From the “weather is not climate department” another report of ice further south than has been recently experienced. Here’s a picture from this China Daily news story:
From Maritime Global.net
CHINA PORTS FREAK WEATHER ALERT
By David Hughes
Published: Tue, 26 January 2010
Freak weather conditions and/or abnormal weather patterns have been reported in several parts of the world during recent months warns the American P&I Club. One of the latest examples is a significant build-up of sea ice in some major northern Chinese ports, the volume exceeding, it says, anything experienced in more than 30 years.
In an alert to its members, the club says the problem is centred around Bohai on the northern Yellow Sea coast, affecting ports such as Bayuquan and Dalian. At Bayuquan, patches of ice 500-600mm thick have formed in some places, while lesser patches have been seen in the immediate vicinity of the port.
Three icebreakers are working to avoid delays to ships, while the local Maritime Safety Authority is strictly supervising inbound and outbound vessel traffic.
Other northern ports – such as Jingtang, Caofeidian and Xingang – are said to be not so seriously affected. On January 17, the Chinese National Sea Weather Forecast Station reported that floating ice around Liaodong Gulf extended as far as some 60 nautical miles from shore, at Bohai Gulf around 22 miles, Northern Yellow Sea around 14 miles, and Laizhou Gulf around 33 miles.
However, with more cold weather fronts expected later, ice coverage around the Bohai coast could expand, according to the club’s correspondents in China, Huatai Agency & Consultant Services Ltd.
The club advises that vessels scheduled to call at northern ports, especially Bayuquan, should be ready for extreme temperatures and ensure Port State Control requirements are strictly followed to avoid unnecessary delay.
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Here’s another news story from AsiaOne News:
Bohai bay turns into block of ice
h/t to Ron De Haan (Note: please fix your email!!)
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With all the kings men laughing, (Obama ) what actually were they laughing about ?
Well with about half the country under snow, the other half wondering were they are going to get the money to pay the carbon taxes, and the politico’s are wondering which beach the ‘king’ is going to put his throne on,.
Thinking;
with the kings advisers, logic/mentality they will most probably pick a flooded Florida rock quarry.
Yep, we just got to keep in touch with, ah, what was that topic again ?
Re E.M.Smith (03:17:58) :
Duh, it is all very scientific, heat rises, north is up.
Re. Patrick Davis (03:22:54)
“And the “west” did not volunteer to “clean up”, it was forced into action,”
Who forced what. In democratic societies the citizens form a group and forced other groups (coorperations ) to change. China does not have that situation. So Smokey’s “we changed” is correct.
The problem of coorporations and “globalization” are very complicated with many pros and cons, kind of like climate, in many cases it was a clear choice for some business decision makers, move offshore or cease to exist.
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It’s truly ironic that the “environmental” movement is led mostly by socialists and former Communists (e.g., the German Green Party). As we found out after the Iron Curtain fell, and as the Chinese are demonstrating today, Communism is the worst enemy the environment ever had.
vjones (05:14:24) :
And you have verified with provenance that the historic station data sets used in those graphs are one and the same?
I can see problems in certain “edited” areas.
It will take an army of 10,000 a better part of a year to verify half of the station data used.
I know of no such effort.
We now see with modern sensing techniques that when cold air flows from the poles to be replaced by warmer air from surrounding areas two things happen:
i) The polar sea ice reduces because of the incoming warmer air.
ii) The sea ice around nearby land masses increases because of the outgoing cold air but much of that sea ice especially in the northern hemisphere is outside the polar region.
Thus to get a meaningful total sea ice figure we really need the sea ice coverage for the whole hemishere not just for the polar region itself.
It’s quite possible (indeed likely) that we see a record a low Arctic sea ice figure at the same time as we have a very high northern hemisphere sea ice figure.
E.M.Smith (02:58:38) : As I have cited many times, UN FAO paper relates temperatures, fish catches, to LOD and 55 cycles:
http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/005/Y2787E/y2787e01.htm
E.M.Smith (03:17:58) : So all you folks waking on frozen water, just cut it right out! You’re spoiling the ’specialness’ of the effect… Michael, Have you forgotten “ice-9”, ? They’ve obviously come up with some variant of it, so water in those pesky areas of “localized climate” variation, is freezing at higher temps! It’s obviously much warmer than we think it is. I’m surprised no one has come up with a new improved temperature scale to measure AGW, perhaps degrees Gaia, °G. Each degree would be 50% of a °F. We could set our thermostats at 136°G, and wouldn’t we be cozy. A balmy 70°F day could be a scorching 140°G. Record temps will go into the 200’s! Talk about a hockey-stick when the new temps are appended to the old record! Sounds like AGW statistical heaven to me.
rbateman (08:09:03) :
The data used in the maps is from:
for NOAA/GHCN V2.mean.z and v2.mean_adj.Z
for GISS the GHCN the V2.mean.z and the GIStemp combined/homogenised data file (which required a binary reader to convert to .txt). This is a version before GISS started to use USHCNv2.
