When the Guardian, that champion of everything “green” says it, you know it was a failure.
Excerpt:
The UN climate summit reached a weak outline of a global agreement last night in Copenhagen, falling far short of what Britain and many poor countries were seeking and leaving months of tough negotiations to come.
After eight draft texts and all-day talks between 115 world leaders, it was left to Barack Obama and Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier, to broker a political agreement. The so-called Copenhagen accord “recognises” the scientific case for keeping temperature rises to no more than 2C but did not contain commitments to emissions reductions to achieve that goal.
American officials spun the deal as a “meaningful agreement”, but even Obama said: “This progress is not enough.”
“We have come a long way, but we have much further to go,” he added.
The deal was brokered between China, South Africa, India, Brazil and the US, but late last night it was still unclear whether it would be adopted by all 192 countries in the full plenary session.
The agreement aims to provide $30bn in funding for poor countries to adapt to climate change from next year to 2012, and $100bn a year after 2020.
But it disappointed African and other vulnerable countries who had been holding out for far deeper emission cuts to hold the global temperature rise to 1.5C this century. As widely expected, all references to 1.5C in previous drafts were removed at the last minute, but more surprisingly, the earlier 2050 goal of reducing global CO2 emissions by 80% was also dropped.
The agreement also set up a forestry deal which is hoped would significantly reduce deforestation in return for cash. It lacked the kind of independent verification of emission reductions by developing countries that the US and others demanded.
Obama hinted that China was to blame for the lack of a substantial deal. In a press conference he condemned the insistence of some countries to look backwards to previous environmental agreements. He said developing countries should be “getting out of that mindset, and moving towards the position where everybody recognises that we all need to move together”.
Read entire story at the Guardian here
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Now compare what the Guardian has written, to what Obama says:
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My summary of the Copenhagen Climate Conference is just a bit less wordy.
Yet in Inuviak (sp?) north of quebec, the temperature is 30*C+ above normal. plus 2C yesterday……
Galen Haugh (20:58:06) :
“It would also have crippled the US economy had we gone along with it, and we’d never be able to pay off the huge debt owed the Chinese. Either way it went, it wasn’t good for the Chinese.
So they said “Nyet” after conferring with their Russian neighbors, who have energy-exportion ambitions of their own and suspicions about the “science” too. China deflected criticism by saying they would not give up their national sovereignty.”
I never thought in my lifetime that I’d see a point when we should look to China as the leader of rational thought in international relations. I wish our glorious leader would be 10% as pragmatic and even slightly concerned with our sovereignty.
What a wonderful demonstration in Copenhagen of the glories of one world governance! So this is how the greenies/lefties think we should organize the world? I don’t think so
Here’s your choice: A democratic anarchy of the oligarchy like COP15 where competing interest can never be resolved, or an appointed autocracy that can make decisions but never answers to the citizenry.
Your choice!
“Gordon Brown hailed the night as a success on five out of six measures”
That doesn’t sound very encouraging… 🙂
I notice that the comment recommendations are strongly in favour of the sceptics. Do you suppose the moderators take any notice, or just redouble their efforts to silence the more effective ones?
Here’s a great little article from James Delingpole. Follow some of the links under the various journalists’ names!”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100020337/copenhagen-the-sweet-sound-of-exploding-watermelons/
Actually Copenhagen has been extremely successful for the globalist elites who now own us, thanks to our dumbed down, fluoride addicted idiot, idol worshipping peoples who are intent on marching into their own doom.
They have managed to squeeze out a commitment from “the Nations” (yes, I mean that in the biblical sense – that’s us scumbags by the way the “United Nations”) to a progressively increasing global tax aledgedly to be spent on “stopping the planet from warming by more than 2 degrees”.
Ermmm, hello!? Don’t you realise what is happening here. [snip] Stop the planet from changing temperature? Excuse me while I rearrange the positions of some of my favourite galaxies why we are at it. Can I have some money for that please?
I was watching Sky “News” (sic) this morning (it was on at a freind’s house, I don’t have it at home). I cannot beleive the blatent, Hilteresk propaganda about climate change, and “doing your bit”, with a popular celeb telling people how self-evident climate change is in Africa and at the launching of Sky’s new weekly updates of the UK’s emmissions [I am not joking, they are actually going to have a “feel-guilty-ometer” updated weekly to brainwash our kids into willingly paying huge taxes to an unelected bunch of Satan worshippers who want to kill 90% of the people on the planet – check out the Georgia GuideStones and related media].
