All six parts of the hour-long special aired during prime time Sunday night on Fox News featuring Steve McIntyre and Ross McKitrick are now online below. Both Phil Jones and Michael Mann ducked requests for interviews. I can perhaps understand Jones’ situation, since he has not been giving other interviews, but in Mann’s case he’s been on a media blitz writing op-eds for the Washington Post and giving interviews to dozens more. His bias, (or perhaps cowardice) is showing. If his work is so “robust”, why not defend himself in this venue?
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For WuWT readers just waking up to how tangled and corrupt this hoax is please come over to my site to see just a tip of the iceberg: Enron, Goldman Sachs, GE, Obama (through Chicago Climate Exchange) will make billions/trillions off of our backs, while regulating and taxing us – And allowing countries to pollute.
OT: NASA discovers upper atmospheric cooling due to slump in solar cycle.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/langley/news/releases/2009/09-101.htm
Chickening out was the smartest thing Mann has done in this whole sorry saga.
I just wish anyone other than Fox News had put this together.
Most people who think Fox is a credible source already think AGW is a hoax.
Most people who think AGW is real think everything that Fox says is indefensible political jibber-jabber.
Thanks for this, it was on at 2am over here and i was in me bed by then 🙂
Do you think they mean Mann Made Global Warming or Man Made ….
FOX did an excellent job explaining the heart of the issue.. the science is NOT settled, and WHY are we about to commit to EPA regulations in the face of all the evidence it is wrong, wrong, wrong..
I also like the expose on how the main advocates are in a conflict of interest position, ie, Maurice Strong and Al Gore, who will reap $$$$$$$$$$ from Cap and Trade.
Maybe he finally consulted a lawyer and was promptly told to zip it?
Mark
From NASA
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/coolingthermosphere.html
“A fundamental prediction of climate change theory is that upper atmosphere will cool in response to greenhouse gases in the troposphere,” says Mlynczak. .Scientists need to validate that theory.”
They do indeed, because what what comes next puts a large fly in the ointment!
“The TIMED measurements show a decrease in the amount of ultraviolet radiation emitted by the Sun. In addition, the amount of infrared radiation emitted from the upper atmosphere by nitric oxide molecules has decreased by nearly a factor of 10 since early 2002. These observations imply that the upper atmosphere has cooled substantially since then. The research team expects the atmosphere to heat up again as solar activity starts to pick up in the next year.”
So despite cries from the AGW crowd that the “sky is falling” e.g.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/11/the-sky-is-falling/
and it’s all down to CO2 and the Greenhouse effect, now we see it is not quite as simple as the Alarmists like to think -Again.
The only problem I see is that the accusations are not pointed enough. If a proxy diverges from the most recent (and presumably, the most accurate) data, then its value as a proxy is nil. What then, caused Mann to assert this proxy had any relevance? Simple. It presented the story he wished to tell. And when it ceased telling his story, he cut it off. Forget about the word “Trick”. What is the value of experimentation if you do not allow the data to tell its story, whatever that might be? Zero.
The unbridled confidence on the “warming” side of the DEBATE is really quite surreal. When I was a child I often wondered how, long ago, people could accept all those crazy superstitions. Their crazy logic often led people to burn women at the stake, or live in fear of sailing off the edge of the world, or to tremble at black cats, to put flowers up to their nose to prevent plague and drain blood to relieve sickness. Those people just accepted what they were told, even to the point of torture and murder. Well, I guess they still do even unto these “modern” times. And for as long as this has been going on there have always been sociopaths willing to take advantage of the gullible masses.
Not for one second do I believe the leaders at the top have any concern whatsoever about climate change, global warming or even pollution for that matter. There are $millions, $billions, even $trillions at stake depending on how far this is allowed to go. Y’all trust me on this: men start wars and get millions killed for that kind of dough. Hell, many men lie, cheat, steal and murder for little to no reward. What sort of mischief when trillions are at stake? Sigh. Just look at history for your answer.
I appreciate the souls at WUWT (and beyond) for working towards education and for fighting a very good and just fight. But I fear that “climate change” is simply one facet of a growing monster bent on annihilation. The concept of a devil character has never made more sense. I guess I, too, have fallen among the superstitious masses. Har har. [GULP]
“What luck for leaders that men don’t think.”
oxman: http://mynasa.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/coolingthermosphere.html
livescience.com had this interesting point in their story on this …
http://www.livescience.com/space/091217-agu-earth-atmosphere-cooling.html
I attribute the absence of Mann and Jones to the same reason why realclimate.com has McIntyre & McKittrick missing from their skeptics list, the good old fashion Amish “shun.”
