Foreword – Below is a guest post (by request) from Dr. Judith Curry on the issues we deal with every day here. While I and other like minded bloggers were given the opportunity to have some early input into this, little of it was accepted. This I think puts it off to a bad start in light of the title. One of my issues was that it wasn’t necessary to use the word “deniers”, which I think removal of is central to any discourse that includes a goal of “rebuilding trust”. There’s also other more technical issues related to current investigations that are not addressed here.
I had made my concerns known to Dr. Curry before in this post: The Curry letter: a word about “deniers”… which is worth re-reading again.
To be frank, given that she’s still using the term even when pointed out, and had deferred other valid suggestions from other skeptics, I’d given serious consideration to not carrying this at all. But I had carried Dr. Curry’s original post (at my request) on 11/27/09, just seven days after the Climategate story broke here at WUWT on 11/20/09:
An open letter from Dr. Judith Curry on climate science
Since I had carried that one at my request to Dr. Curry, I decided it only fair that I’d carry this one she offered, but with the above caveat. Further, as Andrew Revkin pointed out yesterday, WUWT is now by far the most trafficked climate blog in the world. With that comes a level of responsibility to broadly report the issues. Readers should give their opinion here, pulling no punches, but with one caveat: make the discourse respectful and without labels or inflammatory comments. – Anthony

Guest post by Judith Curry, Georgia Institute of Technology
I am trying something new, a blogospheric experiment, if you will. I have been a fairly active participant in the blogosphere since 2006, and recently posted two essays on climategate, one at climateaudit.org and the other at climateprogress.org. Both essays were subsequently picked up by other blogs, and the diversity of opinions expressed at the different blogs was quite interesting. Hence I am distributing this essay to a number of different blogs simultaneously with the hope of demonstrating the collective power of the blogosphere to generate ideas and debate them. I look forward to a stimulating discussion on this important topic.
Losing the Public’s Trust
Climategate has now become broadened in scope to extend beyond the CRU emails to include glaciergate and a host of other issues associated with the IPCC. In responding to climategate, the climate research establishment has appealed to its own authority and failed to understand that climategate is primarily a crisis of trust. Finally, we have an editorial published in Science on February 10 from Ralph Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Science, that begins to articulate the trust issue: “This view reflects the fragile nature of trust between science and society, demonstrating that the perceived misbehavior of even a few scientists can diminish the credibility of science as a whole. What needs to be done? Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.” While I applaud loudly Dr. Cicerone’s statement, I wish it had been made earlier and had not been isolated from the public by publishing the statement behind paywall at Science. Unfortunately, the void of substantive statements from our institutions has been filled in ways that have made the situation much worse.
Credibility is a combination of expertise and trust. While scientists persist in thinking that they should be trusted because of their expertise, climategate has made it clear that expertise itself is not a sufficient basis for public trust. The fallout from climategate is much broader than the allegations of misconduct by scientists at two universities. Of greatest importance is the reduced credibility of the IPCC assessment reports, which are providing the scientific basis for international policies on climate change. Recent disclosures about the IPCC have brought up a host of concerns about the IPCC that had been festering in the background: involvement of IPCC scientists in explicit climate policy advocacy; tribalism that excluded skeptics; hubris of scientists with regards to a noble (Nobel) cause; alarmism; and inadequate attention to the statistics of uncertainty and the complexity of alternative interpretations.
The scientists involved in the CRU emails and the IPCC have been defended as scientists with the best of intentions trying to do their work in a very difficult environment. They blame the alleged hacking incident on the “climate denial machine.” They are described as fighting a valiant war to keep misinformation from the public that is being pushed by skeptics with links to the oil industry. They are focused on moving the science forward, rather than the janitorial work of record keeping, data archival, etc. They have had to adopt unconventional strategies to fight off what they thought was malicious interference. They defend their science based upon their years of experience and their expertise.
