On the Credibility of Climate Research, Part II: Towards Rebuilding Trust

Foreword – Below is  a guest post (by request) from Dr. Judith Curry on the issues we deal with every day here. While I and other like minded bloggers were given the opportunity to have some early input into this, little of it was accepted. This I think puts it off to a bad start in light of the title. One of my issues was that it wasn’t necessary to use the word “deniers”, which I think removal of is central to any discourse that includes a goal of “rebuilding trust”. There’s also other more technical issues related to current investigations that are not addressed here.

I had made my concerns known to Dr. Curry before in this post: The Curry letter: a word about “deniers”… which is worth re-reading again.

To be frank, given that she’s still using the term even when pointed out, and had deferred other valid suggestions from other skeptics, I’d given serious consideration to not carrying this at all. But I had carried Dr. Curry’s original post (at my request) on 11/27/09, just seven days after the Climategate story broke here at WUWT on 11/20/09:

An open letter from Dr. Judith Curry on climate science

Since I had carried that one at my request to Dr. Curry, I decided it only fair that I’d carry this one she offered, but with the above caveat. Further, as Andrew Revkin pointed out yesterday, WUWT is now by far the most trafficked climate blog in the world. With that comes a level of responsibility to broadly report the issues. Readers should give their opinion here, pulling no punches, but with one caveat: make the discourse respectful and without labels or inflammatory comments. – Anthony


Judith  Curry

Guest post by Judith Curry, Georgia Institute of Technology

I am trying something new, a blogospheric experiment, if you will.  I have been a fairly active participant in the blogosphere since 2006, and recently posted two essays on climategate, one at climateaudit.org and the other at climateprogress.org.  Both essays were subsequently picked up by other blogs, and the diversity of opinions expressed at the different blogs was quite interesting.  Hence I am distributing this essay to a number of different blogs simultaneously with the hope of demonstrating the collective power of the blogosphere to generate ideas and debate them.  I look forward to a stimulating discussion on this important topic.

Losing the Public’s Trust

Climategate has now become broadened in scope to extend beyond the CRU emails to include glaciergate and a host of other issues associated with the IPCC. In responding to climategate, the climate research establishment has appealed to its own authority and failed to understand that climategate is primarily a crisis of trust.  Finally, we have an editorial published in Science on February 10 from Ralph Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Science, that begins to articulate the trust issue: “This view reflects the fragile nature of trust between science and society, demonstrating that the perceived misbehavior of even a few scientists can diminish the credibility of science as a whole. What needs to be done? Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.”  While I applaud loudly Dr. Cicerone’s statement, I wish it had been made earlier and had not been isolated from the public by publishing the statement behind paywall at Science. Unfortunately, the void of substantive statements from our institutions has been filled in ways that have made the situation much worse.

Credibility is a combination of expertise and trust.  While scientists persist in thinking that they should be trusted because of their expertise, climategate has made it clear that expertise itself is not a sufficient basis for public trust.  The fallout from climategate is much broader than the allegations of misconduct by scientists at two universities.   Of greatest importance is the reduced credibility of the IPCC assessment reports, which are providing the scientific basis for international policies on climate change.  Recent disclosures about the IPCC have brought up a host of concerns about the IPCC that had been festering in the background: involvement of IPCC scientists in explicit climate policy advocacy; tribalism that excluded skeptics; hubris of scientists with regards to a noble (Nobel) cause; alarmism; and inadequate attention to the statistics of uncertainty and the complexity of alternative interpretations.

The scientists involved in the CRU emails and the IPCC have been defended as scientists with the best of intentions trying to do their work in a very difficult environment.  They blame the alleged hacking incident on the “climate denial machine.”  They are described as fighting a valiant war to keep misinformation from the public that is being pushed by skeptics with links to the oil industry. They are focused on moving the science forward, rather than the janitorial work of record keeping, data archival, etc. They have had to adopt unconventional strategies to fight off what they thought was malicious interference. They defend their science based upon their years of experience and their expertise.

Scientists are claiming that the scientific content of the IPCC reports is not compromised by climategate.  The jury is still out on the specific fallout from climategate in terms of the historical and paleo temperature records.   There are larger concerns (raised by glaciergate, etc.) particularly with regards to the IPCC Assessment Report on Impacts (Working Group II):  has a combination of groupthink, political advocacy and a noble cause syndrome stifled scientific debate, slowed down scientific progress and corrupted the assessment process?  If institutions are doing their jobs, then misconduct by a few individual scientists should be quickly identified, and the impacts of the misconduct should be confined and quickly rectified.  Institutions need to look in the mirror and ask the question as to how they enabled this situation and what opportunities they missed to forestall such substantial loss of public trust in climate research and the major assessment reports.

