Guardian Headline – Low targets, goals dropped: Copenhagen ends in failure

When the Guardian, that champion of everything “green” says it, you know it was a failure.

Click for the story at the Guardian UK


The UN climate summit reached a weak outline of a global agreement last night in Copenhagen, falling far short of what Britain and many poor countries were seeking and leaving months of tough negotiations to come.

After eight draft texts and all-day talks between 115 world leaders, it was left to Barack Obama and Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier, to broker a political agreement. The so-called Copenhagen accord “recognises” the scientific case for keeping temperature rises to no more than 2C but did not contain commitments to emissions reductions to achieve that goal.

American officials spun the deal as a “meaningful agreement”, but even Obama said: “This progress is not enough.”

“We have come a long way, but we have much further to go,” he added.

The deal was brokered between China, South Africa, India, Brazil and the US, but late last night it was still unclear whether it would be adopted by all 192 countries in the full plenary session.

The agreement aims to provide $30bn in funding for poor countries to adapt to climate change from next year to 2012, and $100bn a year after 2020.

But it disappointed African and other vulnerable countries who had been holding out for far deeper emission cuts to hold the global temperature rise to 1.5C this century. As widely expected, all references to 1.5C in previous drafts were removed at the last minute, but more surprisingly, the earlier 2050 goal of reducing global CO2 emissions by 80% was also dropped.

The agreement also set up a forestry deal which is hoped would significantly reduce deforestation in return for cash. It lacked the kind of independent verification of emission reductions by developing countries that the US and others demanded.

Obama hinted that China was to blame for the lack of a substantial deal. In a press conference he condemned the insistence of some countries to look backwards to previous environmental agreements. He said developing countries should be “getting out of that mindset, and moving towards the position where everybody recognises that we all need to move together”.

Read entire story at the Guardian here


Now compare what the Guardian has written, to what Obama says:


My summary of the Copenhagen Climate Conference is just a bit less wordy.


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Gary Hladik
December 18, 2009 6:53 pm

Aw, shucks! 🙂

December 18, 2009 6:54 pm

“Because of weather constraints” = Crushing Blizzard

December 18, 2009 6:56 pm

Everyone involved at the Copenhagen Summit should be a little more rational click the link for further commentary

December 18, 2009 6:57 pm

The politics isn’t settled either…

December 18, 2009 6:58 pm

Early Christmas present.

Brent Matich
December 18, 2009 7:05 pm

I was just thinking about Nelson, with all the snow in Copenhagen and Obami rushing back to Washington before the snow storm. So , maybe if I had a couple of trees in my front yard I could be paid , like , a couple hundred thousand for not cutting them down. Let’s hear it for the climate summit!
Brent in Calgary

December 18, 2009 7:06 pm

There is still damage that these incompetents can wreck upon the world. Do not trust them!

James F. Evans
December 18, 2009 7:09 pm

“Collapse at Copenhagen”
Playing at a theater near you.
Review: A sterling example of an inconvenient truth.

December 18, 2009 7:09 pm

So, there’s nothing even close to binding limits on emissions, and no setup for emissions reduction verification, but we’ve agreed to send the developing world billions of dollars (more) a year? Because there’s been no fraud already by China or other countries on money for emissions reductions or carbon offsets? Will the US borrow money from China to give money to…China?

James Sexton
December 18, 2009 7:12 pm

“But it disappointed African and other vulnerable countries who had been holding out for far deeper emission cuts to hold the global temperature rise to 1.5C this century.”
It always fascinates me to see that at least the writer believes and it is implied that many in Africa believes we can actually control the global temperatures. Has anyone really thought it through? Even if the AGW theory is correct(I don’t believe it to be) how does man go about preventing CO2 emissions without significant and radical changes not only to our economic world and lifestyles but even the ecological world we live in. How is CO2 emission reductions practically applied? Has anyone logically expressed how this is to occur without wiping out most of the human race?

December 18, 2009 7:14 pm

Can Obama get anything done? Chicago Olympic disaster, the Asia trip. COP15…
Oh yeah I forgot… he was able to deploy more troops in Afghanistan.

December 18, 2009 7:16 pm

We may be aware that the summit was a failure, but that isn’t what is being said in the msm. I thought the video just shown on CNN was indicative. Robert Gibbs trying in vain to get “his guys” (CNN etc) admitted to no avail in the face of Chinese strong arming. Gibbs said something along the lines of; “either my guys get in, or we’re leaving the meeting.” Apparently, no US media was admitted, and the meeting went ahead anyway… More empty threats that the Chinese wisely ignore. Still being heralded as a “breakthrough” due to Obama’s visit.
What a farce.

December 18, 2009 7:17 pm

Any money spent on lowering CO2 emission is a waste, in my opinion. So, let’s not celebrate this “failure” as a good thing. Sure, we the skeptics, want less toxic gas emission and super efficient vehicles and power plants just like everybody else but we say no to carbon credits and cap and trade because it’s a gigantic scam.

Mike McMillan
December 18, 2009 7:17 pm

As they used to say on our Air Force efficiency evaluations –
“Sets low goals and fails to achieve them.”

December 18, 2009 7:20 pm

I should have mentioned that Gibbs was trying to get the US press in for a photo of Hu Jintao meeting with Obama earlier today.

December 18, 2009 7:21 pm

Already the tone of voice has changed over at the Guardian, comments are a bit on the apologetic side.
Is Michael E. Neumann, sorry, Mann desperately trying to save his bacon ?
Washington Post – same old mantras
Environmental Research Web – regurgitate

Dane Skold
December 18, 2009 7:22 pm

Fantastic news.
This result is typically European. In the end, the global community organizers are an ad hoc, brittle coalition.
Hard to comprehend that the $100 Billion offered by the U.S. was not enough to do a deal.
Obama could not fund the climate government despite offering $100 Billion.
What has our world come to?
Since there is $100 Billion in play, would that it be spent on bonafide school construction and bona fide infrastructure repair in the U.S.of A.
It is a shame that 195 governments gathered in one place for two weeks and failed to resolve border disputes, civil wars, human rights violations, and the endless tragedy of refugee camp suffering.
What a wasted opportunity!
As for the climate, may God bless the entire globe with favorable weather for food, recreation, and beauty.

Brian P
December 18, 2009 7:22 pm

A few years and even this will fade away

December 18, 2009 7:24 pm

Gary Hladik (18:53:13) :
Aw, shucks! 🙂

The joke was about sour grapes, if you recall 🙂

Robert M
December 18, 2009 7:26 pm

Well, darn! It was pretty much a dismal failure.
I was hoping for a complete dismal failure, but I guess it wasn’t quite as bad as we thought.

Richard M
December 18, 2009 7:27 pm

The Jay Leno show tonight even took a shot at the AGWers. Quite funny.
I’m beginning to think Obama is really a skeptic. He could have been much more forceful in his speech. Maybe he has looked into the leaks and finds them troublesome. Clearly, for political reasons he can’t outwardly look skeptical, but I think he has been influenced.
Thank you Mr. ClimateGate wherever you are.!

Doug in Seattle
December 18, 2009 7:29 pm

Thank you Al Gore for making the weather in Denmark so delightful. Thank you Obama for doing what you do so well – failing.

Stan Needham
December 18, 2009 7:31 pm

But, but, but, but……..the AP said it was an “unprecendented” agreement.

December 18, 2009 7:35 pm

The absolute scientific ignorance and gullibility of Western leaders is only matched by the sheer obstinate stupidity of journalists. Apparently in both industries it is a survival characteristic. Not so much for the rest of us.

December 18, 2009 7:35 pm

Funny, I just heard a live performance of Handel’s Messiah.
The Hallelulia Chorus was being played, LIVE..chorus and orchestra.

December 18, 2009 7:36 pm

From the Guardian:
“But he [Obama] said he would not be staying for the final vote because of weather constraints in Washington.”
From the DC NWS Broadcast:
… Record breaking December snowfall for Baltimore-Washington
metropolitan areas bringing hazardous winter weather to the region
overnight and Saturday…

Total storm snowfall totals of 1 to 2 feet are forecast to occur
in the Baltimore-Washington metropolitan areas by dawn Sunday… which
should eclipse the December records for both cities. The record
December snowfall for Washington is 12.0 inches on 18-19 December
1932… and for Baltimore to record is 14.1 inches on 12-13 December 1960.

“Weather constraints”……heh heh.
I’m sorry but this is too…..
Norfolk, VA, USA

December 18, 2009 7:37 pm

…recognizing the scientific view that the increase in global temperature below 2 degrees…
…deep cuts in global emissions are required according to science, and as documented by the IPCC Fourth Assessment report…
Where’s the escape clause? What if the science is not settled?

December 18, 2009 7:39 pm

Ditto your HA HA!
And may I add my heartiest and most heartfelt BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAH!
Now I’ll just settle back and wait happily for the footage of the DC blizzard and The One’s trying to dodge ithatinconvenience.

Erik Anderson
December 18, 2009 7:39 pm

Ironically, WSJ headline was “Leaders Strike Climate Deal” — but is now reading “Climate Pact Falls Short”

Roger Carr
December 18, 2009 7:42 pm

All I want for Christmas is me incandescent light bulbs back.
(Heck with my two front teeth.)

December 18, 2009 7:43 pm

It’ll be interesting to see how RC spins this one 🙂

December 18, 2009 7:43 pm

“Climate change skepticism in action”
I guess we really couldn’t have asked for much more for Christmas… everyone say thank you Santa Clause!

December 18, 2009 7:43 pm

I sense that the web that was weaved by all the intents to deceive is going to get a baseball pitched through it. Poor morons that think you can fool all the people all the time….

December 18, 2009 7:44 pm

Cool, pun intended… now, if we can just have time to get the data corrected, which will show a USA, as well as a global temperature decline since at least 1934, we will continue to be well within the 2 degree limit.
The scary thought is, what will they now use to collect the trillions for the world global socialist experiment? The climate, (warming, or cooling, or holding fast), set aside, the demand for the trillions to prop up the worlds failing socialist nations, is never going to go away! Maybe back to the 70s cooling?

December 18, 2009 7:46 pm

Since they call cooling “warming”, then we are entitled to call their failure a great success.

D. King
December 18, 2009 7:46 pm

As D. King I decree:
The temperature shall not rise more than 2C.
As I have said it, so it shall be!
King Canute, I am laughing at thee.

Keith Minto
December 18, 2009 7:48 pm

I thought that Obama’s voice was strained and labored especially at the start of the video and in an earlier audio statement he made when he first arrived. The Australian press are cynical, this is what Annabel Crabbe said on the ABC website.
“After a week of concerted private scrimmage among the international delegations, the one bright spot Mr Rudd could nominate yesterday was that Australia had successfully divested itself of $120 million, to be put towards the elimination of land clearing in other countries.”
Ahh, $120m lighter, now that feels better !
This 2degree temperature limit is the height of absurdity, has any journalist asked if the temperature stabilisation experiment has ever been run,? and with what results?.
If there are journalists reading these comments, please question the information that is supplied and ask some basic science questions. You will get opposing answers ; just take it quietly and use common sense. You never know you may go down in history as a famous journalist who exposed Climategate, as famous as those who exposed Watergate, only this time this is a global scandal.