Scientists are claiming that the scientific content of the IPCC reports is not compromised by climategate. The jury is still out on the specific fallout from climategate in terms of the historical and paleo temperature records. There are larger concerns (raised by glaciergate, etc.) particularly with regards to the IPCC Assessment Report on Impacts (Working Group II): has a combination of groupthink, political advocacy and a noble cause syndrome stifled scientific debate, slowed down scientific progress and corrupted the assessment process? If institutions are doing their jobs, then misconduct by a few individual scientists should be quickly identified, and the impacts of the misconduct should be confined and quickly rectified. Institutions need to look in the mirror and ask the question as to how they enabled this situation and what opportunities they missed to forestall such substantial loss of public trust in climate research and the major assessment reports.
In their misguided war against the skeptics, the CRU emails reveal that core research values became compromised. Much has been said about the role of the highly politicized environment in providing an extremely difficult environment in which to conduct science that produces a lot of stress for the scientists. There is no question that this environment is not conducive to science and scientists need more support from their institutions in dealing with it. However, there is nothing in this crazy environment that is worth sacrificing your personal or professional integrity. And when your science receives this kind of attention, it means that the science is really important to the public. Therefore scientists need to do everything possible to make sure that they effectively communicate uncertainty, risk, probability and complexity, and provide a context that includes alternative and competing scientific viewpoints. This is an important responsibility that individual scientists and particularly the institutions need to take very seriously.
Both individual scientists and the institutions need to look in the mirror and really understand how this happened. Climategate isn’t going to go away until these issues are resolved. Science is ultimately a self-correcting process, but with a major international treaty and far-reaching domestic legislation on the table, the stakes couldn’t be higher.
The Changing Nature of Skepticism about Global Warming
Over the last few months, I have been trying to understand how this insane environment for climate research developed. In my informal investigations, I have been listening to the perspectives of a broad range of people that have been labeled as “skeptics” or even “deniers”. I have come to understand that global warming skepticism is very different now than it was five years ago. Here is my take on how global warming skepticism has evolved over the past several decades.
In the 1980’s, James Hansen and Steven Schneider led the charge in informing the public of the risks of potential anthropogenic climate change. Sir John Houghton and Bert Bolin played similar roles in Europe. This charge was embraced by the environmental advocacy groups, and global warming alarmism was born. During this period I would say that many if not most researchers, including myself, were skeptical that global warming was detectable in the temperature record and that it would have dire consequences. The traditional foes of the environmental movement worked to counter the alarmism of the environmental movement, but this was mostly a war between advocacy groups and not an issue that had taken hold in the mainstream media and the public consciousness. In the first few years of the 21st century, the stakes became higher and we saw the birth of what some have called a “monolithic climate denial machine”. Skeptical research published by academics provided fodder for the think tanks and advocacy groups, which were fed by money provided by the oil industry. This was all amplified by talk radio and cable news.
In 2006 and 2007, things changed as a result of Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth” plus the IPCC 4th Assessment Report, and global warming became a seemingly unstoppable juggernaut. The reason that the IPCC 4th Assessment Report was so influential is that people trusted the process the IPCC described: participation of a thousand scientists from 100 different countries, who worked for several years to produce 3000 pages with thousands of peer reviewed scientific references, with extensive peer review. Further, the process was undertaken with the participation of policy makers under the watchful eyes of advocacy groups with a broad range of conflicting interests. As a result of the IPCC influence, scientific skepticism by academic researchers became vastly diminished and it became easier to embellish the IPCC findings rather than to buck the juggernaut. Big oil funding for contrary views mostly dried up and the mainstream media supported the IPCC consensus. But there was a new movement in the blogosphere, which I refer to as the “climate auditors”, started by Steve McIntyre. The climate change establishment failed to understand this changing dynamic, and continued to blame skepticism on the denial machine funded by big oil.
Climate Auditors and the Blogosphere
Steve McIntyre started the blog climateaudit.org so that he could defend himself against claims being made at the blog realclimate.org with regards to his critique of the “hockey stick” since he was unable to post his comments there. Climateaudit has focused on auditing topics related to the paleoclimate reconstructions over the past millennia (in particular the so called “hockey stick”) and also the software being used by climate researchers to fix data problems due to poor quality surface weather stations in the historical climate data record. McIntyre’s “auditing” became very popular not only with the skeptics, but also with the progressive “open source” community, and there are now a number of such blogs. The blog with the largest public audience is wattsupwiththat.com, led by weatherman Anthony Watts, with over 2 million unique visitors each month.
