On the Credibility of Climate Research, Part II: Towards Rebuilding Trust

Foreword – Below is  a guest post (by request) from Dr. Judith Curry on the issues we deal with every day here. While I and other like minded bloggers were given the opportunity to have some early input into this, little of it was accepted. This I think puts it off to a bad start in light of the title. One of my issues was that it wasn’t necessary to use the word “deniers”, which I think removal of is central to any discourse that includes a goal of “rebuilding trust”. There’s also other more technical issues related to current investigations that are not addressed here.

I had made my concerns known to Dr. Curry before in this post: The Curry letter: a word about “deniers”… which is worth re-reading again.

To be frank, given that she’s still using the term even when pointed out, and had deferred other valid suggestions from other skeptics, I’d given serious consideration to not carrying this at all. But I had carried Dr. Curry’s original post (at my request) on 11/27/09, just seven days after the Climategate story broke here at WUWT on 11/20/09:

An open letter from Dr. Judith Curry on climate science

Since I had carried that one at my request to Dr. Curry, I decided it only fair that I’d carry this one she offered, but with the above caveat. Further, as Andrew Revkin pointed out yesterday, WUWT is now by far the most trafficked climate blog in the world. With that comes a level of responsibility to broadly report the issues. Readers should give their opinion here, pulling no punches, but with one caveat: make the discourse respectful and without labels or inflammatory comments. – Anthony


Judith  Curry

Guest post by Judith Curry, Georgia Institute of Technology

I am trying something new, a blogospheric experiment, if you will.  I have been a fairly active participant in the blogosphere since 2006, and recently posted two essays on climategate, one at climateaudit.org and the other at climateprogress.org.  Both essays were subsequently picked up by other blogs, and the diversity of opinions expressed at the different blogs was quite interesting.  Hence I am distributing this essay to a number of different blogs simultaneously with the hope of demonstrating the collective power of the blogosphere to generate ideas and debate them.  I look forward to a stimulating discussion on this important topic.

Losing the Public’s Trust

Climategate has now become broadened in scope to extend beyond the CRU emails to include glaciergate and a host of other issues associated with the IPCC. In responding to climategate, the climate research establishment has appealed to its own authority and failed to understand that climategate is primarily a crisis of trust.  Finally, we have an editorial published in Science on February 10 from Ralph Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Science, that begins to articulate the trust issue: “This view reflects the fragile nature of trust between science and society, demonstrating that the perceived misbehavior of even a few scientists can diminish the credibility of science as a whole. What needs to be done? Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.”  While I applaud loudly Dr. Cicerone’s statement, I wish it had been made earlier and had not been isolated from the public by publishing the statement behind paywall at Science. Unfortunately, the void of substantive statements from our institutions has been filled in ways that have made the situation much worse.

Credibility is a combination of expertise and trust.  While scientists persist in thinking that they should be trusted because of their expertise, climategate has made it clear that expertise itself is not a sufficient basis for public trust.  The fallout from climategate is much broader than the allegations of misconduct by scientists at two universities.   Of greatest importance is the reduced credibility of the IPCC assessment reports, which are providing the scientific basis for international policies on climate change.  Recent disclosures about the IPCC have brought up a host of concerns about the IPCC that had been festering in the background: involvement of IPCC scientists in explicit climate policy advocacy; tribalism that excluded skeptics; hubris of scientists with regards to a noble (Nobel) cause; alarmism; and inadequate attention to the statistics of uncertainty and the complexity of alternative interpretations.

The scientists involved in the CRU emails and the IPCC have been defended as scientists with the best of intentions trying to do their work in a very difficult environment.  They blame the alleged hacking incident on the “climate denial machine.”  They are described as fighting a valiant war to keep misinformation from the public that is being pushed by skeptics with links to the oil industry. They are focused on moving the science forward, rather than the janitorial work of record keeping, data archival, etc. They have had to adopt unconventional strategies to fight off what they thought was malicious interference. They defend their science based upon their years of experience and their expertise.

Scientists are claiming that the scientific content of the IPCC reports is not compromised by climategate.  The jury is still out on the specific fallout from climategate in terms of the historical and paleo temperature records.   There are larger concerns (raised by glaciergate, etc.) particularly with regards to the IPCC Assessment Report on Impacts (Working Group II):  has a combination of groupthink, political advocacy and a noble cause syndrome stifled scientific debate, slowed down scientific progress and corrupted the assessment process?  If institutions are doing their jobs, then misconduct by a few individual scientists should be quickly identified, and the impacts of the misconduct should be confined and quickly rectified.  Institutions need to look in the mirror and ask the question as to how they enabled this situation and what opportunities they missed to forestall such substantial loss of public trust in climate research and the major assessment reports.

