On the Credibility of Climate Research, Part II: Towards Rebuilding Trust

Foreword – Below is  a guest post (by request) from Dr. Judith Curry on the issues we deal with every day here. While I and other like minded bloggers were given the opportunity to have some early input into this, little of it was accepted. This I think puts it off to a bad start in light of the title. One of my issues was that it wasn’t necessary to use the word “deniers”, which I think removal of is central to any discourse that includes a goal of “rebuilding trust”. There’s also other more technical issues related to current investigations that are not addressed here.

I had made my concerns known to Dr. Curry before in this post: The Curry letter: a word about “deniers”… which is worth re-reading again.

To be frank, given that she’s still using the term even when pointed out, and had deferred other valid suggestions from other skeptics, I’d given serious consideration to not carrying this at all. But I had carried Dr. Curry’s original post (at my request) on 11/27/09, just seven days after the Climategate story broke here at WUWT on 11/20/09:

An open letter from Dr. Judith Curry on climate science

Since I had carried that one at my request to Dr. Curry, I decided it only fair that I’d carry this one she offered, but with the above caveat. Further, as Andrew Revkin pointed out yesterday, WUWT is now by far the most trafficked climate blog in the world. With that comes a level of responsibility to broadly report the issues. Readers should give their opinion here, pulling no punches, but with one caveat: make the discourse respectful and without labels or inflammatory comments. – Anthony


Judith  Curry

Guest post by Judith Curry, Georgia Institute of Technology

I am trying something new, a blogospheric experiment, if you will.  I have been a fairly active participant in the blogosphere since 2006, and recently posted two essays on climategate, one at climateaudit.org and the other at climateprogress.org.  Both essays were subsequently picked up by other blogs, and the diversity of opinions expressed at the different blogs was quite interesting.  Hence I am distributing this essay to a number of different blogs simultaneously with the hope of demonstrating the collective power of the blogosphere to generate ideas and debate them.  I look forward to a stimulating discussion on this important topic.

Losing the Public’s Trust

Climategate has now become broadened in scope to extend beyond the CRU emails to include glaciergate and a host of other issues associated with the IPCC. In responding to climategate, the climate research establishment has appealed to its own authority and failed to understand that climategate is primarily a crisis of trust.  Finally, we have an editorial published in Science on February 10 from Ralph Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Science, that begins to articulate the trust issue: “This view reflects the fragile nature of trust between science and society, demonstrating that the perceived misbehavior of even a few scientists can diminish the credibility of science as a whole. What needs to be done? Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.”  While I applaud loudly Dr. Cicerone’s statement, I wish it had been made earlier and had not been isolated from the public by publishing the statement behind paywall at Science. Unfortunately, the void of substantive statements from our institutions has been filled in ways that have made the situation much worse.

Credibility is a combination of expertise and trust.  While scientists persist in thinking that they should be trusted because of their expertise, climategate has made it clear that expertise itself is not a sufficient basis for public trust.  The fallout from climategate is much broader than the allegations of misconduct by scientists at two universities.   Of greatest importance is the reduced credibility of the IPCC assessment reports, which are providing the scientific basis for international policies on climate change.  Recent disclosures about the IPCC have brought up a host of concerns about the IPCC that had been festering in the background: involvement of IPCC scientists in explicit climate policy advocacy; tribalism that excluded skeptics; hubris of scientists with regards to a noble (Nobel) cause; alarmism; and inadequate attention to the statistics of uncertainty and the complexity of alternative interpretations.

The scientists involved in the CRU emails and the IPCC have been defended as scientists with the best of intentions trying to do their work in a very difficult environment.  They blame the alleged hacking incident on the “climate denial machine.”  They are described as fighting a valiant war to keep misinformation from the public that is being pushed by skeptics with links to the oil industry. They are focused on moving the science forward, rather than the janitorial work of record keeping, data archival, etc. They have had to adopt unconventional strategies to fight off what they thought was malicious interference. They defend their science based upon their years of experience and their expertise.

Scientists are claiming that the scientific content of the IPCC reports is not compromised by climategate.  The jury is still out on the specific fallout from climategate in terms of the historical and paleo temperature records.   There are larger concerns (raised by glaciergate, etc.) particularly with regards to the IPCC Assessment Report on Impacts (Working Group II):  has a combination of groupthink, political advocacy and a noble cause syndrome stifled scientific debate, slowed down scientific progress and corrupted the assessment process?  If institutions are doing their jobs, then misconduct by a few individual scientists should be quickly identified, and the impacts of the misconduct should be confined and quickly rectified.  Institutions need to look in the mirror and ask the question as to how they enabled this situation and what opportunities they missed to forestall such substantial loss of public trust in climate research and the major assessment reports.