In their misguided war against the skeptics, the CRU emails reveal that core research values became compromised.   Much has been said about the role of the highly politicized environment in providing an extremely difficult environment in which to conduct science that produces a lot of stress for the scientists.  There is no question that this environment is not conducive to science and scientists need more support from their institutions in dealing with it.  However, there is nothing in this crazy environment that is worth sacrificing your personal or professional integrity.  And when your science receives this kind of attention, it means that the science is really important to the public.  Therefore scientists need to do everything possible to make sure that they effectively communicate uncertainty, risk, probability and complexity, and provide a context that includes alternative and competing scientific viewpoints.  This is an important responsibility that individual scientists and particularly the institutions need to take very seriously.

Both individual scientists and the institutions need to look in the mirror and really understand how this happened.  Climategate isn’t going to go away until these issues are resolved.   Science is ultimately a self-correcting process, but with a major international treaty and far-reaching domestic legislation on the table, the stakes couldn’t be higher.

The Changing Nature of Skepticism about Global Warming

Over the last few months, I have been trying to understand how this insane environment for climate research developed.  In my informal investigations, I have been listening to the perspectives of a broad range of people that have been labeled as “skeptics” or even “deniers”.  I have come to understand that global warming skepticism is very different now than it was five years ago.  Here is my take on how global warming skepticism has evolved over the past several decades.

In the 1980’s, James Hansen and Steven Schneider led the charge in informing the public of the risks of potential anthropogenic climate change.  Sir John Houghton and Bert Bolin played similar roles in Europe.  This charge was embraced by the environmental advocacy groups, and global warming alarmism was born.  During this period I would say that many if not most researchers, including myself, were skeptical that global warming was detectable in the temperature record and that it would have dire consequences.  The traditional foes of the environmental movement worked to counter the alarmism of the environmental movement, but this was mostly a war between advocacy groups and not an issue that had taken hold in the mainstream media and the public consciousness.  In the first few years of the 21st century, the stakes became higher and we saw the birth of what some have called a “monolithic climate denial machine”.  Skeptical research published by academics provided fodder for the think tanks and advocacy groups, which were fed by money provided by the oil industry. This was all amplified by talk radio and cable news.

In 2006 and 2007, things changed as a result of Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth” plus the IPCC 4th Assessment Report, and global warming became a seemingly unstoppable juggernaut.  The reason that the IPCC 4th Assessment Report was so influential is that people trusted the process the IPCC described:  participation of a thousand scientists from 100 different countries, who worked for several years to produce 3000 pages with thousands of peer reviewed scientific references, with extensive peer review.  Further, the process was undertaken with the participation of policy makers under the watchful eyes of advocacy groups with a broad range of conflicting interests.   As a result of the IPCC influence, scientific skepticism by academic researchers became vastly diminished and it became easier to embellish the IPCC findings rather than to buck the juggernaut.  Big oil funding for contrary views mostly dried up and the mainstream media supported the IPCC consensus. But there was a new movement in the blogosphere, which I refer to as the “climate auditors”, started by Steve McIntyre.  The climate change establishment failed to understand this changing dynamic, and continued to blame skepticism on the denial machine funded by big oil.

Climate Auditors and the Blogosphere

Steve McIntyre started the blog climateaudit.org so that he could defend himself against claims being made at the blog realclimate.org with regards to his critique of the “hockey stick” since he was unable to post his comments there.  Climateaudit has focused on auditing topics related to the paleoclimate reconstructions over the past millennia (in particular the so called “hockey stick”) and also the software being used by climate researchers to fix data problems due to poor quality surface weather stations in the historical climate data record. McIntyre’s “auditing” became very popular not only with the skeptics, but also with the progressive “open source” community, and there are now a number of such blogs.  The blog with the largest public audience is wattsupwiththat.com, led by weatherman Anthony Watts, with over 2 million unique visitors each month.

So who are the climate auditors?  They are technically educated people, mostly outside of academia.  Several individuals have developed substantial expertise in aspects of climate science, although they mainly audit rather than produce original scientific research. They tend to be watchdogs rather than deniers; many of them classify themselves as “lukewarmers”. They are independent of oil industry influence.  They have found a collective voice in the blogosphere and their posts are often picked up by the mainstream media. They are demanding greater accountability and transparency of climate research and assessment reports.