December 18, 2009 7:51 pm

Kurt Vonnegut would have loved Copenhagen.

December 18, 2009 7:51 pm

It shall now be OFFICIALLY be called:
Norfolk, VA, USA

December 18, 2009 7:52 pm

no man is a failure who has friends

December 18, 2009 7:53 pm

We have been watching the coverage here in Sweden for the last two weeks on SVT and on the webcast. Around 4am they suspended the meeting for a few minutes. It is now 445am it looks like they are going to resume again.
During the break SVT had a few interviews. One was with a leader of some Swedish group that has been observing the meetings. He said the agreement that they have been talking about would raise temps to 5.8 C for awhile and then to 5.9 C but he is from a warmist group so who knows…
Love how in the beginning the developed countries offered 2 C, the third world argued for 1.5 degrees and it looks like they have compromised with 3+ C. How’s that work? I thought they all believed in the settled science?

NZ Willy
December 18, 2009 7:55 pm

This may interest: AMSR-E sea ice coverage shows more robust ice cover for Dec 18 2009 than any previous year Dec 18 (since 2002). Archangel (Russia) is iced in, and Alaska is growing good ice toward its southern peninsula. We’re in for an excellent Arctic ice cap this winter, looks like.

December 18, 2009 7:58 pm

Now established by accord: the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).
Would it have been so hard, and more applicable, for them to establish the UN Framework Understanding on Climate Change Scientists Undoing Science (UNFUCCSUS)?

December 18, 2009 8:01 pm

I am confused, Gore said that this is a catastrophe and we must act now. Do these politicians have families? I Know Obama has a couple of children, Wouldn’t he do anything to save his little Malia? I mean wouldn’t he take an initiative to save the world….unless this stuff is all made up and not really that important or something

December 18, 2009 8:03 pm

The Arctice sea ice extent (area of >30% ice coverage) reaches a RECORD HIGH for the past five years:

December 18, 2009 8:07 pm

Darn! Now we’re all going to fry because Al Gore won’t get a chance to turn the heat down with his billion dollar thermostat.

photon without a Higgs
December 18, 2009 8:11 pm

Obama flew in on the last day to save Copenhagen. He was the ace up the sleeve. An ace didn’t give them a win.

photon without a Higgs
December 18, 2009 8:16 pm

Copenhagen in snow. Record snow forecast this weekend in Eastern US too. Nature is telling everyone global warming isn’t happening.

Methow Ken
December 18, 2009 8:21 pm

Lord Monckton was spot-on some time back, when he predicted EXACTLY this outcome at COP15:
There would end up being an ”agreement” before it broke up (how could all these leaders show up and admit to the world that their ”one world government” effort failed); but the agreement would be toothless and meaningless.
Bravo. . . .

Son of a Pig and a Monkey
December 18, 2009 8:21 pm

The Grauniad is just saying that to make feel better -but, its working.
Don’t know how Obama, and, come the mid-term elections, the Donks as a whole, are going to explain to the American people their 20-year “commitment” for $100 billion a year (is that $2 trillion?) in bribes to the ChiComs to get this “nonbinding treaty” signed.

December 18, 2009 8:22 pm

Hard to imagine a better ending than that, given all the possibilities 🙂

p.g.sharrow "PG"
December 18, 2009 8:27 pm

Developing countries had planed on getting multi $billion christmas presents in perputuity and no restrictions. What a disapointment. Santa Borat can not deliever the American treasury to them as he is not the emperor only the president.
These are interesting times!

December 18, 2009 8:27 pm

The BBC are asking for your opinion, however, they filter on many words like hoax etc. The thought police are trying to ensure that comments remain positive.
“Welcome to duloc such a perfect town here we have some rules, let us lay them down, don’t make waves, stay in line, and we’ll get along fine, duloc is a perfect place”
And the UK used to allow free speech! Now it is turning positively FASCIST.

December 18, 2009 8:29 pm

Here is the link – the filters are like a first wall that you have to breakthrough and then the BBC Moderators (thought police) will get you if teh filters do not.
What do you think of the deal?

Jack Simmons
December 18, 2009 8:31 pm

“recognises” the scientific case for keeping temperature rises to no more than 2C but did not contain commitments to emissions reductions to achieve that goal.

Shouldn’t be hard to do as the global temperature is going down on its own.

Nick Yates
December 18, 2009 8:33 pm

Hate to disagree with the Guardian as usual, but I think it was a huge victory. For us 😉
Right on cue, the weather gods in the UK are ramming the point home.

December 18, 2009 8:34 pm

about not the White House is booking BB King to come sing “The Thrill Is Gone.”

December 18, 2009 8:34 pm

No Cope-n-Change for you, world!!
I’d give the conference a solid B+!

December 18, 2009 8:34 pm

Why have none of our leaders talked about what protections would be put in place to ensure that any of the money they give to other countries would be used for the purpose intended.
Also government transparency seems totally absent and bureaucracy seems to be out of control

Capn Jack
December 18, 2009 8:36 pm

Now you went and made me spit me rum Watts.
Nothing worser than a gloater.
he he.

December 18, 2009 8:36 pm

Obama – stupid actor, have fun in jail! Your cronies will be joining you.

December 18, 2009 8:36 pm

Unrelated, but there is no recent related thread:
An Aussie marine scientist cries foul over the global warming causes irreversible coral bleaching damage. In other words the Great Barrier Reef won´t be dead any time soon. Always refreshing when some common sense comes to the fore.

December 18, 2009 8:38 pm

Yay! Three cheers for the “consensus!”

Tom in Texas
December 18, 2009 8:39 pm

Yahoo Top Story:
“Obama brokers a climate deal, doesn’t satisfy all”
Just the skeptics.

December 18, 2009 8:40 pm

BTW what is up with RC? I was wanting to see if they were dancing with delight over the 2C COP Accord but I can´t load the web page. Instead I get the following message:
¨502 Bad Gateway¨
Another early Xmas present?

December 18, 2009 8:45 pm

George Monbiot is crying the blues. He writes:
This was the chaotic, disastrous denouement of a chaotic and disastrous summit. The event has been attended by historic levels of incompetence. Delegates arriving from the tropics spent 10 hours queueing in sub-zero temperatures without shelter, food or drink, let alone any explanation or announcement, before being turned away. Some people fainted from exposure; it’s surprising that no one died.
Triple irony:
People there to complain about warming faint from exposure to the cold.
One of the most socialist nations of Europe fails terribly at organization.
An organiztion, the IPCC, that wishes to control the climate shows that it is incompetent to even run a meeting on the climate.

December 18, 2009 8:46 pm

Good summary review of the incomplete #COP15 final draft ‘accord’ by Corn & Sheppard of Mother Jones in #Copenhagen

December 18, 2009 8:47 pm

Better hed would have been: Climate Munich Pact avoided

Tom L.
December 18, 2009 8:48 pm

Happily, the abject shallowness of politicians worldwide is being exposed. How interesting to see fraud exposed then the perps try to hide their fraud, quickly burying themselves deeper by the second. To wit: AlGore and MichaelMann (in today’s Washington Post). The reactions in the warmist community are entirely humorous, and good quality humor at that.

Mesa Econoguy
December 18, 2009 8:49 pm

Is Obama unaware of the federal grant money used here?
It would be very interesting to check the federal ethics and data sharing violations here.
Theoretically speaking, of course.
PS: “Britain and many poor countries”
sorry, there…….

December 18, 2009 8:50 pm

Well that damn George Bush ruined our food for oil scam. What do you expect us to do? Get a job like the common rif-raf? Oh the humanity, I need my smelling salts.

December 18, 2009 8:50 pm

Hugo Chavez had it wrong: The “ghost” haunting Copenhagen wasn’t Capitalism.
It was Climategate.

December 18, 2009 8:53 pm

King Canute (Obama) eloquently telling the sun not to make the 2 degrees warmer – a snowballs chance in hell!

Son of a Pig and a Monkey
December 18, 2009 8:53 pm

“It’s working. It’s working” Don’t want to sink to the levels of inerudition of the Warmenistas.

December 18, 2009 8:54 pm

King Canute (Obama) eloquently telling the sun not to make the earth 2 degrees warmer – a snowballs chance in hell!

December 18, 2009 8:54 pm

’tis the season…

December 18, 2009 8:56 pm

The latest casualty of climategate. And by far the most important.
This is truly great news.
But it is just a first major step. It is not the beginning of the end of AGW madness. But it is the end of the beginning.
Now to finish helping AGW implode, and move on to a rational set of enviro and energy policies.

Al Gore's Holy Hologram
December 18, 2009 8:56 pm

Wahahahey, now we just need to get rid of those who want to monitor our lives and have us live on a ration card.

December 18, 2009 8:57 pm

Thank God for Global Partisanship!

Galen Haugh
December 18, 2009 8:58 pm

Sorry, but Copenhagen was a complete success. In my view, the Chinese looked at how the data has been fudged, how the review process has been scuttled, and how the enviro commies wanted to shackle China with restrictions that would have seriously contained their booming economy. It would also have crippled the US economy had we gone along with it, and we’d never be able to pay off the huge debt owed the Chinese. Either way it went, it wasn’t good for the Chinese.
So they said “Nyet” after conferring with their Russian neighbors, who have energy-exportion ambitions of their own and suspicions about the “science” too. China deflected criticism by saying they would not give up their national sovereignty. Now we can see if the increase in CO2 will be able to offset the cooling trend we’re going through with this deep solar minimum. However, if this deep solar minim continues, I’m willing to bet that next year’s summit in Mexico City will be centered on how to tax the industrial nations for reparations caused by climate cooling. Face it, “climate change” cuts both ways for them, and short memories will only give them another reason to bilk the West.
They should be happy to have increased foodstuff production and additional greening of the planet caused by anthropogenic CO2. However, their objective was never to improve the environment or get off their lazy a$$es and work. That would just be too difficult. Their ulterior motive has failed, which becomes a success for all of us. And if it puts them back to work, it’s good for them, too.

December 18, 2009 9:01 pm

If this report is close to correct, this is the best we could hope for and a damn site better than the 80/2050 nonsense as was earlier announced.
Alas, the greens and other climate shysters will keep repeating Kyoto and Copenhagen until the glaciers advance across North America. It sure as heck ain’t over, but this round was “won” or at least a draw. I’ve not see much media today, but from the whining of the Canadian Greens it seems our PM and our Environment minister did us well by laying low and not participating too much in in this circus.
But over all .. ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺
Anthony, it is sites like this that keep the pressure on; that bring good information to the surface and prevent suppression of the truth.
Good job sir. Thank you!