In their misguided war against the skeptics, the CRU emails reveal that core research values became compromised.   Much has been said about the role of the highly politicized environment in providing an extremely difficult environment in which to conduct science that produces a lot of stress for the scientists.  There is no question that this environment is not conducive to science and scientists need more support from their institutions in dealing with it.  However, there is nothing in this crazy environment that is worth sacrificing your personal or professional integrity.  And when your science receives this kind of attention, it means that the science is really important to the public.  Therefore scientists need to do everything possible to make sure that they effectively communicate uncertainty, risk, probability and complexity, and provide a context that includes alternative and competing scientific viewpoints.  This is an important responsibility that individual scientists and particularly the institutions need to take very seriously.

Both individual scientists and the institutions need to look in the mirror and really understand how this happened.  Climategate isn’t going to go away until these issues are resolved.   Science is ultimately a self-correcting process, but with a major international treaty and far-reaching domestic legislation on the table, the stakes couldn’t be higher.

The Changing Nature of Skepticism about Global Warming

Over the last few months, I have been trying to understand how this insane environment for climate research developed.  In my informal investigations, I have been listening to the perspectives of a broad range of people that have been labeled as “skeptics” or even “deniers”.  I have come to understand that global warming skepticism is very different now than it was five years ago.  Here is my take on how global warming skepticism has evolved over the past several decades.

In the 1980’s, James Hansen and Steven Schneider led the charge in informing the public of the risks of potential anthropogenic climate change.  Sir John Houghton and Bert Bolin played similar roles in Europe.  This charge was embraced by the environmental advocacy groups, and global warming alarmism was born.  During this period I would say that many if not most researchers, including myself, were skeptical that global warming was detectable in the temperature record and that it would have dire consequences.  The traditional foes of the environmental movement worked to counter the alarmism of the environmental movement, but this was mostly a war between advocacy groups and not an issue that had taken hold in the mainstream media and the public consciousness.  In the first few years of the 21st century, the stakes became higher and we saw the birth of what some have called a “monolithic climate denial machine”.  Skeptical research published by academics provided fodder for the think tanks and advocacy groups, which were fed by money provided by the oil industry. This was all amplified by talk radio and cable news.

In 2006 and 2007, things changed as a result of Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth” plus the IPCC 4th Assessment Report, and global warming became a seemingly unstoppable juggernaut.  The reason that the IPCC 4th Assessment Report was so influential is that people trusted the process the IPCC described:  participation of a thousand scientists from 100 different countries, who worked for several years to produce 3000 pages with thousands of peer reviewed scientific references, with extensive peer review.  Further, the process was undertaken with the participation of policy makers under the watchful eyes of advocacy groups with a broad range of conflicting interests.   As a result of the IPCC influence, scientific skepticism by academic researchers became vastly diminished and it became easier to embellish the IPCC findings rather than to buck the juggernaut.  Big oil funding for contrary views mostly dried up and the mainstream media supported the IPCC consensus. But there was a new movement in the blogosphere, which I refer to as the “climate auditors”, started by Steve McIntyre.  The climate change establishment failed to understand this changing dynamic, and continued to blame skepticism on the denial machine funded by big oil.

Climate Auditors and the Blogosphere

Steve McIntyre started the blog climateaudit.org so that he could defend himself against claims being made at the blog realclimate.org with regards to his critique of the “hockey stick” since he was unable to post his comments there.  Climateaudit has focused on auditing topics related to the paleoclimate reconstructions over the past millennia (in particular the so called “hockey stick”) and also the software being used by climate researchers to fix data problems due to poor quality surface weather stations in the historical climate data record. McIntyre’s “auditing” became very popular not only with the skeptics, but also with the progressive “open source” community, and there are now a number of such blogs.  The blog with the largest public audience is wattsupwiththat.com, led by weatherman Anthony Watts, with over 2 million unique visitors each month.

So who are the climate auditors?  They are technically educated people, mostly outside of academia.  Several individuals have developed substantial expertise in aspects of climate science, although they mainly audit rather than produce original scientific research. They tend to be watchdogs rather than deniers; many of them classify themselves as “lukewarmers”. They are independent of oil industry influence.  They have found a collective voice in the blogosphere and their posts are often picked up by the mainstream media. They are demanding greater accountability and transparency of climate research and assessment reports.

So what motivated their FOIA requests of the CRU at the University of East Anglia?  Last weekend, I was part of a discussion on this issue at the Blackboard.  Among the participants in this discussion was Steven Mosher, who broke the climategate story and has already written a book on it here. They are concerned about inadvertent introduction of bias into the CRU temperature data by having the same people who create the dataset use the dataset in research and in verifying climate models; this concern applies to both NASA GISS and the connection between CRU and the Hadley Centre. This concern is exacerbated by the choice of James Hansen at NASA GISS to become a policy advocate, and his forecasts of forthcoming “warmest years.”  Medical research has long been concerned with the introduction of such bias, which is why they conduct double blind studies when testing the efficacy of a medical treatment. Any such bias could be checked by independent analyses of the data; however, people outside the inner circle were unable to obtain access to the information required to link the raw data to the final analyzed product.  Further, creation of the surface data sets was treated like a research project, with no emphasis on data quality analysis, and there was no independent oversight.  Given the importance of these data sets both to scientific research and public policy, they feel that greater public accountability is required.

