Ummm Charles, about that train thingy you arrived on…

From the UK Express

PRINCE CHARLES ON CLIMATE CHANGE: GLOBAL WARMING SCEPTICS ARE ALL LIARS

Charles, who has campaigned on global warming for more than 20 years, said: “I have watched with growing dismay and alarm the glee with which the sceptics have leapt upon the recent news stories that question the science that climate change is man-made and suggesting it is nothing more than a myth.

Prince Charles: ‘I’m not willing to play Russian Roulette over climate change’

“Well, if it is but a myth, and the global scientific community is involved in some sort of conspiracy, why is it then that around the globe sea levels are more than six inches higher than they were 100 years ago?

“This isn’t an opinion – it is a fact.”

He added: “And, ladies and gentlemen please be in no doubt that the evidence of long-term and potentially irreversible changes to our world is utterly overwhelming.”

Charles spoke after arriving in Manchester by Royal Train pulled by a coal-fired steam locomotive, named the Tornado, which was rebuilt from a 1948 design.

Read the entire article at the UK Express


First let me say that I like trains. But Charles apparently has no clue about how such a pronouncement might be viewed by commoners when he’s apparently doing nothing to curb his own carbon footprint. Will Jim Hansen denounce him for riding on a  coal powered “death train”?

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The Royal Train - click for more - image from the Telegraph

Charles also seems to think that sea level is a static feature of our dynamic Earth. Here’s a few reminders about sea level change the prince probably hasn’t discussed in polite conversations. He might also benefit from a visit to Israel, where sea level has been variable for the last 2500 years.

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Image: Global Warming Art

Here’s the last 9000 years which appear almost flat in the graph above due to scale used:

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Image: Global Warming Art

In our current era, while sea level has in fact been rising, continuing the trend started thousands of years ago, it recently appears to have slowed a bit:

Image: University of Colorado

Clearly we live in the golden age of relative stability, but Earth is very seldom that way. The rise of  man just happened to get lucky…thanks to a warming world.

But who to believe, a coal powered prince or your own lying eyes?

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Roger Knights
February 5, 2010 5:58 am

PS: Bertrand Russell once wrote (regretfully?) that the days are past when his family and a dozen others were able to tell the king to get lost.

Perry
February 5, 2010 5:59 am

I would point out that Prince Charles was a fast jet pilot, as was the previous US president, Shrub was his name I believe?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales
A leader of the free world, also given to failing to engage his brain before opening his mouth.
Charles, may be a nutter, but he’s our nutter. Back off you colonialists or, or, or,
we”ll tell our mummies.

Another Brit
February 5, 2010 5:59 am

God forbid that we had Cherie Blair as the Presidents wife, or Gordon Brown as President.
At present, Prince Charles is a private individual who costs the taxpayers nothing, and through his charities does some very good work for the underprivileged. Like all individuals, he has some views that not all of us agree with. Likewise he did not choose to be born into his position, neither did he get to choose his intellect. I happen to prefer the monarchy to the thought of one of our modern venal politicians being head of state. It is purely a symbolic institution, but does provide some checks and balances within the system. The institution of the monarchy, not the individuals, are an important part of our system, like it or not. I happen to like it, in preference to the alternatives.
Yes, he may be a fool, but then so is G. Brown and many others. But Anthony, you do not do yourself any favours with a large part of the British public with an ad hominem attack on Prince Charles. Foolish and badly advised he may be, but he has little or no influence on Government policy.

Steve in SC
February 5, 2010 6:01 am

Pamela Gray (21:00:34) :
However, the queen ain’t no genius either. I am decidedly unimpressed with Briton’s loyalty. From the queen right on down to the queen’s 3rd cousin once removed. For all that loyal education, ya think ya’ll could come up with a “smarter” be-jeweled majesty. Or at least the offspring.
But, who am I to talk. I voted for Obummer.

Well Pam if it is any solace herr McCain is also an AGW idiot so you did not have much of a choice. Hopefully McCain is about to get his comeuppance as will the community organizer a couple of years later. Hopefully, the damage can be limited.
And Chuckie, is it just me or is he a known idiot?
Maybe Cromwell was right.