December 18, 2009 9:06 pm

Wow…was it me or was Obama disappointed by the lack of progress on Climate Change or the lack of teleprompters?!?!?!
He sure looked mediocre…or depressed, can’t tell which. He definitely has programmed his brain to seek the usual teleprompter targets while he speaks.
I think we got off easy this round. Whew…
3rd party in 2010 please! No more lawyers OK? We need some Joe Schmoes…

December 18, 2009 9:10 pm

Who cares about Copenhagen when there is the EPA!

Dave Wendt
December 18, 2009 9:11 pm

I’d like to feel relieved, but I can’t escape the notion that these folks are a nightmare combination of Freddy Krueger, Michael from”Halloween”, Jason from “Friday the 13th”, and the “Terminator” all rolled into one. No matter how many times you think they’ve finally been stopped, they keep rising zombie like from the flaming ruins and resuming the chase. They’ve all probably booked their reservations for next years confab at whatever garden spot they have picked out and are angling to make sure that get a parking spot at the airport for their Gulfstream, and one of the armored limos, Mexico can be a dangerous place.

December 18, 2009 9:14 pm

Furthermore, I should have said; Wen Jiabao. Not Hu Jintao. …
I’m off to bed. Comforted that absolutely nothing has changed except the debt.

December 18, 2009 9:14 pm

Amen Halleluyah!
And of course, the question becomes… Now that the political leaders have failed, is the door towards honest skepticism of the accepted “conclusions” of the Polito-scientific establishment a little more open?
Can what we all know to be propaganda finally be exposed for the sack of lies that it is?
I think the return to rationality is a war being waged primarily here in the States. If cap and trade also fails here, and China continues to not play ball (THANK YOU CHINA, the free market of the world owes you a debt, figuratively and literally), the enviro-political-pseudo-science whackos will have nowhere left to turn but inward towards self-satisfaction and a “run-for-the-hills” self-preservation tactic. I predict we’ll get articles about true-believers selling all their posessions to build earthen homes in the Rockies with decades of food stores, much as we heard about before Y2K. It should be a very humorous year for the skeptics in 2010.
Merry Christmas, Happy New Year everyone.

Michael Snow
December 18, 2009 9:15 pm


December 18, 2009 9:16 pm

Caught between a ‘Weather is not Climate blizzard’ and a ClimateGate Road Hazard hard place.
The Devil was surely in the details, and Hugo claimed to smell sulphur.

Larry Hamlin
December 18, 2009 9:17 pm

The house of cards that manmade global warming “science” is now and always was is collapsing. The good guys have won one!!!

Eric Anderson
December 18, 2009 9:19 pm

Deal condemned as”climate change skepticism in action.” Go skepticism!

Biko Lang
December 18, 2009 9:21 pm

Yes, an early Xmas gift, the left and the climate activists have lost bigtime, and we have reclaimed the upper ground now. Copenhagen was a joke frm the get go, and Palin was right: the skinny black dude should have boycotted the talks. Dummy!

December 18, 2009 9:21 pm

It’s impossible to overstate just what an epic failure this is for transnational leftism; and right out in the open too, where nobody could miss it. These things don’t ordinarily happen with such suddenness and drama.
The first sentence in the article is absolutely right: If The Guardian is calling it a failure, then it must be a legendary crackup indeed. I think even the MsM is starting to smell blood in the water. They seem to be getting a little kick out of trashing Obama, the UN, and the Greenies. Perhaps the media is about to throw the political mandarins under the bus. Won’t that be something to see.

December 18, 2009 9:22 pm

Good deal.

Steve M. in TN
December 18, 2009 9:27 pm

but…but…but Obama said it was a success

Aqua Fyre
December 18, 2009 9:33 pm

The Guardian calls it a failure..?
Ever heard of animals pretending to be dead ?
According to Paul Watson over at
Obama and other world leaders have agreed to a “Global Transaction Tax”
This means an average of $3000 in extra tax on each American family & non all of it will go to the UN.
Lord Monckton has also pointed this out, so I am convinced of its veracity.
Aqua Fyre

December 18, 2009 9:34 pm

yes yes yes yes yes!!!!! See preventing a 2 C rise might be actually measureable rather than commit to what might be a CO2 prevention dead end.

Les Francis
December 18, 2009 9:35 pm

symonsezwlky (18:56:24) :
Lucky there were no equivalents like the Goreacle around in the 1970’s. Another equivalent of the inconvenient truth movie for cooling plus carbon credits to prevent an ice age.

December 18, 2009 9:36 pm

The only time I have cheered for China.

December 18, 2009 9:37 pm

So, no one is going to do anything about the carbon, not that I want them to, but we taxpayers are going to fork over 10s of billions of dollars?

December 18, 2009 9:37 pm

“Early Christmas present” ????
Ya think giving $30×10^9 of our tax dollars to 3rd world tin-pot dictators to squander is a Christmas present.

December 18, 2009 9:40 pm

I would like to thank all you guys who worked so hard to save your and my country from the brink of tyrannical disaster. You have no idea what a difference you made since Climategate first broke. You have no idea how many lurking bodies have seen this site, clinging to the best amateur scientific analysis on the planet, even though it is just your hobby. Hobbes cannot be overrated as they require a personal passion for the subject.
The information in massive volumes is now circulating all over cyberspace which is all over the planet. Give yourselves a pat on the back for a job well done. That job you did is worth far more than money can buy. You’ll have a good bit of a rest to recharge your batteries, I know I need a pretty decent break. Get back to pounding those keys when you feel good and ready again, always keep an open mind, and your mind active. Learning new things just feels good.
Thank You,

December 18, 2009 9:41 pm

Y’know, this isn’t a bad result all things considered. I’m not against insurance policies. . .I just don’t want to pay unreasonable prices for them. This Term Insurance can be terminated before it gets too costly, if further research and observable facts seem to make that advisable.

Pamela Gray
December 18, 2009 9:50 pm

Am I the only one cheering the fact that Obama could not “get er done”?!?!?!?!?!?!? By the way, I am a registered Democrat for hire dedicated to seeing that Sitting Eagle is NOT re-elected!

December 18, 2009 9:54 pm

Yes we can’t.

photon without a Higgs
December 18, 2009 9:58 pm

Son of a Pig and a Monkey (20:21:41) :
in the time of chimpanzees i was a monkey

December 18, 2009 9:59 pm

I suppose the alarmists should be praying that we deniers are right!

photon without a Higgs
December 18, 2009 10:00 pm

Tom in Texas (20:39:33) :
“Obama brokers a climate deal, doesn’t satisfy all”
Just the skeptics.

Nice 🙂

December 18, 2009 10:01 pm

From the Telegraph:
” ‘Most of the snow is falling in East Anglia, Essex and Kent – and will continue to do so,’ she said.”
East Anglia????
Norfolk (not East Anglia) VA, USA

December 18, 2009 10:08 pm

The agreement aims to provide $30bn in funding for poor countries to adapt to climate change from next year to 2012, and $100bn a year after 2020.
DO YOU REALY BELEVE THIS MONEY( EVERY CENT) WILL BE USED TO ADATPT TO CLIMATE CHANGE??.i For one dont i bet the the persons at the top get their cut.And the poor persons in the street see $nil .

Dave F
December 18, 2009 10:15 pm

Tilo Reber (20:45:49) :
Triple irony:
People there to complain about warming faint from exposure to the cold.
One of the most socialist nations of Europe fails terribly at organization.
An organiztion, the IPCC, that wishes to control the climate shows that it is incompetent to even run a meeting on the climate.

Indeed. The irony is so rich it has to be fattening.

Leon Brozyna
December 18, 2009 10:18 pm

As I mentioned previously, they agreed to disagree.
How can this ‘historic’ agreement be a first step? I thought Kyoto was the first step; Copenhagen was supposed to build on it. The next couple years should prove interesting, as they try to get something in place with which to replace Kyoto before it expires in 2012.
That’s it!
The Mayans weren’t predicting the end of Earth or mankind. They were predicting the end of the Kyoto accord in 2012 long before there was a green, save the planet, movement.

December 18, 2009 10:19 pm

Thank God.

December 18, 2009 10:20 pm

I saw nothing posted at RC all day….but did see a tumblweed roll by….
Now they claim to be upgrading software and are down. Hmmmmm…….that’s certainly inconvenient.

December 18, 2009 10:25 pm

What a great holiday present. Let’s DANCE!

Evan Jones
December 18, 2009 10:27 pm


December 18, 2009 10:28 pm

“The scary thought is, what will they now use to collect the trillions for the world global socialist experiment? The climate, (warming, or cooling, or holding fast), set aside, the demand for the trillions to prop up the worlds failing socialist nations, is never going to go away! ”
This is the real issue.
The problem is the dictators will stash the cash for themselves as the UN is even more corrupt than the US Government, and the little people will go on hurting as always.
Of course everyone knew that man caused warming was BS. the climate is much more complex than anyone has come close to modeling. Of course the data is basically useless as Anthony and others have shown.
All in all – COP15 – was a very costly flop. charade, dog&pony show.

December 18, 2009 10:28 pm

Richard M (19:27:55) :
I would prefer to call him “deepstick”.

December 18, 2009 10:32 pm

The irony continues…
“Washington DC is preparing to be hit by what could be its worst winter storm since the capital was covered in 27in (68cm) of snow in 2003.”
Apparently Obama did not stay for the end of COP15 because of the cold snowy stormy weather situation expected in DC!!!!
You really have to laugh at these fools.

December 18, 2009 10:38 pm

Mark.R (22:08:32) :
They never cared about feeding and saving the poor nations before… why would they care now?

photon without a Higgs
December 18, 2009 10:45 pm

Copenhagen ends in failure…
Nah, it was a great, great success. The skeptics side always wins.
“”, when’s the debate?

Evan Jones
December 18, 2009 10:51 pm

It’s 2.30 am and dejection is palpable in the halls of Copenhagen’s Bella Centre, home to the last two week’s climate talks. Obama has left; there’s another draft deal being passed around; Gordon Brown says he’s happy; the G77 block of poor nations is crying bloody murder; delegates are leaving in droves, looking tired and depressed. The sense, generally, is that the last two years have been a waste of time.
If you listen really hard you can hear the lamentations of their women . . .

photon without a Higgs
December 18, 2009 10:53 pm

why to the true believers stay on the losing side?
And is Obama tired of losing all the time?

Nigel S
December 18, 2009 10:54 pm

D. King (19:46:55)
It was King Cnut (or possibly Harthacnut) who was laughing at the sycophants.

Dave F
December 18, 2009 10:54 pm

Doug (21:36:02) :
Cheer, by all means. Just remember that we are upping our tab with them in order to pay for this. You have to admire the way China has played the situation, in the sense one would admire an opponent’s southpaw, getting the US to dig a deeper hole all the while committing to economic restrictions that limit the ways the debt can be paid back. Really think they are worried about getting paid back? I don’t. The damage done to the US Gov’s credibility if there are defaults on debt would curtail the ability to spend on many things, and then what? We all learn how to ask if you would like fries with that in Chinese?

