This was the scene yesterday in Copenhagen. As you can see the scene is rather agitated with lots of police action, including use of billy clubs. As of this writing, no pictures or video is available of Lord Monckton’s account below. Hopefully somebody in the crowd will post some. I wish him well. I’ll also be glad when this conference is over. It has shown government at its worst.
From The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley in Copenhagen at the SPPI blog:
Today the gloves came off and the true purpose of the “global warming” scare became nakedly visible. Hugo Chavez, the Socialist president of Venezuela, blamed “global warming” on capitalism – and received a standing ovation from very nearly all of the delegates, lamentably including those from those of the capitalist nations of the West that are on the far Left – and that means too many of them.
Previously Robert Mugabe, dictator of Rhodesia, who had refused to leave office when he had been soundly defeated in a recent election, had also won plaudits at the conference for saying that the West ought to pay him plenty of money in reparation of our supposed “climate debt”.
Inside the conference center, “world leader” after “world leader” got up and postured about the need to Save The Planet, the imperative to do a deal, the necessity to save the small island nations from drowning, etc., etc., etc.
Outside, in the real world, it was snowing, and a foretaste of the Brave New World being cooked up by “world leaders” in their fantasy-land was already evident. Some 20,000 observers from non-governmental organizations – nearly all of them true-believing Green groups funded by taxpayers – had been accredited to the conference.
However, without warning the UN had capriciously decided that all but 300 of them were to be excluded from the conference today, and all but 90 would be excluded on the final day.
Of course, this being the inept UN, no one had bothered to notify those of the NGOs that were not true-believers in the UN’s camp. So Senator Steve Fielding of Australia and I turned up with a few dozen other delegates, to be left standing in the cold for a couple of hours while the UN laboriously worked out what to do with us.
In the end, they decided to turn us away, which they did with an ill grace and in a bad-tempered manner. As soon as the decision was final, the Danish police moved in. One of them began the now familiar technique of manhandling me, in the same fashion as one of his colleagues had done the previous day.
Once again, conscious that a police helicopter with a high-resolution camera was hovering overhead, I thrust my hands into my pockets in accordance with the St. John Ambulance crowd-control training, looked my assailant in the eye and told him, quietly but firmly, to take his hands off me.
He complied, but then decided to have another go. I told him a second time, and he let go a second time. I turned to go and, after I had turned my back, he gave me a mighty shove that flung me to the ground and knocked me out.
I came to some time later (not sure exactly how long), to find my head being cradled by my friends, some of whom were doing their best to keep the police thugs at bay while the volunteer ambulance-men attended to me.
I was picked up and dusted me off. I could not remember where I had left my telephone, which had been in my hand at the time when I was assaulted. I rather fuzzily asked where it was, and one of the police goons shouted, “He alleges he had a mobile phone.”
In fact, the phone was in my coat pocket, where my hand had been at the time of the assault. The ambulance crew led me away and laid me down under a blanket for 20 minutes to get warm, plying me with water and keeping me amused with some colorfully colloquial English that they had learned.
I thanked them for their kindness, left them a donation for their splendid service, and rejoined my friends. A very senior police officer then came up and asked if I was all right. Yes, I said, but no thanks to one of his officers, who had pushed me hard from behind when my back was turned and had sent me flying.
The police chief said that none of his officers would have done such a thing. I said that several witnesses had seen the incident, which I intended to report. I said I had hoped to receive an apology but had not received one, and would include that in my report. The policeman went off looking glum, and with good reason.
To assault an accredited representative of a conference your nation is hosting, and to do it while your own police cameramen are filming from above, and to do it without any provocation except my polite, non-threatening request that I should not be manhandled, is not a career-enhancing move, as that police chief is about to discover to his cost.
Nor does this incident, and far too many like it, reflect the slightest credit on Denmark. We must make reasonable allowance for the fact that the unspeakable security service of the UN, which is universally detested by those at this conference, was ordering the Danish police about. The tension between the alien force and the indigenous men on the ground had grown throughout the conference.
However, the Danish police were far too free with their hands when pushing us around, and that is not acceptable in a free society. But then, Europe is no longer a free society. It is, in effect, a tyranny ruled by the unelected Kommissars of the European Union. That is perhaps one reason why police forces throughout Europe, including that in the UK, have become far more brutal than was once acceptable in their treatment of the citizens they are sworn to serve.