So what motivated their FOIA requests of the CRU at the University of East Anglia?  Last weekend, I was part of a discussion on this issue at the Blackboard.  Among the participants in this discussion was Steven Mosher, who broke the climategate story and has already written a book on it here. They are concerned about inadvertent introduction of bias into the CRU temperature data by having the same people who create the dataset use the dataset in research and in verifying climate models; this concern applies to both NASA GISS and the connection between CRU and the Hadley Centre. This concern is exacerbated by the choice of James Hansen at NASA GISS to become a policy advocate, and his forecasts of forthcoming “warmest years.”  Medical research has long been concerned with the introduction of such bias, which is why they conduct double blind studies when testing the efficacy of a medical treatment. Any such bias could be checked by independent analyses of the data; however, people outside the inner circle were unable to obtain access to the information required to link the raw data to the final analyzed product.  Further, creation of the surface data sets was treated like a research project, with no emphasis on data quality analysis, and there was no independent oversight.  Given the importance of these data sets both to scientific research and public policy, they feel that greater public accountability is required.

So why do the mainstream climate researchers have such a problem with the climate auditors? The scientists involved in the CRU emails seem to regard Steve McIntyre as their arch-nemesis (Roger Pielke Jr’s term). Steve McIntyre’s early critiques of the hockey stick were dismissed and he was characterized as a shill for the oil industry.   Academic/blogospheric guerilla warfare ensued, as the academic researchers tried to prevent access of the climate auditors to publishing in scientific journals and presenting their work at professional conferences, and tried to deny them access to published research data and computer programs. The bloggers countered with highly critical posts in the blogosphere and FOIA requests.  And climategate was the result.

So how did this group of bloggers succeed in bringing the climate establishment to its knees (whether or not the climate establishment realizes yet that this has happened)?  Again, trust plays a big role; it was pretty easy to follow the money trail associated with the “denial machine”.  On the other hand, the climate auditors have no apparent political agenda,

are doing this work for free, and have been playing a watchdog role, which has engendered the trust of a large segment of the population.

Towards Rebuilding Trust

Rebuilding trust with the public on the subject of climate research starts with Ralph Cicerone’s statement “Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.”   Much has been written about the need for greater transparency, reforms to peer review, etc. and I am hopeful that the relevant institutions will respond appropriately.  Investigations of misconduct are being conducted at the University of East Anglia and at Penn State.  Here I would like to bring up some broader issues that will require substantial reflection by the institutions and also by individual scientists.

Climate research and its institutions have not yet adapted to its high policy relevance.  How scientists can most effectively and appropriately engage with the policy process is a topic that has not been adequately discussed (e.g. the “honest broker” challenge discussed by Roger Pielke Jr), and climate researchers are poorly informed in this regard.  The result has been reflexive support for the UNFCCC policy agenda (e.g. carbon cap and trade) by many climate researchers that are involved in the public debate (particularly those involved in the IPCC), which they believe follows logically from the findings of the (allegedly policy neutral) IPCC. The often misinformed policy advocacy by this group of climate scientists has played a role in the political polarization of this issue.. The interface between science and policy is a muddy issue, but it is very important that scientists have guidance in navigating the potential pitfalls.  Improving this situation could help defuse the hostile environment that scientists involved in the public debate have to deal with, and would also help restore the public trust of climate scientists.

The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC is often blamed on difficulties of communicating such a complex topic to a relatively uneducated public that is referred to as “unscientific America” by Chris Mooney.  Efforts are made to “dumb down” the message and to frame the message to respond to issues that are salient to the audience.   People have heard the alarm, but they remain unconvinced because of a perceived political agenda and lack of trust of the message and the messengers. At the same time, there is a large group of educated and evidence driven people (e.g. the libertarians, people that read the technical skeptic blogs, not to mention policy makers) who want to understand the risk and uncertainties associated with climate change, without being told what kinds of policies they should be supporting. More effective communication strategies can be devised by recognizing that there are two groups with different levels of base knowledge about the topic.  But building trust through public communication on this topic requires that uncertainty be acknowledged.  My own experience in making public presentations about climate change has found that discussing the uncertainties increases the public trust in what scientists are trying to convey and doesn’t detract from the receptivity to understanding climate change risks (they distrust alarmism). Trust can also be rebuilt by  discussing broad choices rather than focusing on specific policies.