Data for each station was handled via a data base and bespoke code first to knit different series together then to generate trends. The only thing ‘done’ to the downloaded data was an ‘audit’ of the seasonal and annual means, which showed there was some discrepancy between how these are SUPPOSED to be calcualted according to published methods and the actual results in the files, therefore all years for which there was even one missing month of data were removed from the record and the trends calculated without them, so that we were sure of using no ‘infill’ or ‘bias’ created by the respective institutions however accidental.
The database development and the mapping creation are documented here (respectively):
http://diggingintheclay.blogspot.com/2010/01/climate-database-development.html
http://diggingintheclay.blogspot.com/2010/01/mapping-global-warming.html
The point is to show in a different way the story told by the temperature trends in that actual data used by GISS to produce anomaly maps.
Its all about the BTUs.
Devilishly clever, those limeys.
I hope the Chinese don’t buy wind turbines.
These in Minnesota won’t work in cold weather.
http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1390565.shtml
Brand new @ur momisugly 300,000 each. The oil is stiff and they are shut down.
http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1390565.shtml
China, stick with coal. It won’t let you down.
David A (07:30:55) :
Re E.M.Smith (03:17:58) :
Duh, it is all very scientific, heat rises, north is up.
But I’ve got an Australian World Map, and it says that north is down.
Mind you, being Australian, it’s probably wrong. (runs to Mars for cover)
“David A (07:40:31) :
Re. Patrick Davis (03:22:54)
“And the “west” did not volunteer to “clean up”, it was forced into action,”
Who forced what. In democratic societies the citizens form a group and forced other groups (coorperations ) to change. China does not have that situation. So Smokey’s “we changed” is correct.
The problem of coorporations and “globalization” are very complicated with many pros and cons, kind of like climate, in many cases it was a clear choice for some business decision makers, move offshore or cease to exist.“
For a start “clean air” acts (US), power stations, cement factories and car makers just to mention a few. The “clean air” act forced car makers to install catalyic converters. Certain municipal waste processing centers which had burners had to install smoke stack scrubbers, similar with power stations (UK perspective). So without these Govn’t acts/policies, no-one would be forced to do something a diferent way.
And the fact that these acts/policies are in place in the “west” we now find much mfg going offshore to China and India.
The northern hemisphere sea ice anomaly looks really low
vjones (10:47:41) :
I understand what happens to a month when you remove 3 days, a year when you remove a month. That is why I go to such pains to pour through newsprint. Where climate is concerned, every day is precious. You cannot go back in time and resample, but you can look for corroborating/missing data. Not all data taken made it to the reports, and not all reports are accounted for. That is, the data is the signal, the noise is the gaps plus any errors in reading, siting, adjusting, modifying, etc.
Losing days, weeks and months out of station records is like rubbing salt in the afterwounds.
And that is why Time Out has to be called.
I do applaud the efforts to stop the wrecking ball from tearing into whole economies over GCM trickery and fudged data, but it won’t help us to truly get a handle on climate until as much of the data is rescued from the bonfires of AGW and the ravages of neglect.
I am truly disappointed in NCDC, who upon receiving my request and acknowledging correct station history, proceeded down the path of dividing by 2 to get to zero where being helpful counted the most.
Eli, I see your Northern and raise you a Global. http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg
It is Global that we are always talking about isn’t it? Current Global anomaly is about 1 million square miles, but it has generally been less. Average Global coverage looks to be roughly 20 Million square miles. Higher math here 1/20=5%. Can we say one standard deviation? Northern Hemisphere trend is greater than 1 sigma negative, but still not convincingly greater than natural variability.
Arctic airmasses have consistently drained south this season due to the AO, leading to a cold winter in populated areas. This limits damming of arctic cold, and it is probably warmer (and less icy) up there than it otherwise would be.
Triumphalism on either side of the argument has not been justified. In God We Trust-All others must bring data.
RE: “Eli Rabett”
The temperature above 80N looks “normal” right now, and well below freezing
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
As NASA says, “must be the wind”.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/03/nh-sea-ice-loss-its-the-wind-says-nasa/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/11/nasa-sees-arctic-ocean-circulation-do-an-about-face/
David A (07:40:31) :
Re. Patrick Davis (03:22:54)
“The problem of coorporations and “globalization” are very complicated with many pros and cons, kind of like climate, in many cases it was a clear choice for some business decision makers, move offshore or cease to exist.”
Go back a step, the US and EU corporations had to relocate over seas AFTER treaties such as WTO and NAFTA created no tariff open borders. We can thank the democrats (Clinton) for that one too. Tarrifs/Import duties kept the playing field even so products produced in polluting factories with slave labor were priced the same as home made products. Now manufacturing has been exported so most goods are produced in polluting factories with slave labor, the Tarrifs/Import duties are gone and the corporations pocket the increase in profits and the EU and the USA continue to get blamed for “Killing Mother Earth” despite the shutting down of our industry.
hswiseman (23:35:23) :
Eli, I see your Northern and raise you a Global. http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg
It is Global that we are always talking about isn’t it? Current Global anomaly is about 1 million square miles, but it has generally been less.
Then I’ll raise you!
Global sea ice is now close to its annual minimum, already lower than the last two year’s minima and there are only 3 lowet, and it is almost certain to become the second lowest (after 2006).