It is exactly this species of tyranny that the UN would like to impose upon the entire planet, in the name of saving us from ourselves – or, as Ugo Chavez would put it, saving us from Western capitalist democracy.
A few weeks ago, at a major conference in New York, I spoke about this tendency towards tyranny with Dr. Vaclav Klaus, the distinguished economist and doughty fighter for freedom and democracy who is President of the Czech Republic.
While we still have one or two statesmen of his caliber, there is hope for Europe and the world. Unfortunately, he refused to come to Copenhagen, telling me that there was no point, now that the lunatics were firmly in control of the asylum.
However, I asked him whether the draft Copenhagen Treaty’s proposal for what amounted to a communistic world government reminded him of the Communism under which he and his country had suffered for so long.
He thought for a moment – as statesmen always do before answering an unusual question – and said, “Maybe it is not brutal. But in all other respects, what it proposes is far too close to Communism for comfort.”
Today, as I lay in the snow with a cut knee, a bruised back, a banged head, a ruined suit, and a written-off coat, I wondered whether the brutality of the New World Order was moving closer than President Klaus – or any of us – had realized.
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Having been their and done that I woulds suggest that the said police would have had a very hard day/week. 99.9% of those involved (just look at your TV ) are NGO Greene’s who had been giving the police a very hard time all week long, i would think that our good Lord M. was unfortunately in the wrong place at the wrong time. In my opinion (not worth the ink ) the mistake was when the police arrested nearly 1,000 in the first days, was that they let them all go, the immediate opinion was we have won ! If the police had put the 1,000 in a football stadium and left them there for 24 hours taken there passports, and stamped them all with deportation orders ( explain that when you try and go on holiday ) this problem would not of happened
What a disgrace. The bard sums it up:
“Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.”
(William Shakespeare)
“My bounty is as boundless as the sea;
The more I give to thee, the more I have;
For both are infinite.”
(Gorezillions Brown)
Jackson, you may have a PhD in physics and you may claim to be an intellectual. However, your various posts contain a number of factual and logical errors.
Your claim that “AGW deniers ARE intellectually very similar to Holocaust deniers” has no factual basis. Obviously you are not a member of MENSA, nor do you know even some simple things about MENSA. There is a Mensan saying on their website that “in a room with 12 Mensans, you will find at least 13 differing opinions on any given subject.” So having differing opinions does not mean that so-called AGW deniers are intellectually inferior to AGW believers as you have implied.
For your comparison between AGW and the Holocaust to be valid, you need to demonstrate that there are similarities that justify the comparison. Otherwise you are comparing apples with oranges, not apples with apples. The Holocaust is based on real-life survivors and witnesses, gas chambers and mass graves. AGW cannot be based on anecdotes, but on statistics to show 2 things (1) global temperature rises and more importantly (2) the causative connection between rising CO2 and rising global temperatures. The Holocaust is also based on a fixed period in time where certain things (atrocities) occurred. AGW is based on a far more extended period of time, including ongoing global temperature conditions.
The fact that the world has not warmed in more than a decade shows that there is no causative connection between CO2 and global temperatures. So to try and make the connection between AGW and the Holocaust is really intellectually dishonest as the basis and period for assessment is very different and the AGW theory is now rightfully in doubt due to changing circumstances.
You also claim that “The IPCC and real scientists triumph because they produce valid analysis of real data. ” No, they don’t. Firstly, they hide the raw data, even when requests have been made repeatedly to them to produce the raw data on which they base their results. Secondly, they make sure their work cannot be independently verified, other than by other scientists within their own clique who share their views. They are even prepared to destroy the raw data if the requests are made under the FOI Act as the climategate emails reveal. You call them real scientists?
You dismiss climategate as “…nothing more than specious out-of-context use of stolen data and quotes by people without scientific insight or talent…”
Ok, so can you explain the context for IPCC co-author Kevin Trenberth’s admission that “the fact is that we cannot account for the lack of warming at the moment and it’s a travesty that we can’t.” Just because some statements require a context for proper interpretation does NOT mean that all statements must require a context. There are statements that can be interpreted correctly even on the basis of stand alone.
Also, it is incorrect for you to claim that the climategate emails are being examined only by “people without scientific insight or talent.” There ARE scientists looking into the emails, computer codes and data. So what if many of us do not have scientific training or background? Not having an indepth knowledge on a particular subject does not mean that we cannot acquire certain knowledge and use it intelligently to make some basic assessments ourselves. After all, not every statement or claim they make is based on their indepth knowledge and background. Simple question – does any climate scientist actually know exactly how much reduction in CO2 emissions is needed to reduce global temperatures by exactly 2 degrees as politicians claim they can do in Copenhagen ?
