8:18 am

TLM (04:29:30) :
“In order for there to be a major negative feedback in the climate system it has to be something that works in a persistent and opposite way to the rise in CO2. I cannot think of anything – can you?”
Your point was that clouds are only short term weather events. This web page and graphs may convince you otherwise. Low level tropical clouds seem to have a persistence (in % coverage) that closely correlates with Global Temps.
http://www.climate4you.com/ClimateAndClouds.htm#TotalCloudCoverVersusGlobalTemperature
This is a great link for you and now I will provide another. Match the % of low leve Tropical clouds with temp and I am sending you another link that graphs Global temp and carbon dioxide. The Carbon Dioxide keeps going up but the temperature flat lines or goes down a bit. Then look back on the graph of % of low leve tropical clouds and see if that might make more sense to you than CO2 as a primary driver.
http://www.climate4you.com/index.htm

Dave F
April 11, 2010 8:20 am

mikael pihlström (16:47:32) :
I am sorry, but could you point it out to me? I did not see it anywhere. Thanks.

Francisco
April 11, 2010 8:25 am

@TLM (04:29:30) :
“If the effect of rising temperatures is to create more clouds then this simply feeds back almost instantly into lower temperatures and thence to clear skies. Water vapour negative feedback is simply incapable of working on long enough timescales to influence the climate – although you can see how in a warming world that it could have an influence on the volatility of the weather.”
“In order for there to be a major negative feedback in the climate system it has to be something that works in a persistent and opposite way to the rise in CO2. I cannot think of anything – can you?”
===================
I can’t follow your reasoning at all. The mechanism you have just described, if true, would necessarily work precisely in a “persistent and opposite way” to the thermal effect of rising CO2 levels. You might as well claim that a house thermostat cannot work “in a persistent and opposite way” to variations in ambient temperature,just because it keeps turning the heat on and off too frequently for your taste.
If clouds have a net negative feedback on temperature, then the only cancellation of this role would be to reach a point of total absence of cloud cover, or total saturation of cloud cover. In the first scenario, any further drops in temperature would not be offset by any further reduction in cloud cover, because no such reduction would be possible, and in the second scenario, any further increases in temperature would not be offset by any increase in cloud cover, because the cover is already full. I suspect we have a long way to go before the Earth is entirely devoid of clouds, or entirely surrounded by clouds.
As Lindzen explains, the Early Faint Sun Paradox — dealing with a difference in solar radiation that is 10 to 15 times larger than the alteration supposedly caused by a doubling of CO2 — could be explained precisely by assuming a “modest” cloud negative feedback. But it cannot be explained by a assuming any grenhouse mechanism.

Dave F
April 11, 2010 8:30 am

mikael pihlström (07:25:51) :
You know what is alarming? Sitting around the tail end of an interglacial and trying to find ways to inject things into the atmosphere to cool the Earth off. Unless, of course, there is scientific proof that we are going to end the era of ice ages. But wouldn’t that be a good thing for us?

Steve Keohane
April 11, 2010 9:02 am

Caleb (01:19:07) : Thanks for the AGW funding reference from Joanne Nova. She shows how the US has spent $79 billion since 1989 on research and climate industry.
One take on this is if we attribute all of the warming to this campaign, that is .00886°C/$1 billion. If we allow that half the warming is from natural cycles that is $225.7 billion for every 1°C. It looks like we need to spend $450-900 billion to get into serious warming, and that’s just for the US. Getting into ‘global’ climate change is going to cost trillions.

mikael pihlström
April 11, 2010 9:09 am

Dave F
“You know what is alarming? Sitting around the tail end of an interglacial and trying to find ways to inject things into the atmosphere to cool the Earth off. Unless, of course, there is scientific proof that we are going to end the era of ice ages. But wouldn’t that be a good thing for us?”
OK. But, I would assume that the injecting would wait for observed drastic increase of temp? At that point even WUWT would ask for it?
The next ice age is more distant in time than warming. When it comes, one
countermeasure would be to burn fossils as hell, but to have any left at that
point we need to transit to a low-carbon society now, which might save this century also.

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