And finally, the blogosphere can be a very powerful tool for increasing the credibility of climate research.  “Dueling blogs”  (e.g. climateprogress.org versus wattsupwiththat.com and realclimate.org versus climateaudit.org) can actually enhance public trust in the science as they see both sides of the arguments being discussed.  Debating science with skeptics should be the spice of academic life, but many climate researchers lost this somehow by mistakenly thinking that skeptical arguments would diminish the public trust in the message coming from the climate research establishment.   Such debate is alive and well in the blogosphere, but few mainstream climate researchers participate in the blogospheric debate.  The climate researchers at realclimate.org were the pioneers in this, and other academic climate researchers hosting blogs include Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke Sr and Jr, Richard Rood, and Andrew Dessler. The blogs that are most effective are those that allow comments from both sides of the debate (many blogs are heavily moderated).  While the blogosphere has a “wild west” aspect to it, I have certainly learned a lot by participating in the blogospheric debate including how to sharpen my thinking and improve the rhetoric of my arguments. Additional scientific voices entering the public debate particularly in the blogosphere would help in the broader communication efforts and in rebuilding trust. And we need to acknowledge the emerging auditing and open source movements in the in the internet-enabled world, and put them to productive use.  The openness and democratization of knowledge enabled by the internet can be a tremendous tool for building public understanding of climate science and also trust in climate research.

No one really believes that the “science is settled” or that “the debate is over.”  Scientists and others that say this seem to want to advance a particular agenda.  There is nothing more detrimental to public trust than such statements.

And finally, I hope that this blogospheric experiment will demonstrate how the diversity of the different blogs can be used collectively to generate ideas and debate them, towards bringing some sanity to this whole situation surrounding the politicization of climate science and rebuilding trust with the public.

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February 24, 2010 8:23 pm

One of my issues was that it wasn’t necessary to use the word “deniers”, which I think removal of is central to any discourse that includes a goal of “rebuilding trust”.

Anthony — I think you’re overly sensitive here. Dr. Curry is not branding all AGW skeptics as “deniers”, but only those who uncritically deny every aspect of the argument. Even “denialist” would not necessarily connote a Holocaust denier, depending on how it is used, and Dr. Curry does not use this word at all.
That said, Willis’s 13:50:31 excellent comment definitely deserves a post of its own. You’ve already agreed (reply to Gary Hladik 16:14:59, Willis 18:06:56) to let him revise it, but personally I like it just as is!

Duncan
February 24, 2010 8:23 pm

Dr. Curry, your repeated misuse of the word “that” is irritating and distracting.

Henry chance
February 24, 2010 8:24 pm

500 posts.
This is really a bait thread by Judith
Here is a bait thread by Joe Romm. He tells us Tol and Pielke Jr are not scientists. Smears them, allows toll a few responses and then blocks his posts.
I say that to demonstrate Anthony runs a clean and fair operation.
http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/04/science-magazine-is-confused-who-is-a-prominent-climate-scientist/
Romm gets the last word by saying “I can’t continue letting you post falsehoods”
I wonder if Judith can step up and respond.

Allen
February 24, 2010 8:30 pm

For those who are concerned that the politicians are not listening, you should review political decisions regarding action on alleged CAGW since the leak of the emails. This sample comes off the top of my head, so I welcome corrections and additions:
– Australian Senate defeats ETS bill.
– Copenhagen fails to produce a treaty with all countries as signatories, much less a treaty with binding emissions targets. China and India have no obligations to reduce emissions.
– The U.S. government’s Cap and Trade bill is stalled; an industry lobby group has fallen apart with the withdrawal of major corporate backers
Notice that the politicians from the countries that matter in this war continue to be reticent about the screams for action from the CAGW lobby. These politicians are not ignoring the growing constituency that does not buy into the fraud that is based on corrupted research processes that do not deserve the name of Climate Science.
As the CAGW lobby unravels we must continue the fight in the blogosphere. It is here and in other websites that they saw the beginning of the end, and the increasing shrillness of the ad hominem attacks from the likes of Dr. Curry against the critics is like blood in the water.

HankHenry
February 24, 2010 8:31 pm

I’m not sure how big a part trust is supposed to play in science. Trust is something I reserve for professionals. Since when am I expected to place trust in a scientist? What the global warming/climate change thesis first needs to be is plausible. When I read as an interested layperson I don’t do it because I’m looking for someone I can place my trust in. Foremost, I am looking for writers who teach me something or who can convey some insight.
Honest data is so fundamental that I just consider it a given. Forget the explanations and excuses when it’s demonstrated not to be honest. Your wasting my time. Your wasting your time. If you want my attention show me you have something interesting to teach me. The idea that science has a firm grip on an understanding of the intricacies of climate has always been a large claim. Now it’s become a laughable claim foisted off by a defensive and unimaginative group with nothing deeper or more interesting to say than “the sky is falling.”

R. de Haan
February 24, 2010 8:34 pm

johnnythelowery (10:53:11) :
FOLLOW THE CASH
Thanks for posting this.
You sure have all the reasons in the world to feel sick and so should Dr Judith Curry.
I wonder if the excellent postings here have any influence on her point of view and the statements she has made in her publication here.
I am looking forward to hear her personal experience of this “experiment”.
Watts up with that?