So who are the climate auditors? They are technically educated people, mostly outside of academia. Several individuals have developed substantial expertise in aspects of climate science, although they mainly audit rather than produce original scientific research. They tend to be watchdogs rather than deniers; many of them classify themselves as “lukewarmers”. They are independent of oil industry influence. They have found a collective voice in the blogosphere and their posts are often picked up by the mainstream media. They are demanding greater accountability and transparency of climate research and assessment reports.
So what motivated their FOIA requests of the CRU at the University of East Anglia? Last weekend, I was part of a discussion on this issue at the Blackboard. Among the participants in this discussion was Steven Mosher, who broke the climategate story and has already written a book on it here. They are concerned about inadvertent introduction of bias into the CRU temperature data by having the same people who create the dataset use the dataset in research and in verifying climate models; this concern applies to both NASA GISS and the connection between CRU and the Hadley Centre. This concern is exacerbated by the choice of James Hansen at NASA GISS to become a policy advocate, and his forecasts of forthcoming “warmest years.” Medical research has long been concerned with the introduction of such bias, which is why they conduct double blind studies when testing the efficacy of a medical treatment. Any such bias could be checked by independent analyses of the data; however, people outside the inner circle were unable to obtain access to the information required to link the raw data to the final analyzed product. Further, creation of the surface data sets was treated like a research project, with no emphasis on data quality analysis, and there was no independent oversight. Given the importance of these data sets both to scientific research and public policy, they feel that greater public accountability is required.
So why do the mainstream climate researchers have such a problem with the climate auditors? The scientists involved in the CRU emails seem to regard Steve McIntyre as their arch-nemesis (Roger Pielke Jr’s term). Steve McIntyre’s early critiques of the hockey stick were dismissed and he was characterized as a shill for the oil industry. Academic/blogospheric guerilla warfare ensued, as the academic researchers tried to prevent access of the climate auditors to publishing in scientific journals and presenting their work at professional conferences, and tried to deny them access to published research data and computer programs. The bloggers countered with highly critical posts in the blogosphere and FOIA requests. And climategate was the result.
So how did this group of bloggers succeed in bringing the climate establishment to its knees (whether or not the climate establishment realizes yet that this has happened)? Again, trust plays a big role; it was pretty easy to follow the money trail associated with the “denial machine”. On the other hand, the climate auditors have no apparent political agenda,
are doing this work for free, and have been playing a watchdog role, which has engendered the trust of a large segment of the population.
Towards Rebuilding Trust
Rebuilding trust with the public on the subject of climate research starts with Ralph Cicerone’s statement “Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.” Much has been written about the need for greater transparency, reforms to peer review, etc. and I am hopeful that the relevant institutions will respond appropriately. Investigations of misconduct are being conducted at the University of East Anglia and at Penn State. Here I would like to bring up some broader issues that will require substantial reflection by the institutions and also by individual scientists.
Climate research and its institutions have not yet adapted to its high policy relevance. How scientists can most effectively and appropriately engage with the policy process is a topic that has not been adequately discussed (e.g. the “honest broker” challenge discussed by Roger Pielke Jr), and climate researchers are poorly informed in this regard. The result has been reflexive support for the UNFCCC policy agenda (e.g. carbon cap and trade) by many climate researchers that are involved in the public debate (particularly those involved in the IPCC), which they believe follows logically from the findings of the (allegedly policy neutral) IPCC. The often misinformed policy advocacy by this group of climate scientists has played a role in the political polarization of this issue.. The interface between science and policy is a muddy issue, but it is very important that scientists have guidance in navigating the potential pitfalls. Improving this situation could help defuse the hostile environment that scientists involved in the public debate have to deal with, and would also help restore the public trust of climate scientists.