So why do the mainstream climate researchers have such a problem with the climate auditors? The scientists involved in the CRU emails seem to regard Steve McIntyre as their arch-nemesis (Roger Pielke Jr’s term). Steve McIntyre’s early critiques of the hockey stick were dismissed and he was characterized as a shill for the oil industry.   Academic/blogospheric guerilla warfare ensued, as the academic researchers tried to prevent access of the climate auditors to publishing in scientific journals and presenting their work at professional conferences, and tried to deny them access to published research data and computer programs. The bloggers countered with highly critical posts in the blogosphere and FOIA requests.  And climategate was the result.

So how did this group of bloggers succeed in bringing the climate establishment to its knees (whether or not the climate establishment realizes yet that this has happened)?  Again, trust plays a big role; it was pretty easy to follow the money trail associated with the “denial machine”.  On the other hand, the climate auditors have no apparent political agenda,

are doing this work for free, and have been playing a watchdog role, which has engendered the trust of a large segment of the population.

Towards Rebuilding Trust

Rebuilding trust with the public on the subject of climate research starts with Ralph Cicerone’s statement “Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.”   Much has been written about the need for greater transparency, reforms to peer review, etc. and I am hopeful that the relevant institutions will respond appropriately.  Investigations of misconduct are being conducted at the University of East Anglia and at Penn State.  Here I would like to bring up some broader issues that will require substantial reflection by the institutions and also by individual scientists.

Climate research and its institutions have not yet adapted to its high policy relevance.  How scientists can most effectively and appropriately engage with the policy process is a topic that has not been adequately discussed (e.g. the “honest broker” challenge discussed by Roger Pielke Jr), and climate researchers are poorly informed in this regard.  The result has been reflexive support for the UNFCCC policy agenda (e.g. carbon cap and trade) by many climate researchers that are involved in the public debate (particularly those involved in the IPCC), which they believe follows logically from the findings of the (allegedly policy neutral) IPCC. The often misinformed policy advocacy by this group of climate scientists has played a role in the political polarization of this issue.. The interface between science and policy is a muddy issue, but it is very important that scientists have guidance in navigating the potential pitfalls.  Improving this situation could help defuse the hostile environment that scientists involved in the public debate have to deal with, and would also help restore the public trust of climate scientists.

The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC is often blamed on difficulties of communicating such a complex topic to a relatively uneducated public that is referred to as “unscientific America” by Chris Mooney.  Efforts are made to “dumb down” the message and to frame the message to respond to issues that are salient to the audience.   People have heard the alarm, but they remain unconvinced because of a perceived political agenda and lack of trust of the message and the messengers. At the same time, there is a large group of educated and evidence driven people (e.g. the libertarians, people that read the technical skeptic blogs, not to mention policy makers) who want to understand the risk and uncertainties associated with climate change, without being told what kinds of policies they should be supporting. More effective communication strategies can be devised by recognizing that there are two groups with different levels of base knowledge about the topic.  But building trust through public communication on this topic requires that uncertainty be acknowledged.  My own experience in making public presentations about climate change has found that discussing the uncertainties increases the public trust in what scientists are trying to convey and doesn’t detract from the receptivity to understanding climate change risks (they distrust alarmism). Trust can also be rebuilt by  discussing broad choices rather than focusing on specific policies.

And finally, the blogosphere can be a very powerful tool for increasing the credibility of climate research.  “Dueling blogs”  (e.g. climateprogress.org versus wattsupwiththat.com and realclimate.org versus climateaudit.org) can actually enhance public trust in the science as they see both sides of the arguments being discussed.  Debating science with skeptics should be the spice of academic life, but many climate researchers lost this somehow by mistakenly thinking that skeptical arguments would diminish the public trust in the message coming from the climate research establishment.   Such debate is alive and well in the blogosphere, but few mainstream climate researchers participate in the blogospheric debate.  The climate researchers at realclimate.org were the pioneers in this, and other academic climate researchers hosting blogs include Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke Sr and Jr, Richard Rood, and Andrew Dessler. The blogs that are most effective are those that allow comments from both sides of the debate (many blogs are heavily moderated).  While the blogosphere has a “wild west” aspect to it, I have certainly learned a lot by participating in the blogospheric debate including how to sharpen my thinking and improve the rhetoric of my arguments. Additional scientific voices entering the public debate particularly in the blogosphere would help in the broader communication efforts and in rebuilding trust. And we need to acknowledge the emerging auditing and open source movements in the in the internet-enabled world, and put them to productive use.  The openness and democratization of knowledge enabled by the internet can be a tremendous tool for building public understanding of climate science and also trust in climate research.