Don’t you realise how serious this is? We are becoming 1930’s Germany here – most people don’t even seem to realise it. The evidence is of this is abound.
Do something before they come for your children. Probably beginning with voluntary restricted birth and followed by increased additions of sterilisers to the water supply, and then by physical sterilisation requiring a permit to procreate and of course a prison sentence for anyone who says they don’t want to pay this stupid tax to Satan’s little helpers.
AdderW (09:04:29) :
that is Bonn, Germany in 6 months, Mexico in a years time
Bonn, Germany? I think they already had one there in June. But yes, COP16 will be in Mexico City next November, unless Gore, Brown, and others convince them to hold it next summer. Of course! Think of the propaganda value of all those folks, sweat dripping from them because the air conditioners “broke”. They could have all kinds of ice sculptures shipped in, at great expense so they can say “See? The ice is MELTING! This is what’s happening now to our ice caps and glaciers.” They could even arrange them so the water would run to an area with mock-ups of cities, so people could watch them “flood”. Oh, the possibilities are endless.
the scientific case for keeping temperature rises to no more than 2C
I’m fine with that, as long as I get to chose “which thermometers” …
Pamela Gray (08:52:23) :
“……will have to come up with a new University that figures out a new formula to cause the temperature to drop 2 C”
No, now all they have to do is nothing ie it won’t rise by 2 deg C. Thinking about it they would probably mess that up as well.
Dermot Carroll (06:13:34) :
“One thing that concerns me about this, is how the third and developing world sees the west/developed world.”
Several of the potential responses:
– Who cares? Didn’t you see the reaction to the $100B/year offer… “Why that’s not nearly enough, you capitalist pigs!
– The dictators will be pissed because their budget fie palaces will be lowered.
– It’s all Kabuki theater. The total game is about money transfers. The rest is just an act.
I don’t really ‘do’ conspiracy theories,
Using Occam’s Razor, cock ups are usually the reasons for weird and ridiculous things.
But despite the over – the – top style of this US TV series, there are interesting parts of this six part programme.
Not least Dick Lindzen & Christopher Monckton!
son of mulder (03:02:13) :
” P Gosselin (01:33:02) :
Consider it dead and buried.”
No, consider it like the fairground game… as the head of one clown is bashed down another will pop up somewhere else.
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CAWG’s impetus has been lost. It’s seen as a losing, time-wasting issue. The trendies and camp followers will take notice and drop away. The tide has turned. There will still be waves assaulting the shore, but they won’t reach the high-water mark. I see four positive results:
1. CAWG activists will lose their ability to muster the troops in large CO2 demonstrations, letter-writing campaigns, boycotts, etc.
2. This will strengthen the hand of those within environmental organizations who are not dioxide dystopians, so less stress will be put on the CO2 issue.
3. Only in the context of an international agreement of some sort is the EPA’s proposed regulation legally defensible. (EPA’s head has already conceded in testimony that unilateral US action would be inconsequential.) It could therefore be challenged in court on that ground.
4. It will be less dangerous for scientists and journals to publish non-consensus findings, for public figures to express doubts, etc. Hitherto, there was a need by alarmists to minimize defections and present the appearance of a united front in order to avoid undermining the prospects for success at Copenhagen. Now that a treaty seems out of reach, there won’t be such a strong motive to “whip” defectors and renegades into line. Over time, the consensus will de-laminate.
First Fallout: On Fox News “Bill Nye The Science Guy” was talking about how it’s too hard to get a treaty by it’s important for the USA to lead… He was winding up to what I expect was to be an “EPA needs to act” but got cut off for an Obama speach about health management…
But I think this points where the spin is headed: “The USSA has to go it alone via the EPA to set a good example.”
Copenhagen is over, time to move on to the EPA…
(Oh, Obama now pumping the “progress” in Copenhagen. Hyping ‘clean engergy economy and legislation’… “we’re leading” rahrah..)
savethesharks (19:36:19) :
“…Total storm snowfall totals of 1 to 2 feet are forecast to occur
in the Baltimore-Washington metropolitan areas by dawn Sunday… which
should eclipse the December records for both cities. The record
December snowfall for Washington is 12.0 inches on 18-19 December
1932… and for Baltimore to record is 14.1 inches on 12-13 December 1960.
