From WUWT on March 16, 2008, we found this article and it is now just getting national news exposure. I’m bringing it forward again since there has been a lot of activity in search engine traffic that has found its way here tonight.
Sean Hannity read from it during his Fox News show.
Read the original article here:
November 2nd, 1922. Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt.
@ur momisugly Dev (23:21:39)
I watched the video and I am simply amazed that the head of the MO makes more than the Prime Minister. How the bleep is that possible???
Is it just me;or does the Guardian article sound a bit like the parseing of
entrails?
For those that missed the Hannity show (like me), here is a video clip that includes the segment on the 1922 article. It is at the 2:10 point:
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/28241835/hannity-s-america-1-6.htm#q=arctic
I found it using the foxnews.com search engine. I hope the link works when I repost it here. By the way, there is no hat tip to WUWT.
I watched the video and I am simply amazed that the head of the MO makes more than the Prime Minister. How the bleep is that possible???
Well first off they currently get a lot extra from expenses (problems on this later as they all got caught with their fingers in the pot), plus a free house for during the week and free palace for the weekend (Chequers) etc etc
Then there is the money they make after being PM, the last chancer T Blair is now on £8M per annum as a conservative figure.
River clyde in Glasgow has frozen over, UKs temp is only 2 degrees C over Antartic. Salt is running out in Scotland, but its not much use as the temps are lower than required for the salt to work.
The cryosphere today comparison page seems to suggest that the sea ice is concentrating this winter, as comapred to the past two.
http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=01&fd=06&fy=2007&sm=01&sd=06&sy=2010
Might this affect the sea ice minimum in 2010
find somone in Norway:
http://ask.bibsys.no/ask/action/result?kilde=biblio&q=adolf+hoel
This might be of interest to readers:
On Oct. 2, 2008 I posted a clipping I found from the New York Times in 1884. What is curious about this article is that not only does it note retreating glaciers due to climate change, but it blames it “partly on the prolonged action of man on the earth”. Has anyone out there ever heard of a media account of someone blaming climate change on man prior to this date? Not I.
Here’s my post…
http://algorelied.com/?p=218
From the John Hirsh video, the most striking part to me (paraphrased):
Our performance bonus is not only based on forecasts and the like, but business models, etc.
AKA, the more money we receive from the public, private, and government, the better my bonus.
It is also striking to me how incredibly relentless Andrew Neil is. I wish we had more journalists like that!
Sean does endeavor to deliver the best information possible. Yes, at times he may pull information from WUWT. On the other hand, several members at the Hannity forums frequently link to WUWT as a source. That is good for public attention, to topic content, and to WUWT.
This thread has three linked references to WUWT in it.
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=66543181
Mr Lynn (05:47:29) :
Thanks for the reality! Thought that was what had happened.
Science changed somewhere around the mid 80’s. I could feel the change in current articles, magazines and books I was reading. I guess that was corporate / government take over of universities/grants and the fertile minds. Scientific America used to have great, great articles, all of them, in depth, with equations and totally explained fully the subject, that was in the old days.
Then they became something of a gigantic commercial. Foggy ideas, no details, all tied to products or proprietary arenas were millions and billions were to be made. Describing, not defining. I dropped my subscription in the mid 90’s. Couldn’t take it anymore. Very sad. Now most of the current science sites are but the same commercial over and over again.
Feels like I’m in a Groundhog Day warp.
Stephen Wilde: You wrote, “The mainstream only recently asserted in a Discovery Channel documentary that it was the human effect on the atmosphere that had sent the mid latitude jets poleward. That has been demonstrated to be wrong by the shift equatorward again.”
If it was demonstrated, there had to be some means of doing so. Typically, this is done with data, but you prefaced your reply with, “I don’t think the data exists in the form I would like to see it.”
I’ll be happy to look at the data in the form in which you are unhappy. A link?
Bob Tisdale (13:35:20)
I’d like to see the average global jet stream positions going back to say at least 1900 combined with tropospheric temperature variations over the same period and the cycle of El Nino and La Nina events over the same period.
There still wouldn’t be a perfect match not least because it is the net global situation for all the oscillations in every ocean combined that matters most and not just the PDO.
Can you recommend a source ?
I have observed the shifts in 1975 and 2000 with my own eyes in the real world and in weather charts. Many locations refer to the PDO regime shift but do not always acknowledge any link with the net latitudinal positions of the air circulation systems beyond seasonal variability.
Royal Navy ship records from the 17th Century are useful in establishing past storm tracks and somewhere I saw it asserted that during the LIA the ITCZ was situated much nearer to the equator.
It is also clear from historical records that civilisations prospered or fell as the air circulation systems moved latitudinally above them and moved them periodically from cold to warm or wet to dry and vice versa.
Peter of Sydney (03:36:02) :
It will all come down to this. In years to come when the climate has either cooled more or has not warmed much at all, the AGW alarmists will be laughed at like the clowns they are. It’s that simple.
Assuming that we are allowed to laugh at them… without being rounded up by green shirted thugs for thought crimes.