The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC is often blamed on difficulties of communicating such a complex topic to a relatively uneducated public that is referred to as “unscientific America” by Chris Mooney. Efforts are made to “dumb down” the message and to frame the message to respond to issues that are salient to the audience. People have heard the alarm, but they remain unconvinced because of a perceived political agenda and lack of trust of the message and the messengers. At the same time, there is a large group of educated and evidence driven people (e.g. the libertarians, people that read the technical skeptic blogs, not to mention policy makers) who want to understand the risk and uncertainties associated with climate change, without being told what kinds of policies they should be supporting. More effective communication strategies can be devised by recognizing that there are two groups with different levels of base knowledge about the topic. But building trust through public communication on this topic requires that uncertainty be acknowledged. My own experience in making public presentations about climate change has found that discussing the uncertainties increases the public trust in what scientists are trying to convey and doesn’t detract from the receptivity to understanding climate change risks (they distrust alarmism). Trust can also be rebuilt by discussing broad choices rather than focusing on specific policies.
And finally, the blogosphere can be a very powerful tool for increasing the credibility of climate research. “Dueling blogs” (e.g. climateprogress.org versus wattsupwiththat.com and realclimate.org versus climateaudit.org) can actually enhance public trust in the science as they see both sides of the arguments being discussed. Debating science with skeptics should be the spice of academic life, but many climate researchers lost this somehow by mistakenly thinking that skeptical arguments would diminish the public trust in the message coming from the climate research establishment. Such debate is alive and well in the blogosphere, but few mainstream climate researchers participate in the blogospheric debate. The climate researchers at realclimate.org were the pioneers in this, and other academic climate researchers hosting blogs include Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke Sr and Jr, Richard Rood, and Andrew Dessler. The blogs that are most effective are those that allow comments from both sides of the debate (many blogs are heavily moderated). While the blogosphere has a “wild west” aspect to it, I have certainly learned a lot by participating in the blogospheric debate including how to sharpen my thinking and improve the rhetoric of my arguments. Additional scientific voices entering the public debate particularly in the blogosphere would help in the broader communication efforts and in rebuilding trust. And we need to acknowledge the emerging auditing and open source movements in the in the internet-enabled world, and put them to productive use. The openness and democratization of knowledge enabled by the internet can be a tremendous tool for building public understanding of climate science and also trust in climate research.
No one really believes that the “science is settled” or that “the debate is over.” Scientists and others that say this seem to want to advance a particular agenda. There is nothing more detrimental to public trust than such statements.
And finally, I hope that this blogospheric experiment will demonstrate how the diversity of the different blogs can be used collectively to generate ideas and debate them, towards bringing some sanity to this whole situation surrounding the politicization of climate science and rebuilding trust with the public.
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geo (14:40:40) :
It’s more like…
Can you give us a break? let us re-load before you shoot again!
DaveE.
hohoho!
http://noteviljustwrong.com/blog/general/376
I am only a simpleminded engineering type, and I am not at all uncomfortable with the label denier. I am a denier not a skeptic. I deny that there is evidence to support a theory that says man made CO2 is responsible for global warming.
Whether the climate is warming or cooling is not the issue, climates do that. Only AGW is the issue. So don’t loose sight of the all important question, even though the climate cabal would like you to.
First it was warming then it was change and now it is building trust. And this from the climate business where for over twenty years thousands sold their soul to a corrupt, incompetent political organization, for fame and fortune. Now that fame is not in abundance anymore and fortune is likely to decline the subject will be shifted again.
Saving science is a good candidate. From my simpleminded perspective science on the whole is doing fine. And you have to be very generous to accept climatology as even a junior member of the club. In engineering only results count. In essays content and style counts. In this essay? Too many words, not enough content.
“Readers should give their opinion here, pulling no punches, but with one caveat: make the discourse respectful and without labels or inflammatory comments. – Anthony”
OK. I have reached the point, unfortunately, where I find it impossible to engage in “respectful,” “polite” discourse with global warmers.
I get angry, nasty, and harsh with them.
“Environmentalists” and so forth would much rather have people be respectful to them, of course – so they can ignore them and continue to try to impose their will on people in a typically arrogant fashion. “Respectful” disagreement with them is smugly ignored or belittled.