No one really believes that the “science is settled” or that “the debate is over.”  Scientists and others that say this seem to want to advance a particular agenda.  There is nothing more detrimental to public trust than such statements.

And finally, I hope that this blogospheric experiment will demonstrate how the diversity of the different blogs can be used collectively to generate ideas and debate them, towards bringing some sanity to this whole situation surrounding the politicization of climate science and rebuilding trust with the public.

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John Gill
February 25, 2010 5:06 am

Ho hum, we’ve seen all this before: alchemy, astrology, homeopathy and now so-called climate science. When will the world understand that just because large numbers of apparently learned people pursue a certain belief, it doesn’t make them right? They can still be wrong, very wrong, but no matter what evidence of their error is put in front of them, they will continue to believe. By her own definition, I am one of Judith’s deniers and I’m happy to be recognised as such.

February 25, 2010 5:08 am

Hear, Hear. I also like Willis! I am still waiting for anyone to come to me with the scientific evidence (tests) that would prove to me that the odd 70 ppm’s of CO2 that were added to the atmosphere since 1960 are a cause for global warming. I did try everyone, everywhere, including the IPCC and Al Gore, who claimed to have this evidence…..In the process I also determined that I was censored at the Naked scientists and Skeptical science. Now I hear from Willis about simialr censorhip at RealClimate. Nevermind Joe Romm, Spencer Weart, Hansen and all those other so-called “eperts” who chased me away. Surely, it seems to me there is some kind of massive worldwide conspiracy against anyone questioning the “going” AGW view.
And all I did is asking for the relevant test results from actual experiments………
I only started my quest in November 2009. A lot has happened since but I doubt very much if things have changed much on the mentioned sites. I think I was lucky that I found WUWT…..

Phil Jourdan
February 25, 2010 5:09 am

@geo (17:14:56) :
My wording was poor. The “they” I was trying to make the point of was not all who believe in AGW, but those with the vested interest (read: money). Which is the (at this time) controlling bodies (IPCC, CRU, Mann, NASA, etc.). Basically those who are shoving AR4 and the Mann/Briffa Hockey stick on the world and attempting to stiffle dissent. Instead of qualifying the “they”, I lazily used the pronoun.
Yes, clearly if we look at an “us vs them” mentality of Skeptics versus proponents, it is wrong to make any generalizations about either group. But I stand by my statement that the ones who want to “reach out and include” those from the skeptic side are not doing it for altruistic reasons, but for purely propaganda purposes. So those that have been stiffling skeptics in the past can then say they tried, but were rejected.

AGW-Skeptic
February 25, 2010 5:51 am

Quotes from the story followed by my comments.
“The scientists involved in the CRU emails and the IPCC have been defended as scientists with the best of intentions trying to do their work in a very difficult environment.”
What “very difficult environment” are you talking about? They’re supposed to collect and analyze data and then report their findings. This is what they have chosen as their career. They are not toiling at the grindstone, working in a mine or steel mill, performing life-saving surgery, repairing downed powerlines in sub-zero temperatures or thousands of other “difficult environment” jobs.
“Much has been said about the role of the highly politicized environment in providing an extremely difficult environment in which to conduct science that produces a lot of stress for the scientists.”
The “stress” these scientists are experiencing is not about science at all. It is the lack of transparency and unwillingness to provide data or openly debate the issues that is the root cause of this stress. The stress is self-generated by their own actions (or lack thereof).
“There is no question that this environment is not conducive to science and scientists need more support from their institutions in dealing with it.”
They’ve created this environment and their institutions have supported them in erecting the walls of protection to inhibit open debate and thwart FOIA requests. The institutions and scientists priorities have turned away from the science and towards the money. Science has taken a back seat to the dollar.
“They tend to be watchdogs rather than deniers; many of them classify themselves as “lukewarmers”.”
Why do AGW proponents continue to use the term “deniers” rather skeptics? The denier label, within the scientific community and media, is code for “the science is settled” and you are a wack-job if you disagree. Denier is a derogatory term that should be removed from the debate.
“The result has been reflexive support for the UNFCCC policy agenda (e.g. carbon cap and trade) by many climate researchers that are involved in the public debate (particularly those involved in the IPCC), which they believe follows logically from the findings of the (allegedly policy neutral) IPCC. The often misinformed policy advocacy by this group of climate scientists has played a role in the political polarization of this issue.”
Scientists cannot give the politicians the guns and ammo and then be perplexed when they begin shooting. The polarization began by suppressing dissenting viewpoints and attacking critics.
“The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC is often blamed on difficulties of communicating such a complex topic to a relatively uneducated public that is referred to as “unscientific America” by Chris Mooney. Efforts are made to “dumb down” the message and to frame the message to respond to issues that are salient to the audience.”
The “truth” in the IPCC reports is a belief akin to the “science is settled” statement. Scientists generally think the rest of us are inferior thinkers and not able to grasp the issues. They do so at their own peril.