Evan Jones
December 18, 2009 10:58 pm

Lost in summer, morning, winter, travel very far,
Lost in musing circumstances, that’s just where you are.
Yesterday a morning came, a smile upon your face.
Caesar’s palace, morning glory, silly human race,
On a sailing ship to nowhere, leaving any place,
If the summer change to winter, yours is no,
Yours is no disgrace.
Yours is no disgrace.
Yours is no disgrace.

Dave F
December 18, 2009 10:59 pm

kmye (19:09:38) :
Good God! I certainly hope not! For reasons outlined in my other post. Is China one of the ‘developing’ nations? I thought that surely they would be off of that list by now?!

Andew P.
December 18, 2009 11:01 pm

Obama pulls off a “coup d’Etat against the UN” !
This was supposed to be the conclusion of a two year process – but evidently many are far from happy with the last minute facing saving agreement –
Richard Black was scathing of it last night on Radio 4, here is what he says now:
BBC News environment correspondent
President Obama may have a deal with Brazil, China, India and South Africa – but it is not at all clear that he has a deal with anyone else.
While the White House was announcing the agreement, most other delegations had not even seen it.
This has clearly annoyed a number of countries who, when the agreement document, expressed their distaste in vigorous language – a “coup d’Etat against the UN”.
With no firm target for limiting the global temperature rise, no commitment to a legal treaty and no target year for peaking emissions, countries vulnerable to climate impacts are pointing out this “deal” does not guarantee the temperature targets they need.
We are governed by idiots, whose only ability is to spend money they don’t have.

December 18, 2009 11:06 pm

It is a travesty that we have lost sight of this….

Merry Christmas
[REPLY – Billions for food. But not one red cent for tribute!]

photon without a Higgs
December 18, 2009 11:06 pm

delegates are leaving in droves, looking tired and depressed
Tired from the fun packed week they just had at $1000.00 a night hotels with all the amenities of a conference (everything, etc….) that wore them out, depressed because it’s over and they have to go back to their stinking lives.

December 18, 2009 11:10 pm

Couldn’t agree with you more Michael. I have only really started to study weather in the last eighteen months but have probably learnt more that when I was at school. I was one that had given up my passport and wasn’t going to fly anywhere but the more I have read and learnt has changed that.
THank you for a great website

December 18, 2009 11:15 pm

Just one thing I noticed. There was more effort and urgency when Hilary Clinton turned up and seemed to push far harder. Did the democrats pick the wrong person to lead them.
Obama has run away as he would freeze waiting for the group photo that normally is taken at these events

December 18, 2009 11:16 pm

The show isn’t over until Fat Al sings “Its over” like he did when he decided he really didn’t want to be president.

Nigel S
December 18, 2009 11:16 pm
December 18, 2009 11:27 pm

Cheering news … in Phil Jones’ words.

Tor Hansson
December 18, 2009 11:38 pm

Anybody still want to go on about “world government?”
Or can we put that one to bed for now?

December 18, 2009 11:41 pm

all this does is funnel money pointlessly from the US (primarily) to countries run by dictators, military gangs and terrorists. This isn’t something to be celebrating…Copenhagen may have “failed” but it certainly didn’t fail to move us closer to the end of freedom in the west.

Evan Jones
December 18, 2009 11:44 pm

“Obama flew in on the last day to save Copenhagen. He was the ace up the sleeve. An ace didn’t give them a win.”
An uproar of voices was coming from the farmhouse. They rushed back and looked through the window again. Yes, a violent quarrel was in progress. There were shoutings, bangings on the table, sharp suspicious glances, furious denials. The source of the trouble appeared to be that Napoleon and Mr. Pilkington had each played an ace of spades simultaneously.
Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

Scott Fox
December 18, 2009 11:50 pm

Lord Monkton has a very different take on it.

Nigel S
December 18, 2009 11:51 pm

I find these word comforting on most similar occasions.
Dr. Johnson (1709 – 1784), supplied these lines (and two more) for ‘The Traveller’ by Oliver Goldsmith
‘How small, of all that human hearts endure,
That part which laws or kings can cause or cure!’

Beth Cooper
December 18, 2009 11:52 pm

I was about to comment on Arctic Ice but TokyoBoy said it before me so I’ll say this. What a thoughtful comment by Dane Skold! What I love about this blog is the High calibre company I find myself in: Paul Vaughan, Lucy Skywalker, Tallman, Pamela Gray and Anna V, Crosspatch, Bulldust et al .
Thank you Anthony and moderators for providing an outstanding website for intellectual engagement centred on the science of climate change and opening out into political, philosophical and economic issues that are part of the context. Not to mention abounding good humour and wit.

Roger Knights
December 18, 2009 11:53 pm

Now that Brokenhagen is over, the incredible recent propaganda push the and deluge of absurdly alarmist papers in the scientific journals should wind down. Their intent was to push Copenhagen over the top. I guess the torrent will continue for another four months, but once it sinks in that their gigantic wealth transfer isn’t in the cards, there should be a willingness to say, “Well, maybe it won’t be all that bad,” or “Maybe there are adaptation strategies we could pursue.”
There is a great article in the current Wired about safe, low-waste, cheap sodium/thorium nuclear reactors. Maybe we could make a push in that direction.
Two other major initiatives Obama could seize upon to salvage something from this fiasco are described in the book, Prescription for the Planet, which an amazon reviewer describes thusly:
“Transportation problems can be solved by burning boron as fuel (a 100% recyclable resource) and the waste problem inevitably caused by exponential growth can be at least partially solved by fully recycling all waste in plasma converters, which themselves can provide both significant power (the heat from these converters can turn a turbine to generate electricity) and important products.”
Here’s the Amazon link:

Aussie sceptic
December 18, 2009 11:54 pm

A wonderful blog session on –
Great comments by Will Happer and others.

December 18, 2009 11:57 pm

Over at under “Controlling the money” by Richard North is one explanation of how CO2 taxes are spent by the EU. Extract below
“This is the $4.14 billion 4GW Mundra power project in India’s Gujarat State, being developed by Coastal Gujarat Power Limited. But it will come as no surprise to readers to learn that the Coastal Gujarat Power Limited is a wholly owned subsidiary of Tata Power Limited, which it acquired in April 2007.
Thus, while our masters in the EU are closing down our existing coal plants, and no new plants are being permitted unless fitted – at enormous expense – for carbon capture, money from the long-suffering taxpayers of the UK and the rest of the developed world are being used to subsidise the building of a plant that will emit 25.7 million tons of CO2 per year for at least 25 years, adding another 643 million tons to an atmospheric carbon load.
And the ultimate irony is – actually, it is beyond irony – is that the plant will qualify for the UN’s Clean Development Mechanism “carbon credits” which can then be sold on the carbon market, which UK generators will need to buy in order to continue producing electricity and keep the lights burning.
Approved by the World Bank on 8 April last year, the project is being part-funded by the Bank’s International Finance Corporation (IFC), with an “A Loan” of up to $450 million, plus an investment of $50 million in equity. This was followed on 25 April by another loan from the Asian Development Bank (ADB), amounting to $450 million, both loans being on preferential terms because of their “green” development status.
What gives the project its “green” status – and thus permits World Bank and ADB funding – is that it employs what is known as “super-critical” technology. This – in theory at least – improves the conversion efficiency (of fuel to electric power) to some 44 percent compared with only 34-36 percent for conventional coal-fired power plants.
Piling irony on irony, this is exactly the type of power station which E.ON wanted to build at Kingsnorth in Kent, to which the greenies objected so much, even though future provision was to be made for carbon capture and carbon credits had to be bought to permit the plant to run.
Yet, in India, this is the seventh such plant to be built (or in the planning), justified as “green” because the type reduces the average carbon emissions of India’s electricity generation system as a whole, per unit of electricity supplied. Nevertheless, this plant will not actually reduce total emissions. It will provide new capacity to a region short of electricity, so overall emissions will increase. Only the intensity of emissions will decrease.”
I forecast that in 700 days, after a poor summer in 2010 and an even colder winter 2010/11, N H humans will have turned on their CO2 espousing politicians with a vengeance. Remember Ceauşescu and his wife Elena.
“The Ceauşescus were executed by a firing squad consisting of elite paratroop regiment soldiers Ionel Boeru, Dorin Cârlan and Octavian Gheorghiu, while reportedly hundreds of others also volunteered. The firing squad did not wait for the Ceauşescus to be tied up and blindfolded, as is customary, but instead began shooting as soon as they appeared. The firing happened too soon for the film crew covering the events to record it. After the shooting the bodies were covered with canvas.”

John Wright
December 18, 2009 11:59 pm

Lord Monckton must have been feeling pretty knocked about since that incompetent Danish policeman knocked him out last Thursday. Even so, he kept a steady stream of posts coming on his blog yesterday and rounded it off with yet another hard hitting article this morning:
I am sure I am not the only person here thanking him for his tireless actions over the last week and in wishing him a rapid and complete recovery.

Cold Englishman
December 19, 2009 12:01 am

This is what you get over at the BBC comments page:-
“Your comment will be read by a Have Your Say moderator before it is published.
Please note that due to the volume of comments that we receive, we cannot guarantee that all comments will be published.”
Sort of says it all doesn’t it?
Hear the sound or george Orwell laughing?

Sean Peake
December 19, 2009 12:04 am

This battle may be won but the war still rages. Let’s not get too smug. There are powerful forces afoot and we are badly outnumbered. Lets keep pressing forward. If we lose focus they will gain the advantage. This is not a victory, it is a diversion.

December 19, 2009 12:13 am

The Daily Express readers showed their distrust of Mr Brown’s sweeping plans this week, with an overwhelming 98% of those taking part in a phone vote agreeing that the nation was being conned over global warming.
Gordon Brown was yesterday accused of signing a £500billion death warrant for Britain’s economy in his desperate quest for a climate change deal. Ignoring the dire state of the country’s finances, such as the record Government borrowing figures of $20.3billion last month, Mr Brown has already pledged to hand over £7.5billion to an international fund to help poorer countries “cope with climate change”.
You can vote if you think Gordon Brown is doing a good job or not

old construction worker
December 19, 2009 12:19 am

geo (21:41:11) :
Y’know, this isn’t a bad result all things considered. I’m not against insurance policies. . .I just don’t want to pay unreasonable prices for them. This Term Insurance can be terminated before it gets too costly, if further research and observable facts seem to make that advisable.
A friend of mine lives in a town which is one of the highest point above sea level in Ohio. As a matter of fact she lives on one of the highest point in that town. In order for her receive a federal back mortgage, she had to agree to pay for flood insurance. It’s not much, only about $180.00 per year for 30 years. Over time as the government needed more money to cover the cost of national flood insurance, the army corp of engineers have included more and more land in flood areas. This not insurance. This is theft by the government.

photon without a Higgs
December 19, 2009 12:22 am

savethesharks (22:01:53) :
From the Telegraph:
” ‘Most of the snow is falling in East Anglia,….’ she said.”

This one satisfies me. I’ll go to bed happy.

Roger Knights
December 19, 2009 12:22 am

“East Anglia????

FWIW: I just read that, back in the day, East Anglia was the headquarters of the Pilgrim / Puritan movement.