“Weather constraints”……heh heh.
I’m sorry but this is too…..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. LOL LMAO ROLF…”
Reply: I agree, too funny for words…
However, we must not take our eye off the ball, as the next scam starts to be activated. Never forget that we, the population of the globe, have to embrace world government if it is to succeed. CAGW only failed because the climate failed to cooperate and caused scepticism to grow to epidemic proportions.
Sean Peake (00:04:55) :
“This battle may be won but the war still rages. Let’s not get too smug. There are powerful forces afoot and we are badly outnumbered. Lets keep pressing forward. If we lose focus they will gain the advantage. This is not a victory, it is a diversion.”
I think you’re right. This debate was never about AGW, rather it is about power and money. However, we are not outnumbered. It’s the other way round, we are many and they are few. We just need to organise ourselves better.
Anyone got any idea what they’ll try next?
Jeremy (20:27:25) :
The BBC are asking for your opinion, however, they filter on many words like hoax etc. The thought police are trying to ensure that comments remain positive.
“Welcome to duloc such a perfect town here we have some rules, let us lay them down, don’t make waves, stay in line, and we’ll get along fine, duloc is a perfect place”
And the UK used to allow free speech! Now it is turning positively FASCIST.
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And don’t even think about taking photo’s any more. Surface Stations Project in the UK? Forget it! Or maybe just do it to make a point. But do expect to be arrested and detained under anti-terror legislation if you do. Think I’m joking? Do some easily done research on the internet and find out about the state of photography in the UK.
“Well, the snow’s sure settled! What was that about the science?”
@Mark_0454
10 to 1? Are you kidding? It would seem from the comments that Michael Mann’s credibility is completely in the toilet.
The best thing for him to do is to
1) keep very quiet for a while
2) get some legal counsel, because Uncle Sam and PennU may have some questions for him re. (Federal) funding for his research
3) practice flipping burgers. He may need the skills.
The last-minute deal they “salvaged” will be “cold comfort” (a possible headline) to CAWGers.
Brian (08:27:46) :
“The green movement will consider anything but the absolute destruction of mankind to be a “failure” in some respect. I’m ashamed to admit I once counted myself among their numbers.”
Welcome to the dark side. Here’s a couple of tips:
1) When Al Gore speaks, just ask yourself “Would I buy a used planet from this man?”
2) Over here, we don’t have Schneider’s pesky ethical dilemma of deciding between honesty and effectiveness.
3) You can posit an argument without having to link it to the deaths of thousands of children if your agenda doesn’t happen.
4) Over here, you can call them as you see them. Temperature declines don’t have to be described as “masks for heat that is in the pipeline”. Increases of polar ice do not have to be referred to as an “accelerating decline”
5) The phrase “specious and without merit” is never used here.
6) Most difficult for new members of the dark side is adapting to the non-use of circular arguments. Strangely, when Briffa says that we assume an anthropogenic cause of treering divergence to prove anthropogenic warming, we merely shake our heads and say, [snip]
Again welcome! It will take some time to shake the crap off.
The agreement aims to provide $30bn in funding for poor countries to adapt to climate change from next year to 2012, and $100bn a year after 2020.
And how much of this taxpayer money ‘for poor countries’ will be spent on a (democratically unaccountable?) bureaucratic supra-national ‘global governance’ structure? How much will be spent on lining the private pockets of corrupt Third World dictators?
BBC news website currently has Copenhagen non agreement as lead story, trouble its not in the 10 ten read stories.
No ones interested !!!!
Top not ten
opps
http://www.infowars.com/copenhagen-accord-establishes-global-government-framework/
Although the final Copenhagen agreement is largely being dismissed as a failure by both the mainstream media and climate skeptics, it does establish the framework for a global government which will control climate finances via taxes on CO2 emissions, as Lord Monckton warned on The Alex Jones Show this week.
Monckton said that the main goal of Copenhagen was to “establish the mechanism, the structure, and above all the funding for a world government.”