In their misguided war against the skeptics, the CRU emails reveal that core research values became compromised.   Much has been said about the role of the highly politicized environment in providing an extremely difficult environment in which to conduct science that produces a lot of stress for the scientists.  There is no question that this environment is not conducive to science and scientists need more support from their institutions in dealing with it.  However, there is nothing in this crazy environment that is worth sacrificing your personal or professional integrity.  And when your science receives this kind of attention, it means that the science is really important to the public.  Therefore scientists need to do everything possible to make sure that they effectively communicate uncertainty, risk, probability and complexity, and provide a context that includes alternative and competing scientific viewpoints.  This is an important responsibility that individual scientists and particularly the institutions need to take very seriously.

Both individual scientists and the institutions need to look in the mirror and really understand how this happened.  Climategate isn’t going to go away until these issues are resolved.   Science is ultimately a self-correcting process, but with a major international treaty and far-reaching domestic legislation on the table, the stakes couldn’t be higher.

The Changing Nature of Skepticism about Global Warming

Over the last few months, I have been trying to understand how this insane environment for climate research developed.  In my informal investigations, I have been listening to the perspectives of a broad range of people that have been labeled as “skeptics” or even “deniers”.  I have come to understand that global warming skepticism is very different now than it was five years ago.  Here is my take on how global warming skepticism has evolved over the past several decades.

In the 1980’s, James Hansen and Steven Schneider led the charge in informing the public of the risks of potential anthropogenic climate change.  Sir John Houghton and Bert Bolin played similar roles in Europe.  This charge was embraced by the environmental advocacy groups, and global warming alarmism was born.  During this period I would say that many if not most researchers, including myself, were skeptical that global warming was detectable in the temperature record and that it would have dire consequences.  The traditional foes of the environmental movement worked to counter the alarmism of the environmental movement, but this was mostly a war between advocacy groups and not an issue that had taken hold in the mainstream media and the public consciousness.  In the first few years of the 21st century, the stakes became higher and we saw the birth of what some have called a “monolithic climate denial machine”.  Skeptical research published by academics provided fodder for the think tanks and advocacy groups, which were fed by money provided by the oil industry. This was all amplified by talk radio and cable news.

In 2006 and 2007, things changed as a result of Al Gore’s movie “An Inconvenient Truth” plus the IPCC 4th Assessment Report, and global warming became a seemingly unstoppable juggernaut.  The reason that the IPCC 4th Assessment Report was so influential is that people trusted the process the IPCC described:  participation of a thousand scientists from 100 different countries, who worked for several years to produce 3000 pages with thousands of peer reviewed scientific references, with extensive peer review.  Further, the process was undertaken with the participation of policy makers under the watchful eyes of advocacy groups with a broad range of conflicting interests.   As a result of the IPCC influence, scientific skepticism by academic researchers became vastly diminished and it became easier to embellish the IPCC findings rather than to buck the juggernaut.  Big oil funding for contrary views mostly dried up and the mainstream media supported the IPCC consensus. But there was a new movement in the blogosphere, which I refer to as the “climate auditors”, started by Steve McIntyre.  The climate change establishment failed to understand this changing dynamic, and continued to blame skepticism on the denial machine funded by big oil.

Climate Auditors and the Blogosphere

Steve McIntyre started the blog climateaudit.org so that he could defend himself against claims being made at the blog realclimate.org with regards to his critique of the “hockey stick” since he was unable to post his comments there.  Climateaudit has focused on auditing topics related to the paleoclimate reconstructions over the past millennia (in particular the so called “hockey stick”) and also the software being used by climate researchers to fix data problems due to poor quality surface weather stations in the historical climate data record. McIntyre’s “auditing” became very popular not only with the skeptics, but also with the progressive “open source” community, and there are now a number of such blogs.  The blog with the largest public audience is wattsupwiththat.com, led by weatherman Anthony Watts, with over 2 million unique visitors each month.

So who are the climate auditors?  They are technically educated people, mostly outside of academia.  Several individuals have developed substantial expertise in aspects of climate science, although they mainly audit rather than produce original scientific research. They tend to be watchdogs rather than deniers; many of them classify themselves as “lukewarmers”. They are independent of oil industry influence.  They have found a collective voice in the blogosphere and their posts are often picked up by the mainstream media. They are demanding greater accountability and transparency of climate research and assessment reports.

