Ummm Charles, about that train thingy you arrived on…

From the UK Express

PRINCE CHARLES ON CLIMATE CHANGE: GLOBAL WARMING SCEPTICS ARE ALL LIARS

Charles, who has campaigned on global warming for more than 20 years, said: “I have watched with growing dismay and alarm the glee with which the sceptics have leapt upon the recent news stories that question the science that climate change is man-made and suggesting it is nothing more than a myth.

Prince Charles: ‘I’m not willing to play Russian Roulette over climate change’

“Well, if it is but a myth, and the global scientific community is involved in some sort of conspiracy, why is it then that around the globe sea levels are more than six inches higher than they were 100 years ago?

“This isn’t an opinion – it is a fact.”

He added: “And, ladies and gentlemen please be in no doubt that the evidence of long-term and potentially irreversible changes to our world is utterly overwhelming.”

Charles spoke after arriving in Manchester by Royal Train pulled by a coal-fired steam locomotive, named the Tornado, which was rebuilt from a 1948 design.

Read the entire article at the UK Express


First let me say that I like trains. But Charles apparently has no clue about how such a pronouncement might be viewed by commoners when he’s apparently doing nothing to curb his own carbon footprint. Will Jim Hansen denounce him for riding on a  coal powered “death train”?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01299/train-york_1299795i.jpg
The Royal Train - click for more - image from the Telegraph

Charles also seems to think that sea level is a static feature of our dynamic Earth. Here’s a few reminders about sea level change the prince probably hasn’t discussed in polite conversations. He might also benefit from a visit to Israel, where sea level has been variable for the last 2500 years.

File:Post-Glacial Sea Level.png
Image: Global Warming Art

Here’s the last 9000 years which appear almost flat in the graph above due to scale used:

File:Holocene Sea Level.png
Image: Global Warming Art

In our current era, while sea level has in fact been rising, continuing the trend started thousands of years ago, it recently appears to have slowed a bit:

Image: University of Colorado

Clearly we live in the golden age of relative stability, but Earth is very seldom that way. The rise of  man just happened to get lucky…thanks to a warming world.

But who to believe, a coal powered prince or your own lying eyes?

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February 5, 2010 7:09 am

I’m a British citizen living in the USA. The day this twit becomes king I’m returning my passport.

John Silver
February 5, 2010 7:12 am

He said that in Manchester. Dr Guillotin was born in Manchester.
Karl Jung (and Sting) would call that “Synchronicity”.
I call it “Hilarious”.

richardb
February 5, 2010 7:15 am

Glad to see that you are all now agreed that the Earth has warmed and that sea levels are rising. I wonder what could possibly have caused it? Maybe an increase in atmospheric C02 by 38% over the past century could have had an impact.

Alan F
February 5, 2010 7:20 am

The science is settled! Cousins, no matter how distant, should never breed.

February 5, 2010 7:27 am

richardb (07:15:09) :
“Glad to see that you are all now agreed that the Earth has warmed and that sea levels are rising.”
Sea level rise has moderated, and is well below its trend line: click
So much for your speculation that CO2 causes the sea level to rise faster than normal.

Chris H
February 5, 2010 7:34 am

richardb (07:15:09) :
Glad to see that you are all now agreed that the Earth has warmed and that sea levels are rising. I wonder what could possibly have caused it? Maybe an increase in atmospheric C02 by 38% over the past century could have had an impact.
Chris H
or maybe not, is this your first visit here?

DirkH
February 5, 2010 7:35 am

“richardb (07:15:09) :
Glad to see that you are all now agreed that the Earth has warmed and that sea levels are rising. I wonder what could possibly have caused it? Maybe an increase in atmospheric C02 by 38% over the past century could have had an impact.”
The correlation of CO2 and “rising sea levels” only existed in the first place because they used tide gauges in a subsiding area – Hong Kong – at the IPCC. They (the IPCC’s post-normal scientists) made sure that their measurement is sufficiently broken from the start. Post-normal science uses post-normal evidence: Make sure that you measure in the wrong place, use a freak tree, use a tide gauge in a river delta arera, make sure you find freak samples you can fabricate the desired outcome from. The measurements are only an alibi. Once post-normal science has enough freak samples, it can apply slightly broken statistics until the desired output is fabricated, let it peer review by post-normal scientist buddies, publish, get more funding, produce more post-normal science.

Ross
February 5, 2010 7:37 am

richardb: yes, it could. Also, 38% more people have mobile phones now. So mobile phones must be the cause of GW. How many times does one have to repeat the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy in reasoning? There is no evidence that CO2 is the cause, and this is no evidence. However, if you, like HRH, wish to dispense with the Enlightenment, and presumably also the Scientific Revolution, lets dispense with reason, evidence, Popper, everything. Lets just go with our gut feelings, and damn the data, and suppress any data that does not support what we know in our gut to be true.

homo sapiens
February 5, 2010 7:40 am

Long ago I was informed by a member of the Eton College staff that Charles went to Gordonstoun because his intellectual capacities were well below those required to gain a place at Eton. I do not know if this is true, but everything he has said and done since the age of thirteen would seem to bear this out.
However there is no need to worry. As pointed out by other bloggers, should he become King he will have to keep his idiotic opinions to himself.