On behalf of the people (intentionally or not) harmed by enviro arrogance and stupid demands about energy use and availability, and who typically have no voice to speak out for one reason or another,
I get REAL nasty, REAL tough, and REAL, REAL, REAL belligerent –
and I remain very proud of it, too
“geo (06:01:51)”
Of course, I completely agree with you.
Bemoaning the lost of trust here is like blaming the victim. Being lied to and manipulated is bad enough, here is an essay asking the general public to blissfully walk into another con job by some of these climate science clowns. Seriously. What a brazen sense of entitlement.
Dr. Curry’s piece reads as entirely political, both in style and content.
“The truth as presented by the IPCC”, “the .. democratization of knowledge enabled by the internet”. Bromides and soothing generalizations expressed from deep within the status quo.
Breath-takingly complacent, seemingly unaware of how much damage is being done to scientific institutions – not to mention industry, agriculture and education – across the globe, she sails blithely on towards a fondly imagined reconciliation, where the opposing views harmonise for the benefit of all.
Spare us, Dr. Curry. Your intentions may be honourable, but I wouldn’t take that on trust either.
The problem here is that there are “denialists” on both sides. No reasonable person with a scientific background doubts that additional CO2 in the lower troposphere holds additional heat closer to the surface, *all other things being equal*. The trouble is all other things are not equal, and by far *most* of the denialists in this argument are the ones denying that additional CO2 may in fact be trivial in the big picture.
Spare us if we do not believe in GCM’s that can’t even make rain.
Dr Curry,
One of the hallmarks of the scientific method is the ability to REPRODUCE results. Anyone who does work and publishes it should expect that others will attempt to reproduce their work – and welcome it. It is the touchstone of science and it is the ultimate guardian against both error and fraud. And no-one has any right to dictate or control who will do the work of reproduction.
The principle of reproducibility has been lost and forgotten in recent climate science. Where data can be re-created from scratch by new experiments, storing and making raw data available is not a big issue. However, when you are dealing with one-time data, such as historical temperature records, there is no such luxury. The raw temperature records are the thing being studied and there is no way in which they can be reproduced.
As a result, it is absolutely necessary for this raw data to be stored permanently in an unaltered form – and it is also necessary for this data to be freely available for anyone to use. Anything less is simply the destruction of the scientific method.
No-one should be able to pick and choose who is able to see and use the raw data. Anyone should be able to analyse it in any way they choose. Whether any particular analysis is good or bad, what assumptions are made, what techniques are employed – these are all up for grabs – although scientific transparency calls for the actual methods employed to be published openly and clearly.
If one person or group does not like criticism of their methods, or the use of alternative methods by others – tough – and is probably a good idea if they abandon science altogether if they think it is a criticism-free zone.
These are the issues at the heart of the scientific controversy here. The politics is something else altogether – but it is essential to get the science right first.
I’m sorry, but I couldn’t let this one slide either:
“So who are the climate auditors? They are technically educated people, mostly outside of academia. ”
Dr. Curry, most skeptics that I know personally are in fact current PhD students, or recent PhD grads, in quantitative economics and statistics. Without exception, we are young (<30) and as 'inside the ivory towers' as it gets. Also, within this group, the ratio of skeptic to believer is somewhere around 9/1, and that '1' is generally either a D student or eco-fanatic who desperately needs the AGW problem in order to justify his or her proposed 'solutions for saving the planet' (usually both, and I'm not exaggerating).
Many of us have chosen to forfeit relatively good job offers from banks and consultancies and live on graduate student stipends in order to devote a significant part of our lives to science. So if you are wondering why we are so angry at you, take a minute and think about what your clique's misbehavior implies for the reputation of our chosen discipline and our future careers.
You incorrectly applied OUR methods to derive your desired results. You flouted every ethical standard erected within our data-focused disciplines by fudging the numbers. And finally, you presented your conclusions as if they were derived from a thousand experimental reproductions, instead of a few lousy (and manipulated) series.
Here's a simple example of how incredibly incompetent your colleagues are when applying our methods:
"Now, the panel concluded that it was at least 90% certain that human emissions of greenhouse gases rather than natural variations are warming the planet's surface."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6321351.stm
So the IPCC draws this conclusion from the p-value of the hypothesis test that the Man Made CO2 coefficient in your (lousy and improper regression) is equal to 0 being lower than 10%? As any statistics student can tell you, this is absolutely the WORST way to interpret a p-value. Yet the IPCC keeps propagating this as the outcome of a proper application of statistical methods.