So what motivated their FOIA requests of the CRU at the University of East Anglia?  Last weekend, I was part of a discussion on this issue at the Blackboard.  Among the participants in this discussion was Steven Mosher, who broke the climategate story and has already written a book on it here. They are concerned about inadvertent introduction of bias into the CRU temperature data by having the same people who create the dataset use the dataset in research and in verifying climate models; this concern applies to both NASA GISS and the connection between CRU and the Hadley Centre. This concern is exacerbated by the choice of James Hansen at NASA GISS to become a policy advocate, and his forecasts of forthcoming “warmest years.”  Medical research has long been concerned with the introduction of such bias, which is why they conduct double blind studies when testing the efficacy of a medical treatment. Any such bias could be checked by independent analyses of the data; however, people outside the inner circle were unable to obtain access to the information required to link the raw data to the final analyzed product.  Further, creation of the surface data sets was treated like a research project, with no emphasis on data quality analysis, and there was no independent oversight.  Given the importance of these data sets both to scientific research and public policy, they feel that greater public accountability is required.

So why do the mainstream climate researchers have such a problem with the climate auditors? The scientists involved in the CRU emails seem to regard Steve McIntyre as their arch-nemesis (Roger Pielke Jr’s term). Steve McIntyre’s early critiques of the hockey stick were dismissed and he was characterized as a shill for the oil industry.   Academic/blogospheric guerilla warfare ensued, as the academic researchers tried to prevent access of the climate auditors to publishing in scientific journals and presenting their work at professional conferences, and tried to deny them access to published research data and computer programs. The bloggers countered with highly critical posts in the blogosphere and FOIA requests.  And climategate was the result.

So how did this group of bloggers succeed in bringing the climate establishment to its knees (whether or not the climate establishment realizes yet that this has happened)?  Again, trust plays a big role; it was pretty easy to follow the money trail associated with the “denial machine”.  On the other hand, the climate auditors have no apparent political agenda,

are doing this work for free, and have been playing a watchdog role, which has engendered the trust of a large segment of the population.

Towards Rebuilding Trust

Rebuilding trust with the public on the subject of climate research starts with Ralph Cicerone’s statement “Two aspects need urgent attention: the general practice of science and the personal behaviors of scientists.”   Much has been written about the need for greater transparency, reforms to peer review, etc. and I am hopeful that the relevant institutions will respond appropriately.  Investigations of misconduct are being conducted at the University of East Anglia and at Penn State.  Here I would like to bring up some broader issues that will require substantial reflection by the institutions and also by individual scientists.

Climate research and its institutions have not yet adapted to its high policy relevance.  How scientists can most effectively and appropriately engage with the policy process is a topic that has not been adequately discussed (e.g. the “honest broker” challenge discussed by Roger Pielke Jr), and climate researchers are poorly informed in this regard.  The result has been reflexive support for the UNFCCC policy agenda (e.g. carbon cap and trade) by many climate researchers that are involved in the public debate (particularly those involved in the IPCC), which they believe follows logically from the findings of the (allegedly policy neutral) IPCC. The often misinformed policy advocacy by this group of climate scientists has played a role in the political polarization of this issue.. The interface between science and policy is a muddy issue, but it is very important that scientists have guidance in navigating the potential pitfalls.  Improving this situation could help defuse the hostile environment that scientists involved in the public debate have to deal with, and would also help restore the public trust of climate scientists.

The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC is often blamed on difficulties of communicating such a complex topic to a relatively uneducated public that is referred to as “unscientific America” by Chris Mooney.  Efforts are made to “dumb down” the message and to frame the message to respond to issues that are salient to the audience.   People have heard the alarm, but they remain unconvinced because of a perceived political agenda and lack of trust of the message and the messengers. At the same time, there is a large group of educated and evidence driven people (e.g. the libertarians, people that read the technical skeptic blogs, not to mention policy makers) who want to understand the risk and uncertainties associated with climate change, without being told what kinds of policies they should be supporting. More effective communication strategies can be devised by recognizing that there are two groups with different levels of base knowledge about the topic.  But building trust through public communication on this topic requires that uncertainty be acknowledged.  My own experience in making public presentations about climate change has found that discussing the uncertainties increases the public trust in what scientists are trying to convey and doesn’t detract from the receptivity to understanding climate change risks (they distrust alarmism). Trust can also be rebuilt by  discussing broad choices rather than focusing on specific policies.