February 5, 2010 7:40 am

The ‘House of Windsor’ show is the worlds most expensive and longest running pantomime. Don’t knock it. Millions flock to London to see it bringing with it the accompanying economic boost. The queen served a purpose in WWII and is a voice of the little people but Charles and probably the rest of them are bit players in the pantomime. Long live the house of Windsor. Maybe Lady Di’s oldest son will succeed where his dad failed and actually think relevant thoughts. Charles talking to his plants is all you need to know about his science credentials. As he’s a bit of a weed perhaps he can hear them talking back but they probably say the same things we do!

Ray
February 5, 2010 7:46 am

We should not laugh about mentally challenged people…

EW
February 5, 2010 7:46 am

Roger Knights,
yet another architectural digression.
I’m not sure if the liquid glass would be the right thing for a stone protection. I can see that it may be very useful for making smooth surfaces smoother, but there was no mention of letting water vapors through.
Anyway – here is an essay from the Prince Charles’ favorite architect on the subject of the modern vs. neoclassical:
http://www.qftarchitects.com/essays/sevenmisunderstandings.php
Sounds reasonably. I remember reading somewhere that the beautiful cupola of Pantheon in Rome would not survive almost 2000 years when built from reinforced concrete.

DirkH
February 5, 2010 7:47 am

“DirkH (07:35:38) :
[…]
post-normal scientist buddies, publish, get more funding, produce more post-normal science.”
In other words, misappropriation of taxpayers funds, results are complete bunkum, yet used to inform the politicians who directed the funds the way of the scienctist impostors, leading to completely idiotic and inefficient decisions.

Mack
February 5, 2010 7:53 am

May I repeat a very apt comment made by someone on English blog re HRH Charles ?
” How can you treat this man as sane,he killed the Princess and married the dragon “

u.k.(us)
February 5, 2010 7:56 am

say what you will about british royalty, but i still can’t get over this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1159627/To-special-friend-Gordon-25-DVDs-Obama-gives-Brown-set-classic-movies-Lets-hope-likes-Wizard-Oz.html
they sure give thoughtful gifts.

JonesII
February 5, 2010 8:07 am

We all know he always makes right choices…

ditmar
February 5, 2010 8:07 am

Was it charles or phil thr greek that said when they reincarnate they hoped they would become a deadly virus to reduce world population. H1N1 perhaps. But is that a promotion from parasite?

Dave D
February 5, 2010 8:10 am

Is there ever a point where a “do nothing right, ever” guy gets old enough and distiguished enough that people actually begin to listen to him? I understand that this is off topic and has nothing to do with this esteemed Statesman er Royalty type, er civic minded gentleman who has accomplished so much good with his service – but I thought the question needed asking…
Almost like the Owner of the Lions football team, third generation Ford, I believe, will never be let to work in the car company – at all costs. But he’s fine to run a Football Enterprise, setting all kinds of performance records!

EW
February 5, 2010 8:18 am

Um – about the much worshipped Lady Di – she seemed to me much more foolish than Charles. Really.

Henry chance
February 5, 2010 8:21 am

http://www.fox.com/areyousmarter/features/
Give him a break. Let him outshine a 5th grader on Teevee.
Obama isn’t smarter than a 5th grader either. Pelosi? No way.
Obama mentioned the 10,000 dead by reason of tornadoes in Greensburg Kansas. Town was around 1,200 people
Actual dead as I recall weree aroun 11-12

Gail Combs
February 5, 2010 8:21 am

Steve J (20:52:45) :
“Anthony,
Great juxtaposition-
The Prince saddled by dogma vs. the studies of 2500 years of variation in sea level.
If he can live long enough he will see the level go down, at the next ice age if not before.”

If we are all darn unlucky he WILL see the sea level drop and he WILL be praying for “Global Warming”. No wait he, Al Gore, and Maurice Strong will find some way to blame the rest of us for the “Catastrophic Mann-made Ice Age”. He is certainly a sterling example of why inbreeding should be avoided when breeding livestock and why if inbreeding is used to fix a trait rigorous culling is mandatory.

Peter Miller
February 5, 2010 8:26 am

Guys
For the record, there is not too much Brit in Charles, he’s mostly German and Greek.
Being born into a highly dysfunctional family and burdened with a limited intellect means ………………………………

JonesII
February 5, 2010 8:27 am

You almost killed us all of laughing!
Mack (07:53:40) :
May I repeat a very apt comment made by someone on English blog re HRH Charles ?
” How can you treat this man as sane,he killed the Princess and married the dragon “

Just he got it the wrong way! ☺☺☺

Douglas DC
February 5, 2010 8:30 am

I’ve held that Charles idea of a perfect society would be the Castle on the hill
with He and Camilla in the royal coach,as they ride by the fields of happy
peasants toiling away,picking bugs off the plants,spreading the Castle’s
nightsoil on the fields..
Serf’s Up!…

February 5, 2010 8:35 am

Follow the money, Carbon taxes must be the largest relatively new source of money for the royal family. This must be protected at all cost. Remember, Charles sponsored the infamous Catlin Expedition to prove AGW. They have suckered the British people into paying and just because it is a hoax doesn’t matter.

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