In fact, I remember an econometrics professor flunking a colleague of mine, just for making that assertion on an exam. He then took his exam, and explained to the rest of the class why any of us making that mistake will be immediately flunked, regardless of our overall score.
This is why we don't want peace and reconciliation. No, we want you to go DOWN, with as much fireworks as possible. Not because we want to 'save the planet', or we demand some abstract 'justice', but because we don't want to spend the rest of our lives explaining to the general public that not all scientists working with data 'hide the decline'.
Again, I appreciate your effort, as you seem to be one of the humbler members of your community, but it is clear that you are trying to preserve the current status quo (i.e. the large amounts of funding and attention you are currently receiving).
We will not let you.
And trust me, it's going to be a long and bloody battle, because we, unlike the group of 'auditors' you are referring to, have our whole careers in front of us.
> I think it is high time that WUWT produce some kind of homage to Michael Crichton.
That’s the same Michael Crichton who perpetuated a deliberate misrepresentation of James Hansen’s testimony to congress, yes?
@Bob Kutz
> All it would take for my faith to be restored is this;
> 1) Prove, from scratch, that global surface T is increasing. […]
> 2) Prove what percent of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic. […]
> 3) Prove what part of global warming came from CO2, and what part came from natural variance […]
> Finally; (the easy part) split out the anthropogenic CO2 warming from the natural CO2 warming […]
> It’s just that simple. Until you do; you’re wrong. Call me a skeptic.
Of course, everything you request has been painstakingly put together over many years in the IPCC assessment reports. Are they not good enough for you?
Probably not, when you express prejudice like:
> […] data set as it exists is too suspect for science, having been in the custody of advocates with an agenda rather than scientists seeking the truth.
You preemptively rule out the source, so nothing will ever convince you.
@Dave —
Careful reading of AR4, WG1, in toto but especially Ch. 9, demonstrates that the IPCC not only has no strong evidence for any of Kutz’ points, but in fact has found no actual evidence whatever for any of them.
Note how much real trouble the IPCC is in now that bloggers are starting to actually read AR4.
Dave (05:15:37) :
“Of course, everything you request has been painstakingly put together over many years in the IPCC assessment reports. Are they not good enough for you?”
Actually, I’ve combed through the WG1 part of the IPCC’s AR4, and I couldn’t find any convincing ‘proof’ that CO2 is in fact a large contributor to warming.
Please note, lab-based experimental results (from e.g. chemistry and physics) do not constitute proof of a hypothetical model claiming to explain the workings of a hyper-complex system such as global climate. They function as inputs for a phenomenological model, but the model still needs to be proven empirically (as a reference: most economic models can be considered phenomenological)
Also, climate computer models are again simply extrapolations of (approximations of) hypothetical relationships, and as such are not ‘proof’, no matter how much they ‘correlate’ historically.
What I, and any scientist that ever attended a first year university methodology course, would consider ‘sufficient proof’ would be:
(1) A robust statistical test of the hypothesized relationship between CO2 and temperatures (although I would still be careful with this).
(2) A fundamental physical model (not phenomenological! those need to be tested as per (1)). However, my physicist friends tell me that, in the context of climate science, even the boundary conditions (as relating to differential equations) of such fundamental models are impossible to write down, let alone solve.
So, as of now, I haven’t found (1), nor (2).
However, I might have missed it, since I admit to not having read every single paragraph of the report. So, since you seem to be so convinced, would you please refer me to any such ‘proof’?
I would be delighted to see the empirical testing procedures/derivation techniques employed.
Thanks in advance!
clarification related to the John from CA (14:31:45) post.
Dr. Curry, when I remarked that “The reports, the facts, and the exaggerated claims do nothing but support a complete lack of credibility for Climate Science and convince us that you have been “bought”, I didn’t mean you personally.
The problem is, the science is buried under the “spin” and not benchmarked on its own.