And finally, the blogosphere can be a very powerful tool for increasing the credibility of climate research.  “Dueling blogs”  (e.g. climateprogress.org versus wattsupwiththat.com and realclimate.org versus climateaudit.org) can actually enhance public trust in the science as they see both sides of the arguments being discussed.  Debating science with skeptics should be the spice of academic life, but many climate researchers lost this somehow by mistakenly thinking that skeptical arguments would diminish the public trust in the message coming from the climate research establishment.   Such debate is alive and well in the blogosphere, but few mainstream climate researchers participate in the blogospheric debate.  The climate researchers at realclimate.org were the pioneers in this, and other academic climate researchers hosting blogs include Roy Spencer, Roger Pielke Sr and Jr, Richard Rood, and Andrew Dessler. The blogs that are most effective are those that allow comments from both sides of the debate (many blogs are heavily moderated).  While the blogosphere has a “wild west” aspect to it, I have certainly learned a lot by participating in the blogospheric debate including how to sharpen my thinking and improve the rhetoric of my arguments. Additional scientific voices entering the public debate particularly in the blogosphere would help in the broader communication efforts and in rebuilding trust. And we need to acknowledge the emerging auditing and open source movements in the in the internet-enabled world, and put them to productive use.  The openness and democratization of knowledge enabled by the internet can be a tremendous tool for building public understanding of climate science and also trust in climate research.

No one really believes that the “science is settled” or that “the debate is over.”  Scientists and others that say this seem to want to advance a particular agenda.  There is nothing more detrimental to public trust than such statements.

And finally, I hope that this blogospheric experiment will demonstrate how the diversity of the different blogs can be used collectively to generate ideas and debate them, towards bringing some sanity to this whole situation surrounding the politicization of climate science and rebuilding trust with the public.

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Veronica
February 24, 2010 3:08 pm

Science really is ultimately a self-correcting process, but how long that process sometimes takes when there are strong lobbly groups trying to maintain the dominant position!
And whoever first said “the Science is settled” is a dipstick. It is the nature of science that it is NEVER settled. On the contrary, it can, unfortunately for the warmistas, become UNsettled at any time, depending on the data that comes in.

David Ball
February 24, 2010 3:08 pm

-Ms. Curry, was just wondering if you could help me find my families share of the oil money. I, apparently, am having difficulty following it. You said it was easy. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-The proponents of AGW have claimed there will be runaway warming for at least 25 years now. When was this going to happen again? The delusion that the public has lost faith in science is certainly not our fault, but lies in the fact that CAGW is not happening. The problem lies with promoters of the diaphonous theory screaming at the top of their lungs: WOLF, WOLF!!!!

Jimi Bostock
February 24, 2010 3:09 pm

I think that this post is a wonderful evolution in the discussions. Congrats must go to both Judith and Anthony.
I do not share Anthony’s concerns about the use of the “denier” term. Judith is clearly using it for historical perspective. More so, I say we embrace the term and add to it that we are deniers that the science is settled.
Here in Australia we have several cases where derogatory words have been claimed by the very people it was used against. “Wog” is a great example. It was used by racists to denegrate people from Italy, Greece, etc. Now these people openly use it and it is also acceptable, if you are their freind, to call them a wog, in typical Australian jest.
So, I suggest that the denier slur be worn as a badge. After all, denying that the science is settled is probably one of the smartest things one can do.
I can only hope that Judith’s thoughtful words are heeded by the climate science community. That will go a long way to getting the whole thing back on a good footing and progress be made.
After all, from my view, we may well be facing AGW. It is only that there are so many problems with the science that we can not really say. Over the next few years we need to get the mess sorted out.
Judith’s input would be invaluable in that process.

hmccard
February 24, 2010 3:10 pm

Dr. Curry,
I’m sure that you realize that only a small fraction of the visitors to this blog leave comments. Some refer to them as “lurkers” but I consider them to be the “silent majority.” Why do you suppose they choose to visit WUWT? I suppose that they find the posts and related comments interesting. I also believe this situation exists at other blogs. If this is true, the number of visitors to the lukewarmer and skeptical blogs listed in Anthony’s blogroll is very large and may be increasing exponentially. I have no sense of what is happening at the Pro AGW blogs but it would be interesting to know if they are also experiencing significant growth.
My commednts above are meant to suggest to you that the climate science skeptical group has always been large; perhaps much larger than you thought. In the last few years the blogosphere, through the effort of Steve McIntyre, Anthony and others, a “movement” of skeptics has evolved.
Perhaps you understand the scope of this skeptical movement but I see no sign that others in your field understand it. If they did and recognized that it is world-wide, I think they might appreciate the extent and nature of the trust issue that you have raised.
Regards
Hank McCard

Viktor
February 24, 2010 3:11 pm

How many chances are the likes of CA and WUWT going to give Judith Curry to unleash these attempts to numb sceptical individuals to the perils of practicing bad science? She has been given several chances, especially over at Climate Audit, to grasp exactly what it is we are saying and how we have arrived at this very point.
Still, she resorts to these falsehoods about “Big Oil” funding the sceptical movement at every turn, while ignoring that “Big Government” and “Big Energy” have poured exponentially more (to put it mildly) into the coffers of alarmists’ machine. We’re labeled “deniers”, still, invoking the most horrific of atrocities as an equivocation for our position. There are no signs that this person is working towards any coherent understanding of the sceptical position, as she continues to assert that the alarmists are merely suffering from an image problem due to a lack of effective communication.
To put it plainly: It is bad science, and even worse policy, that has ignited the sceptical spark in so many today.
I ask again, how many more chances will she be given to misrepresent the facts, in very public forums, while extending her hand in an effort to repackage the image of failed science? Dr. Curry is Ravetz-lite – dangerous, too, without the ambitiousness.