geo
February 25, 2010 6:01 am

@J.Peden (00:32:54) :
How many contributions from Dr. Curry are found in the Climategate emails?
The main complaint I’m hearing about Dr. Curry’s contribution here is that she didn’t go nearly far enough in acknowledging the righteous complaints the skeptic community has about its champions being vililfied and dismissed as rank amateurs and shills.
Well, history doesn’t work that way. Only in Hollywood movies do you get that kind of wholesale conversion all at once. Real history (I’m “semi-pro” there, having been published in the peerreviewedlitchurcher) is a conversation and process that takes place over time. But it has to start somewhere, and proceed a bit at a time.
Dr. Curry’s post strikes me as a useful milestone in that process, particularly in those areas where she is clearly appealing to her colleagues in the scientific community to not only change their recognition of what they are “really” looking at here in regards to people like Anthony and Steve, but also in the actual scientific usefullness of sharing data and methods and leveraging the “distributed computing” model.
Said another way, I don’t find it useful to focus on what you don’t like about that piece at the expense of not recognizing what you should like about that piece. Jack Kennedy once stopped a rush to WWIII with that strategy.

Henry chance
February 25, 2010 6:28 am

Paul Brassey (21:15:12) h/t
CFAN at Georgia Tech hustles BIG OIL
Several pics of drilling rigs bringing up pollution in a barrel.
Sales pitch:
“Hurricane forecasts for the petroleum industry CFAN responded to the need of a client in the petroleum industry for hurricane forecasts in the Gulf of Mexico that provided greater accuracy and longer lead times than those currently available in the market. CFAN’s extended hurricane forecasts are being used by the client to anticipate disruptions to energy supply and their impact on energy markets, and to anticipate disruptions to drilling, refining, and transport activities. A sophisticated web based decision support system for the client was developed that serves the needs of both the staff meteorologists and broader user group, which required translating the forecasts into meaningful outputs and language to meet a range of specific decision needs. CFAN’s hurricane forecasting method has consistently predicted the hurricane formation in the North Atlantic 3-7 days in advance, with tracks accurate (within 100 miles) out to 7 days. During the 2008 season, with Hurricanes Ike and Gustav having major impacts on the production region in the Gulf of Mexico, CFAN’s forecasts were also used for operations and emergency management.”
http://cfan.eas.gatech.edu/cfansolutions.html

Spector
February 25, 2010 6:43 am

RE: Willis Eschenbach (13:50:31) : “You want trust? Do good science, and publicly insist that other climate scientists do good science as well. It’s that simple.”
Yes, that *is* the basic bottom-line requirement to restore trust. I believe we need incontrovertible evidence that real impartial research is being performed. Unfortunately, as it now stands, anything produced by the IPCC or affiliates is likely to be regarded as fruit from a poisoned tree. I now cringe whenever I hear or see news proclaiming some new dangerous manifestation of ‘Global Warming’ such as the recent record snow storms.

Sgt. Joe Friday
February 25, 2010 6:52 am

Just the facts, ma’am.

Pascvaks
February 25, 2010 7:08 am

Dr Curry: Welcome to the world of doubt. We all have our own basis for questioning the “Climate Change” reports, and the people and agencies responsible for writing, reviewing, publishing them. Welcome to the real world and the fight for truth.
______________________
Commenters: The Doctor is undertaking her own search for the truth. Your feedback may or may not be taken and included in her work. Regardless, she is apparently one of us if what she has said is truly genuine and not a ploy to intice us into a web. Time will tell. She can do the most good for truth and reason among her contemporaries. Let’s see what she does.

HankHenry
February 25, 2010 7:08 am

Dr. Curry
“The climate researchers at realclimate.org were the pioneers in this”
My understanding of the history of the blogs is that realclimate came about after, and in reaction to, climateaudit. I don’t regard it as a place where debate occurs. It’s a place where a particular point of view is promulgated, and any commentary that is “off message” is silently deleted. Dr. Curry should try a little experiment: adopt an avatar identity and post a comment at realclimate that is mildly skeptical or post a question with skeptical undertones. I am sure that most people at this blog will affirm that realclimate’s approach to dissenting, questioning commentary is very dismissive, high handed, and censorious. Realclimate is a place to go if you want to hear people tell you that the whole question of climate temperature is settled and it’s pointless to even entertain the idea that climate is anything but very well understood by experts in the field. It is decidedly not a place to go to learn anything about uncertainties in climate science.

Indiana Bones
February 25, 2010 7:32 am

For the Record:
“I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Monolithic Climate Denial Machine.”