Fox did a good job, but did not go into the science very much.
Helped confirm many of the AGW supporters will make a lot of money if controls go in place.
“Maybe he finally consulted a lawyer and was promptly told to zip it?”
– Mark T.
More than likely he has always seen the debate as primarily political as opposed to scientific, and as such sees no problem or hypocrisy in avoiding a Fox News special because of their perceived, and in my personal opinion correctly perceived, political bias. Problem is, who isn’t biased? Answer: no one. This is really just a continuation of the strategy to stifle or ignore anyone who might be in the least bit critical of their work. They can’t freeze Fox out of the peer review or the media business, hence ignore the special, and if it comes up question their bias and/or the credentials of those interviewed, and ignore equal but opposite problems on your own side.
Thanks for posting this .. our FOX out of Spokane did not air it (????). Will look at tonight.
When the AGW thing falls apart on of these years, it will be because folks like Anthony, Steve and many others. Much appreciated.
Clive
Neo (09:06:41) :
Uh, the underlying difference would be that Mann and Jones were probably invited to appear on Fox. The same cannot be said for RC.
^Richard A.: but Mann claims he is politically conservative.
Mark
Neo (09:04:07) Here too: TIMED measurements indicate that the amount of ultraviolet radiation emitted by the Sun has significantly decreased since the start of solar minimum. The amount of infrared radiation emitted by nitric oxide molecules has also declined, implying that the upper atmosphere has cooled
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00current.htm
There’s so much bad blood between Mann and McIntyre (I had forgotten Mann was the inspiration for McIntyre’s Starbuck’s Hypothesis) that any sort of meeting between them is likely evoke images of Teller and anti-Teller.
(Not Penn & Teller, it helps to be old.)
News is all about entertainment and less about news. Fox News is the only right-wing news outlet there is. Since it exposes the left, it is hated by the left. Michael Mann has chosen a position the big government commies on the left love, environmentalism. That is his cash cow, Mann is not so stupid as to know what Fox will do to him. Fox will expose him. All of the rest of the news stations are left-wing to various degrees. CNN is as close to center as you can get, and even they are very left. Since they expose the right, they are hated by the right. But the difference is, CNN, ABC, CBS, and NBC are so big the right has to work with them. MSNBC is to the left as Fox News is to the right. All are stupid and clearly biased. The only way to find out the dirty little secrets of the left or right is to watch the news that is opposite of the left and right.
The problem is for Michael Mann, Fox News has the biggest audience. Rupert Murdoch knows how to get ratings. Fox may be crazy, but Fox News is watched.
I learned a long time ago not to watch any of them. I used to listen to Glenn Beck, but then he started going really crazy. I mean Rush Limbaugh crazy. I couldn’t take it anymore. Then I tried to watch his program one night, and he actually is even crazier. To me, the only thing sadder than the eco-zealots is the people who take what is said on entertainment news at face value. It is sadder because such people can become zealots for a cause, that is the last thing this world needs.
Clive, it was the Fox News Channel, not your local Fox affiliate.
Thanks for this work, Anthony.
You can hold your head up high.
It is beholden to me to pronounce the inevitable sentence upon the accused. Courtesy of Merriam-webster.
Main Entry: un·man·ly
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Function: adjective
Date: 15th century
: not manly: as a : being of weak character : cowardly b : effeminate
— un·man·li·ness \-lē-nəs\ noun
Unmannly he was unmannly he is, unmannly he shall remain. Date: 21st century
vboring (08:48:44) :
“I just wish anyone other than Fox News had put this together.
Most people who think Fox is a credible source already think AGW is a hoax.”
– FOX claims that roughly half of their viewers are not “conservatives”, and that those viewers watch FOX to get real information.
I agree that the GW program was short on science. Most unfortunate, however, very good one-half show “skeptic” exposure! Even a draw on any of the TV shows is a great plus compared to what we’re used to getting: nothing, or derision.
I reviewed the Glenn Beck show from a couple weeks ago with Bolton and Monckton – the best so far, I believe. The Mc’s and Michael did very, very well yesterday.
The lack of “Believers” appearing really hurt the AGWers.
Mann is not the only one who has made a habit of chickening out.
Bolting from debate is pandemic with the warmists.
The few times they tried,they got their clocks cleaned out.
Overall it was an excellent documentary. It was one I enjoyed watching.