Best,
John from CA
Very late to this item, but here goes anyway for those who choose to read this far.
It is not Science that is mistrusted, it is “climate research science.” This is similar to the mistrust of Keynesian economists and Wall Streeters. This goes back to the old saying, “Cheat me once, shame on you. Cheat me twice, shame on me.”
Ms. Curry appears to be oblivious to what creates trust; I don’t know if this is intentional on her part or not.
Trust doesn’t just appear, out of thin air. It is the result of a continuous stream of truth. If you keep telling the truth, eventually people start to trust you. In research, if you show how you did your work fairly, and allow others to reproduce your results for themselves, and if you don’t suppress counter evidence, then you work will tend to be accepted as truth.
At first, people will – and should – check you work like a hawk. But, once you build up a reputation for treating the data honestly and telling it like it is, you begin to be trusted.
Trust isn’t because of the words you use, or your public relations skills. It’s because you tell the truth.
So let’s see how the Climate Research Crowd has been doing.
Mann: His Hockey Stick was built on cherry picked records of trees that are highly influenced by CO2 concentrations. He ignored contrary data verifying the Medeval Warm Period and truncated his data when it went against his thesis, filling in instead with incompatibly sourced data which helped his case. In other words, he lied.
Briffa: His Hockey Stick was built similarly to Mann’s. He lied.
Steig: His analysis of temperature trends in antarctica used almost exclusively coastal readings to impute (manipulate) continental averages, and the preponderance of those coastal readings were from the peninsula area, where he conveniently forgot to mention that there were several volcanoes going off below the ice. He lied.
Hansen: His continuing control of the GISS data is characterized by an about 80% reduction is station data being included in the dataset, with most of the removed stations being toward the north or at higher elevations – cooler stations. He infills, and adjusts rural stations with long records, to homogenize their geographical readings to more closely resemble UHI rich cities and airports. He lied.
Jones et al: Read the ClimateGate record. They lied.
IPCC: They have been caught in one lie after another.
Those who say “Oil Money There!”: Government funding of the AGW industry outweighs big oil’s support of research by a factor of 1,000! These people intentionally try to muddy the waters. And, lest you say that government money is clean (Hah!), remember one of the three bid lies: “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help you.” These people lie.
Gore: Not a scientist, but he takes it upon himself to speak for the community – and they don’t dispute what he says. His “An Inconvenient Truth” is so full of lies that it can’t be shown in British schools without a full disclaimer of the inconvenient mistruths in the script. He lied.
The trust issue is not about advocacy. It’s not about ignoring skeptics arguments. It’s not about name calling by the Climate Researchers. It’s not about keeping opposing articles out of print.
All these items don’t help the situation, but they are not the cause of the mistrust. It is the outright lying and misrepresentation of scientific data which is the cause of the crisis of trust.
So, Ms Curry, until you wake up and face the reality of the lies which are at the heart of the entire Global Warming Industry – oops, now you’re calling it Climate Change (my bad) – and throw out all the material generated from the lies and try again – ie. base your thesis on the truth, it will be impossible to generate even the tiniest amount of trust.
First, build a record of truth, then the trust will take care of itself.
Potential replacements for the D-word include:
Dissenters, Dissidents, Deviationists. RC is now using the 2nd word in the list instead of Deniers — good for them.
I like the 3rd, because of what it insinuates about our opponents (they’re party-liners). I also like “Dissimulators vs. Dissenters.”
PS: I suggest that all future Coolist Confabs be sited in a Denny’s parking lot, so we can call ourselves Denny-ers.
In the real world a “Monolothic Climate Denial Machine” might just be called an opposing viewpoint, or conscientious objector wouldn’t it. And since when did a few screw-loose, flat earthers constitute a monolithic machine? Funny that even their own idiotic terms contradict their idiotic claims.
And so goes paragraph after paragraph of self impressed BS.
Here’s the facts. The average person who is going to vote, be affected, or form an opinion on Global Warming would have stopped reading by the second paragraph. So whatever great points she Dr. Curry thinks she is making, she is not making them TO anyone. But I would argue that she doesn’t make a good point in the whole exercise.