February 24, 2010 8:36 pm

Doug S (18:35:46) :
Dr. Curry, I think you did a good job in reconstructing the time line of political and scientific consensus coming together to ignite the warming craze. I believe the nut jobs in the progressive political movement latched onto the CO2 warming theory, recognizing that it could be used to further their goals and the climate scientists unwittingly, in some cases, took them on as allies. Once this partnership became apparent to all of us “stupid ordinary taxpaying citizens, the dummies that pay for the data collection” it was only a matter of time before popular opinion turned against the elite scientists and progressives. I don’t think enough credit is given to the average potato farmer with a solid eight grade education; he may not be college educated but he can recognize a con game when he see one.

Which brought to mind this cartoon.

The key line is about 2:45 in, “You can’t fool me because I’m too stupid.” Or as Orwell preferred: “Some things are so stupid, only an intellectual could believe them.”

Spector
February 24, 2010 8:43 pm

I believe the best way to repair the lack of confidence is to do a thorough re-study of the real effect that carbon dioxide has on radiative transmission through the atmosphere as a whole and also that critical region in the stratosphere where all significant thermal transmission must be radiative.
To be effective, I believe any such study must be based on standard accepted physical principles and well documented properties of the atmosphere. It should be fully accessible for external review, study and comment.

TA
February 24, 2010 8:49 pm

I also would like to see the comment from Willis Eschenbach (13:50:31) become a full post on WUWT. It says it all.
The climatologists do not have an image problem or a communication problem. They have a substance problem and a science problem. The first step is to admit the problem. They still have not done the first step.

John Andrews
February 24, 2010 8:49 pm

Dr Curry omits the other side of the money issue. She claims that Big Oil is the money source for “Deniers” but does not discuss the effect of grants from governments that require evidence of global warming. From what I have read, the amount of money in global warming grants is vastly more that that of the skeptics or deniers.
One of the key issues that is so far unresolved is the 1998 book, “The Chilling Stars” by Henrik Svensmark and Nigel Calder. For me that is the turning point in the climate issue and I became a skeptic of the CO2 theory.
Otherwise, Dr. Curry, you are doing a great job of bring the discussion to the table of many more people who want intelligent discussion in depth of the issues. Thanks.
John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee

PhilBest
February 24, 2010 8:50 pm

The problem is not so much that “….this tabloid decimation of science comes at a time when we have a major national issue in terms of the number of people taking science at university….”; (as someone in “The Australian” argued on much the same basis as Judith Curry) it is that science is now being selected as a career by starry-eyed youngsters motivated not by scientific curiosity but by Utopian “change the world” ideals for which the vehicle of science has been politically hijacked.
John Jewkes’ book “The Sources of Invention”, describes how almost all of the most significant scientific breakthroughs have been made by independent geniuses who remained outside the establishment and indeed, had to overcome numerous obstacles presented by the establishment. Government funding of science, at considerable cost to taxpayers, has very little to show by comparison, and has led down a slippery slope to political agendas governing science, just as it did for decades in the former USSR.
The questions we should be asking now, are firstly, just how many Albert Einsteins have we been deprived of as a result of science being turned into a bureaucratic monolith by government funding; and how much more damage to humanity is politicized science going to do if we do not halt the bandwagon at this point, knowing what we now do about the predetermined political agenda and the money-go-round of global warming science?

Paul Brassey
February 24, 2010 8:51 pm

Not climate skeptics (I know there is a climate) but truth-seekers. The debate is not between scientists and skeptics, but between propagandists and truth-seekers.

February 24, 2010 8:53 pm

This has been one of the most interesting blog posts to read on WUWT – good work by all who have posted.
As of this posting – 504 posts on the blog; Compare that to 44 on Joe Romm’s response at climateprogress at the same time.
Link to the counter point
http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/24/my-response-to-dr-judith-currys-unconstructive-essay/#more-19878
….dont read it unless you want to raise your blood pressure significantly – evidently everyone who posts here are all a bunch of unscientific right wing crazies – and of course, the climateprogress folks deem that they are scientific & have no political bias (although they all take great pride in blasting any politics right of center & praise any politics left of center. hmmm…. sounds like they may be left of center ???). This goes back to my original post – Dr Curry, until you can dislodge climate science (both sides) from affiliation with politics (alarmism with the left, skeptics with the right), you have no chance of regaining trust in the science as both political sides inherently do not trust the other side.
In reality, it is a lost cause as it is too deeply rooted in politics already. In reality, the hope for true progress in climate science is dim. Probably time for a career move as it is only getting more political with time. Unfortunately, it is easy to see how this has come to be – with predominantly liberal academics allowing their personal politics filter into their research. At the end of the day, the academics collectively have ruined their own science, in this case, possibly irrevocably. They are reaping what they have sewed.
Back to the blogs, it seems at this point that the skeptics are out-posting the alarmists by over 10 to 1 on this issue. I am guessing this also is representative of what the general public thinks about climate alarmism.
It is interesting that neither side is too fond of Dr Curry’s posting. Again showing that this is purely about politics not science.