You also claim that “my statements stand for themselves — no self validation or authority needed. ” What your statements (and anyone else’s for that matter) stand for is nothing more than opinions, unless they fulfill one or more conditions, such as (1) your statements are inherently self-evident as true, which in your case they are not, or (2) your statements are based on sound logic that others with a similar IQ can easily follow (unless you think you have such a high IQ, you are so far ahead of everyone else that nobody can follow your reasoning) or (3) your statements are based on what others have proven to be true, something which you have dismissed as “no … authority needed.”
I could go on and on in exposing more errors and fallacies in your statements and arguments, as I am capable of very detailed analysis, identifying the various issues/factors/concepts involved as well as articulating my reasons and arguments, but what I have set out is sufficient, not for you obviously as no amount of facts and sound logic will convince you, but for others to judge for themselves. it is now way past midnight where I live. Your having a PhD does not scare me into avoiding a debate with you, but I do have a life outside of blogging. Good night!
Did Lord Monckton get the name of the fascist thug who shoved him? If so, please make it public.
ackson (21:07:23) :
2. …Some fine organic wine is open.
Well Jackson is the usual activist hypocrite. Wine is made by placing grape juice and yeast in a closed container and adding a glass bubbler. The bubbler releases the CO2 to the atmosphere so the pressure build up does not cause an explosion….
He should take a good long look at the economics of Rhodesia vs Zimbabwe and decide if he truly wants to live the rest of his life in a semi-starvation state. That is the ultimate goal, to turn the entire world into a Zimbabwe. It has been stated flatly by our would be World Leaders.
These chilling words are the ones Maurice Strong used for the opening session of the Rio Conference (Earth Summit II) in 1992, that industrialized countries have:
“Developed and benefited from the unsustainable patterns of production and consumption which have produced our present dilemma. It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class—involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work-place air-conditioning, and suburban housing—are not sustainable. A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmentally damaging consumption patterns.”
Said shift can be seen in the Two Bills presented to Congress in 2004- The Wildlands Project – HR 1964 and S 999:
The goal of bills like these can be seen in the Wildlands Map: http://www.mtmultipleuse.org/wilderness/wildlands_map.htm
I have the 1000 page “Land Use Plan” made up for my county by one of these UN NGOs. My farm and all my neighbor’s farms will become “wildlife corridors” so this isn’t some useless “conspiracy theory” not when a tiny southern hick county get one of these land use plans made for them.
(quoting Mr.David Rockefeller):
“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years……..It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.” Zyuganov reported (Sovetskaya Rossiya, 10 Apr 97)
Maurice Strong is a trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation that funds the likes of Greenpeace Sierra Club and WWF. He is also a member of The Commission on Global Governance.The Commission believes that the U.N. should protect the “security of the people” inside the borders of sovereign nations, with or without the invitation of the national government. It proposes the expansion of an NGO “early warning” network to function through the Petitions Council to alert the U.N. to possible action.
NGOs are non-democratic organizations the UN uses to brain wash Activists like Jackson. A good explaination of Maurice Strong’s elegant solution to a bloodless power grab through the UN control NGOs is here: http://www.americanpolicy.org/un/theunsdirty.htm It is a must read.
“As a result of the constant pounding of the doomsday message, Americans have been convinced to give up their property rights, turn back their technology and even to give up their national sovereignty through documents like the Biodiversity treaty. So effective is the process that American leaders, even the Republican Congress, utter no opposition. Of course, Bill Clinton and Al Gore are leading the charge to support and enhance the UN’s growing power.
The UN is now moving to vastly expand the power and influence of NGO’s. NGO’s will now begin to lobby for the United States to support the UN’s desire for international tax revenue. NGO’s will also be given the power to oversee and implement treaty’s such as the Biodiversity treaty that will give the UN control of American sovereignty. That means private environmental organizations will be given power over our elected officials. Such language is already written into the Biodiversity treaty, and if Congress votes to ratify it, NGO power will be a “done deal”.”