Paul Vaughan
February 24, 2010 3:13 pm

I applaud Dr. Judith Curry’s distinction between “denier” & “auditor”. I encourage further distinction between “skeptic” & “nonalarmist”. The term “skeptic” is misapplied far more often than the term “denier”.
When someone calls me a denier, I laugh – and the laughter is genuine. I am simply interested in understanding nature.
While neither denier nor skeptic, the label “nonalarmist auditor” is not incorrect, even if it misses the point about simply wanting to understand nature.
The endless objections to use of the term “denier” appear frivolous. I encourage WUWT to review the policy of discouraging use of the term.
Thanks to Dr. Judith Curry & WUWT for a great article.

It's always Marcia, Marcia
February 24, 2010 3:16 pm

…..James Hansen at NASA GISS…..raw data to the final analyzed product. Further, creation of the surface data sets was treated like a research project, with no emphasis on data quality analysis, and there was no independent oversight.
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There is no mention here of the 1000’s of dropped temperature stations by GISS. The dropped stations are those most likely to be unaffected by UHI, i.e., Urban Heat Island. This means the GISS set has been made as biased toward warming as possible.
This point is crucial.

February 24, 2010 3:16 pm

As a ‘lukewarmer’ and a retired biologist with a longstanding interest in the environment, plus a willingness to do precautionary emission cuts if done sensibly by nuclear power, the sole proven solution at present: I welcome Judith Curry’s contribution and Anthony’s characteristic good editorial policy in running her piece.
Why do many like me feel more or less sceptical about AGW and climate science?
1. The environmental movement has a long history of alarmism, including a 1970s alarm over global cooling.
2. The IPCC is run by the United Nations. I and many others do not trust this institution, not for any wild ideological reason, but because we have seen it fail so many times.
3. When the AGW movement labels its opponents as ‘deniers’, with its overtones of pathological mental states shading off into holocaust denial, it is an infuriating tactic. Moreover, many sceptics do not deny all AGW, they just question how serious it will be.
4. Continual McCarthy-style smears about links to Big Oil are par for the course with AGW proponents. I have never gotten a cent from that source. And the climate change community has a prima facie interest in perpetuating AGW theory to attract funding. So warmer lectures about vested interests are simultaneously rash generalisations and acts of hypocrisy.
5. I do not distrust science but I do distrust the climate science community for the reasons given by Wegman and colleagues in his 2006 report. This community is inbred, incestuously promoting each other’s work, and savaging pack-style anyone like McIntyre who dared to question their conclusions (as is normal in science).
6. The hockey stick team showed massive obstinacy in making their full data and working generally available. This hindered independent checking. That is simply not science. And an innocent person has nothing to hide; so evasive behaviour begets distrust.
7. The hockey stick team also engaged in flagrantly unacceptable attempts to hide troublesome aspects of their proxy temperature reconstructions – hide-the-decline was done by two different methods (splicing in the instrumental record, and truncating the proxy record in a place where the truncation is hard to notice in a tangle of spaghetti graphs: McIntyre).
8. As former IPCC head Watson noted, IPCC errors tended to consistently favour the alarmist side, not the random spread expected for honest errors (I admit to having made plenty of them).
9. The IPCC/green/media complex inundated us with propaganda about AGW, often on the flimsiest of pretexts. For example, there is endless panic about the Antarctic, yet most of the continent has not warmed since the early 1970s, and the one warming part, the Antarctic Peninsula, may be doing so by contacting a warm current. I want science, not an outdoor freak show.
10. We were endlessly bombarded with the message that the science is settled, at the very time when the global temperature was not rising for a decade or more. And at the time that evidence was increasing for natural warming factors like solar cycles and the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.
11. We were continually pressured to adopt preconceived policy solutions. In my country, cap and trade was treated as if it had been handed down by Moses from on high. Yet my understanding is that Crocker one of its inventors doesn’t think it will work on a global scale (as opposed to the more restricted use of it in the US against acid rain).
12. In short, I and others like me feel we are being railroaded by AGW true believers into swallowing ‘settled’ science which is clearly not settled, and into rigid policy solutions to the alleged problems. We fear that a lot of ordinary people could lose their jobs from panicky policies that have been distorted by alarmism and groupthink.

joshua corning
February 24, 2010 3:18 pm

Again, trust plays a big role; it was pretty easy to follow the money trail associated with the “denial machine”. On the other hand, the climate auditors have no apparent political agenda,
are doing this work for free, and have been playing a watchdog role, which has engendered the trust of a large segment of the population.