December 19, 2009 12:23 am

Like most Xmas parties I’ll bet a lot of deligates are waking up today wonder how much of a fool they made of themselves, and a little dread at facing the boss on Monday.
Oh deary dear!

photon without a Higgs
December 19, 2009 12:26 am

maxx (22:20:09) :
I saw nothing posted at RC all day….but did see a tumblweed roll by….
Now they claim to be upgrading software and are down. Hmmmmm…….that’s certainly inconvenient.

Maybe they’re changing out harddrives, tidying up that unsightly incriminating evidence.

photon without a Higgs
December 19, 2009 12:33 am

Scott Fox (23:50:54) :
Lord Monkton has a very different take on it.
What is it? Could you supply a link? It’s a video?
Please don’t leave us hanging without a link man.

Lyle F
December 19, 2009 12:35 am

Afghanistan, Copenhaganen , maybe he does deserve a Noble.

Roger Knights
December 19, 2009 12:39 am

Here’s a briskly British brush-off from Monckton:
Here, in a nutshell – for fortunately nothing larger is needed – are the main points of the ”Copenhagen Accord”:”
Nice touch.

December 19, 2009 12:43 am

Sorry OT, but I now would like to identify CRU mail(s) stating someone has actually deleted data file(s) to circumvent FOIA requests from “contrarians”.
Anyone in the know please help me.

John Peter
December 19, 2009 12:43 am

In Politiken (brief translation of headlines)
Loekke Rasmussen (Danish PM) is close to giving up. Total meltdown threatened. Lars Loekke Rasmussen close to throwing in the towel. The Agreement that USA and some big countries agreed on cannot generate support. etc.
“I have to accept with regret that the door is closed. I see no way of getting the text approved” said by the Danish PM a few minutes ago in the Bella Centre.
This was posted at 08.00 hours Danish time.
So no deal due to resistance from certain Latin American countries and low lying island states.
The Brits are trying to organise an acceptance where the “non accepting” countries get their objections listed.
They have negotiated the whole night.

December 19, 2009 12:46 am

I don’t suppose THE CLIMATE was paying much attention one way or the other.

photon without a Higgs
December 19, 2009 12:48 am

Richard Lindzen on Copenhagen
“I’m pretty sure that they will sign something. Workable? I doubt it. Mischievous? Certainly.”

photon without a Higgs
December 19, 2009 12:51 am

William Happer, physicist, Princeton University, on Copenhagen
“The best response would be to do nothing at Copenhagen and to go home to tend to real problems. As Climategate has made abundantly clear, the alarm about climate change has no scientific basis.”

December 19, 2009 12:54 am

I’m not convinced all the politicians are convinced that warming is anthropogenic, what seems to have happened is that anyone who challenges the AGW assertion is treated as though they were advocating wife beating, so they stay silent on the issue.

photon without a Higgs
December 19, 2009 12:55 am

maxx (22:20:09) :
I saw nothing posted at RC all day….but did see a tumblweed roll by….
Isn’t it cool that skeptics/deniers/realists/optimists have ownage of this topic on the internet!

December 19, 2009 12:57 am

DR (21:10:50) :
“Who cares about Copenhagen when there is the EPA!”
Regarding the EPA; isn’t it true that congress votes their anuual budget? If EPA aggravates congress, then might it not go bad for them? Can anyone from the US help me with this?

photon without a Higgs
December 19, 2009 1:01 am

Sean Peake (00:04:55) :
This battle may be won but the war still rages. Let’s not get too smug. There are powerful forces afoot and we are badly outnumbered.
Nah, we aren’t outnumbered. We’ve got Mother Nature on our side. She gets the last laugh no matter how hard you and I could fight.

December 19, 2009 1:02 am

‘Wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen….’
cheers David

December 19, 2009 1:03 am

realclimate are alive and well and have published an article by a guy from Oxford University that is critical of realclimate. What’s going on? Do I detect a subtle attempt to try to move away from the dogmatic, one-sided, vituperative site we’ve seen since its inception?
Unfortunately for them they’ve left plenty of evidence of their single minded, and often ill-mannered advocacy of AGW.

Patrick Davis
December 19, 2009 1:04 am

I’m not convinced Copenhagen was a failure, we’re just slightly further towards the thick end of the Kyoto wedge, certainly not if it’s stated in the Gaurdian. No Govn’t anywhere will give up on that ultimate revenue stream by taxing our air and energy needs.
2010 is going to be an interesting year indeed.

December 19, 2009 1:11 am

No more ‘hope’ and ‘change’:(
Now it’s much more specific stuff like ‘progress’ and ‘momentum’:)
Depending on where you’re from, I guess… ‘Britain and many poor countries’
Maybe some present were unsure all being discussed was not as settled as top scientists like Pres. Obama and PM Brown say it was… er… is.
Speaking of whom, on the BBC just saw David King say that Gordon was neither right nor wrong to be pleased at the outcome. Uh-huh.
He does have a different take to most. Wonder why?
Fight to control Copenhagen climate change fund
Possibly it needs a world-saving financial genius?
And perhaps the fact that nothing is legally binding is no bad thing:)
A critical message needing to be followed by well-considered, high enviROI actions totally blown by the wrong folk for the job.

December 19, 2009 1:11 am

This was never about the science, it was always about money. The oucome at Copenhagen implies no judgement about the science at all. For the (often corrupt) LDC governments the process was just a way to extract money from gullible western governments who have yet to explain to their voters the implications for their lives of the carbon targets they want to commit to.
Oddly the UK government wants to continue with the 3rd Heathrow airport runway, for instance. And they have said slashing carbon emissions needn’t mean the end of cheap foreign holidays by plane. Go figure.
In the UK all three main parties believe in AGW. On the political front the pressure should be turned on them to detail what their policies would mean for the voters’ lives. For instance in the UK we get charged green levies on our energy bills, to keep the AGW costs off our tax bill, where they would be more visible.
There is a political battle to fight alongside the scientific one.

December 19, 2009 1:13 am

“The so-called Copenhagen accord “recognises” the scientific case for keeping temperature rises to no more than 2C but did not contain commitments to emissions reductions to achieve that goal”
Um… forgive me for pointing out the obvious, but this means they aren’t even using the pretext of reduction targets as a rough estimate for the cost of “saving the world”. It will now cost however much it costs to prevent a 2C rise (in the wise and all-knowing computer models, of course…).

Patrick Davis
December 19, 2009 1:21 am

I guess now in the post-Climategate era we can send a message to our leaders in the up coming elections.

Martin Brumby
December 19, 2009 1:22 am

Well, sorry to be a grouch but I was REALLY hoping for a stray asteroid to flatten the lot of them.
Failing that, for there to be global agreement that all Climate Alarmist “Climatic Research Units” across the globe should be taped off as crime scenes whilst the misdeeds of the eco-fascists and rent seekers who work there are fully investigated. And trials mounted. And punishment exacted. And the Rudds, Browns, Obamas and the rest forced to stand for re-election.
I know, I know. Crying for the moon again.
So I suppose the outcome could have been very much worse.
But, even though it is nice to note that the majority of commenters even on the Grauniad piece Anthony has posted here are calling BS on the whole thing, a more sensible front page story is seen on the Express:-
which warns “Climate Nut Brown will Ruin Britain”.
So far as the UK is concerned, that says it all. And, no doubt, Cameron and Clegg will be slagging him off for not throwing even more onto the table. Make no mistake, we in the UK are absolutely stuffed.
Meanwhile, even our American friends need to be eternally vigilant. The real deal, behind the scenes, as Monckton predicted, is about money and World Governance.
Check out:-
Check out:-
OK, we won a battle.
Now we have to win a war.

Andrew P
December 19, 2009 1:24 am

Some initial thoughts:
– Two years of negotiations, and at the end of it no legally binding agreement, just a last minute face-saving agreement, which Obama announced on TV – circumventing the UN protocol and apparently upsetting the majority of the member countries.
– The greens (and alarmist scientists) are far from happy at what they see as a very poor result.
– The Chinese are obviously never going to risk their desire for economic development by agreeing to legally binding CO2 emission targets.
– The Russians kept their heads down.
Some thoughts on longer term implications:
– had a legally binding agreement been signed, and CO2 emissions were significantly reduced (both unlikely) and the over the next 10-20 years the planet continued to cool (or remain at current temperatures) then the green groupthink and bad science would have been validated – the worst possible outcome.
– as the agreement is (from a green perspective) barely worth the paper it is written on, and if emissions contine to rise (very likely) and the planet’s temperature continues to cool (without any major volcanic activity) then it only gets more difficult for the warmists and politicians to sustain their green groupthink and continue this farce.
– if global temperatures are observed to rise in the the next 5 to 10 years, then it is very likely that the alarmist media and the unproven CO2 thesis will prevail.
So everything hangs on the global temperature trend. Given the stakes, (and despite the high cost of heating fuel, I just paid £500 for 1100 lites of kerosene!) I am hoping for continued and signifiicant cooling – it would be a very pleasant irony if it was Mother Earth (albeit with the help of a few sceptics) that ended this madness.

P Gosselin
December 19, 2009 1:33 am

Consider it dead and buried.

Mike McMillan
December 19, 2009 1:33 am

Gerard (20:53:48) :
King Canute (Obama) eloquently telling the sun not to make the 2 degrees warmer – a snowballs chance in hell!

That’s 2 °C saved or created by the Obama Administration.
And this thing ain’t over by a long shot.

P Gosselin
December 19, 2009 1:33 am

Hip! hip!…

photon without a Higgs
December 19, 2009 1:42 am

Ohhh, I love this photo and headline on the front page of Drudge now:
+20 million hits per day will be seeing that

December 19, 2009 1:46 am

So Question.. Who is worse .. Jimmy Carter or Bazza Obamalamadingdong?

Rhys Jaggar
December 19, 2009 1:46 am

All I would say is:
The Guardian Newspaper goes to print before the negotiations would have been over.
Let’s wait 24 hours before making judgements. Because until then we won’t know what decisions have been taken.

December 19, 2009 1:46 am

Obama states they have agreed to cap the temperature rise to 2C. How? Have I missed somehting? Did some one invent a climate control machine? Is it based on HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) which has been claimed to have an ability to control at least the weather? It’s certainly nothing to do with cutting CO2 emissions for two reasons. One, the scientific data that has been used by the IPCC to support their claims have all been proven to be false. Two, no one has stated how we are going to make this 2C cap work by setting emission reduction targets so ridiculously low, which by themselves will make absolutely no difference to the climate. Even the AGW believers have stated this.

Adam Gallon
December 19, 2009 1:46 am

I bet there’s some diappointed executives at Mercedes-Benz, Sukhoi & MiL. No money heading into the despots’ pockets for them to spend on their type of executive toys!