Riddle me this: Where are the Gravity deniers? Where are the Newtonian Physics deniers? When was the last time you read an editorial by Sarah Palin slamming Boyle’s Law? There aren’t any and the reasons why don’t require a ten page dissertation.
Climate is driven by independent variables. Independent variables are independent variables because they are not controllable or predictible. Yet to this day they the Alarmists all contend that they can accurately predict future climate. That single fact alone is such clear and unmistakable proof of the fantastic frauds that the so called “worlds leading climatologists” really are that I wonder what in the world Dr. Curry is babbling on and on about for 10 hours.
When you keep in in the realm of science its an open and shut case. Not surprisingly the issue has suddenly devolved into discussions on integrity, human nature, sociology, blah blah blah. And again you all have gotten sucked into it instead of sticking to the simple, clear, and undeniable facts.
As I’ve said since the late 90’s, produce a quantifiable causal mechanism that is valid and reproducible and I’ll believe 100% ON THE SPOT. But failure to do so is all the proof I need that its a scam. THATS HOW IT WORKS. Yet a decade later I’m still waiting for the same thing, and the inane, self impressed ramblings of yet another smarter-than-you academic are not an acceptable substitute.
This is all getting very pathetic…
VS, you are my hero.
Thanks for keeping it real. So many here get sucked into the emotion, misdirection and loaded discussions. Science is independent of all these things. Way to keep it on point brother…
I’ve seen official tables showing that CO2 production has been down substantially (about 5% or so IIRC) in the US due to the Great Recession. It’s down in Europe too for the same reason, no doubt.
Several contributors to this discussion have addressed the semantics in which the people who supply the theoretical backing for the IPCC assessments are called “scientists” while the people who doubt any portion of this backing are called “deniers” or “skeptics.” The people in the latter camp seem to have accepted the labels that have been hung around their necks. In my opinion, this is a serious mistake.
If climate “science” were to be reformed into a real science, one of the first acts in the reformation would have to be to correct these highly misleading semantics. With the semantics corrected, the scientists would have to be distinguished from the pseudo-scientists and the latter either reformed or shuffled off into obscurity.
The lack of falsifiability of the IPCC climate models, the lack interest by the IPCC in rendering these models falsifiable and the high level of confidence which the IPCC expresses in the projections of these models all identify the IPCC “scientists” as priests. Because these priests represent themselves as scientists, the proper term for them is “pseudo-scientists.”
Some of the people who cast doubt on the projections of the IPCC models may be motivated by financial gain or political conviction. For these people, like the IPCC “scientists,” the proper term is not “scientist.” However, for the many doubters whose only desire is for the methodology of science to be employed in climatology, the proper term is “scientist” and not “sceptic” or “denier.”
Syrup of IPeCaC.
The big problem for the so called Climate Scientists is not that the public doesn’t believe them, but that the climate is ignoring their scary models in a bottle.
The climate changed in the last four CO2 laden decades almost exactly the same way it did in four decades sixty years ago. The 2007 Arctic cap meltdown was similar to, but weaker than the well documented one in 1922.
It seems to be almost a requirement for these people to be always amazed like a newborn for whom everything in the world is new.
As a scientist, I am very worried that these fluff-scientists (scientists-lite?) are giving science a bad name.
And no, I am not a denier. I cannot be, since there isn’t that much left to deny…
Anthony,
Could you maybe start a list with links to all the instances when climate change advocates try to confuse people by mistaking “rate of warming” with “temperature”. Here is a random example from
http://www.repoweramerica.org/climate-change-causes-severe-weather/
referred to in Judith Curry’s letter.
Fact: The world is warming at a quickening pace
Weather in one region over days or months should not be confused with climate or the patterns of weather over decades and centuries. And the science is clear here: the last decade was the hottest on record.
The infamous Hansen report
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/temp-analysis-2009.html
tries hard to imply the same thing.
This issue is very important for the pubic view of climate change.
Confusing a value with a rate of increase would earn one a solid Fail in seventh grade, when children study data analysis.
Maybe trying to bring Climate Science to the level of science is too far fetched. One should though aim at least for a GED (GCSEs in Britain.)