Curry has no clean hands on this issue. She rejected the work done on the Soon paper because she did not like some of the sources of its funding.
Science is not about who pays for it. Until Curry goes back and reexamines the Soon paper and reviews it on its scientific merits she is just as culpable as those involved in the CRU emails.
Exxon funded research which lead to the development of lithium Ion batteries. Obviously the research was scientifically valid. Are we to suppose that simply because Exxon funded a science paper on climate that it is automatically invalid?
Trust does play a big role and Curry is neck deep in this scandal if she is going to reject science for unscientific reasons.

Jordan
February 24, 2010 3:18 pm

Willis Eschenbach (13:50:31): a frank destruction of Judith’s “essay”. This thoroughly deserves a place at the top of the thread – the place of a direct response to Judith’s (ahem) “essay”.
Willis could not make the point better: public trust is the product of good science.
Judith wishes to make larded-up junk more palatable to the public. A thesis which rests four-square on the assumption that failure to accept junk must be some kind of measure of public stupidity.
But there is some utility in her words. We can use this as a measure of how long it can take the purveyors and defenders of junk to appreciate who is the most deserving of wearing the stupidity label.

ROM
February 24, 2010 3:18 pm

Judith Curry’s first article on WUWT was touted by many as a new way forward but to me it was merely another lame dressing up of a strongly held anti skeptic, non tolerant and anti alternative view which it seemed Curry could not divorce herself from.
When she used the term “deniers” as a descriptive term in that first article, that was enough for me.
She was merely trying to dress up her fixed, non negotiable climate warming advocacy position.
Her spots have not significantly changed as even in this article there are no open signs of regret that the strident and very nasty climate warming advocacy which brooked no opposition to it’s policies was wrong.
There are no admissions that the climate warming science and scientist advocates have received truly immense amounts of funds to continue their warmista advocacy.
Instead Curry refers only to the insignificant sums in the overall funding of the climate debate from an oil company that supposedly underpinned the Skeptics campaign, financial support which dried up many years ago nor does she even hint at the immensely larger sums that flowed from the same Big Oil to the warmista groups such as CRU and etc let alone the immense sums from environmental advocacy groups and the tax payer’s pockets without those same tax payer’s consent to those same alarmist climate science advocacy organisations.
Nor does she directly admit nor does it appear that she can bring herself to admit that most of the claims of the global warmists and climate changers were wrong, corrupted, hyped up and deliberately alarmist.
Curry has moved somewhat in that she now seems more ready to admit that perhaps the science was not open but nowhere does she definitively call for the full and total release of all the data, algorithms and computations both past and into the future so that everything can be checked and thoroughly examined.
She skirts around this subject with weasel words without being direct and open as to what society requires of it’s climate scientists and it’s scientists of every discipline.
Steve McIntyre, Anthony Watts and others get credit for unveiling the corruption in climate science but nowhere does Curry say that their work should have been totally unnecessary if honesty and ethics had a place in climate science.
From this layman’s point of view, one of billions whose entire life was to be deeply affected and changed and life style comforts possibly severely reduced if those same climate scientists that Judith Curry represents and is excusing had got their way, something I will take a long time to forgive or forget, then if Judith Curry still represents the attitudes and thinking of that same climate science today where the appearances and outcomes are more important than the actual science, we indeed still have a very long way to go before climate science is an open, fully accountable and ultimately respected discipline if ever in the next couple of generations.

Rob M
February 24, 2010 3:19 pm

“Gene Zeien (07:57:36) :
The failure of the public and policy makers to understand the truth as presented by the IPCC
TRUTH?!? I can think of several more appropriate words: story, case, hypothesis, theory.”
try ‘fairy story’

It's always Marcia, Marcia
February 24, 2010 3:20 pm

“….it was pretty easy to follow the money trail associated with the “denial machine”.”
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Huh, really.
Are you refering to the Newsweek article?
If you are, even a longtime writer for Newsweek said that article was a dirty attack.