Henry chance
February 5, 2010 6:16 am

Just like Obama. Obama is a carbon nightmare and also just like Biden except for the hair plugs. Obama has a teleprompter so the wordsmiths let out less innane leaks. Charlie could afford a teleprompter and a speech writer.

DennisA
February 5, 2010 6:18 am

Charles is a “useful fool”. His environmental adviser is Jonathan Porritt, Founder Director of Forum for the Future:
http://www.forumforthefuture.org.uk/founder-directors
Charles hosted a reception last year for “Nobel Prize Winners and Climate experts” The sycophantic reporter is the brilliantly named Daniel Gorelick, (I kid you not).
Steven Chu in the U.K., discussing climate change, http://tiny.cc/4Nvxp.
Nobel Laureates from across scientific disciplines were joined by world experts in climate change to discuss “the connections between global warming and other urgent environmental, economic and development challenges facing our world.” The symposium was hosted at The Royal Society and St. James’s Palace in London, under the patronage of the Prince of Wales.
Charles’ father helped to start WWF http://tiny.cc/ZxZ2v. The Duke was the first President of WWF-UK from its foundation in 1961 to 1982, and President of WWF-International from 1981 to 1996. He is now President Emeritus for WWF.
A search for “Prince Philip WWF” produces some less than complimetary references. He is elsewhere quoted as saying “If I were re-incarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund.

Indiana Bones
February 5, 2010 6:19 am

rbateman (21:51:49) :
Pamela Gray (21:00:34) :
“A lot of folks voted for Obama, that was before he decided to run over our Carbon Footprints with his Obummer Hummer.”
Between prince c, bush and oh bama my toes is hurtin! Why can’t clones beehave???

DaveF
February 5, 2010 6:20 am

Patrick Davis 04:01:38:
‘As well as “potted” plants?’
I knew he talked to the plants – I didn’t know they talked back! My plants don’t take much notice of me. I shout “Die, you b——- at the weeds over and over, but it has no effect.

Vern
February 5, 2010 6:27 am

Prince Charles: ‘I’m not willing to play Russian Roulette over climate change….’
It sound to me like this is the same old tired argument that has been heard many times before…. ‘Even if we are wrong about the future temperature rise, it is better to be proactive about it just in case and thus be safe rather than sorry’. Here’s my stock answer that I’ve offered to others with that view…. You might be young and healthy right now but based on statistics alone, there is a very good chance you will get cancer in the future. Why not start the chemotherapy now?

Draughtsman
February 5, 2010 6:30 am

I don’t think that anyone has yet mentioned that the steam locomotive hauling the prince’s train is an A1 Peppercorn Pacific named Tornado built from scratch from the original drawings by a team of enthusiasts and engineers. It took them nineteen years to do it starting in 1990 and is a fantastic achievement considering that prior to this the last steam locomotive to be built in the UK was the Evening Star in the early 1960s.
Charles may well have been honouring the endeavours of the builders by having his train hauled by their loco evening if there was a class 67 diesel locomotive at the rear of the train ‘just in case’.

ShrNfr
February 5, 2010 6:36 am

MartinGAtkins The Hanovers have had a non-stop string of them since George 1. About the only thing that can be said is that they were slightly smarter than the Stuarts.
Yeah sure Pwince (Up)Chuck the serial adulterer, I will listen to your sage words. I think his attitude would be a tad different if he had to work for a living.

mitchel44
February 5, 2010 6:37 am

Can’t resist.
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cynical bastard
February 5, 2010 6:39 am

Was the train driven by one Rajendra Pachauri?
And is Prince Charles quickly becoming King Canute? 😀

Ross
February 5, 2010 6:41 am

I suspect that HRH is an avid reader (in private) of Pachauri’s novels. What a buffoon. How dare a man with only a couple of brain cells challenge the Enlightenment? I earn my living, I slaved for all my degrees, including my PhD. What have you ever done?
Try and understand the Enlightenment, you ninny, and then try and do some thinking if you can.
Still, the rogues gallery gets better and better: Prince Charles, Al Gore, Rajendra Pachauri, Michael Mann, Phil Jones and Osama Bin Laden are in agreement. With friends like these….
On a far more interesting subject, Richard North today introduced us to this wonderful acronym: DFWN