J.Hansford
February 24, 2010 9:00 pm

I feel Dr Curry still doesn’t “get it”….
AGW has been constructed and is a Political position in which the “science” has been purchased by environmental advocacy groups and Politicians to justify environmental policy… This is bourne out by “Climategate” and the IPCC’s various “Scandalgates”…. Not to mention the billions of miss-used taxpayer funds.
This process has been blatant and deliberate on part of the environmental groups and their Political supporters. The “climate skeptic” meme and the “Monolithic climate denial machine” are constructs by the AGW proponents, designed to present a victim/aggressor scenario to the unsuspecting population. The population are then subjected to the scare tactics of being destroyed by climate catastrophe while being victimized by “big oil” or “big business”(class enemies) who lie to people by using their sinister “skeptical movement”.
……. All Eco fascism. All lies. All catastrophic exaggerations designed for political effect and only for political effect… Propaganda terrorism if you like.(we’ve all seen the ads aimed at children. Animals commiting suicide, floods, drowning polar bears, etc. It is designed to terrorize children and the vulnerable).
Dr Curry also lets James Hansen off an activist hook with this statement. “In the 1980’s, James Hansen and Steven Schneider led the charge in informing the public of the risks of potential anthropogenic climate change.”….
What she failed to mention was that James Hansen contrived and exaggerated that AGW hypothesis right from the start… Hansen even admitted to turning the air conditioners off when making the case to politicians in 1988!
Dr Curry’s attitude seems to also make her a part of this. She seems not so much concerned about her scientific methodology, but only how it affects policy or public perception. “Trust” as she puts it. This would make her an advocate of Climate science, like Hansen… Not an advocate of the Scientific Method…. She seeks to maintain the credibility of “climate science” instead of the Scientific Method.
That is my main point and criticism of Dr Curry and those like her…. Indeed the whole AGW mess.
(PS… Dr Curry repeatedly suggests a conspiracy of “Big Oil”… She says, “Big oil funding for contrary views mostly dried up and the mainstream media supported the IPCC consensus.”… Yet she presents no evidence of this funding….. Indeed we know most of the so called “money trail” are simply ad hominem attacks on any scientist who had ever worked for an oil or cigarette company, or simply done some research for them.)

Tom Jones
February 24, 2010 9:00 pm

Willis Eschenbach (13:50:31) :
Boy, I wish I had said that. Willis, your comment was right on the money.

bootstrapguy
February 24, 2010 9:03 pm

Dr. Curry has an interesting take on this scandal – that of a dispassionate mediator who can see both sides of the issue and sees merit in both sides. Her concerns about the damage that the scandal has done to “science” is laudable. What’s completely absent from her discussion, however, is the personal dimension of this scandal. One group of climate scientists (who are her peers and colleagues) was maliciously attacking the integrity and credibility of another group of climate scientists (who are her peers and colleagues) with the deliberate intent of damaging them personally and professionally. Why has she ignored this component of the scandal? Where is her outrage; her indignation; her disgust with those who would engage in this type of behavior?
Her overarching question – “How can we restore trust in science?” – needs to acknowledge that at the heart of the problem are the scientists who lied, cheated, maliciously attacked peers, manipulated analysis, and hid/destroyed/faked data. That they’ve committed these offenses against “science” and their peers is patently obvious to anyone willing to make an objective examination of evidence and yet, to this day, they (and many others in the sciences and press) steadfastly deny these offenses.
Trust will be almost impossible to restore unless these denials are replaced by admissions of wrongdoing. What these scientists (and their supporters) need to do is to build and execute a model; a model of the the theological theory of redemption:
Confession + Repentance + Atonement + Consequences = Forgiveness
Where:
Confession = the admission by the perpetrators that they’ve done something wrong
Repentence = the expression of remorse and sorrow that they done this wrong
Atonement = the ongoing (and possibly never-ending) attempt to make amends or reparation for this wrong
Consequences = the willing acceptance of the (likely negative to them) results
Will we ever see an attempt at redemption by the perpetrators of Climategate. I’m not holding my breath. As long as scientists or journalists posing as dispassionate third party observers continue to see merit in both sides there will not be much incentive for confession, repentance, or atonement. As long as there are no consequences to the perpetrators; scientific censure, loss of jobs or tenure, or criminal or civil prosecutions it’s unlikely that we can deter similar behavior in the future.
Can we ever fully “restore trust” in science? Even if this model of redemption is perfectly constructed and executed by the perpetrators, most people will never be able to fully trust in science again. Mrs. Tiger may be able to forgive Mr. Tiger, but she’d be a fool to ever fully trust him again!
One final note: I was trying to give Dr. Curry the benefit of the doubt in taking the role of neutral mediator in her examination and explanation of this issue until I got to this statement:
“The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC is often blamed on difficulties of communicating such a complex topic to a relatively uneducated public…”
“…the truth as presented by the IPCC…” – reminds me of excrement from the male of a bovine species.