Stephen Brown
February 24, 2010 3:21 pm

Welcome, Dr. Curry to the real world.
A sampling of the comments above shows some are disparaging, some encouraging; some commentators welcome your presence here (as I do) whilst others are more wary. That is the way of the world.
You talk of trust. Trust has to be earned, it is not simply given. The IPCC has earned our collective rejection of its shrill, hysterical rants of impending doom because it has been shown, in many parts, to be completely wrong. I repeat a phrase written earlier; “Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.” False in one part, false in all. That is how the majority of people today view the IPCC’s comments, recommendations and policies.
The IPCC is now so deeply discredited that it should be disbanded entirely. The trust which it garnered in its early days of existence has been squandered by those pursuing a political rather than a truly scientific agenda. Politics and Government money have corrupted the IPCC beyond redemption.
How should the “New Start” begin? Let’s start with the concept of truly “open notebook” science where everything or rather EVERYTHING is available for review by anyone. The internet makes this a very cheap and easy way of presenting the entirety of any and every scientific endeavour.
As you may now have noticed, although few here can claim to be ‘climatologists’, most here are well educated and are well able to detect what is best described as B*** S*** very quickly. A complete revelation of everything involved in every prediction or prognostication claiming to have a basis in ‘science’ is the only way forward.
We, the sceptics, are not your enemies. We are, in fact, your best friends. It is we who are insisting that ‘science’ is performed scientifically. Debate and contrary opinions are part and parcel of such a process, ad hominem attacks should be forbidden. It is only the data, the methods of the collection of that data and the conclusions drawn from the study of that data which should form the basis for discussion. It is only when these conditions are met that any re-building of trust can even start.
How the financing of these new and open scientific endeavours should be approached is another minefield. How many Governments and businesses would pay into a blind fund, where the contributors did not know what they were funding and could in no way affect the outcome of the experiments so funded? How would scientists react when told, “Here’s some money. Here’s a problem. Investigate.” without knowing from whence their funding came? Would the TRUTH be the result?

Veronica
February 24, 2010 3:22 pm

Rocky Road
Perhaps we should call ourselves “climate insurgents”?
LOL

RockyRoad
February 24, 2010 3:25 pm

Forgive the levity, but I saw this posted by “Havewit” on another blog:
It should be a federal crime to yell “GLOBAL WARMING!” on a crowded planet.
Snip if necessary… lol. But I really think that’s a Quote of the Week contender.

RockyRoad
February 24, 2010 3:27 pm

Veronica (15:22:46) :
Rocky Road
Perhaps we should call ourselves “climate insurgents”?
LOL
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Even that’s preferable to “denier”. 🙂

Anticlimactic
February 24, 2010 3:27 pm

The issue for me about the term ‘deniers’ is that it is purely negative. Even ‘skeptics’ is not much better.
The skeptics viewpoint is mostly that climate is driven by the sun, leading to roughly 30 year cycles of warming and cooling, moderated by a slight overall increase as we are still emerging from the ‘Little Ice Age’. The current view is that 1998 was the warmest year, and global cooling started in 2005. As the sun was unusually quiet for the past 3 years it is possible that the next 20 years of global cooling could be severe.
This is hardly radical, just an alternative viewpoint, with a scientific basis and increasing evidence.
What is needed is a more positive label, all I can think of is ‘solarists’, but that isn’t really snappy enough – suggestions anyone?

Allen63
February 24, 2010 3:30 pm

Well written, thoughtful. I don’t have any issue with the verbiage.
I hope “climategate” does result in a new objectivity and openness at “the highest levels” on such an “expensive” topic. However, politicians, scientists, mainstream media, and investors have “hitched their wagon” to AGW. Bad things may still happen because the snowball is large and rolling down a steep incline.

Stephen Brown
February 24, 2010 3:33 pm

Here’s the Grauniad’s response to Dr, Curry’s advances to the “deniers”.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/feb/24/climate-change-debate

NickB.
February 24, 2010 3:35 pm

Software Audit required (14:11:27)
Propaganda aimed at scaring children is reprehensible – NOTHING pisses me off more – but to your last point, that is part of the reason why I posted a link to Lacis’ last on Revkin’s blog. I really do believe that the real underlying issue is that they (or Lacis at least) really do think “it’s a simple physics problem”.
After way too much time pouring through Lacis’ comments and subsequent responses the logic finally dawned on me… CO2’s greenhouse affect is a “fact”, the only real challenge and hence the only point to the IPCC is attribution of observations to said fact.
It’s all built on circular logic and effectively, IMO, a tautology. AGW has to be there – it’s physically impossible that it’s not.
Forget that by NOAA’s own data the temperature trend from 1911-1945 was probably more sever than 1950-current (which is when all 120% of AGW occurred). Forget that a relationship in a lab environment doesn’t always play out to expectation in an open environment the way you expect it (my background is Economics, and woah sally what is Micro is rarely discernible from the noise in Macro).
That mindset is the core of the GCM’s too – the only real variable they build them around is CO2… and why not? After all:
CO2 is absolutely, positively, and without question, the single most important greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. It acts very much like a control knob that determines the overall strength of the Earth’s greenhouse effect. Failure to control atmospheric CO2 is a bad way to run a business, and a surefire ticket to climatic disaster
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/lacis-at-nasa-on-role-of-co2-in-warming/