December 19, 2009 1:48 am

What we are seeing is the destruction and discrediting of the environmental movement by people who supposedly are its most fanatical supporters.
We have seen hysteria about CO2 lead to the wilful ignoring of much more pressing environmental concerns, we’ve seen the movement urging the conversion of food crop lands to the growing of gasoline, thus increasing both air pollution, traffic deaths and food prices, hence hunger. We’ve seen collusion with the windmill lobby for the large scale industrial development of the few protected wild areas we have left in the name of conservation. Its total nonsense.
Its time to close the thing down and reinvent it. We do need an environmental movement, its just that we need one which is devoted to sensible goals that will improve the environment, not a bunch of hysterics who think its a real contribution to fly over to Denmark and start attacking the police. This is how to cool the planet? This reduces CO2? Even if reducing CO2 would make the slightest difference?
Give me a break!

Frederick Davies
December 19, 2009 1:48 am

It is not over yet; even that deal is not going down well:
Obama did the clever thing and ran away.

December 19, 2009 1:48 am

Lord Monckton’s take is that the BRIC countries have NOT agreed to any emission reductions except if the West pays, and if the West doesn’t pay – well, they may or may not reduce emissions as they see fit. And if they don’t reduce emissions, there may not be any tariffs imposed by countries that do reduce emissions on countries that don’t. Thank you, come again.

Patrick Davis
December 19, 2009 2:02 am

OT, but related to CO2 emissions, I saw this reported recently on SBS here in Aus.
Largest recorded under-sea volcanic erruption:
Add to this the volcano named “Beautiful” in the Phillipines about to blow it’s top:
I wonder how our “leaders” will off-set these emissions and prevent climate change. With more international love-ins, group-think sessions, taxes and documents?

December 19, 2009 2:04 am

This is certainly change that I can believe in. NONE
I am happy to hear that nationalistic politics and economics got in the way of climate politics and economics.

Ron de Haan
December 19, 2009 2:05 am

They are still at it.

December 19, 2009 2:09 am

‘Who the God’s destroy they first make mad’. After several decades of manipulation, lies, group think, and worse, the inevitable result was bound to be chaos at Copenhagen. I long for us to get back to really caring for the planet (its lakes, rivers, forests, oceans and glorious varieties of species) and its people, instead of trying to tax carbon and establish a low CO2 based new world political order. Fortunately God’s mercy exceeds the stupidity and rapacity of the emerging international poltical elite.

Mr. Alex
December 19, 2009 2:20 am

Yesterday morning after reading an article in the guardian about Copenhagen,
I noticed quite a few skeptic comments ridiculing the AGW nonsense, some of these comments received up to 80 “recommendations” whilst alarmist comments received far less.
By late afternoon all skeptic comments had been “removed by a moderator”.

Wayne Richards
December 19, 2009 2:21 am

Sean Peake (00:04:55):
I couldn’t agree with you more. They’ll be back, even worse’n Arnie.
We may feel we had some good luck with Climategate and the ignored Russkie climate stations surfacing at just the right time. But were these even significant factors to those bozos? Or more: we may think those revelations were the unquestionable game-changers, but does your next door neighbour agree? Does he/she even know about them?
We had a victory (I think). But this is not the time to get stinkin’ drunk in wild celebration. This is the time to force the momentum (if we truly have any, and let’s suppose we do) and work even harder.
To our more excitable allies (and I am one of you, at times): perhaps now we should tone down our rhetoric to some more thoughtful and sober level. That can be very persuasive. Instead of louder, let’s try for more. Much more. We all have lots of neighbours, as yet untouched, who might respond to clear, non-threatening debate.

December 19, 2009 2:28 am

Now here’s a breakthrough the BBC giving sceptics a voice. True the questions posed are each countered by an AGW statement, and not all the questions are what this particular sceptic would have posed. Now we if we can get them to put the questions the other way around, the sceptics could counter their argument. The have at last conceded that CO2 rises after temperature (something that was denied on the Royal Society web site a year ago), but the AGW response that this time temperature is following CO2 goes unchallenged. They fail to put the sceptic view that there is no relationship in the geological records other than CO2 rising after temperature to indicate that temperature and CO2 levels are in any way related.
I guess it’s a start even if it’s a blatant attempt to rebuke the sceptics.

December 19, 2009 2:33 am

I have been reading comments from CAGW NGO-activists and they think this is the end of the world, a bigger failure than what they could have imagined in their worst nightmares. A step back from Kyoto with no binding agreements, no commitments, nothing, just promises. But the promises we already had before Copenhagen. So this is NOTHING, zero, nilch, nadda. This summit was a great victory for the skeptic side. It gives time, another 3 years at least to make the scientific case to the “world leaders” before any drastic sums of climate money start changing hands. And if “mother nature” lends us a helping hand with cooling temperatures, it can be done. This was the beginning of the end for climate alarmism.

Wayne Richards
December 19, 2009 2:37 am

John Page (11:01:57):
Yes, it’s about money. But even more, it’s about power. The two are not exactly the same.
The science, and the logic of the science, are all we have to fight with. It might be enough. But I would welcome any thoughts you and Sean Peake may have on other weaponry, strategy, tactics. It’s time to think hard and deep, and if possible present our own people with a strong plan.

December 19, 2009 2:42 am

Remember this?
Brown: “50 days to save world”
“PM warns of climate “catastrophe”
The UK faces a “catastrophe” of floods, droughts and killer heatwaves if world leaders fail to agree a deal on climate change, the prime minister has warned.
Gordon Brown said negotiators had 50 days to save the world from global warming and break the “impasse”.
He told the Major Economies Forum in London, which brings together 17 of the world’s biggest greenhouse gas-emitting countries, there was “no plan B”.”
…He said that 62 days ago.
And there was a “plan B”, which he was embarrassing himself trying to promote at Copenhagen, which was the original plan but excluded China. He was running around attempting this last-minute deal, but by then the gathering was already breaking up, and the Japanese were on their way home.
And they wonder why we don’t believe them, anymore.

December 19, 2009 2:43 am

From weather is not climate department:
Frankfurt/Germany has it’s coldest Dec 19th today (data since 1949),
last minimum record for today is -7.10 °C from 1963-12-19.
Currently, 11:30 CEST here, it’s: – 12.00 °C.

December 19, 2009 2:44 am

…and now after an all night session, the Copenhagen “Deal” has been officially
Just before the “Deal” was announced, there was a fast shuffle, the deck was
stacked, and calling for the ante froze out the little nations.
The politics seems a lot like the science in this “Deal of the Decade”.
Manhattan island & Washington D.C. area both under official “blizzard” warnings.

December 19, 2009 2:51 am

Copenhagen marks the high water mark of AGW. Thank goodness we’ve got passed it without any legally binding treaty to try to rearrange the entire global economy. There will not be another conference for a number of years, by which time the world may well have cooled a bit more, the reality of what Climategate means with regards to the science will be self evident. Next time round (and there will be a next time, too many careers are at stake) there will be many more dissenting voices.
Thank God the turkeys didn’t vote for Christmas!

December 19, 2009 2:51 am

savethesharks (19:36:19) :
From the Guardian:
“But he [Obama] said he would not be staying for the final vote because of weather constraints in Washington.”
From the DC NWS Broadcast:
… Record breaking December snowfall for Baltimore-Washington
metropolitan areas bringing hazardous winter weather to the region
overnight and Saturday
Is this climate change? Then it must be due to excess carbon emissions. Hey! Heads I win, tails you lose.

Paul Vaughan
December 19, 2009 2:55 am

michel (01:48:05) “We’ve seen collusion with the windmill lobby for the large scale industrial development of the few protected wild areas we have left in the name of conservation.”
This makes me irate. Do you have any related links?

December 19, 2009 2:55 am

Shameful. A lot of corrupt leaders and their cronies probably spent days before the conference setting up Swiss bank accounts in anticipation of getting billions and now they have to return empty handed. And it is Christmas. What are they going to tell all those relatives that were promised expensive cars, holidays and lots of loot.

Paul Vaughan
December 19, 2009 3:02 am

Wayne Richards (02:37:51) “It’s time to think hard and deep, and if possible present our own people with a strong plan.”
Agree. Come big or stay home.

son of mulder
December 19, 2009 3:02 am

” P Gosselin (01:33:02) :
Consider it dead and buried.”
No, consider it like the fairground game… as the head of one clown is bashed down another will pop up somewhere else.

Bob Boulton
December 19, 2009 3:09 am

So the end result is that some Swiss bank accounts get a boost!

December 19, 2009 3:11 am

Comment from BBC News24 this morning, regarding the freezing cold weather:
“Global warming may mean much colder winters”.

John Peter
December 19, 2009 3:18 am

Anyway here is the Copenhagen Accord for those interested in perusing the contents
It is not entirely clear what sort of Accord it is. Apparently it was not accepted by all 193 or so UN countries but “hammered through” by the UN Secretary General and countries can now decide if they want to sign or not as the case may be. I guess that if it is that “iffy” if it actually is a valid UN document it could generate court cases if big money is thrown towards the developing world without a proper legal basis. Time will show.

December 19, 2009 3:26 am

The BBC is claiming a succesful solution.

December 19, 2009 3:34 am

” Paul Vaughan (02:55:48) :
“… the windmill lobby for the large scale industrial development of the few protected wild areas we have left in the name of conservation.
“This makes me irate. Do you have any related links?”
… Try this one
“Winners to be revealed in £100bn bid battle to build UK windparks”

December 19, 2009 3:39 am

Here’s what the BBC’s Roger Black has to say:
“The concept that global environmental issues can and should be tackled on a co-operative international basis has taken a massive, massive blow.
The UN climate convention is the flagship agreement, and its outcomes are supposed to be negotiated. This deal was presented to the greater body of countries on a take-it-or-leave-it basis by small group of powerful players.
It is now debatable whether the UN climate convention has a meaningful future, or whether powerful countries will just decide by themselves, or in a small group, by how much they are prepared to cut emissions. ”
Well, at least he seems to have got something right, at last.
Now, remember that Barack Obama was going to be the President who restored the world’s faith in America by talking nicely to everybody instead of telling them all what to do. As someone seasonal would say: Ho, Ho, Ho.

dave ward
December 19, 2009 3:58 am

Some more information about the CRU’s connection with the whole sorry affair:

December 19, 2009 3:58 am

Patrick Davis (02:02:59) :
Largest recorded under-sea volcanic erruption…Add to this the volcano named “Beautiful” in the Phillipines about to blow it’s top…
I wonder how our “leaders” will off-set these emissions and prevent climate change. With more international love-ins, group-think sessions, taxes and documents?
Nope. They’ll all go trooping to Putney to search for sacrificial virgins…

December 19, 2009 3:58 am

View from a slightly liberal skeptic. President Obama played a blinder.
1.The “deal” is among the big emitters, and will stop any “race to the bottom” in emissions pledges. The EU was excluded as the Whitehouse recognises that they are infected by the Greens. ( There will follow a period of backbiting within the EU, expect the Danes to cop a load of Flak).
2. China takes the blame, – something they can live with. I suggest that for all their wailing we won’t see too many Greenpeace activists protesting in Tianamein Square!
3. The UN process has been shafted, the POTUS reconised that the whole UN/IPCC farago is damaged goods and wants to distance the US from it. The UEA e-mails may have had more of an effect here than anywhere else. I also cannot imagine that there will be a huge rush to offer to host any proposed follow up confence, ( see above re the Danes).
4. The 2deg C commitment could easily be achieved by “re-adjustment” of the figures over time, UK governments (including the administration of which the noble Lord Mockton was a member) do this all the time with the unemployment figures.
5. The 100bn is peanuts on a world scale (google TARP, NAMA or RBS to you see real money!) and a small price to shut up the trouble makers. In any case most of the money will never show up.
In other words President Obama has came up with exactly what President George W Bush would have aimed for, its just that he is a better showman( but probably less principled).
Finally, to quote a certain British Prime minster dealing with rather more serious matter: “Now this is not the end, nor is it even the beginning of the end, but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning”.