chili palmer
February 24, 2010 9:07 pm

Saudi Arabia lobbied intensely for the election of Pachauri to the top UN climate post, Climategate email 4/19/2002 from Tom Wigley to Phil Jones and others. Constantly claiming ‘oil companies’ are the big enemy just isn’t correct for this and other reasons. Trillions in carbon trading drives this issue. One Soros fund alone, INCR, has $8 trillion in assets. Do you think Soros is going to ‘call off the dogs’? No, he has endless groups pressuring legislation at all levels of government while innocent US taxpayers toil away. The industry has been described as well set up for crime, which has already occurred and hurt many. We have come to this economic standoff, all the money in the world, names like Soros, Goldman Sachs, many more in gleaming towers around the globe, the very existence of the city of London riding on the success of carbon trading (per Gordon Brown), focusing like a laser beam on what they view as the last remaining impediment to world domination: WUWT.

Paul Brassey
February 24, 2010 9:15 pm

Jimbo (15:51:18):
“By the way Dr. Judith, who has been funding you over the past 15 years? Do you feel that you can’t contradict AGW? If not why?”
Dr. Curry’s page at GA Tech contains this link:
http://cfan.eas.gatech.edu/
A consulting firm that assesses climate risk for commercial organizations. No financial interest there!

Marvin
February 24, 2010 9:31 pm

I realise this is OT but it seems really important to answer..
http://skepticalscience.com/On-the-reliability-of-the-US-Surface-Temperature-Record.html
Anthony Watts the microsites show a cooling trend not warming? And why have I not seen this reported on? Can you clearly respond to this article?
REPLY: Not right now. we have paper in the works. Bear in mind this article is based on pilfered data from early in the study at 43% surveyed. We are now over 87% and have finished our analysis, which looks a lot different than this pot shot – A

pft
February 24, 2010 9:36 pm

“Scientists are claiming that the scientific content of the IPCC reports is not compromised by climategate”
Thats says it all. Good grief. What “scientists” specifically?
It seems fairly obvious the alarmists will attempt to woo the skeptic blogs over in some fashion. AGW is an important tool for some very powerful folks. It is a major tool in the planned paradigm shift which I won’t go into here, but it is related to globalization.
I suspect that the CRU team and the IPCC head were simply human sacrifices so the AGW movement could recalibrate and take a different tactic with some fresh faces with less baggage in the hope we get some warming down the road or some natural weather disaster and get folks to tune into their hype. The hope is the public will be duped into believing the bad apples are gone and all is well again with science. Trust us and believe in our high priests (where you hiding James Hansen).
We saw a bit of human (and corporate) sacrifice in the economic crisis, but the big boys came out bigger and richer than ever (sorry Bernie-he was all PR and Lehman Bros-the sacrifice that triggered the panic, but Goldman Sachs says yay).
As for climate, with some new faces in place, it may be possible to end the rift with the skeptical blogosphere, or at least mute the criticism. I am sure this site and Climate Audit will be immune to this, but it will be interesting to see how it develops.

gt
February 24, 2010 9:48 pm

Wow, so many great comments, and quite a few of them as worthy to read as Dr. Curry’s letter. I only have one minor point to add:
The fact that she didn’t mention, let alone condemn, all the smears, slanders, insults, and overall very hostile treatment handed out by those AGW advocates and their minnows to whoever dares to question the Consensus discloses her bias, and that doesn’t put her in a good light.