The WTO and “harmonization of national laws” was also done under Clinton’s Administration as well as “the President’s Council on Sustainable Development” which divides the country into ten regions run by non-elected NGOs
Here is the elite’s plan for the USA in black and white: http://www.sovereignty.net/p/sd/gorerio.htm
And here is what it means. Global Warming is just one of many fronts we have to fight and we must realize it is only one battle in the war for our freedom. http://www.freedom.org/el-97/sep97/pcsd-sep97.htm
Sympathy and best wishes to you, Lord Monckton. Please apply your considerable determination to making the Copenhagen police’s lives a misery.
Many thanks too for pursuing your resistance to this stupid pseudoscience with such spirit.
CLIMATE CRIMINALS = http://www.M4GW.com
So sorry to hear about Lord Monckton’s adventure.He is a brave and honest man with many supporters. Surely, the MSM must report this in some detail in which case there could be a small silver lining to this unfortunate episode. I trust the good lord takes due care in the future but I am certain it will only make him even more determined that science will prevail.
It’s nothing short of bone-chilling watching the UN and environmentalism slowly coalescing into an instrument for world wide socialism.
How ironic that our (the USA’s) former allies and formerly free coutries are the ones pushing tyranny, and our former adversaries in eastern Europe are now our most reliable allies. 0bama is doing his best to turn those current allies against us, I’m afraid to say.
Our greatest hope now is to do all we can to get the truth revealed in the Climategate emails and the analysis of long-hidden raw data out to the public. Even if the MSM chooses to ignore it, the internet is a powerful megaphone, and word of mouth goes a long way too.
Luckily, if your problem is ED, there are at least two medications that can help. The most popular is, I believe, a little blue pill.
First, let me say that because of Lord Monckton and Dr. Tim Ball here in Canada I have a better understanding of what’s really going on in our climate, both in the political and atmospheric sense, as it applies to AGW. Get well soon, Lord Monckton. We need you and others like you to continue the fight for what is right.
Secondly, unlike the other “Jackson”, this is my real name. I don’t have a need to hide behind pseudonyms. And, unlike the other “Jackson”, I’m not an “intellectual by nature” nor do I have a degree of any kind. I am a simple man with an interest in science and truth, things that “Jackson” has already admitted he has no interest in. One thing I have learned in my life is that people who hide behind pseudonyms, or anything else, are nothing but cowards. If he/she truly believed in the cause and was willing to fight for it, openly and honestly, he/she would not be hiding behind anything. He/she is here merely to instigate and entice. This is what bullies do. Another thing bullies do is try to make you feel inferior. “Jackson” does this by bragging about his Phd and his intellectual nature. But, I understand the bully mentallity. The last thing a bully want is for someone to stand up to him. Some of you have done that quite well and Thank You for that. Eventually, when the bully sees that he/she can’t push anyone around they will run. When “Jackson” stops posting we will have done our job. Eventually he/she will take his/her hockey stick and go home, playing the victim the whole way.
As for the eco-bullies, the last thing they want is a real fight. Like all bullies, they are OK pushing you around but, if we were to push back, they would scurry like the rats they are. I’m not advocating violence but, the one thing bullies truly understand is an equal or greater response. I honestly hope it doesn’t come to that. My sincerest hope is that our political leaders pull their heads out of their a**es and see this for what it is. I’m not holding my breath, though. I am encouraged to see Canada not mentioned as one of the countries ready to sign on. That will probaby change but, I hope not. Somebody has to be the rebel who stands up for what is right. I’m just not sure Mr. Harper has the stomach for it.t.
B.W.J.
Re: Jackson,
Don’t pay too much attention to him. His response is the self-aggrandizing posturing bravado of one who is struggling to come to terms with the nightmare of his cherished beliefs tumbling before his eyes. Thus the words he uses represent the opposite of reality.
His words speak of a fading dream – congress to be overturned by a clamouring populace, “deniers” disappearing into the sunset.
Please let him dream on in peace.
One more thing for “Jackson”. Don’t confuse intellect and a degree for intelligence.
oh my god! 🙂
SO I’m confused-the leftist cops were called in to beat up Moncton and the rightist cops that were beating up the leftist nazis protestors were sent home? Do they wear the same or different unies so you can tell who is going to get beat up or is it more of a musical chairs type of thing? It used to be just the leftie nazi greenies that got beat up. You just can’t count on anything anymore!!!
Lord Moncton is the couragous hero for freedom in our time!! He is the Paul Revere warning us that One World dictatorship and communism is galloping on the climate change horse.