I have blogged reference to this item on WUWT and also posted a brief video clip ( 1 min 7 sec long ) of Sean’s comments.
http://penoflight.com/climatebuzz/?p=694
Regarding the history of attributing climate dynamics to human activity see the excellant essay by Hans von Storch and Nico Stehr “Towards a History of Ideas on Anthropogenic Climate Change” in the book Climate Development and History of the North Atlantic Realm” edited by Gerold Wefer, Wolfgang H Berger, Karl-Ernst Behre and Eystein Jansen published by Springer in 2002 ISBN is 3-540-43201-9.
From the Abstract:
“In this essay we show that the notion of anthropogenic climate change is not novel. Concerns about transformations of the Earth’s climate by human activities have been expressed since the 18th century Enlightenment and earlier.”
The paper has a rich bibliography, too.
Of course, gods and devils and humanity’s sinfulness have always been a standard explanation of climate dynamics. Sallie Baluinis has shown vividly how ‘witches’ were burnt alive at the stake throughout Europe for bringing on the cold. Brian Fagan in several of his books documents the use of human sacrifices (usually teenages of both genders) to stop the cooling, the drought, the floods or the warmings.
Stephen Wilde: In my comment of 13:35:20 I asked you for a dataset on which you are basing claims that “It is patently obvious that the global air circulation systems moved poleward from around 1975 and that resulted in a small amount of warming in the troposphere,” and “It is equally obvious that they started moving equatorward again as long ago as 2000 which is a fact that I noted at the time and that I have been proclaiming for two years now. That resulted in, first a pause in warming and now, probably a cooling.”
Yet in your reply to me at 14:21:35 you asked me for a data recommendation. Let me drop back to a more basic question. If you know of no data source, on what data are you basing your claims of latitudinal variations in “global air circulation systems”?
Contradicting Hirsh’s comment that the models had predicted the flat trend we’ve observed over this last decade, here’s a press release from the Met Office’s archives, courtesy of the Wayback Machine.
Understanding past climate boosts confidence in prediction
http://web.archive.org/web/20021021010859/www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/pr20001212.html
12 December 2000
Release number 448
“This model is still not perfect but, by successfully simulating past temperature changes, it demonstrates the credibility of our climate predictions”, said Dr. Stott. “Our predictions show that the current rate of warming of 2 to 3°C per century is likely to continue over the coming decades.
They did relatively little of that in Britain. The country wasn’t as susceptible as its neighbors to ideological frenzies and fanciful forays into the non-pedestrian domain. (E.g., broomstick-flying.)
TonyB (00:44:26) :
In sedimentary geology work, one of our tutors would turn a wet beer glass upside down on the wet bar (we were forever wet by beer). He would gently heat the glass with a lighter, slightly compressing the interior gas. One could then slide the glass long distances with a gentle push; or if the bar was tilted (as it so often seemed on those late nights) the glass would go exploring the slopes.
Overpressures between geological layers can assist one to slide over the other. We have no glaciers here so we are innocents, but I wonder if your description of the flowing glacier was related to an overpressure beneath it. Various others have written of the natural escape of several gases from the earth (helium is light and produced by alpha decay, methane we know about, CO2 in sedimentary piles would be sometimes expected, etc).
Just a thought.
RussP
Thanks! That must be one of the best links anyone has ever provided to me on WUWT.
Astonishing footage-this one below demonstrates changing attitudes to wild life-it is of a polar bear being captured and brought on board which I found quite disturbing.
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=9665
Tonyb
Geoff
I will use your elegant arguement next time anyone talks of glaciers in the modern era!
I think that example cited was purely caused by the warm weather which lasted for much of the 1920’s/30’s
Tonyb
I have now clarified the position regarding John Hirst’s claim that the Met Office claimed during the late1990s that there would be a levelling off of global temperature rise in the then forthcoming decade.
Although John HIrst is head of the Met Office, I am afraid he is mistaken on this point.
He may have misunderstood or misremembered a graph that the Met Office published in 2007, namely a ten-year look ahead from that date. To test their methodology, they used the same prediction process for previous years, namely (I think) 1986, 1995, 2005. All very sensible. However, these test results for previous years (‘hindcasts’) are on the same published graph as the 2007 prediction, and my suspicion is that John Hirst confused what the graph was saying. The graph is available here. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/science/creating/monthsahead/decadal/
I do find it worrying that the head of the Met Office should believe that his organisation predicted the current levelling off, when in fact it did no such thing, although Andrew Neil’s extremely aggressive and rather rude questioning may have led John Hirst to say something he did not quite mean.
@roger Knights (21:23:50) :
” Sallie Baluinis has shown vividly how ‘witches’ were burnt alive at the stake throughout Europe for bringing on the cold.
They did relatively little of that in Britain. The country wasn’t as susceptible as its neighbors to ideological frenzies and fanciful forays into the non-pedestrian domain. (E.g., broomstick-flying.)”
I think we in Britain were more generally sceptical about the reality of witchery but we still joined in – though we didn’t burn them, we hanged them as criminals rather than as heretics (as on the continent). So the alarmists still got their way, even then.