February 24, 2010 9:52 pm

Tom Jones (21:00:09) :
Willis Eschenbach (13:50:31) :
“Boy, I wish I had said that. Willis, your comment was right on the money.”
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I agree, Willis, you said it very well.
Dr. Ralph Cicerone and his associates in the NAS [National Academy of Sciences] are probably staying up nights trying to find a way to stop the discussion of the climate scandal before more filth [See Oliver K. Manuel (08:25:21)] is exposed in federal research agencies whose budgets are subject to NAS review.
What a sad day for science,
Oliver K. Manuel

B. Smith
February 24, 2010 9:54 pm

“No one really believes that the “science is settled” or that “the debate is over.”
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If that is true Dr. Curry, then you have just implicated all of your brethren who have steadfastly stated otherwise of committing mass scientific fraud, at the very least.
Not exactly a “robust” foundation for building trust, is it?

leftymartin
February 24, 2010 10:04 pm

Willis – bluntly stated, but very well stated, and I look forward to your full blown post. You raised a critically important point that is lost on too many – the failure of the climate scientist community to call out, isolate and jettison miscreants such as Jones and Mann, the failure of the national science academies to do likewise, the failure to resist the IPCC politicization of climate science (in fact, that was largely and eagerly embraced), and on and on. No matter how well Dr. Curry may express contrition, and no matter how diplomatic she may think she is being in “reaching out” to the skeptical community – the undeniable fact of the matter is that such reaching out is happening only because the nonsense has been exposed, and thanks to the tireless, and pro bono, efforts of the likes of Steve McIntyre, Anthony Watts, Lucia, Jeff Id, and so on, the public has come to realize what has been afoot and the warmists are running scared.
Too little, too late. As Willis points out, we want good, honest, and replicable science, devoid of politicization, exaggeration, pre-conceived agendas, and NGOs. Climate science needs to hit the reset button, Dr. Curry, but sorry, I don’t believe the skeptic community trust even you in that regard. I don’t know what the way forward is out of this mess, but one thing is for sure – it will not be warmists who lead the way.

February 24, 2010 10:29 pm

When I started to read the comments there were more than 400. I found them interesting and many were filled with emotional reactions to Dr. Curry’s essay. I disagreed with of the theme of this essay that turns the blog sites into auditors and debaters with dissenting blog sites and now we will all get along. At the present time, that is impossible when one side of the debate relies on name calling. It seems to me that much of the discussion that has occurred on this web site has been about skepticism of each others ideas, \consideration of all the data and correctness in our assessment of the issues. Climategate and the IPCC AR4 Report fallacies reveal that the real failure that occurred is that the climate science was not carefully reviewed before it was published. The reviewers were pseudo-believers not scientific skeptics.
Most of us who have spent hours reviewing the scientific literature have found examples poor science. Usually, as science moves forward to push back the frontiers of knowledge these papers are ignored and eventually are forgotten. Papers that represent diligent careful science end up be cited over and over even when there is no consensus about a given paper’s correctness. Dr. Curry made one salient point that I like and which I did not see a comment about;“Medical research has long been concerned with the introduction of such bias, which is why they conduct double blind studies when testing the efficacy of a medical treatment”. Dr. Curry missed this point, viz., the scientific community in the physical sciences does not use a double blind system, they use peer review. What the blogs have known all along is that the peer review system is broken and was being manipulated for a variety of reasons. The only reason the Hockey stick was accepted for publication is that the review was not careful enough to find the errors in the statistical methodology. No one checked! Who would doubt the author?
Normally bad science is lost in the in the voluminous literature of science. However, when the climate research provided some uncorroborated evidence that the average global temperature was increasing and this may be due to CO2, the environmental political action committees jumped on this idea as a possibility of gaining political advance, At this point in time climate science became a tool to achieve political power and scientists became power brokers. Many competent scientists were used up by the culture power through global warming. The environmental political action groups saw this opportunity early in the late 70’s and spawned the cry that CO2 will produce a major catastrophe because the globe will get warmer and warmer. These PACs’ influenced the politicians to put more money into global warming research while ignoring other possible sources of warming. In addition, the environmental movement is world wide with its agenda. This led to the creation of IPCC. As result honest science was held hostage. In this cultural climate, only certain research was funded and certain people became prominent leaders in the field controlling the outcome of the research. If science was free from this sort of bias created to fulfill a political agenda, the peer review process would have created sufficient doubt that the wheels would have come off the wagon before it started downhill.
If you look back to examples where politics has influenced science, a number of examples will come to mind. Have we yet come to realize that we are being used to achieve a political and economic agendas rather than advance science for its own sake? Maybe AGW is dead. However, if the scientific community doesn’t fix the review process to be more honest and free from political bias, some other unfortunate scientist’s work will be misused to gain political advantage for some other PAC.
Jon Shively

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