December 19, 2009 4:03 am

So…. As the Champagne-again conference winds down, and tired delegates lever their lardy arses into their limos for the ride to their awaiting jets, what have we learned about the U.N’s ability to organise a piss-up in a brewery town?
And these people want us to pay a tax on every financial transaction so they can build an unelected world government???
The simple way to thwart their plans is to stop using money systems which give them the opportunity to take a slice off your leg.
Cash is king.

December 19, 2009 4:10 am

It’s all in a day’s blizzard. He got there in one and returned in a bigger one.
Yes, it is climate change.
Ice Cold Climate Change.

December 19, 2009 4:11 am

More than 2,000 people have been evacuated from four Eurostar trains that were trapped in the Channel tunnel after breaking down due to the cold weather.
I know, I know, weather isn’t climate, as I always tell people.
But these guys seem to have no problem screaming dangerous climate change at the first sign of a mild heat wave in summer time. So, as I get ready to face blizzards on the East Coast of the U.S. today, I say “what global warming?”

December 19, 2009 4:14 am

First time I’ve been back to ‘realclimate’ for two or three weeks.Yes a big change but those they are claiming have ‘no connection’ with ‘realclimate’ are still in the cabal of 42 who authored together and then peer reviewed their own work. These crooks aren’t giving up the ghost without a fight.

Sam the Skeptic
December 19, 2009 4:21 am

The good thing that may have come out of this (apart from the fact that there is no agreement) is that the money for poor countries (which I hope does NOT include Zimbabwe) is to help them adapt to climate change which is, to my mind, the right approach.
If only we had seen what was coming sooner and shot down the fatuous pseudo-science of the eco-fascists — there was another one on the BBC ‘Any Questions’ programme last night telling us again that climate change is absolutely the worst thing that mankind has had to face – ever! Black Death, anybody? WW1? — we could have had a sensible debate about what (if anything) needed to be done to adapt, which is what human beings have always done and it looks from where I’m sitting we have done pretty well.
I think perhaps we have a window of opportunity here so can we all raise our voices in support of sane science and demand that these dollars do not go to the Maldives or Tuvalu where sea-levels are not threatening to engulf the islands or to countries where it will not be used for anything other than to inflate further the Swiss bank accounts of the corrupt politicians.
And can we also insist in every medium we can get our hands on that the the antics of the eco-fascists at Copenhagen demonstrate more than anything else that they are not interested in science; they do not understand science; that for them “climate change” is just another excuse to take to the streets for a confrontation with western civilisation and that the fake science surrounding CO2 is a manufactured excuse for them to further their agenda of destroying that very same civilisation.
And will somebody who understands the science better than I do, please explain in words of one syllable to the general public and to the politicians (who don’t understand it, either — and why should they?) precisely what will be the effects on our quality of life — transport, energy, health, etc. — of a 50% reduction in emissions of CO2?

December 19, 2009 4:21 am

[The draft text] asks Africa to sign a suicide pact, an incineration pact in order to maintain the economic dominance of a few countries. It is a solution based on values, the very same values in our opinion that funnelled six million people in Europe into furnaces.
So, the holocaust meme comes back to bite the warmists in chief on the backside.

M White
December 19, 2009 4:24 am

“The so-called Copenhagen accord “recognises” the scientific case for keeping temperature rises to no more than 2C but did not contain commitments to emissions reductions to achieve that goal.”
It said on the news this morning that they had agreed to limit the rise to within 2C of pre-industrial levels. Do we know how they define pre-industrial temperature?
Did president Obama have any problems with the weather on his way back to the US? Just interested? In the British media the winter weather in the rest of the Northern Hemisphere is know where to be seen.

David H
December 19, 2009 4:25 am

Now that we are going to limit global warming to 2 degrees C (I wonder if that applies to global cooling as well), next year let’s limit tides to 2m and the year after hurricanes should be restricted to 2 a year and the year after that ……

Paul Martin
December 19, 2009 4:26 am

Why is it that North American television commentators pronounce East Anglia as if it were East Angola? (It’s pronounced ann-glee-ah.)

Jon Jewett
December 19, 2009 4:29 am

To make the delegates feel better, Mrs. Bill Clinton promised them $100,000,000,000 to divide up into their Swiss bank accounts.
Too bad these United States are bankrupt. President Obama will have to borrow it from the Communist Chinese before he can give it away. Then the despots will be his “very best friend”.
Got children? Pity them!
Steamboat Jack

December 19, 2009 4:33 am

The Club of Rome’s (members: Al Gore, Kofi Annan, Tony Blair, Javier Solano, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter et al) plan for global dictatorship has been derailed, for the moment.
Climategate inquiries in Britan and America will hopefully expose the Club of Rome’s evil plan for what it is. If not, we’re going to have to get physical.

December 19, 2009 4:36 am

China has smashed the AGW scam and try as the Euroweenie’s might, it will never succeed.
As everyone should have realised before Copenhagen, China is not going to imperil its economic development for anyone. In the last few centuries, China has been bullied and trashed by Japan and Europe. Now it wealthy and militarily strong, it refuses to be pushed around.
Nor is China interested in the one world government lark. They’ll be keeping their sovereignty thanks very much, not passing it over to a bunch of Europeans, Africans and less developed Asian countries who are supposed to pay tribute to the middle kingdom. Nor does the Chinese government need AGW as a tax excuse. All those rationales that may be persuasive to EU governments are of no interest to them.
If China doesn’t restrict emissions, no way will the US do so. It simply will not get through Congress. And forget about any cooperation from the rest of BRIC. So there’s 2/3 or so of world emissions off the table.
The Europeans and the green NGOs and the UN and the bludging third world dictators and the warmist scientific frauds can all pout, throw tantrums, hold their breath till they’re blue in the face but it will make no difference. China will not budge, and so there will be no global agreement of any consequence on this matter, ever.

M White
December 19, 2009 4:41 am

Aswered my own question.
Airfirce One in the snow

December 19, 2009 4:53 am

“FWIW: I just read that, back in the day, East Anglia was the headquarters of the Pilgrim / Puritan movement.”
And today is mostly known for – how shall we put it delicately – a long tradition of “close families”.

December 19, 2009 4:54 am

I did a post on the Guardian website as leicestersq. It was deleted by the moderator.
All I can think of was stating my belief that ‘manmade global warming was a load of tosh’. I think that those were the words.
I didnt insult anyone, just the theory. I am entitled to my beliefs.
And it appears that the Guardian wont let those beliefs be expressed.

Mark Fisher
December 19, 2009 4:55 am

Can I amend this phrase in the article: “falling far short of what Britain and many poor countries were seeking”
to “falling far short of what Britain and many OTHER poor countries were seeking”.
It’s a small but necessary change to preserve accuracy.

December 19, 2009 5:03 am

A Daniel B. Botkin, professor emeritus in the Department of Ecology, Evolution, and Marine Biology at the University of California, Santa Barbara, has just published an opinion article at the Wall Street Journal Online titled “Global Warming and an Odd Bull Moose.”
I won’t post it here observing the journal’s copyright. But it is a brilliant piece I’m sure most here will connect with. Its an observation regarding climate models. It captures my own thinking regarding their likely accuracy as well as my position on the new way of studying science.
Do try to give it a read.

December 19, 2009 5:09 am

Roger Carr (19:42:47) :
All I want for Christmas is me incandescent light bulbs back.
(Heck with my two front teeth.)

Ditto! Can we do this before my stock runs empty? In a cold country like mine (it is -13C outside now), incandescent light bulbs are 100% effective when used indoors. Most people here heat their homes using electric power anyway.
That nonsense about banning incandescent light bulbs is really annoying and expensive.

December 19, 2009 5:09 am

BBc is now admitting a partal success

December 19, 2009 5:12 am

With any luck, if the representatives of the G-77 countries keep screaming for a few weeks demanding action on catastrophic man made global warming and the dopey MSM gives them the oxygen of publicity (apparently one loon mutilated herself), then an unintended consequence will be that the general public (who don’t follow this blog, WUWT, CA etc.) will finally be appaised of the AGW scam and also realise the extent to which they are being shafted by the useless politicians.
Possibly then the people who placed their trust in these “science is settled” loons will start taking notice, think about it and then the pennies will start to drop.

December 19, 2009 5:20 am

Stan Needham (19:31:18) :
But, but, but, but……..the AP said it was an “unprecendented” agreement.
And indeed it was. It was the first last and only time that an agreement will be made at COP15. Thus it is without precedent.

Peter S
December 19, 2009 5:22 am

Climate is just the vehicle. This is about really power and money. The UN cannot exist as ‘world-government’ without funds and so it is essential for it to set up a working structure ready for the input of those funds and bully the world into accepting that structure.
Think of this as an inverse international drug cartel… where ‘dollar’ is the drug of choice. First the cartel (the West) has to get the victim (the Third World) to sample its product. It does this through promises and threats. Once hooked, the Third World will quickly become dependent upon a regular supply of ‘dollar’ being delivered to its door. In fact, like most junkies, its previous ability to get on with an independent life will quickly collapse into a rabid dependency on the suppler for its regular ‘fix’ of dollar.
In turn, the cartel will harvest the dollar it exports from the fields of the poor amongst its own people. In its unprocessed form of ‘tax’, the cartel will screw the highest yields it can from those who will feel it most – the poor of the West… using the power it has grabbed to threaten – and carry out – ‘punishment’ if the demanded quotas are not met.
The Third World, meanwhile will sing and dance to whatever tune the cartel whistles… fully aware of the threat of withdrawal of its drug supply if it isn’t compliant (democracy be-damned!).
Far-fetched? Without any shame, UK Environment Secretary Ed Miliband was already threatening the Third World yesterday that his demands “would have to be endorsed to unlock funds outlined in the deal, including $30 billion in “quick-start” aid from 2010-12, rising to $100 billion (£62bn) a year from 2020.” (Daily Telegraph).

December 19, 2009 5:27 am

Hurrah the agw buffons have failed! Thanks to Watts Up, Climate Audit, and all the other blogs which have single-handedly stood firm on demanding real science be provided before we all start handing the keys of our cars to some twit from the UN.
This opaque project to control the citizenry of the world through energy rationing has failed miserably. I reckon even Obama tweaked that this is all less about any real threat to mankind, and more about greed, control and fanatsy ideologies.