I don’t think that even if it could be demonstrated that the climate does, in fact, do strange and wonderful things in response to CO2 that were never built into the GCMs… or that its underlying dynamic nature is so powerful that whatever CO2 response is there is just drowned out in the noise, or not the apocalypse they think it will be… I don’t think they will ever accept it.
IMO when a scientist refuses to admit that it is even possible that they could be wrong, it’s not really science anymore is it?
Is that too harsh of a judgment to levy on Lacis’ statements?

February 24, 2010 3:36 pm

Restoring trust and the limits of Toleration
In the Middle Ages across europe there was a broad movement against a corrupt church establishment and towards voluntary religion based on personal enlightenment. Some of these folks thought is was a good idea to baptise after a ‘born again’ enlightenment, just as the apostles in the Bible had done.
The Church was sporatically intolerant to this movement in which Erasmus was educated, and which he promoted. The intolerance fed the Reformation begun by Luther. When the Lutherans broke away they introduced many changes that appeased the Church critics. However, compulsory infant baptism was the foundation of spiritual authority of the state. Luther and his princely supporters were not going to give up what was a powerful mechanism of control for it kept everyone in the same church. Nor were the Calvinists. Luther and Calvin co-operated with the Catholics to persecute the ‘ana-Baptists,’ to slaughter them into oblivion.
Since climategate, there has been a Reformist push that is calling for some concessions to the critics of the Climate Change doctrine that is a universal dogma of the science establishment. This dogma, euphemistically called ‘Climate Change’ states that isthe overwhelming scientific grounds for the claim that CO2 emissions causing catastrophic global warming.
If this dogma is brought into question, then it threatens the foundation of the authority of the institutions of Climate Change. Think: Mike Hulme is professor of Climate Change and director of the Tindall Centre for Climate Change. And it threatens the entire establishment that has adoped this doctrine.
Their is good reason to protect this dogma and we need to be very clear that the reformer continue to protect it – for they, like Luther, also need to serve princes. We notice that at the same time as calling for openness and toleration for sceptics, there is an implicit or explicit intolerance to any questioning of the fundimental doctrine of Climate Change. Sceptics can operate at a higher and political level but not at the level of the fundimental question. This is in Curry above, and also in Hulme. And The Guardian’s response to Curry makes it very clear the limits of permissible toleration and reform:

“Some sceptics such as Bjørn Lomborgand Nigel Lawson have made a very conscious shift in their stance in recent years away from one that questioned the science to one that now largely focuses on questioning the policy responses to climate change. If we are to have a fierce, politicised debate let it lie here, surely. But let’s keep the politics out of both the climate science and those that choose to try and audit it via their blogs.”

hunter
February 24, 2010 3:36 pm

the bottom line irt Dr. Curry’s essay, for me, is that she is making efforts to admit there is an important problem. Although she is still not willing, yet, to admit that the problems are more than perception, she is preserving her integrity. she is willing to cknowledge something that nearly no other AGW community leader is yet willing to do: give respect to skeptics, however carefully parsed, and grant them good faith and integrity.
That she is willing to do this speaks volumes of her personal integrity.
That so few of her peers are willing to do the same, speaks volumes about their lack of same.

Ed Murphy
February 24, 2010 3:44 pm

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” – Carl Sagan.
In my opinion we have the extraordinary claims and not even close to acceptable standards of evidence from this CAGW distraction.
Science funded by the public or that which public policy is based upon should have always been ‘open source’ science. If they wanted public funding monies or to have public policy set by their alleged scientific conclusions they should have been showing all their work for encouraged debate.
I think there is a large tab for these failures, in the many multiples of billions of dollars, that needs to be gathered up as much as possible and paid back. Given back to the people to be used to help build the employment, energy, housing and agriculture infrastructure necessary for all our planet’s people to be given the best chances of survival from the natural climate extremes that we know are returning in our future.
No more of our money needs to go down the drain of belief driven and personal agenda religions that are not and will never be the science that was asked for.

D. King
February 24, 2010 3:49 pm

As a denier, I have had an epiphany! I now know where the problem
is. Well, this U.S. educated geographer and future climate scientist
explains it best.
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww ]

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