“They are going to take from the western countries the very large financial resources required to do that.” Monckton said, adding “They will disguise it by saying they are setting up a $100 billion fund for adaptation to climate change in third world countries, but actually, this money will almost all be gobbled up by the international bureaucracy.”
The final text of the accord states that funds obtained from climate financing will be controlled by a “governance structure,” and that a “High Level Panel” will be appointed to decide where the money will come from. In effect, this means that a UN-controlled structure of global governance will override the sovereignty of nation states in collecting and doling out funds obtained under the justification of climate change.
As Monckton explained, these funds will come from a global tax on financial transactions and a tax on GDP. Earlier draft versions of the agreement spelled this out in detail, but the final version leaves it more vague, merely stating the funds will be collected “from a wide variety of sources, public and private, lateral and multilateral.”
As information that was leaked in the first few days of the conference revealed, the money will not even go to the UN, but it will go straight to the IMF and World Bank who will then lend it at loan shark rates to poorer countries, thus further indebting them to the global government and advancing climate colonialism.
The agreement also gives the green light for carbon trading markets, which as we have documented are all owned by climate kingpins like Maurice Strong and Al Gore, to be more heavily financed and expanded.
Many elements of the final text have been watered down and the agreement has little teeth in terms of enforcing national limits on CO2 emissions, which is why many in the skeptic camp are celebrating the apparent failure of the conference.
The Club For Growth organization said that Obama’s failure to get developing nations to agree to more draconian measures has “probably saved thirty million jobs” in America.
“I am greatly relieved that the last-minute agreement President Obama negotiated is being widely described as ‘meaningful.’ When politicians call something ‘meaningful,’ that means it isn’t,” states their press release.
However, Copenhagen delegates have already promised to convene another series of meetings next year to strengthen what is spelled out in the final agreement.
Globalists are persistent and they will continue hammering away until they get what they want, not because the environment is on the verge of collapse, but because their agenda for world government is stalling as more people find out the true agenda behind the global warming scam.
This is why we need to be more vigilant than ever and keep the elite on the back foot. While it’s true that the globalists have failed to achieve the entirety of what they set out for, they are still moving forward with their agenda by taking baby steps rather than giant leaps.
We have slowed the juggernaut of global government, but it continues to grind forward, which is why we need to continue to awaken more people so that we can have greater strength in pushing back and resisting the tyranny that the globalists want to enforce by taxing and regulating the very life-giving gas that we all breathe.
pdf version here:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/science/20091219-climate-text.pdf
“Derryman said, I suggest that for all their wailing we won’t see too many Greenpeace activists protesting in Tiananmen Square.”
… The Chinese have a two-word answer for activists that Greenpeace protesters find totally convincing: “Chinese gulag”.
no surprise that the whole thing was a failure. any time you have competing interests involved, there is a risk this can happen. it’s all REALPOLITIK
there’s a great blog posting on the Copenhagen fiasco here:
http://bit.ly/7Iwspk
Tenuc (10:47:57) “We just need to organise ourselves better.”
“We” are a very diverse bunch who have wide-ranging fundamental “internal” disagreements – somewhat of a loose & ephemeral federation that may one day fly apart after serving a(n important) transient purpose. Alarmist operatives have access to massive financial resources; “we” do not.
The time is ripe for the emergence of new, more pure, competing environmentalisms. [It is telling that the spell-checker does not even recognize the plural of this word – unity is assumed.]
“Grassroots groups driving China’s green leap forward”
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20091218/china_environment_091218/20091219?hub=TopStoriesV2
The word “grassroots” should not be taken literally. An important aspect of “grassroots” activity is the channeling of sufficient resources to key operatives. We can learn from Chinese culture about pragmatism.
Both harmony & dissonance are found in the beauty of nature and diversity is the key to survival. The environmental movement needs a shot of internal competition.
Initially, the funding for competing environmental thinking might come from the right. This can stimulate a left rethink about where uniformity has gone wrong. For context: I am a liberal, an ecologist, & an environmentalist (as well as an independent climate researcher) who is asking the right for leadership on this file because the left has fumbled the ball so badly. I am also asking China to help the West bring about a more sober era. Diversity, accomplishable through recombination, is the key to survival. As Putin said, we stand solidly looking to the future. Risk is part of the beauty of nature and it need not be cause for alarm.