December 19, 2009 5:36 am

This is analogous to Howard Dean criticizing Obama for not being left enough.
IOW, business as usual. So what?

Stephen Brown
December 19, 2009 5:40 am

China has got it’s priorities right:-
“The meeting has had a positive result, everyone should be happy. After negotiations both sides have managed to preserve their bottom line. For the Chinese this was our sovereignty and our national interest.”
THEIR ‘national interest’ comes first!

December 19, 2009 5:43 am
December 19, 2009 5:45 am

A point that other commentators have missed (and one that especially those who are not in the US may not realize) is that the promised $100 billion is just magic pixie dust, not real. The first thing that Obama said when he got back to the states is “nothing is legally binding on the US.” Which means no money unless Congress votes for it, and that means in an election year Congress is going to be asked (with voters already worried about the deficits!) to give away $100 billion (or 30, or whatever) to countries that have promised nothing.
So will this money be appropriated? Oh hell no, this is just another airy-fairy promise that will get swept under the rug. When the time comes and someone brings it up, an excuse will be found for not doing it. That’s about all Obama is really good at.

December 19, 2009 5:47 am

Michael Mann in the Washington Post.
I stopped reading comments at when they got to about 150, but the ones I saw were easily 10 to 1 against.

December 19, 2009 5:53 am

Thanks Wattsupwiththat!
The naive conspirers, thanks God (to the God they don´t believe in) were:
aghast, horrified, shocked, amazed, stunned, appalled, astonished, startled, astounded, confounded, awestruck, horror-struck, thunder-struck

Bruce Cobb
December 19, 2009 6:05 am

Martin Brumby (01:22:25) :
OK, we won a battle.
Now we have to win a war.

Not just any battle, though. I believe this defeat will prove to be their Waterloo. Yes, of course the war will go on, and we need to keep the pressure on so that they don’t regain the momentum they have now lost. Political support for the AGW/CC “Cause”, especially in the U.S., where it was weakest to begin with, is crumbling though, as is support for its primary promoters, the Democrats, who will very likely see punishing losses in the mid-term elections next year. That will be a further warning shot across the bow to Obama and bedfellows to beware; they could be next on the chopping block.

Dermot Carroll
December 19, 2009 6:13 am

One thing that concerns me about this, is how the third and developing world sees the west/developed world.There’s already enough animosity between these two (or three) different camps. Part of the campaign of propaganda promoting the AGW theory, is the treat of floods, famine, storms etc… threatening particular areas of the world.
Over the following years and decades, every nature disaster (weather related) will be blamed on on the west and the desire to migrate away from these supposedly threatened regions will increase.

December 19, 2009 6:14 am

This isn’t over. The transparency/compliance mechanism is nothing like what the Senate wanted. Statements by nations of “voluntary” emission goals will be micro-scrutinized by skeptics and the loopholes will soon be made evident and public. Climategate will spread and further erode support for AGW “science”. The battle now moves to the States. Be ready.

December 19, 2009 6:14 am

Copenhagen was less about Golbal Warming than many suppose. The issue of AGW was taken over by politicians, billionaires, marxists, anarchists, and nuts of every kind and gender. Copenhagen was a chance, a real opportunity, to “Change the Social Order” and make some great profits; changing the weather, or saving the third world from flooding, draught, and climate change was never a serious goal –just a slogan on a banner. The organizers were disappointed in the end result but they were not defeated. They live to fight another day, and they certainly will fight another day; bet on it.

December 19, 2009 6:14 am

More of this cold weather in the northern hemisphere, and in particular the US, and the US might, just might have a real crisis on its hands – freezing. I wonder if the US citizens are wise enough to realise they are suffering some of the coldest weather in history, and asking the question what global warming, are you out of your mind President Obama? Or are they brainless as ever and still believe in a rapid rises in temperatures to be followed by global warming catastrophe?

Pamela Gray
December 19, 2009 6:14 am

Articles are being prepared as we sleep about how “rotten the ic…er…snow has become”. And how much more “violent the hurri…er…snow storms have risen to”, all due to CO2. Courtesy RC. That’s why the site is down. It takes awhile to wordfind “ice” and “hurricanes” so that the articles can be resubmitted. In the biz, we call those “reconstituted papers”. Same data, different spin.

December 19, 2009 6:16 am
December 19, 2009 6:18 am

Surely the talks have therefore been a success?
“anyone who challenges the AGW assertion is treated as though they were advocating wife beating, so they stay silent on the issue.” — correct geronimo.

December 19, 2009 6:22 am

With all the “positives” Obama promised, he conditioned them with the phrase, “consistant with science”. Has climategate caused him to have some doubts about his appointed economic, energy, and environmental science advisors? Hopefully, there will be some positive changes.

December 19, 2009 6:23 am

“Failure?” I hope so. This could also be an incremental step towards eventually getting what they want.

Paul R
December 19, 2009 6:25 am

I can’t believe we don’t have an iron clad planetary regime after all that fuss and bother.
They’re going to have to go the back-door route with a global goods and services tax to provide us with the Malthusian utopia we’ve been promised for so long.
The Mississippi sea should have woken us up.

Leon Brozyna
December 19, 2009 6:33 am

It’s official.
It’s a failure.
The Copenhagen Conference did not approve the agreement reached by Obama, China, India, Brazil, & S. Africa. Instead they decided to only “take note” of the agreement.
So, with apologies to Mr. Bill Shakespeare,
Copenhagen’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

December 19, 2009 6:33 am

Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd was interviewed about Copenhagen on Nine Network TV tonight. The reporter actually laughed when Rudd described Copenhagen as a success.

December 19, 2009 6:33 am

evanmjones 22:58- a quote from The Yes Album!? Obscure but most welcome.
The tribute money can be called Copengeld
It’s like Danegeld, but it’s to help folks Copin’ with “global” “warming”. Or to line the pockets of tyrants and bureaucrats…

December 19, 2009 6:34 am

Haaaaallalujah! Haaaaallalujah! Hallalujah! Hallalujah! Hallaaaaaaaluujah!

December 19, 2009 6:45 am

Anthony … quote of the week candidate … or at least humor quote of the week. ☺☺
Derryman said, I suggest that for all their wailing we won’t see too many Greenpeace activists protesting in Tiananmen Square!
Good one …

December 19, 2009 6:47 am

2 things on ‘realclimate’. 1. Gary is attacking Scarfetta for not sharing his data or code – says he can’t by hook or by crook replicate his findings – However,in the comments another chap says ‘yes,I was able to reproduce the work from what was included in the paper,no problem’ ( oops,titter). 2. A link to a presentation that Scarfetta gave to the EPA. I found it interesting. I really don’t know why these people can’t see that with all this money riding on the outcome,we want to be sure AGW is based on proper (not ‘post-normal’) science?

Hugo M
December 19, 2009 6:53 am

alantrer (05:03:11) : A Daniel B. Botkin, professor emeritus in the Department of Ecology, Evolution, and Marine Biology at the University of California, Santa Barbara, has just published an opinion article at the Wall Street Journal Online titled “Global Warming and an Odd Bull Moose.”
I won’t post it here observing the journal’s copyright. But it is a brilliant piece I’m sure most here will connect with. Its an observation regarding climate models. It captures my own thinking regarding their likely accuracy as well as my position on the new way of studying science.
Do try to give it a read.

Really, that’s worth reading. Thank you very much. Here is also the link:

December 19, 2009 6:53 am

Beware of people like the Norwegian Minister of the Environment, Erik Solheim in the coming months
“Minister of the Environment, Erik Solheim (SV) is of the opinion that countries who wish to sabotage the climate negotiations got too much room to perform their action during the summit in Copenhagen.
– The conference exposed major weaknesses in the organization of the international climate effort. We allowed far too much so that countries that wanted to ruin the conference could use up valuable time on pure procedural questions. We must prevent this the next time, ” said Mr Solheim to VG Net”
Translated from Norwegian

John Silver
December 19, 2009 7:01 am

ATD (04:53:26) :
“FWIW: I just read that, back in the day, East Anglia was the headquarters of the Pilgrim / Puritan movement.”
And today is mostly known for – how shall we put it delicately – a long tradition of “close families”.
Alan Partridge: “Norwich is an attitude,”

December 19, 2009 7:02 am

Sorry, OT, but a foot and a half of snow here in western MD overnite and continuing, accumulating on power lines & trees. Electricity hasn’t gone out yet, but the strong winds won’t start until Sunday when the storm passes to the east.
Did Al Bore fly back into DC?

Ian L. McQueen
December 19, 2009 7:06 am

From the Telegraph weather report:
“Most of the snow is falling in East Anglia [plus Essex and Kent] and will continue to do so,” she said.
Nature’s revenge for Climategate?

December 19, 2009 7:11 am

The conference ends as a shambles and Portsmouth just beat Liverpool 2 – 0 !
My cup runneth over….

cynical bastard
December 19, 2009 7:13 am

Why is it that North American television commentators pronounce East Anglia as if it were East Angola?
Because it IS. 😀

December 19, 2009 7:15 am

Obama: ‘This manmade global warming is a crock of poop isn’t it?’
Wen: ‘Yep.’
Obama: ‘What are we going to do?’
Wen: ‘Why don’t we just say we won’t let the Earth warm up by more than 2 degrees?’
Obama: ‘Good idea. The only ones we can trust to tell us what the temperature really is don’t believe in this fairy story either.’
Wen: ‘What about emissions?’
Obama: ‘Not bothered.’
Wen: ‘Me neither.’

December 19, 2009 7:16 am

“it was left to Barack Obama and Wen Jiabao, the Chinese premier, to broker a political agreement. The so-called Copenhagen accord “recognises” the scientific case for keeping temperature rises to no more than 2C”
Is it any wonder no-one takes this bunch of Cnuts seriously?

Galen Haugh
December 19, 2009 7:18 am

Three overriding facts:
CO2 is beneficial, not deleterious.
The sun and the stars control our climate.
The base component of climate is weather.
Use these three demonstrable facts and you can win an argument against false science every time. The term “climate change” has been hijacked by the powers that would enslave us–don’t be fooled; a changing climate is the status quo and doesn’t need “saving”.

Ian L. McQueen
December 19, 2009 7:22 am

Dave Wendt (21:11:12) : “I’d like to feel relieved, but I can’t escape the notion that these folks are a nightmare combination of Freddy Krueger, Michael from”Halloween”, Jason from “Friday the 13th”, and the “Terminator” all rolled into one. No matter how many times you think they’ve finally been stopped, they keep rising zombie like from the flaming ruins and resuming the chase.”
The Whack-a-mole game comes to mind…..

December 19, 2009 7:24 am

Oh how i wished AGW was real. At least a little. Here in Braunschweig, Germany, temperature this morning was -14 degrees Celsius. Which i last remember at this time of the year in about 1982 or so.

Robert Kral
December 19, 2009 7:30 am

Let’s just hope that other attempts to impose world socialism are equally effective. These people are not going to go away easily- it’s what they do because they have no actual productive skills.