Craig Goodrich
February 25, 2010 7:34 am

It will be utterly impossible to restore any public faith whatever in the IPCC, CRU, GISS, or the like. If they had simply falsified data and blackmailed journal editors, that would be one thing. But they have promulgated, loudly and continuously, thoroughly false and corrupt ideas about the nature of Science itself. This is an unforgivable sin.
Consider, for example, the continual caterwauling about “peer review.” Now, “peer review” as currently practiced has nothing whatever to do with science; it’s a convenience for journal editors, and one might find the same process at a journal concerned with 19th century Italian literature. “Peer review” is important to science only in the sense of reproducibility, which requires complete openness of data, methods, and results. This latter has been consistently withheld by the alarmist cabal.
Again, the constant ad-hominem funding accusations. But it makes no difference whatever whether a given study was funded by an organization that does enormous good for humanity every morning before breakfast, such as Exxon-Mobil, or has been a force for oppression since its founding, such as Greenpeace: all that matters is whether the study conforms to the scientific canons of objectivity, openness, and reproducibility, so that we can independently verify or disprove its conclusions.
For more than two decades, we have watched science — which has in the last centuries enabled essentially all human progress — being destroyed. What could possibly restore our faith in the wretches who did it?

Dillon Allen
February 25, 2010 7:40 am

Anthony,
I think Dr. Curry uses “denier” and “denialist” more objectively and necessarily to describe the past than any other use of the words I’ve seen since the leak in November. I was expecting a more biased piece than I read from your lead in. Clearly, you’re close to this issue and have been fighting the fight for longer than most. However, I think she gets a pass on this one and did a pretty good job explaining the way this rancor came about.
Dr. Curry,
I would like to thank you for providing your opinion and drawing the lines from past to present that, for me, explain why the Joe Romm-types (climateprogress) continue to spew attacks about big business bogeymen funding the current AGW skeptical crowd. I was in grade school in the 80s and early 90s, so I wasn’t well-versed in policy debates then. So the seemingly baseless jabs from the AGW >advocates< fall flat for me. Your explanation of how their advocacy grew up cleared it up for me a bit – they're "fighting the last war". As senior military officers will tell you, this won't often win the day. If you are "fighting" a new group who, instead of jabbing at you with baseless claims that nothing is wrong with the climate) lets you jab them and then mocks you for how innacurate the jab is, the tactics must change to a more open debate. I sincerely hope that there are many more scientists like you in the fields that study our climate who are "warming" to the revitalization of the debate between all sides of this science.
– Thanks… from a former skeptical warmer convinced by the sell, who lost faith and started asking my own questions, still believes the climate is changing, but is now proud denier of AGW until someone proves it to me.

Marvin
February 25, 2010 7:50 am

REPLY: Not right now. we have paper in the works. Bear in mind this article is based on pilfered data from early in the study at 43% surveyed. We are now over 87% and have finished our analysis, which looks a lot different than this pot shot – A
Thanks Anthony as always I admire your work. I look forward to your report detailing the results. I really hope as you are implying the results are as suspected causing an upward microsite bias and disproves what was big points for the AGW crowd calling us deniers rather than at the very minimum.. skeptics.

VS
February 25, 2010 8:28 am

Luboš Motl (08:16:29) and Willis Eschenbach (13:50:31) pretty much summarized the rational anger that anyone devoting his or her life to science should be feeling at this moment.
Thank you both. It was a pleasure reading your contributions.
As for Dr. Curry, while your effort should definitely be applauded, I cannot bring myself to do so, for a very simple reason: too little, too late.
My apologies, but blood has soiled the ground. The arrogance of the climate science community, together with your tacit approval of the smear campaigns initiated by your rabid attack dogs against differently minded colleagues is simply disgusting. Too many careers have been destroyed so that you can be in the spotlight.
Which is why, I now simply have no ears for “Wir haben es nicht gewusst”, and no eyes for olive branches.
I’m sorry, but you and your discipline got what you had coming.
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Perhaps ‘real’ climate science could go back to the drawing board and develop a proper methodology (!) first, before educating anybody on anything.
My quite recent study of the use of parametric statistics to time series modeling within the frame of climate science to has left me stunned. Apparently, when statistical testing outcomes disagree with a hypothesis (model), it is testing procedures which are rejected. These (statistically rejected) estimates are then fed into (separately estimated!) models, and the what-if-when projections commence, as if nothing is wrong.
When I started reading these publications, I expected to find irregularities in the procedures employed (I was skeptical of such ‘strong’ conclusions, being drawn from one sample realization. In economics that’s unheard of.), but I never expected this kind of travesties. As of now climate science peer-review has no value in my eyes, in any case as far as it relates to statistics. There seems to be absolutely no methodological agreement in this discipline.
Let me put it very clearly, for every ‘real’ climate scientist out there: you are not doing *science*, if science is defined as an experimental discipline (e.g. physics, chemistry, etc.). Your field is non-experimental, just like your models, and I suggest you start acknowledging that.
I also suggest that you start by reading up on the methodology of economics, a discipline facing many of the limitations your discipline faces (e.g. non-experimental observations, hyper-complex system, limited number of sample realizations, etc). Read e.g. Mark Blaug (1980, rev. 2006).
Also and just for the hell of it, since you all have obviously skipped a few paragraphs in doing so the first time around, you might want to re-read Popper, Kuhn and Lakatos.
Especially Kuhn … judging by all the symptoms, we are very close to what he would refer to as a ‘scientific revolution’ or ‘paradigm shift’.
See you on the other side.