That poor policeman. What a rotten job.
Was this before or after calling for Chairman Pachauri to be stripped from office ‘though ?
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/originals/letter_to_pachauri.html
B. Jackson
Secondly, unlike the other “Jackson”, this is my real name. I don’t have a need to hide behind pseudonyms. And, unlike the other “Jackson”, I’m not an “intellectual by nature” nor do I have a degree of any kind. I am a simple man with an interest in science and truth, things that “Jackson” has already admitted he has no interest in. One thing I have learned in my life is that people who hide behind pseudonyms, or anything else, are nothing but cowards. If he/she truly believed in the cause and was willing to fight for it, openly and honestly, he/she would not be hiding behind anything. He/she is here merely to instigate and entice. This is what bullies do. Another thing bullies do is try to make you feel inferior. “Jackson” does this by bragging about his Phd and his intellectual nature. But, I understand the bully mentallity. The last thing a bully want is for someone to stand up to him. Some of you have done that quite well and Thank You for that. Eventually, when the bully sees that he/she can’t push anyone around they will run. When “Jackson” stops posting we will have done our job. Eventually he/she will take his/her hockey stick and go home, playing the victim the whole way.’
Well said!
I’m afraid bullying is more common in science than you might hope for. I was bullied, emotionally, in my PhD. It was very insidious. I was bullied in a management consultancy, stood up to it and succeeded and was then promoted in a way to have me bullied again. So I left. Went to work with a University, was bullied by two people but was treated really well by many.
Bullying is always the sign of the weak.
But if you were born small and skinny, were given some brains and tried the best of what you were given, you’re a target.
I don’t necessarily agree though that fighting for 10 years is worth it to achieve 1 inch of ground. There are some people who do, but you have to love fighting for the sake of fighting for that to be worth it.
To me, there are better things in life to be doing than fighting for the sake of fighting. Like climbing mountains, ski-ing, writing, reading, all those things.
The key is to pick your fights.
And sometimes success is measured in making the opposition aware of their failings, even though they will retain power and command.
Because if your aim was to ensure more humane leadership, then you have succeeded in your aim…..
Richard (09:01:19) : Said
It’s nothing short of bone-chilling watching the UN and environmentalism slowly coalescing into an instrument for world wide socialism.
Unfortunately it is not even socialism, it is something much much worst. Feudalism with the Central Bankers (World Bank) as our Lords and Masters and we as serfs. Those they let live that is…
It is a totalitarianism run by megalomaniacs like Mugabee not aristocrats like Lord Monckton. As I noted in the earlier post this is a direct attack on the middle class, what there is left of it, and on democracy. The Lisbon treaty is the shape of the future. A world government run by the World Bank with people thinking they have “voting rights” and a say in their government. But those governments will just be dog and pony shows designed to reward the second tier megalomaniacs like Obama, Clinton and Gore and will have little real say in how the countries are run. This will last just long enough for those who remember democracy to die off and the UN trained “Global Citizens” to become the majority. I expect it to happen fairly soon because David Rockefeller is nearly 95 and no doubt wants to see his dream come true before he dies.
No mention of Lord Monckton on the BBC site.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8421652.stm
Copenhagen climate summit enters crucial stage
“Page last updated at 18:55 GMT, Friday, 18 December 2009”
Lord Monckton, did you take a good look at the “policeman” who assaulted you? Are you sure it wasn’t Dr. Ben Santer? The man has a reputation, you know.
I’ve only now discovered this great blog, and I’m amazed to find so many like-minded contributors. Think of the millions of people out there who are no doubt in the same position – disgusted by what’s happening in Copenhagen, and it’s associated garbage, but unaware that they don’t stand alone! Lord Monckton is out there in the thick of it, so there must be an even more effectual way for those of us who support him to give the “sheeple” a good nudge?
The cop who shoved Monckton from behind is nothing but a miserable cowardly bully who deserves to lose his badge and to be sued. There is no excuse for that type of behavior.
Lord Monckton, you are a true modern-day hero. We salute you, and hope you are OK after your ordeal. Keep up the good fight, but stay safe.
This is just another example of the coming NWO. The comments by ‘jackson’
show the mindset and worldveiw of the weak minded “entitlement class” (education nonwithstanding). The post-modernist veiw of science upholds propaganda for political ends over pure fact and continuing research. Keep pushing Lefties, you’ll get your revolution. It just won’t be the kind you want.