JonesII
February 5, 2010 6:42 am

His father´s words
“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
– Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, patron of the World Wildlife Fund
“If the world pollution situation is not critical at the moment, it is as certain as anything can be that the situation will become increasingly intolerable within a very short time. The situation can be controlled, and even reversed; but it demands cooperation on a scale and intensity beyond anything achieved so far.“ – The Fairfield Osborne Lecture by HRH Prince Philip

Roger Knights
February 5, 2010 6:45 am

Ken Harvey (00:12:12) :
Don’t mock the man, a simpleton who has been taken in by able fraudsters. I know far too many people better blessed with intellect than he, who have been taken in, hook line and sinker, by the same fraudulent theorists.

Blinded by science.

Disclothe
February 5, 2010 6:46 am

Prince Charles is no less barmy than others elitists and their envious detractors. Following the AGW war is better than world wrestling – the ascended condescend to the common. The common spitoons upon the ascended. One side demands obedient worker bees, the bees rail against the power elite.
From a distance its “Bedtime for Bonzo” – elites scamper after the monkey, the monkey climbs to higher ground and colossal food fight ensues. A virtual comedy of galactic proportion! And the ratings are terrific.

JonesII
February 5, 2010 6:48 am

Are these fools and the self-indulging UN bureaucrats who are going to rule upon us, after their global governance goal is achieved? Come on!

PR
February 5, 2010 6:53 am

We American’s have our share of idiotic political elitists. But unlike the poor Brits, we can dump them after four years. I feel your pain.

February 5, 2010 6:56 am

I was a “wet” sceptic, until I saw his presentation in Manchester on the TV news last night. Now I am totally convinced that AGW is a hoax (fraud?). Charlie’s comments will, I’m glad to report, drive the waverers/don’t knowers into seeing that this is bad science. Let’s face it, with Gore (fail US polititian), Prescot (failed UK polititian) and Charlie (failed at everything royalty) on thier side, the AGW brigade don’t stand a chance!!

February 5, 2010 6:59 am

I think all of the smarts have been bred out of his side of the family.
If it were not for Diana, his sons would not have the smarts they do.
But it is true….Prince Charles is the royal village idiot.
“Umm….Charles about that train thingy you arrived on.” Hahaha that was such a funny quote!
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Bryan
February 5, 2010 7:00 am

I thought all the Neanderthal flat earthers were right wing sceptics!
Wing nut Charles must have got mixed up somehow.

Lonnie Schubert
February 5, 2010 7:03 am

“I’m not willing to play Russian Roulette over climate change.” Charles, Prince of Whales
————-
So, we have a revolver pointed at our head; we have our finger on the trigger. Interesting dilemma. We know we have a trillion chambers in the revolver, and only one bullet. If we pull the trigger and fire the round, well…
However, if we fail to pull the trigger, our legs are cut off, and we run the risk of bleeding to death.
I think I’ll pull the trigger.

Disclothe
February 5, 2010 7:03 am

Charles is just one poor player in this charade. Watching these two factions – ascended elite and their nemesis worker bees, is better than the WWF. Each decries the possession of the other – elites stubbornly defending their stony spoils and the busy bees, engorged with envy, demanding spoilage themselves.
AGW wars are proving to be a better draw than gladiators and lions. Galactic buffoonery at the heart of creation. Makes mortals look positively good.

February 5, 2010 7:03 am

Julian Flood:
Thanks for your spirited defense of the monarchy and Prince Charles and his architecture. I am sympathetic to what he says about the latter, being confined in an office with plate glass windows that do not open, condemned to breath in recycled air, the building-intake of which is a favourite haunt of smokers. He’s an easy target for his political and environmental views – like shooting goldfish in a bowl.
Alexej Buergin (01:35:57) :
“I would love to see a scientific debate about AGW between the Prince of Wales and Lord Monckton. But, as always, the warmer will welsh on participation. Talk about nomen est omen.”
I hate to play the ‘offense game” but due to my Welsh background I hate to see that use of the word.

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