February 25, 2010 8:58 am

Marvin (07:50:38) :
REPLY: Not right now. we have paper in the works. Bear in mind this article is based on pilfered data from early in the study at 43% surveyed. We are now over 87% and have finished our analysis, which looks a lot different than this pot shot – A
Thanks Anthony as always I admire your work. I look forward to your report detailing the results. I really hope as you are implying the results are as suspected causing an upward microsite bias and disproves what was big points for the AGW crowd calling us deniers rather than at the very minimum.. skeptics.

Marvin,
Roger Pielke Sr. partially responded to this paper here.

Frank Scammell
February 25, 2010 9:12 am

Dr. Curry:
I have read (and re-read) your stalwart defense of the AGW establishment. I had a nagging feeling that something was missing. I have also read Willis Eschenbach response (which I find far more satisfying. I agree with almost all of his points) I have decided that what is missing is a sense of ethical behavior. Most scientists are aware of right and wrong. No-this is not about religion, it’s about doing the right thing, even when it is deleterious to your argument. Michael Mann has known for a long time that his “hockeystick” was incredibly misleading and scientifically wrong-yes, wrong-and has never shown the slightest remorse. He knew that the establishment would, at least, keep quiet.No one in the establishment would speak up because it involved money- far more important than ethics or moral behavior. Everything a shade of gray, no black and white. I suppose that someone will rationalize shooting your compatriots when you don’t get tenure. I could go on in this vein with numerous other examples. Let’s just leave it with-you will never regain public trust (especially with the cosmetic patches you suggest) until the so-called “scientists” admit their misbehavior and very publicly correct them. It’s going to take a long while before the public will trust people who have knowingly conned the public for so long.

A C Osborn
February 25, 2010 9:16 am

David Wells (01:44:11) :
I am surprised this got past the Mods.
[Reply: it is only an opinion, not an endorsement, of the writer. ~dbs, mod]

Histograd
February 25, 2010 9:34 am

Dear Dr. Curry,
First, I would like thank you for your open letter in which you discuss the history of the “non-debate” that has taken place over the hypothesis of Anthropomorphic Global Warming; or, more accurately, what is today known Anthropomorphic Global Climate Change.
Secondly, possibly the greatest gifts I received from attending a true liberal arts university is that no matter the major field of study that one chooses, there is the requirement of taking a minimum number of credit hours in the humanities, arts, social sciences, and physical science. When I say physical science I include biology, geology, botany, chemistry, and yes physics. I know you will break them down into their proper categories such as life science, earth science, astrophysics… etc…etc; however with the population density of university educated individuals in the United States, as well as the rest of the World, most of the language used in the dissemination of the so-called science of climate change through the arteries of disinformation, or should I just say the “mainstream media,” only help to make the situation more explosive.
Mainstream media outlets are mainly watched or listened to by highly partisan groups of like minded individuals. One point you made very clear in your “letter” was that the blogosphere was populated by a great many educated “independents,” I believe you that is where you hit the nail on the head. The greatest gift that Mr. Gore’s little invention… the internet (sarcasm), has done is to give a voice to the great masses in the middle. The answer of our forefathers’ prayers, of equal rights for all, is closer than ever to being reality. This is due in no small part, to the availability of information on a grand scale, made possible by the blogosphere. This available information which, as a professional historian I should know, has greatly reduced the amount of time and effort needed to research bits of information that may be contrary to our own beliefs or experiences. This affords us the ability to use our intellect on a great number of interests at once.
When it came down to making a decision on what major I would choose, I had a difficult time choosing between the logic science offers and the narrative that history helps you to imagine and relive. The interaction between individuals and groups eventually led me to History as my chosen profession. The two professions my never admit it; however they have both benefited from one another. Where Aristotle may have been the father of systematic scientific study, he was adapting the procedures of collecting data established by the historian Herodotus.
Lastly, what I am trying to convey to you is that times have changed, we no longer live in “olden times” and that today the vast majority of the people in the U.S. and the western world, are now literate. Literate in verities of ways in which the so called scientific elitists use their views and their rhetoric maliciously in order to quail dissention. They use both the spoken and written word in a manner in such a way as to defend ones position; additionally they use the same language and prose to persecute as well as to belittle the individual and belay his/her arguments. Consequently, they do this to anyone who didn’t happen to attend and graduate from the same program as they may have or for that matter anyone who doesn’t hang a degree on the wall that happens to read as anything other than a PhD in Climate Science.

Bob Kutz
February 25, 2010 9:55 am

Judith,
I can assure you, I’ve never been funded by big oil.
All it would take for my faith to be restored is this;
1) Prove, from scratch, that global surface T is increasing. Document any and all data ‘adjustments’ such as TOBS and UHI, and share them, along with all source data and methodology. At current time, the data set as it exists is too suspect for science, having been in the custody of advocates with an agenda rather than scientists seeking the truth.
2) Prove what percent of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic. I think this is actually fairly well established science, but if we’re going to prove something, we need to prove it all, even if it’s just citing the correct peer reviewed paper. Oh, and if the peer reviewed paper doesn’t have all data and methodology available; start from scratch and be sure to share!
3) Prove what part of global warming came from CO2, and what part came from natural variance, including PDO, AMDO, ENSO, Solar Cycle, Milankovitch cycles, volcanism, feed back effects, etc, and produce a model that actually works within a reasonable confidence interval. Again; share all data and methodology!
Finally; (the easy part) split out the anthropogenic CO2 warming from the natural CO2 warming, and you’re done! (Again; share your data and methodology.)
It’s just that simple. Until you do; you’re wrong. Call me a skeptic.
Bob Kutz
Oskaloosa, IA

Alan F
February 25, 2010 11:04 am

hotrod ( Larry L ) ,
For me it was the software models. I still have the first bit of f77 fluff I wrote 25 years ago. Not a chance anyone coding tosses away anything important or the hardware to access it if they haven’t changed media, we’re natural pack rats.

Hank Hancock
February 25, 2010 12:16 pm

Dr. Curry,
For the record, I am an AJOG journal published medical research scientist working in the field of perinatology. I am experienced with the institutional and peer review process and versed in the edicts of how proper research is conducted. I am skeptical of the AGW theory and even more skeptical of the abysmal science that has thus far promulgated it. I find the slipshod work of many of the forefront climate scientists reprehensible beyond any reasonable excuse.
To be fair, there have been hallmark medical research studies that have been exposed as outright fraud. They are now presented in university as case examples of what bad research looks like. They all have several things in common. The authors massaged or falsified the data, employed dubious methods to bias the outcome, had visions of grandeur (or personal gain) and were antagonistic and obstructionistic towards critical inquiry of their work. Now, where have we seen those behaviors common place?… Oh yes, climate research.
I have difficulty with your attempt to reframe the issues as being a bunch of misunderstood scientists that have realized they need to more clearly communicate to the skeptical public. The crux of the climate science crisis is scientists abandoned the core tenants of science. They were corrupted by politics, agenda, status, deep well of public grant money, and personal gain. This isn’t something you talk through. It is something you fix through exposing the wrongdoers professionally and personally. Until that process is carried out, talk is cheap and the public will remain rightfully distrustful of anything that comes from the current cast of characters.

David Alan Evans
February 25, 2010 12:25 pm

Rhoda R (12:33:27) :

I agree with Anthony – the term “denier” should be deep-sixed. Some people have posited the use of “skeptic” in its place but I disagree – “skeptic” implies potential disagreement with a scientific hypothesis and the AGW assurtions so far have failed to meet the definitions of science. I suggest instead that we refer to ourselves as “heretics” thus placing AGW (Al Gore Warming) into its proper context.

I like that Rhoda, for the exact same reasons I like Dr. Lindzen’s easy acceptance of denier. His reasoning being that to be sceptical, they have to have a viable hypothesis to start with.
DaveE.

John from CA
February 25, 2010 2:31 pm

Thanks for posting Dr. Curry,
I’m about as close to “John Q. Public” as you’re likely to find and the issue for me are fairly obvious.
You are not taking your audience seriously when we seek information related to climate models and are instructed that its simply too complicated to explain and to present online.
We seek hard facts to support the wild claims of the IPCC reports and find an unending stream of internet posts from Scientists pointing out the obvious flaws in the logic.
As we search, we encounter contradictory studies from the UN’s own research groups saying the opposite of the IPCC conclusions.
And, we are constantly bombarded with comments from lame duck politicians and unqualified business characters claiming we should shell out to stave off or hide from a pending worldwide disaster.
The reports, the facts, and the exaggerated claims do nothing but support a complete lack of credibility for Climate Science and convince us that you have been “bought”.
Can Trust Be Rebuilt?
I really hope so, these wild claims are influencing our children and encouraging them to dismiss Scientific pursuits and amazing Institutions like NASA and NOAA.
If the claims have any validity, why didn’t you approach the definition and resolution of the situation in an open worldwide way?
Why is the data locked up when it should have been evaluated in the most efficient way via nearly every University in the world and tested under a shared model?

David Alan Evans
February 25, 2010 3:05 pm

Britannic no-see-um (14:39:19) :
As far as I can see, (and I’m associated in no way to big oil), they need to know the way of the climate to project future production & sales & therefore their funding is essential to unbiased reporting of the same. It’s only their current need, (& greed?) to climb on the AGW bandwagon that has diverted them from trying to report the truth.
DaveE.

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